**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 06 02:59:56 2007 Oct 06 03:58:15 On my way to oedem now Oct 06 03:58:19 See you soon Oct 06 08:01:47 gm Oct 06 08:01:55 anyone at the office yet? Oct 06 08:04:02 good mornign all Oct 06 08:05:09 gm Oct 06 08:05:31 I assume you made it to the office? Oct 06 08:05:53 I have learned the Balzac is German for Starbucks :) Oct 06 08:07:36 'balzak' means scrotum in dutch Oct 06 08:08:35 hmm Oct 06 08:08:49 it means about the smae in english :) Oct 06 08:09:15 http://www.australiagift.com/scrotum_shop/scrotum.htm Oct 06 08:09:19 the german spelling would be ballsack Oct 06 08:10:09 ok Oct 06 08:10:18 what street is the office on? Oct 06 08:10:29 Crofton: hehe...$tarbucks in de.... Oct 06 08:11:18 Crofton: novalisstrasse Oct 06 08:12:02 Crofton: http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=q&hl=nl&geocode=&q=novalisstrasse,+berlin,+germany&sll=52.469397,5.509644&sspn=1.793696,5.526123&ie=UTF8&ll=52.528415,13.388686&spn=0.006997,0.021586&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1 Oct 06 08:14:31 ok Oct 06 08:14:54 the street names are long and confuse me :) Oct 06 08:15:17 If I am not there in half an hour, prepare the search party :) Oct 06 08:16:09 Crofton: Just remember, the Germans tend to take a sentence and turn it into a word instead :) Oct 06 08:16:18 yeah Oct 06 08:16:48 * hvontres|home is watching Caddyshack right now...:) Oct 06 08:20:19 alright, enough touring Berlin via satellite Oct 06 08:20:27 see you guys in a few minutes Oct 06 08:20:33 Crofton: okay Oct 06 08:22:20 hvontres|home: yeah long words ... I remember seeing a talk given to a mostly english speaking audience sometimes ago. All that was needed to induce hysterious laughter in the audience was putting up a slide with the single word "Telekommunikationsüberwachungsverordnung" and waiting 3 seconds. (When the laughter died the next slide was "Durchführungsrichtlinie zur Telekommunikationsüberwachungsverordnung") Oct 06 08:23:55 Henryk: heheh....nothing like Deutsche Gruendlichkeit when it comes to wiretapping :) Oct 06 08:25:09 ok, I'll get on my way now too. should take about 1hour to join you Oct 06 08:26:07 Y'all have a good meeting :) Oct 06 08:26:56 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r19b66854... 10/ (1 packages/gcc/gcc-cross_4.2.1.bb packages/gcc/gcc_4.2.1.bb): gcc 4.2.1: make maverick stuff ep93xx specific Oct 06 08:39:47 koen_: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/97004 Oct 06 09:48:51 morning Oct 06 09:52:35 zecke: http://rafb.net/p/wmvco032.html Oct 06 09:56:32 morning guys Oct 06 09:57:14 hey gilligan__ Oct 06 10:16:17 well, how should I fix this: http://rafb.net/p/XPslKv68.html ? Oct 06 10:16:36 must I use gcc 3.XX ? Oct 06 10:21:27 * Henryk requests a new feature: uboot with sound support. Standard song: http://world.std.com/~eshu/dbug/Jeopardy_Think_Music.mp3 Oct 06 10:24:07 niv_one_three: yes. qemu doesnt work with anything other than gcc 3 Oct 06 10:33:25 cool music for loading, however there will be patent issues :\ Oct 06 10:33:32 Henryk: I am new to OE, how may I solve this issue to get bitbake to produce a binary? Oct 06 10:33:53 *licensing Oct 06 10:34:26 may I not use qemu? should I use gcc-confing to switch to use gcc 3 ? Oct 06 10:41:27 niv_one_three: oh, hmm Oct 06 10:42:08 what? Oct 06 10:44:35 niv_one_three: interesting. the recipe doesn't pull in a suitable gcc. it's probably easiest to just install a gcc 3 in on builthost system Oct 06 10:44:57 your mentioning gcc-confing indicates gentoo? Oct 06 10:47:36 niv_one_three: read http://rafb.net/p/DwJizU77.html that is from http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/conf/local.conf.sample Oct 06 11:03:55 ~fish lrg Oct 06 11:03:55 * ibot slaps lrg around with a large trout Oct 06 11:05:24 zecke: http://rafb.net/p/qtSuc835.html Oct 06 11:11:44 yo XorA, koen Oct 06 11:12:38 lrg: hows life? Oct 06 11:13:26 XorA: busy as usual, fitting new blinds at home today before watching rugby. How's Berlin ? Oct 06 11:13:41 lrg: well it has tropical weather and beer so far Oct 06 11:13:57 freezing, only 65F Oct 06 11:13:59 although the others insist its cold, so maybe its only tropical for Edin Oct 06 11:14:36 XorA: We must be used to the cold ! Oct 06 11:15:39 XorA: btw, heard that Cobra is brewed with local water in Bangalore.... Oct 06 11:17:48 wait until global warming hits Oct 06 11:25:27 gm Oct 06 11:25:32 Henryk: sorry was on the phone Oct 06 11:25:42 Henryk: yes I do use a gentoo system Oct 06 11:27:02 niv_one_three: try emerge =gcc-3.4.6 Oct 06 11:29:17 wow , odd I was sure I had a gcc in the 3.X slot Oct 06 11:30:04 Henryk: does open embedded , i.e. bitbake supprt distcc ? Oct 06 11:30:26 niv_one_three: excellent question! Oct 06 11:30:38 hey lrg Oct 06 11:30:52 one vote for yes, one for no Oct 06 11:31:46 INHERIT += "icecc.bbclass" Oct 06 11:33:15 niv_one_three: there's a wiki page on this even. Oct 06 11:34:02 niv_one_three: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/IceCC Oct 06 11:34:37 http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream Oct 06 11:34:59 Maybe we should automate this a bit more (I think the shell script can be put into native staging?) Oct 06 11:40:50 hm, can anyone close my oe#3085 bug? after upgrading host system (opensuse 10.2->10.3) the bug is gone Oct 06 11:41:13 XorA: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/wpa.diff Oct 06 11:51:04 XorA: could you apply Oct 06 11:51:05 -SRCREV_pn-openmoko-today2 ?= "3056" Oct 06 11:51:06 +SRCREV_pn-openmoko-today2 ?= "3088" Oct 06 11:51:07 ? Oct 06 11:51:47 ~lart FOSS.IN... Oct 06 11:51:48 * ibot beats FOSS.IN... into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy Oct 06 11:53:58 zecke: going to Bangalore this year ? Oct 06 11:57:18 lrg: I want to, sitting on a talk proposal for OpenEmbedded Oct 06 11:57:37 lrg: but I registered and can't loging because I have a '"' in my pw... Oct 06 11:57:54 zecke: :-/ Oct 06 11:58:07 zecke: btw, I've also registered. Oct 06 11:58:24 lrg: now I need to write a python script to generate a talk proposal Oct 06 11:58:32 zecke: heh Oct 06 11:58:49 OpenEmbedded, Neo1973, QA, Qtopia... Oct 06 11:59:02 zecke: I'll be sure and bring my card to buy the beers :) Oct 06 12:00:05 morning Oct 06 12:00:12 hey Marcin Oct 06 12:00:23 * hrw also @oedem Oct 06 12:00:41 zecke: IISc is a good venue, and well organised Oct 06 12:01:14 hey marcin Oct 06 12:01:35 * zecke need to get one of these black Gnome T-Shirts with the big foot on it... Oct 06 12:02:27 koen: I'm going put a git tree of .dev, .oz354x and .dreambox on openembedded.org/~zecke. Any comments? Oct 06 12:02:54 when will you merge it? Oct 06 12:03:01 before or after fixing qmake? Oct 06 12:03:07 koen: after... Oct 06 12:03:18 koen: need to shuffle buzzwords now... Oct 06 12:03:39 * lrg -> house work Oct 06 12:28:01 so in order to have the hostap module ,so I can use my prism 2 card, may I go to the /tmp/oe/work/arm-oabi-angstrom-linux/linux-libc-headers-2.6.20-r7/linux-2.6.20/ Oct 06 12:28:25 and run make menuconfig and choose the module? Oct 06 12:28:46 steliosk, gm Oct 06 12:29:17 niv_one_three: linux-libc-headers are NOT kernel Oct 06 12:29:28 Crofton : berlincom.net :) welcome to this side of the pond Oct 06 12:29:37 thanks Oct 06 12:29:51 so you are coming tomorrow? Oct 06 12:29:52 hi steliosk Oct 06 12:30:05 Crofton : i'll arrive tomorrow around noon Oct 06 12:30:07 steliosk: what was the name of that avr32 company again? Oct 06 12:30:14 excellent Oct 06 12:31:04 hrw : Hi ! How was the honeymoon ? Oct 06 12:31:27 koen : Don't remember need to check emails Oct 06 12:38:40 hrw: ok , please explain how to get the modules so I can use my wifi card, pls Oct 06 12:39:26 steliosk: great Oct 06 12:40:00 niv_one_three: bitbake virtual/kernel -cconfigure; then change config to include extras, then build kernel Oct 06 12:44:31 steliosk, bring money, koen lost his wallet Oct 06 12:44:33 may I build just the kerenl ? how may I then add it to the jffs2 file provided to the simpad on the angstom reposotory? Oct 06 12:44:47 http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/im-an-idiot Oct 06 12:45:01 can I just mount the jffs2 and replace the kernel file? Oct 06 12:47:13 food Oct 06 12:59:18 03koen 07org.oe.dev * raf07f0d9... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): webkit-gtk: add unstage task till Holger fixes qmake Oct 06 12:59:23 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r6c5bc20f... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc): sane-srcrevs: bump some stuff Oct 06 13:08:44 I see that the flash size in the simpad.conf is 16MB, but I got 64mb Oct 06 13:09:11 is it common to put binaries in /home ? Oct 06 13:09:50 if so, I would need to mount the rest at /home the install the browser to that destination Oct 06 13:40:37 Crofotn: Lost it or you had too many beers last night ? :) Oct 06 13:40:46 Crofton: Lost it or you had too many beers last night ? :) Oct 06 13:50:21 steliosk: you have experience running madwifi-ng on powerpc targets? Oct 06 13:50:30 03svolpe 07org.oe.dev * raf1b3ccf... 10/ (1 packages/fpdf packages/fpdf/fpdf_1.53.bb): fpdf: r0 Initial release Oct 06 13:52:59 likewise : yes Oct 06 13:55:25 steliosk: just works? Oct 06 13:57:37 likewise : yes. it works fine (at least some older version ~6months i used) Oct 06 14:42:27 steliosk, he lost the wallet b4 we had beer Oct 06 14:42:41 koen, lost his wallet :) Oct 06 14:43:27 http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/im-an-idiot Oct 06 14:47:28 koen: oh no! At least it wasn't in SF. at least you'll get some free beers. (-; Oct 06 14:48:03 :) Oct 06 14:59:37 koen: And passport too? Look on the bright side -- if you lived in the US, you'd be unable to return home! Oct 06 14:59:52 yeah Oct 06 15:00:14 now I just need to waste a few days on getting a new passport and drivers license Oct 06 15:00:30 since you need a passport to get a drivers license and vice versa Oct 06 15:01:13 ;) Oct 06 15:01:40 I will have to make new ID soon but it is due to other stuff Oct 06 15:02:24 reminder to all: new passports now Oct 06 15:02:32 * mwester knows a place some miles away that will make a new ID for someone very quickly. Although they only take cash... ;) Oct 06 15:03:26 * XorA needs a driving license Oct 06 15:21:22 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r75c08e4b... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/openmoko-appmanager2_svn.bb): openmoko-appmanager2: add it Oct 06 15:21:29 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4b4c632d... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc): sane-srcrevs: add openmoko-appmanager2 Oct 06 15:28:05 * * OE Bug 3126 has been created by autobuild(AT)openembedded.org Oct 06 15:28:07 * * llvm-gcc4-cross-2.0+svnr374-r0-do_compile Oct 06 15:28:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3126 Oct 06 15:46:08 koen: can you install git-core on ltg please ;) Oct 06 15:46:54 zecke: done Oct 06 15:47:50 koen++ Oct 06 15:54:51 koen: I will finally look into qmake Oct 06 15:54:57 zecke: yay! Oct 06 15:55:24 qmake is quite nice Oct 06 15:55:56 gilligan__: yeah, some how we have -rpath,.../i686/staging in it though :) Oct 06 15:56:25 x_X Oct 06 16:11:13 koen: I have to build some stuff now :} Oct 06 16:13:22 vivijim: I didn't know a planet indt exists... Oct 06 16:13:52 zecke: It is new Oct 06 16:26:26 a basic question about oe.. "DEPENDS +=" "DEPENDS=" are the same right? Oct 06 16:26:44 no Oct 06 16:27:01 stop being elitist Oct 06 16:27:16 one is append the other is assignment Oct 06 16:27:41 koen is also direclty to my right :) Oct 06 16:27:48 not directly Oct 06 16:27:54 that's xora, you twit Oct 06 16:27:54 there is XorA between ;D Oct 06 16:27:55 * XorA starts to get worried he is in combat zone Oct 06 16:28:09 both of them are bigger than me Oct 06 16:28:28 yeah, but if i get problems regarding dependencies and if they are installed, what are the chances the differences come into picture? Oct 06 16:29:09 if you use one where you mean the other bad things would happen Oct 06 16:29:26 Sup3rkiddo: quite big. if you only want to append and don't care what already is there, then you shouldn't use assign Oct 06 16:29:52 * koen hints that DEPENDS is buildtime, not runtime Oct 06 16:30:01 koen, ack Oct 06 16:30:26 Henryk, ah....right, so i take it that its always safe to use append? Oct 06 16:30:39 Sup3rkiddo: most often, yeah Oct 06 16:31:09 thank you..that would be all till now Oct 06 16:32:11 Crofotn, koen : What's the schedule for tomorrow ? Is there a morning meeting ? Oct 06 16:32:23 ~seen cbrake Oct 06 16:32:25 cbrake was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 21h 16m 12s ago, saying: 'prpplague: yeah, I see your point'. Oct 06 16:32:28 dunno Oct 06 16:32:33 we are still tapping away Oct 06 16:32:42 maybe i missed something, but are you guys in some conference or something? Oct 06 16:33:04 ;))) Oct 06 16:33:08 :) Oct 06 16:33:12 Sup3rkiddo: http://openembedded.org/oedem2007 Oct 06 16:33:19 Sup3rkiddo: everyone in the room is laughing. that would mean: yes Oct 06 16:33:23 i think they are about to finish with the conference and start the "something".... Oct 06 16:33:23 it really funny using irc when we are all on one room Oct 06 16:33:31 hehe Oct 06 16:33:37 we only just had lunch Oct 06 16:33:39 yeah..weird as well, thats why i asked Oct 06 16:33:49 much better =D Oct 06 16:33:49 live from Berlin Oct 06 16:33:59 the OEDEM comedy group Oct 06 16:35:03 is there beer flowing around? Oct 06 16:35:12 not yet Oct 06 16:35:12 Sup3rkiddo: not yet Oct 06 16:35:22 amen =D Oct 06 16:35:42 koen, I noticed your email post about waiting permission to add avr32 to dev.. who do you need to get permission from? Oct 06 16:36:02 me Oct 06 16:37:12 svolpe: preferrably the guy with the massive cheque Oct 06 16:38:19 steliosk, today we met at the office at 10 Oct 06 16:39:22 oh, ok. just curious.. I was not sure if it was a legal (permissions issue) or a oe issue. Oct 06 16:41:30 svolpe: iirc not one of them Oct 06 16:42:33 Crofton : ok. i have Zecke's phone so i can bug him when i arrive :) Oct 06 16:42:47 ok Oct 06 16:42:59 there is a gate and you need to puch the gmit button to get in Oct 06 16:43:01 steliosk: oh, I need to search it then :) Oct 06 16:43:20 http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/678753/iBeat_blaxx_The_Terribly_Named_MP3_Player.html Oct 06 16:43:51 zecke : FYI my flight is at 6:30 in the morning, i'll give you a call then if you like :) Oct 06 16:44:04 nooooo! Oct 06 16:44:10 I sleep next to zecke's phone Oct 06 16:44:15 steliosk: I will put the phone under koen's pillow Oct 06 16:44:16 what time do you arrive? Oct 06 16:44:27 :) Oct 06 16:44:40 10:10 at Tegel Oct 06 16:45:01 ok, so you should be here by 10:30 or so Oct 06 16:45:27 take TXL128 bis to Oct 06 16:45:38 until Kurt-Schumacher-Platz Oct 06 16:45:40 Well its 30 minutes from the airport to the hotel Oct 06 16:45:50 yeah and then the tram Oct 06 16:45:50 and then drive with the U6 to the Zinnowitzer-Strasse Oct 06 16:46:59 i think i'll check in at the hotel first and then cove over. Give you a few more minutes to sleep :) Oct 06 16:47:10 heh Oct 06 16:47:21 who needs sleep when you have IRN BRU Oct 06 16:47:34 which hotel? Oct 06 16:48:27 Markischer Hof its on Linienstrase 133 Oct 06 16:48:40 it look like 500-600 meters from the office Oct 06 16:48:41 steliosk: then get off at Oranienburger-Tor Oct 06 16:49:27 zecke : yes. I got the trip details yesterday, thanks to Laibsch Oct 06 16:50:32 Time to go. Have fun tonight :) Oct 06 16:50:39 yay Oct 06 16:50:42 have fun stelios Oct 06 16:50:44 see you tomorrow Oct 06 16:51:20 good morning berlin! Oct 06 16:52:00 gm Oct 06 16:52:01 hey sakoman Oct 06 16:52:18 koen, has photo'ed us with the old school camera :) Oct 06 16:52:35 A fine piece of equipment isn't it? Oct 06 16:54:45 I am amused by the lense so you can see if you set the focus properly Oct 06 16:55:38 Almost as much fun as a view camera Oct 06 16:57:41 I'm a happy camper today because I'm no longer fighting image size issues! Oct 06 16:57:57 btw, you need packaged staging :) Oct 06 16:58:31 if you say so! Oct 06 16:58:42 not that I know what it is :-) Oct 06 16:59:04 basically, instead of installing stuff to staging, you package stuff, Oct 06 16:59:14 then install packages into staging Oct 06 16:59:39 then add the though of controlling what gets installed into staging on a per image baisis Oct 06 16:59:56 yeah, sounds like a very good thing Oct 06 17:00:04 when will it be done?:-) Oct 06 17:01:24 we have only been talking about it for two years Oct 06 17:02:07 heh Oct 06 17:02:20 we are getting more motivated Oct 06 17:02:31 the number of voices crying for it constantly increases Oct 06 17:04:38 add mine to the chorus Oct 06 17:04:45 heh Oct 06 17:05:07 I am working on getting the display running for the gumstix Oct 06 17:05:47 Cool! I think scruggs has one working with his gumstix now Oct 06 17:05:56 these 15 minute serial downloads are killer Oct 06 17:06:04 yeah Oct 06 17:06:08 it is not too hard Oct 06 17:06:20 x11 image is o big for flash Oct 06 17:06:24 Helps to have ADD, then you can bounce off to other things Oct 06 17:06:32 heh Oct 06 17:07:14 so far I have had Mexican and Itallian food Oct 06 17:07:16 I go work in the garden while it downloads Oct 06 17:07:33 Hey come on, force those guys to take you for German food Oct 06 17:08:00 yuck sourkraut Oct 06 17:08:16 they have some sour kraut juice in the fridge Oct 06 17:08:17 sauerkraut-juice is in the fridge Oct 06 17:08:23 lol Oct 06 17:08:29 everyone cackles Oct 06 17:08:30 ;) Oct 06 17:08:38 I took my wife to germany once. she doesn't eat red meat, so she found it hard at the german restaurants. Oct 06 17:08:46 ADD + bru == bad news Oct 06 17:08:52 :D Oct 06 17:08:59 They put veal gravy on her fish orders :-) Oct 06 17:09:49 But we had a great time nonetheless. The train workers weren't on strike :-) Oct 06 17:09:51 it can be hard to have food issues in foreighn parts Oct 06 17:10:08 and you did not lose your wallet and passport Oct 06 17:10:21 Never have that problem -- I eat anything. Stranger the better. Good fun in Asia! Oct 06 17:10:26 yes, I know, I am an idiot Oct 06 17:10:30 a friend of mine avoids sulfites like the plague Oct 06 17:10:47 sakoman: stranger the better? Oct 06 17:10:51 koen: well, admitting the problem is the first strp to the solution :) Oct 06 17:10:55 yup! Oct 06 17:11:14 this reminds me off the bottle of lizard wine Oct 06 17:11:33 Crofton: YUM!!! Oct 06 17:11:35 Only thing I had trouble with was a Japanese dish that involved burial of raw fish & beans in a crock Oct 06 17:11:58 Very slimy & stringy -- not to mention the smell Oct 06 17:12:13 sounds like you should be on Survivor Oct 06 17:12:15 sakoman: heh...nothing quite like rotten food to get your palette going :) Oct 06 17:12:17 sakoman: Then you should like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QNGPmuqa6s Oct 06 17:12:23 hvontres|home: kimchi? Oct 06 17:12:44 Stinky tofu Oct 06 17:12:51 koen: hehe...aisian Sauerkraut... Oct 06 17:13:17 mmm . . . tasty Oct 06 17:13:24 apparently we need a projector for this Oct 06 17:13:25 * hvontres|home preferes the red cabbage version of Kraut btw Oct 06 17:13:35 several copies of the video are playing now Oct 06 17:14:01 I wonder if Harald eats weird food Oct 06 17:14:46 Made me hungry -- my wife and I are heading out to an apple and wine festival near Mt Lassen now Oct 06 17:15:02 you are always going to wine festicals Oct 06 17:15:05 Don't think the food will be nearly that interesting! Oct 06 17:15:16 have a good time! Oct 06 17:15:18 It's that time of year in California! Oct 06 17:15:31 OK, have fun in Berlin! Oct 06 17:15:40 great place! Oct 06 17:26:20 alphaone: hm that old stinky tofu sauce made me hungry! Oct 06 17:26:38 hi Oct 06 17:26:40 dcordes: go to Miss Wu then Oct 06 17:26:43 hi chouimat Oct 06 17:26:45 dcordes: Well bon appetite Oct 06 17:27:05 the entire openmoko team is going to Miss Wu Oct 06 17:27:14 dcordes: order some stinky tofu with your Neo Oct 06 17:27:21 * chouimat goes to his kitchen ... Oct 06 17:27:44 morning all Oct 06 17:27:52 How's things in Berlin? Oct 06 17:28:05 slow Oct 06 17:28:06 Funny Oct 06 17:28:15 ah you guys at OEDEM? Oct 06 17:28:16 koen has no money Oct 06 17:28:21 yes Oct 06 17:28:27 no Oct 06 17:28:28 hey RP Oct 06 17:28:46 I still have the €15 I stole from Crofton Oct 06 17:28:49 koen: Lost or stolen? Oct 06 17:28:59 lost Oct 06 17:29:04 :( Oct 06 17:29:28 RP: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/im-an-idiot Oct 06 17:29:41 I do still have the return trainticket, though Oct 06 17:30:52 koen: Thats something Oct 06 17:31:19 koen: atleast you do not need to have ID due to lack of frontiers between .de and .nl Oct 06 17:31:33 right Oct 06 17:31:43 .de <> .pl req ID still Oct 06 17:31:48 * koen will visit the german police on monday Oct 06 17:32:00 otherwise we were going to wrap him in duct tape and drop him off the the American Embassy :) Oct 06 17:32:03 koen: to get arrested and deported? :D Oct 06 17:32:15 gitmo ho Oct 06 17:32:27 hrw: pl isn't yet in schengen? Oct 06 17:32:41 duct tape. a red wire and hrw's photo Oct 06 17:32:43 Bernardo: not yet - iirc it will be starting 01.01.2008 Oct 06 17:32:46 XorA: ;D Oct 06 17:32:50 Trying to get into the UK without a passport would be "fun"... Oct 06 17:33:14 hrw: you'll love it. All romanian beggars will be able to enter pl at will... :) Oct 06 17:33:20 RP: thats easy, claim assylum to first member of immigration staff you see Oct 06 17:33:53 XorA: true ;-) Oct 06 17:34:20 hehe sound like Canada Oct 06 17:34:51 XorA: Any tips to get from the airport to the hotel? Oct 06 17:35:09 RP: ask crofton, vivijim paid for a taxi for us Oct 06 17:35:19 txl128 bus Oct 06 17:35:56 to kirk schumacher stop Oct 06 17:36:00 thanks Oct 06 17:36:04 kurt Oct 06 17:37:13 Kurt sounds a bit more German, thanks :) Oct 06 17:37:46 awww.... and here I thought the German Star Trek fans had taken over :) Oct 06 17:42:44 Bernardo: Germany is nicer place for them ;D Oct 06 17:44:40 pt - after all, the ocean stops them here Oct 06 17:44:59 either they swim, turn back, or stay. Oct 06 17:45:59 RP: which airport do you arrive? Oct 06 17:53:29 zecke: TXL, whichever that one is... Oct 06 17:53:38 tegel? Oct 06 17:53:49 yes Oct 06 17:55:50 This looks like the same one I arrived at last year... Oct 06 17:56:26 ah, no, it was schoenefeld last year... Oct 06 17:56:38 RP: this is why I asked Oct 06 18:03:17 MACHINE_FEATURE = "mmc" will need MACHINE_KERNEL_MODULE_MMC = "pxamci/s3c_mci/spi_mmc/etc" - right? Oct 06 18:05:17 right Oct 06 18:05:44 and MACHINE_KERNEL_MODULE_MMC ?= "" in task-base or a -z MACHINE_KERNEL_MODULE_MMC Oct 06 18:07:50 MACHINE_ namespace need more use Oct 06 18:09:48 and s/spi_mmc/mmc_spi/ Oct 06 18:10:10 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r64afa98f... 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): llvm: commit WIP hacks to keep holger busy Oct 06 18:14:27 I have broadcom 4306 in laptop now and want to replace it with Intel wifi card (minipci). Which one would you suggest? 2200bg? 3945 or other? Oct 06 18:15:11 3945 works fine, here Oct 06 18:24:13 but look like 3945 are harder to get Oct 06 18:25:20 * mwester has a bunch of 2200bg's that work just fine... Oct 06 18:25:41 * mwester found them quite cheaply on eBay - 10USD each Oct 06 18:42:07 cbrake: Hi Cliff Oct 06 18:42:09 hrw: I have used the 2200 and 3945 -- both seem to work fine Oct 06 18:42:15 hrw: Hi Marcin Oct 06 18:42:29 hrw: checking if Ubuntu uses a binary driver for the 3945 ... Oct 06 18:44:31 hmm, Ubuntu claims the 3945 is using a restricted driver -- wonder if that is just firmware Oct 06 18:45:02 The firmware is the only thing that's been questionable for redistribution, but Fedora (at least) redistributes it now. Dunno about Debian, they seem pretty elitist about licensing. Oct 06 18:47:53 the problem with the 3945 is that it (currently) needs a proprietory regulatory daemon on the host cpu Oct 06 18:48:05 I think that is fixed Oct 06 18:48:14 iwlwifi driver? Oct 06 18:48:16 there is an upcoming driver for the new 802.11 code that doesn't need the daemon anymore Oct 06 18:48:36 I have a 3945 on mine and I think the proprietary daemon would stop Fedora from distributing it Oct 06 18:57:01 iwl3945 166313 0 Oct 06 18:58:32 interesting. last time i checked i couldn't get iwl to work. might have to do with the fact that i only have wpa and wep networks Oct 06 19:15:03 does Uli Luckas hang out on IRC at all? Oct 06 19:16:06 hvontres|home: sometimes Oct 06 19:16:12 hvontres|home: he will be at OEDEM on tuesday Oct 06 19:17:12 zecke: cool. do you know his nick? It looks like his kexec patch works pretty well. We just need to figure out how to locate the Oct 06 19:17:21 Atags automatically Oct 06 19:18:02 hvontres|home: well, he is currently not available. 2/2 jabber accounts don't lead to a reply. I want to have a beer with him tonight... Oct 06 19:18:17 zecke says this is disgusting: http://rafb.net/p/egVNTm26.html Oct 06 19:18:48 koen: why? Oct 06 19:20:16 I like that part about award winning Oct 06 19:20:23 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r452dd174... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-boot.bb): task-boot: include keymaps for devices with keyboard (taken from Poky) Oct 06 19:20:31 03xora 07org.oe.dev * rac39391b... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf): distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf : update to udev 115 for speed and fun Oct 06 19:20:38 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r2cffc57d... 10/ (1 packages/hal/hal_0.5.9.bb): hal: enable pci when available Oct 06 19:20:50 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * r439e88db... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): rename compulab-pxa270 machine to cm-x270 Oct 06 19:23:59 cbrake: thx Oct 06 19:38:32 does anyone have any autobuilder scripts they would be willing to share? I now have a lot more disk space on my workstation, and a server with some spare cycles, and would like to put them to use ... Oct 06 19:38:54 cbrake: sure, give me some time though Oct 06 19:39:02 zecke: ok, thanks Oct 06 19:40:26 zecke: http://rafb.net/p/kQhaNT62.html Oct 06 19:41:05 * * OE Bug 3127 has been created by autobuild(AT)openembedded.org Oct 06 19:41:05 cbrake: http://rafb.net/p/Pe0UQ519.html Oct 06 19:41:06 * * ecore-0.9.9.041+cvs20070819-r5-do_compile Oct 06 19:41:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3127 Oct 06 19:42:18 * koen says "food" Oct 06 19:43:35 koen: interesting, so all those builds can happen in the same tmp directory with no one getting hurt Oct 06 19:44:11 cbrake: right Oct 06 19:44:13 koen: multimachine must be working pretty well :-) Oct 06 19:44:23 very well Oct 06 19:44:35 * koen doesn't understand where all the multimachine FUD stems from Oct 06 19:44:43 koen: the manual -- it needs updated Oct 06 19:44:52 cbrake: the only thing that doesn't work yet is mixing eglibc and glibc builds Oct 06 19:45:21 * cbrake checks out the manual ... Oct 06 19:46:54 well, if you use angstrom multimachine and uclibc + glibc works Oct 06 19:46:54 * Crofton says beer Oct 06 19:47:04 other distros are problably broken Oct 06 19:47:10 beer and food? Oct 06 19:47:33 enough computing for today - I am not used to XGA resolution - its so lores.... Oct 06 19:49:40 bye Oct 06 20:51:50 mmmh.. *mumble* .. is there any package that uses inherit pkconfig but does not use autotools? Oct 06 20:53:10 I use pkgconfig but hate autotools in my own projects Oct 06 20:54:09 roh grep Oct 06 20:54:12 hu btw. Oct 06 20:54:15 aeh hi Oct 06 20:55:01 woglinde well.. grep says to many arguments ;) Oct 06 20:55:53 roh combine grep and file at your will Oct 06 20:56:01 ars find Oct 06 20:56:03 sorry Oct 06 20:56:18 I should eat something more Oct 06 20:59:47 roh: I use "find openembedded/packages -name '*.bb' -print | xargs grep " Oct 06 21:00:52 well.. i'm just searching why the makefile does not get pkgconfig executed as planned Oct 06 21:03:12 roh hm which package? Oct 06 21:05:32 not in oe .. (not yet released software to be fair) Oct 06 21:07:08 hm Oct 06 21:07:23 could you pastebin the .bb? Oct 06 21:08:35 morning Oct 06 21:09:00 woglinde not just now.. need to postpone that till i'm awake again Oct 06 21:09:05 hi rwhitby Oct 06 21:09:19 roh hehe Oct 06 21:09:41 *sigh* I heard nothing from oedem Oct 06 21:11:52 is the OE automerger working? Oct 06 21:11:59 roh, are you having pkgconfig try and use host rather than target libs? Oct 06 21:34:40 hi rwhitby. Oct 06 21:35:04 hey Oct 06 21:37:25 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * r66f82280... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): compulab-px270 kernel: set compatible machine to cm-x270 (machine name change) Oct 06 21:45:12 zecke|food: After the txl128, I need to use the U6 line? Oct 06 21:50:53 rp yes Oct 06 21:51:36 rp to station oranienburger tor Oct 06 21:51:40 HopsNBarley, rwhitby: hi Oct 06 21:51:53 hi likewise. Oct 06 21:51:53 rp where are you now? Oct 06 21:52:26 woglinde: Still in the UK. Just wondering what I need to do once over there :) Oct 06 21:52:39 woglinde: Looking at maps etc ;-) Oct 06 21:52:53 rp you can use www.fahrinfo-berlin.de Oct 06 21:55:11 woglinde: thanks :) Oct 06 21:55:33 rp no prob I use all the time Oct 06 21:56:00 +it Oct 06 21:59:20 * woglinde looks wcg2007 live tv Oct 06 21:59:25 watch Oct 06 22:02:35 woglinde: heh...noting like a bunch of gamers getting together to blow stuff up :) Oct 06 22:05:07 woglinde: but no Halo III division????? Oct 06 22:05:21 hvontres dont aks me Oct 06 22:05:42 I would like to see some need for speed machtes Oct 06 22:05:50 but they arent on live tv Oct 06 22:06:06 seems the live stream broke up Oct 06 22:07:41 re Oct 06 22:07:47 he likeiwse Oct 06 22:12:32 he woglinde Oct 06 22:12:53 re honvtres Oct 06 22:21:04 hi gilligan Oct 06 22:48:33 he crofton Oct 06 22:48:38 hi Oct 06 22:49:41 hehhe..... Top Gear sure is funny :) Oct 06 22:50:03 Brits and Cars... Oct 06 22:58:59 hi Crofton Oct 06 22:59:08 hi RP Oct 06 22:59:33 you arrive 1930 tomorrow? Oct 06 23:01:44 Crofton: yes Oct 06 23:08:01 * RP -> sleep Oct 06 23:08:17 yeah Oct 06 23:08:18 me too Oct 06 23:11:51 gn Oct 06 23:12:13 uploading a couple of photos to flickr first Oct 06 23:14:00 http://www.flickr.com/photos/32615155@N00/ Oct 06 23:20:14 Crofton: thanks. I see there was no room for me anyway :-) Oct 06 23:21:45 ~seen mwester Oct 06 23:21:47 mwester is currently on #oe (1d 4h 12m 35s) #openmoko (1d 4h 12m 35s) #nslu2-linux (1d 4h 12m 35s) #openslug (1d 4h 12m 35s). Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 2h 12m 12s, last said: 'abraxa_ knows about this, I think.'. Oct 06 23:22:11 mwester: ping Oct 06 23:37:43 hvontres1home: pong! Oct 06 23:39:12 mwester: I was looking at your sysfs hack for changing the cmdline and was wondering how you figure out where the ATAG list is stored. I would like to add that to Uli's kexec patch to make it more universal. Oct 06 23:41:53 The sysfs portion operates on a buffer that contains a copy of the ATAG list; that buffer is just a static data area. Oct 06 23:42:26 mwester: but how does it figure out where the original is stored? Oct 06 23:42:46 The standard kernel does not keep the ATAG list. You need the other patch that goes with the sysfs patch for that. Oct 06 23:44:08 There are two problems that need to be solved: A) we need a means to preserve the existing ATAGs, if any, and to write them into place when the new kernel is booted via kexec. B) we need a means to edit or create those ATAGs. Oct 06 23:44:22 mwester: ahh, Ok. I'll take a look at that one. Uli's patch currently hardcodes the address to the ATAG list, which doesn't work to well on poodles Oct 06 23:44:38 The solution to problem A is done, and has been submitted upstream as a patch to L-A-K Oct 06 23:45:41 The part that isn't done is to do a better solution (such as Uli's solution) to the problem of editing or creating that ATAG list in that preserved buffer. It's not a hard problem, it's just that nobody has done it yet. :) Oct 06 23:47:31 mwester: I have been testing Uli's patch for kexec today and it seems to work pretty well. I was able to use it against 2.6.17,2.6.21 and 2.6.22 with your patch applied. The only thing that is needs now is a way to detect the memory location for the start of the ATAG list. Oct 06 23:51:41 For now I have it hardcoded to 0xa0000200 to deal with the SHARP bootlader, while Uli had it at 0xa0000100. I'll try to get a hold of him tomorrow. I think he's supposed to be at OEDEM Oct 06 23:54:25 mwester: Thanks for the pointers. I'll go back to digging for Irrigation in the back yard for now :) Oct 06 23:58:04 * * OE Bug 3128 has been created by likewise(AT)gmx.net Oct 06 23:58:06 * * tremor ogg decoder in mpd? Oct 06 23:58:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3128 Oct 07 00:26:50 03likewise 07org.oe.dev * r603b2d0c... 10/ (1 packages/musicpd/mpd-alsa_svn.bb): mpd: Added mpd-alsa from SVN. Builds, but needs configuration love. Oct 07 00:26:56 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r4ad99848... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Oct 07 00:26:56 gpsd: Cleanup startup script. Oct 07 00:26:56 * gpsd configuration is done via mandatory /etc/defaults/gpsd, remove Oct 07 00:26:56 confusing defaults from init script. Oct 07 00:26:56 * Make error reporting more helpful. Oct 07 00:26:58 * Based on complaints by forum users. Oct 07 00:27:02 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r2ea50215... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-handhelds-2.6_2.6.21-hh17.bb): (log message trimmed) Oct 07 00:27:05 linux-handhelds-2.6: Add 2.6.21-hh17. Oct 07 00:27:07 * Changes since -hh16 are: Oct 07 00:27:09 1. PXA GPIO API merges from mainline git. Oct 07 00:27:11 2. h5000: IrDA support, samcop suspend/resume fixes. Oct 07 00:27:13 3. htcmagician: Conversion to leds-gpio, leds-magician removed. Oct 07 00:27:15 4. htchermes: Elaborated support. Oct 07 00:27:19 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r95751594... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom-2007.1.conf: Use linux-handhelds-2.6_2.6.21-hh16. Oct 07 00:27:22 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r2ba712b4... 10/ (1 conf/machine/h1910.conf): h1910.conf: Remove PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-handhelds-2.6. Oct 07 00:36:47 I personally have weird issue with mtn on current mtn pull: Oct 07 00:36:47 terminate called after throwing an instance of 'informative_failure' Oct 07 00:36:48 what(): error: wanted 1 rows got 0 in query: SELECT data FROM revisions WHERE id = ? Oct 07 00:36:48 mtn: fatal signal: Aborted Oct 07 00:36:48 this is almost certainly a bug in monotone. Oct 07 00:36:52 hope it's just me... Oct 07 00:39:39 psokolovsky: works fine here **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 07 02:59:57 2007