**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 07 02:59:57 2007 Oct 07 04:22:41 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rb593c691... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-slugos.bb): task-slugos: Add ehci-hcd to the rootfs Oct 07 04:22:46 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * raac972a1... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): slugos-init: Load ehci-hcd on boot Oct 07 04:32:10 I may have asked this once before, but not sure if I got a difinative answer. Is there an argument to be passed to bitbake to get it to selectively not build certain sub-packages? Oct 07 05:00:32 I've been optimizing the OE recipe for callweaver (formerly OpenPBX) for a while and it now seems in order. It's building from the SVN 1.2 release candidate branch. Is it worth submitting such a recipe or should fix it to a known stable changeset and/or wait for the 1.2 callweaver release? Oct 07 05:00:49 which should be coming relatively soon... Oct 07 05:01:51 * rwhitby suggests srcrev Oct 07 05:02:16 since you're likely to want to bump it to get new svn revs in the future. Oct 07 05:03:30 * mwester intensely dislikes floating versions, as they ensure that no two people will ever build the same thing, nor will any one person ever build the same thing twice. (That's somebody's maxim, I think) Oct 07 05:04:20 mwester: I agree, and srcrev now gets around that, since the version is fixed and recorded in the built package Oct 07 05:04:49 (with the proviso that srcrev is always fixed and never left floating) Oct 07 05:06:10 I take it sane-srcrevs.inc is a file detailing the use of the SRCREVS variable. Can't find that file... or is it a doc on the site somewhere...? Oct 07 05:06:15 * hillct keeps looking Oct 07 05:06:29 conf/distro/include Oct 07 05:10:05 hmm Oct 07 05:10:08 releases/slugos-3.10-beta/openembedded/conf/distro Oct 07 05:10:21 no include directory? Oct 07 05:10:50 does that make sense in this context? should I just add the include directory and file? Oct 07 05:10:57 or am I in the wrong place Oct 07 05:11:45 I suppose I should be working with trunk not the release anyway, but still... Oct 07 05:12:26 er, yes, you should be working on the development latest versions. Oct 07 05:15:23 well, in my case, I'm keeping this package up to date for my prodution enviroment Oct 07 05:15:42 slugos 3.10-beta Oct 07 05:16:11 I guess I could move it to dev, but that's a bit of a risk since it's running my phone system Oct 07 05:19:18 maybe I just need to invest in more hardware to play with... Oct 07 06:40:04 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r23aeaf63... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): nfs-utils: Removed duplicated chunks in uclibc patch Oct 07 07:30:03 tic from staging won't run on a mising symbol whilie building rxvt Oct 07 07:35:53 Crofton: LD_LIBRARY_PATH perhaps does not include the native staging area? Oct 07 07:36:18 hmm, still should be transparent Oct 07 07:49:10 good morning all Oct 07 07:54:34 hey Oct 07 07:55:54 morning Oct 07 07:56:29 Crofton: looks like problem which we had in ncurses Oct 07 08:00:53 Crofton: Poky had a fix for the OE bugtracker for that recently Oct 07 08:00:58 morning all Oct 07 08:03:13 hey RP Oct 07 08:07:48 *a fix from the*... Oct 07 08:08:30 I should really pack I guess :) Oct 07 08:10:51 RP: what time does your plane leave? Oct 07 08:11:42 gm Oct 07 08:11:55 I assume you guys are in the office? Oct 07 08:12:52 Crofton: yes Oct 07 08:13:05 be there in a few minutes Oct 07 08:13:11 do you have breakfats ready ? Oct 07 08:13:23 Crofton: I can offer you bread Oct 07 08:13:24 er fruhstuk? Oct 07 08:13:30 that would be great! Oct 07 08:13:37 bye Oct 07 08:13:38 sure, you have to fix it yourself though Oct 07 08:13:42 :) Oct 07 08:26:00 Have a good time at OEDEM :) Oct 07 08:26:06 * hvontres|home is going to bed now Oct 07 08:43:04 * * OE Bug 3129 has been created by autobuild(AT)openembedded.org Oct 07 08:43:06 * * gcc-cross-initial-4.1.1-r14-do_patch Oct 07 08:43:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3129 Oct 07 08:44:05 * * OE Bug 3129 has been RESOLVED (INVALID) by Oct 07 08:44:07 * *  gcc-cross-initial-4.1.1-r14-do_patch Oct 07 08:44:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3129 Oct 07 08:48:59 koen: do a icu-config --cflags and --ldflags ;) Oct 07 08:49:39 koen: -isystem/home/zecke/openembedded/build/angstrom-glibc/tmp/staging/i686-linux/include -Os Oct 07 08:52:03 morning Oct 07 09:07:36 hi XorA Oct 07 09:13:04 * * OE Bug 2807 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by philip(AT)balister.org Oct 07 09:13:06 * *  rxvt-unicode fail compile terminfo Oct 07 09:13:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2807 Oct 07 09:26:23 git-clone http://www.openembedded.org/~zecke/git/oe/openembedded.dev/.git Oct 07 09:29:08 oh,nice Oct 07 09:29:12 morning zecke Oct 07 09:34:10 03crofton 07org.oe.dev * re2c1b9db... 10/ (1 packages/rxvt-unicode/rxvt-unicode_7.9.bb): rxvt-unicode_7.9.bb : Fix LD_LIBRARY_PATH so tic finds a library. From bug #2807. Oct 07 09:56:23 Crofton: We should probably set LD_LIBRARY_PATH in bitbake.conf... Oct 07 09:57:57 hurry up and get here see we can talk about it :) Oct 07 09:59:44 Crofton: Whats the weather like accross there? Oct 07 10:01:08 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r20d0fba0... 10/ (1 conf/machine/include/zaurus-2.6.inc): machine/include/zaurus-2.6.inc : virtual/xserver = xserver-kdrive Oct 07 10:01:13 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r42116cab... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): xserver-kdrive 1.3: add patch to get the gumstix lcd working Oct 07 10:01:19 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rcaed22d9... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): kdrive: move patch to proper place Oct 07 10:01:38 partly cloudy Oct 07 10:01:41 warm/cold Oct 07 10:01:47 depending on who you talk to Oct 07 10:01:48 :) Oct 07 10:01:55 I would say cool Oct 07 10:02:02 but it is 80F at home :) Oct 07 10:02:33 hm Oct 07 10:02:43 Crofton: not wet though? Oct 07 10:02:46 XorA, koen: Oct 07 10:02:52 mtn: updating along branch 'org.openembedded.dev' Oct 07 10:02:53 mtn: multiple update candidates: Oct 07 10:02:54 mtn: 2cede492dcacf2a0da5e0cdd419d41a41086b31d xora@openembedded.org 2007-10-07T09:53:09 Oct 07 10:02:57 mtn: caed22d9772a0d7a62f8adfe699c9a254859aae1 koen@openembedded.org 2007-10-07T09:59:21 Oct 07 10:03:01 pulled right now Oct 07 10:03:23 Darth_Wader: learn mtn Oct 07 10:03:36 hm? Oct 07 10:03:43 not wet Oct 07 10:03:44 type mtn merge Oct 07 10:03:57 ok Oct 07 10:04:00 no one thinks it is going to rain Oct 07 10:04:18 Crofton: ok, thanks :) Oct 07 10:04:28 Its horrible here :/ Oct 07 10:04:33 heh Oct 07 10:04:42 it is not horrible here Oct 07 10:05:30 no rain in forecast Oct 07 10:06:00 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * ra55621f0... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-handhelds-2.6.inc): linux-handhelds-2.6: Add htcsable to COMPATIBLE_MACHINES. Oct 07 10:09:59 Crofton: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/base/pcmciautils_014-r1_armv5te.ipk http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/base/libsysfs2_2.0.0-r1_armv5te.ipk Oct 07 10:13:23 http://www.sakoman.net/oe/org.sakoman.dev/conf/machine/sakoman-gumstix-custom.conf Oct 07 10:15:03 ok, see some of you later :) Oct 07 10:16:22 cu RP Oct 07 10:16:27 RP: have a good flight Oct 07 10:17:06 gm (Guten Mittag) Oct 07 10:17:36 morning likewise Oct 07 10:19:13 morning hrw Oct 07 10:25:32 gm Oct 07 10:32:04 and stelios has entered the building Oct 07 10:32:14 applause Oct 07 10:32:52 so we got Acer laptop on desk Oct 07 10:33:18 year ago there were Thinkpads, Macs or none Oct 07 10:33:52 this year it is widened - thinkpads, macs, dells, hp, acer Oct 07 10:38:21 * XorA isnt sure this is actually a HP Oct 07 10:43:13 * likewise initiates a stadium wave across Europe Oct 07 10:43:43 Good morning everyone Oct 07 10:44:03 koen: we want an event group photo, Usual Suspects style. Oct 07 10:44:08 morning Oct 07 10:44:12 likewise: Crofton took one Oct 07 10:44:58 we have one from yesterday, but today we added another two tables Oct 07 10:45:38 wow, I'm going to flood CIA now :) Oct 07 10:47:38 XorA: Usual Suspects style? :-) Oct 07 10:48:12 * XorA has a bad limp so maybe Oct 07 10:48:58 we'd have to paint on the walls though: http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0114814/fcstil_0083.jpg Oct 07 10:49:22 we need a wider angle lense also .... Oct 07 10:51:44 lol Oct 07 10:55:52 likewise: like we did year ago one? http://blog.haerwu.biz/2006/10/11/oedem-2006/ Oct 07 10:56:15 hrw: ah cool didn't know that Oct 07 10:56:52 but it will be hard to get everyone in line Oct 07 10:57:43 yeah the story of OE ;-) Oct 07 10:59:04 Crofton: just a moment Oct 07 11:04:33 03likewise 07org.oe.dev * re10eb6f3... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-efika-2.6.20/defconfig): linux-efika-2.6.20.x: Include sound support as modules. Oct 07 11:04:41 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r6eb39bf8... 10/ (1 packages/icu/icu-3.6.inc): Oct 07 11:04:41 packages/icu/icu-3.6: Use binconfig to stage icu-config to avoid having icu-config --ldflags return the host dirs Oct 07 11:04:41 Now icu-config gets copied to STAGING_BINDIR_CROSS and WebKit/Gtk+ stops Oct 07 11:04:41 having i686 directories in the compiler invocation. Oct 07 11:04:52 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * rbf0d1dff... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): packages/llvm: Build version 2.1 of LLVM Oct 07 11:05:01 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * rb6553dea... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/preferred-xorg-versions-X11R7.3.inc): preferred-xorg-versions-X11R7.3: upgrade xdpyinfo to 1.0.2 Oct 07 11:05:09 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r87e7a524... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf): angstrom-2008.1.conf: revert accidental xorg downgrade Oct 07 11:05:53 Crofton: http://www2.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~ploetz/oedem20071007-1.jpg virtual wider angle lens Oct 07 11:06:06 thanks! Oct 07 11:07:32 Now the diff shows me who is steliosk :-) Oct 07 11:10:23 stelios-k|laptop: hi Oct 07 11:13:08 steliosk|OEDEM is hard to not be not seen Oct 07 11:15:47 pH5: crappit you should have thrown something at me for that Oct 07 11:20:58 http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Prisoner-of-Process.aspx Oct 07 11:45:05 console vx ts: tsc2003 touchscreen Oct 07 11:48:28 XorA: regarding "what's that thing for?" -> »The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny ..." -- Isaac Asimov« Oct 07 11:49:44 Crofton: http://www.xora.org.uk/~dp/tsc2003.c Oct 07 11:50:09 Ah, let's play a sociable game: Find the leecher Oct 07 11:52:11 Crofton http://rafb.net/p/wSVetJ91.html Oct 07 11:57:41 03likewise 07org.oe.dev * rd0704c3a... 10/ (1 packages/musicpd/mpd-alsa_svn.bb): mpd-alsa-svn: Added FLAC, Ogg and AAC. Oct 07 11:57:46 03jluebbe 07org.oe.dev * r2690e38f... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): openmoko2: use startup_unintrusive.wav instread of startup_openmoko.wav Oct 07 12:00:37 yeah jluebbe! Oct 07 12:01:09 yay! Oct 07 12:01:14 boo! Oct 07 12:01:26 * koen smacks Crofton Oct 07 12:08:00 ok, question (maybe koen might want to chime in): I have about a gazillion FILES_foo with patterns (automatically generated from debian) and want to somehow create matching FILES_foo-dbg which put all files ending in .mdb from foo into foo-dbg. Now that would be easy if FILES_foo was a list of regular expressions, but unfortunately its a fnmatch glob pattern Oct 07 12:08:53 that's why mickeyl wants RFILES ;) Oct 07 12:09:23 koen: if you want to bitch about git, try to git-clone my git tree :) Oct 07 12:09:44 git sux Oct 07 12:09:59 zecke: I want to try it.... Oct 07 12:10:11 vivijim: git-clone http://openembedded.org/~zecke/git/oe/openembedded.dev/.git Oct 07 12:23:49 Crofton: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/gumstix/kernel-module-tsc2003_2.6.21-r9_gumstix-verdex.ipk Oct 07 12:37:47 03xora 07org.oe.dev * rf961dac3... 10/ (1 packages/gcc/gcc-cross_4.2.1.bb packages/gcc/gcc_4.2.1.bb): Oct 07 12:37:47 gcc/gcc-cross_4.2.1.bb : de-koen the gcc-cross so if you wish to cause anyone Oct 07 12:37:47 pain for PR bump then aim at koen :-) Oct 07 12:37:55 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rfa6e511a... 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 2.6.21: add support for the ts controller on the console-vx-lcd gumstix boards Oct 07 12:38:02 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r2d557ebd... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Oct 07 12:38:02 packages/qmake/qmake2-native: Move the LFLAGS to the end of the linker line Oct 07 12:38:02 Move the LFLAGS to the end of the linker line. Otherwise a package (e.g. webkit) Oct 07 12:38:02 will try to link to the library in the staging directory and not to the one Oct 07 12:38:03 recently built. Oct 07 12:38:05 Remove the unstage hack from webkit-gtk as it is not needed anymore. Oct 07 12:48:20 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r147ea180... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux 2.6.21: patch tsc2003 to scan at more addresses Oct 07 12:50:27 ummm Ouzo Oct 07 12:51:28 koen|away: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/CFS_Development_Tree_Backported can interest yoou Oct 07 12:53:23 ~seen khem Oct 07 12:53:26 khem was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 2d 14h 49m 19s ago, saying: 'and also to Den Haag'. Oct 07 12:58:05 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r75803ac4... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): gnutls: update to 1.6.3, remove autoconf 2.59 hack (from Poky) Oct 07 13:01:06 Crofton: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/gumstix/kernel-module-tsc2003_2.6.21-r11_gumstix-verdex.ipk Oct 07 13:01:20 zecke: I tried git clone twice and got this error message both times: http://pastebin.ca/728852 Oct 07 13:01:40 37 minutes == 2 kernel bumps Oct 07 13:02:06 vivijim: I'm rebuilding the git tree (it just takes a couple of days...) ;) Oct 07 13:02:08 nice Oct 07 13:02:28 zecke: no problem ;) Oct 07 13:03:19 zecke: I really want to try it again ;) Oct 07 13:09:54 vivijim: I can give you the tree... and they work to some degree :} Oct 07 13:15:24 Crofton: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/linux-2.6.21/tsc2003.c Oct 07 13:22:37 Damnit. Oct 07 13:23:02 Crofton: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/gumstix/tsc2003.ko Oct 07 13:23:50 I'm just ready with my modified mono recipe. And wanted to close the window with the pydoc fnmatch that I opened earlier. That's when I read the last sentence in that doc: "The function translate(PATTERN) returns a regular expression corresponding to PATTERN. (It does not compile it.)" Oct 07 13:24:59 That's one of the possible solutions I was considering: make the fnmatch pattern into a regular expression and then modify that regular expression to do what I want (with assertions). I dropped the idea because I thought it would be too hard to get a regular expression that matches an fnmatch pattern Oct 07 13:26:03 * * OE Bug 3130 has been created by autobuild(AT)openembedded.org Oct 07 13:26:05 * * lmsensors-apps-2.10.1-r2-do_patch Oct 07 13:26:07 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3130 Oct 07 14:47:39 morning Oct 07 14:53:28 gm chouimat Oct 07 14:56:36 03likewise 07org.oe.dev * r0f87cfac... 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): linux-efika: Moved from 2.6.20.11-cfs to .20.20-cfs. Needed div64_32() symbol weakening in lib. Oct 07 15:00:27 RP: We *do* need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH in bitbake, but I didn't dare mess with the python code and couldn't figure out how to do it with any .class files or such. Oct 07 15:02:19 mwester: could you explain why? (just for me to understand) Is it to make sure we link against the native staging? Oct 07 15:03:34 Exactly. Some (very few, tic is the only example I know right now) utilities need to run during the staging process that should link with the libraries they just staged. Oct 07 15:04:09 We've gotten away with it on most builds up to recently, because tic was happy linking with the libs in /usr/lib :) Oct 07 15:04:21 er, tic-native Oct 07 15:04:36 mwester: yup, understood Oct 07 15:05:09 ibot: koen is an idiot this week Oct 07 15:05:10 ...but koen is already something else... Oct 07 15:05:18 ibot: koen is also an idiot this week Oct 07 15:05:19 okay, XorA Oct 07 15:05:45 ~emulate crofton Oct 07 15:05:46 * ibot don't be so elitist! Oct 07 15:05:53 ~koen Oct 07 15:05:54 http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEDEM2007 Oct 07 15:05:54 extra, extra, read all about it, koen is our regular image monkey, or an idiot this week Oct 07 15:21:04 * * OE Bug 3131 has been created by  Oct 07 15:21:06 * * zaurusd should rdepend on bl Oct 07 15:21:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3131 Oct 07 15:24:56 eek, can anyone do a bitbake -c fetch gconf-dbus and see if it makes svn fail on an internal error - it does here. Oct 07 15:29:00 http://review-board.org/ Oct 07 15:30:07 koen: you stink! Oct 07 15:34:08 Is today "insult koen day", or did he step something? Oct 07 15:34:21 s/step/step in/ Oct 07 15:35:29 mwester: its to stop his eliteness Oct 07 15:36:22 be nice to koen, he doesn't have a wallet, money or passport Oct 07 15:38:08 he broke gcc Oct 07 15:38:11 all bets are off Oct 07 15:38:56 oh, now I understand :-) Oct 07 15:43:49 I am going to duct tape him and drop him at the US embassy with a note "Please send to gitmo" Oct 07 15:44:12 does anyone have a gconf-dbus checkout snaphot in his svn downloads? I'm stuck. Oct 07 15:44:28 the angstrom source mirror should have one Oct 07 15:44:42 my fetch simply worked Oct 07 15:45:23 koen: yay, at least you are still alive :-) Oct 07 15:45:45 sakoman, what is the trick to getting the wireless driver running? Oct 07 15:45:57 We have the display running, but no touch screen Oct 07 15:46:13 also the microSD only works with koenssandusk card Oct 07 15:46:23 does wifi work if you modprobe it? Oct 07 15:46:38 hang on we are editng the agenda Oct 07 15:46:57 Henryk: could you do a svn --version? Oct 07 15:47:26 likewise: "svn, Version 1.4.2 (r22196) übersetzt Nov 10 2006, 17:39:50" (it's debian stale) Oct 07 15:47:42 hmm, 1.4.3 fails for me on two different machines. Oct 07 15:48:18 likewise: maybe I didn't clean enough Oct 07 15:49:41 crofton: you can check in my collection for changes Oct 07 15:50:12 crofton: I think that there are mods in wifistix-modules,& netbase Oct 07 15:50:30 we are trying to cover the "big picture" stuff that is best solved when we are all in the room Oct 07 15:50:33 yeah Oct 07 15:50:49 grr, I am editing the wiki :) Oct 07 15:51:23 Crofton: just broke mfc25 trying to enable spi in the kernel (needed for my custom hw) Oct 07 15:51:31 oops Oct 07 15:51:52 I am oopsing the wired ethernet on the netwifi.... board also Oct 07 15:51:52 so, I'm backing out my change & doing a clean build to make sure that was really what broke it Oct 07 15:52:01 likewise: hmm, it doesn't actually use svn, instead it fetches http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/trunk_developer.imendio.com_.svn.gconf-dbus_606_.tar.gz Oct 07 15:52:30 sakoman: gumstix wifi is marvel 8385 one? Oct 07 15:52:42 I am also drinking the "Club-Mate" drink and it makes me feel funny Oct 07 15:52:45 Crofton: If you are trying to enable both wired and wifistix at the same time I think there are autoald ordering issues Oct 07 15:52:50 hrw: yes Oct 07 15:52:55 sakoman: crap Oct 07 15:53:15 hrw: everyone hates marvel :-) Oct 07 15:53:44 scrofton: the ethernet module needs to load prior to pcmcia module Oct 07 15:53:52 Crofton: you have two ways: 1. use marvell driver like gumstix guys do. It is recently GPLed 2. use libertas tree driver which Holger Schurig maintain Oct 07 15:53:58 http://www.energyfiend.com/caffeine-content/club-mate Oct 07 15:54:19 hrw: marvel driver is working fine for me Oct 07 15:54:24 we have copied he gumstix driver into wifistix-module Oct 07 15:54:38 sakoman: did you have a source normally available? Oct 07 15:54:51 hrw: yes Oct 07 15:54:59 share then ;D Oct 07 15:55:07 Marvell gave gumstix ok to release it Oct 07 15:55:22 check the wifistix-modules recipe Oct 07 15:55:51 5.0.16? you had 5.0.17 at one time ;( Oct 07 15:57:02 shit.. I should take my cf8385 card to oedem ;( Oct 07 16:00:03 Crofton: http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/0,1518,509917,00.html Oct 07 16:04:31 Koen broke gcc *AGAIN*???? tsk, tsk... Oct 07 16:04:53 trying to keep people attention at OE instead of german beer :) Oct 07 16:05:38 koen: how is it broken? if I just did a pull/update am I in trouble? Oct 07 16:06:17 zecke pasted "blub" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/48785 Oct 07 16:07:09 good evening Oct 07 16:07:27 * mwester applauds the content of zecke's paste named "blub" Oct 07 16:14:28 koen: gcc version 4.2.1(llvm) (Based on Apple Inc. build 5530), so now it is time to create an arm version... Oct 07 16:14:48 zecke: cool Oct 07 16:22:18 http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2007100104767.jpg <---- I knew it!!! Oct 07 16:23:34 koen: thanks Oct 07 16:24:07 zecke, Crofton: http://rafb.net/p/XFtazL67.html Oct 07 16:31:07 mokumentation roxx Oct 07 16:31:34 mockumentation actually :) Oct 07 16:32:00 and its open Oct 07 16:42:30 sakoman, http://www2.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~ploetz/oedem20071007-1.jpg Oct 07 16:46:44 crofton: almost like I'm there . . . Oct 07 16:46:50 :) Oct 07 16:48:00 btw, the wine was great yesterday. really beautiful day. Oct 07 16:48:14 how was the beer & german food? Oct 07 16:48:23 well Oct 07 16:48:37 don't tell me you did chinese! Oct 07 16:48:42 so far we have had Italian, Indian, Turkish food Oct 07 16:48:50 XorA, had Chinese Oct 07 16:48:54 he can read the menu Oct 07 16:48:59 oh yeah Mexican Oct 07 16:49:57 http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/VersioningPolicy Oct 07 16:50:23 Crofton: especially when menu is 'vegetables with chicken 2.5 for small, 3.5 for big' ;D Oct 07 16:51:19 it's the right time of year for Handkäs mit Musik, isn't it? you should try it while you are there :-) Oct 07 16:51:52 We are still working Oct 07 16:52:07 It's more a Frtankfurt thing though Oct 07 16:52:13 It is a pretty full trip, although zecke did take me on a short tour Friday Oct 07 16:52:15 Frankfurt, can't spel Oct 07 16:52:29 Came through the Brandenburg Gate Oct 07 16:53:02 it is pretty weird, given I grew up during the Iron Curtain phase, being in Berlin Oct 07 16:53:04 Got to do at least of few tourist things! Oct 07 16:53:14 we are on the East side, but very close to the wall Oct 07 16:53:26 yeah, you should take the time to walk around a bit Oct 07 16:53:33 we do Oct 07 16:53:54 I should come back with my wife, her mother was from Austria Oct 07 16:54:21 wait for the dollar to get a bit stronger :-) Oct 07 16:54:28 yeah Oct 07 16:54:49 We are discussing contracting American workers at cut rates :) Oct 07 16:55:12 I know a couple :-) Oct 07 16:55:27 Berlin is not that expensive Oct 07 16:55:34 at least the places we are eating Oct 07 16:55:46 I'm gonna head out & enjoy the day now, ttyl! Oct 07 16:55:56 bye Oct 07 16:56:13 bye Oct 07 16:57:44 My pictures so far Oct 07 16:57:45 http://www.balister.org/~balister/OEDEM07/ Oct 07 16:58:51 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r73760bb5... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Oct 07 16:58:51 libw100/libw100_svn.bb : make this the default as we need it for Oct 07 16:58:51 mplayer. Also lock down using SRCREV Oct 07 16:58:56 03jluebbe 07org.oe.dev * r6290a5cb... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): linux-openmoko-devel: Upgrade to 2.6.23-rc9 Oct 07 17:05:40 sakoman, can you make comments which MACHE_FEATURES you have added Oct 07 17:12:18 scruggs, ping Oct 07 17:14:24 Crofton: hey Oct 07 17:14:42 any luck with the touchscreen yet? Oct 07 17:15:52 not yet Oct 07 17:15:57 seems to be a missing driver Oct 07 17:16:06 we have one, but it does not find it Oct 07 17:16:18 can you answer some wifi questions? Oct 07 17:16:31 thats no good Oct 07 17:16:33 modprobe mcf25 Oct 07 17:16:34 sure Oct 07 17:16:44 does not create wlan0 Oct 07 17:17:03 any suggestions? Oct 07 17:17:09 what other modules do you have loaded? Oct 07 17:17:56 http://rafb.net/p/iIVa8X77.html Oct 07 17:18:42 hmm... that all looks good.. Oct 07 17:18:55 pccardctl ident doesn't return anuthing Oct 07 17:19:07 so it looks like the card isn't connected/detected/powered Oct 07 17:19:38 root@gumstix-verdex:~$ pccardctl ident Oct 07 17:19:39 Socket 0: Oct 07 17:19:39 no product info available Oct 07 17:19:46 when you modprobe pxa2xx-cs/pcmcia do you get a line like "CPLD resonded with ??" Oct 07 17:20:15 <4>CPLD responded with: 00 Oct 07 17:20:56 this happens as part of mcf25 probing? Oct 07 17:22:08 hrw: time for you to add x86 MACHINE_FEATURE to all x86 machines Oct 07 17:23:09 I get it as pxa2xx-cs loads... Oct 07 17:24:20 let me reboot and load by hand Oct 07 17:24:24 iirc from other gumstix mailing that CPLD ret val has something to do with whether or not wifi was detected Oct 07 17:25:50 yep get the message then Oct 07 17:26:50 btw - how muc people works for gumstix hardware section? Oct 07 17:27:14 I think there is a "gumstix guy" :) Oct 07 17:28:10 here is my lsmod/dmesg output after boot with a connex + wifistix-cf attached http://pastebin.com/m9435e19 Oct 07 17:29:19 scruggs_: but you have wifistix-cf and Crofton has wifistix-microsd-someting Oct 07 17:29:19 I only know of 3 people with gumstix - 1 hardware, 1 software, 1 marketing Oct 07 17:29:44 you get a C2 Oct 07 17:29:49 right... its just for a comparison Oct 07 17:30:10 <4>CPLD responded with: c2 Oct 07 17:30:25 Crofton: yes, and on a connex with a net-cf attached I get 'ff' Oct 07 17:30:38 I suspect 00 is "bad" Oct 07 17:30:57 reading through the archives now to try to figure out what the codes should mean Oct 07 17:31:01 ok, let me review the mailing list to see if any success stories on this card Oct 07 17:31:12 so Craig is SW? Oct 07 17:31:24 yep Oct 07 17:31:43 but thats mostly just kernel patches and drivers Oct 07 17:31:56 we are trying to power from the netwifistix instead of console Oct 07 17:33:54 did you see the post to the list yesterday about having working wifi and ethernet on the netmicrowifisd? Oct 07 17:34:23 not sure Oct 07 17:34:24 it had some attached patches and at least one other report of success Oct 07 17:34:35 they are taking the wifi module off now and re seating it :) Oct 07 17:34:49 I am at OEDEM in Berlin Oct 07 17:34:54 good idea :) Oct 07 17:35:16 yeah, I've been checking out the pictures you posted Oct 07 17:35:28 http://www.nabble.com/Wireless-and-Eth-with-netwifimicrosd-vx-tf4579010.html#a13071515 Oct 07 17:35:40 thats the post from the list Oct 07 17:35:46 thanks Oct 07 17:37:33 how is OEDEM going so far? other than idiots losing wallets and passports and stuff :) Oct 07 17:39:52 we killed few users by dropping hot coffee on them Oct 07 17:42:15  Oct 07 17:42:42 what is really annoying is tracking irc and voice at the same time Oct 07 17:42:45 :) Oct 07 17:42:52 Crofton: old man Oct 07 17:43:09 hehe...looking at this picture (http://www.balister.org/~balister/OEDEM07/dscn0860.jpg) maybe we should have a seperate OEDEM branch to keep .dev from exploding :) Oct 07 17:43:31 backup all machines! Oct 07 17:44:10 * likewise notices hagelslag Oct 07 17:46:03 * XorA thinks the main problem with vendor branches is the fact after product release the software team tends to get disbanded in 90% of cases Oct 07 17:48:01 XorA, but at least the remaining guy has the branch the product was built from Oct 07 17:48:25 Crofton: but he is pissed off and looking for a new job Oct 07 17:48:52 wich one? Oct 07 17:50:28 XorA: what's with termcap-mini now? Oct 07 17:50:40 Henryk: I couldnt decide Oct 07 17:50:58 ohhkay ... Oct 07 17:55:43 So we'll just let openmoko users wait for their screen then Oct 07 17:56:04 * * OE Bug 3130 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Oct 07 17:56:06 * *  lmsensors-apps-2.10.1-r2-do_patch Oct 07 17:56:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3130 Oct 07 17:58:36 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r5f01e841... 10/ (1 packages/lm_sensors/files/prefix-fix.patch): lmsensors-apps: added missing patch Oct 07 17:58:42 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r9cc1cd6d... 10/ (1 packages/lm_sensors/lmsensors-apps_2.10.1.bb): lmsensors-apps: ugly fix to get it properly packaged Oct 07 17:58:49 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r925f2bbc... 10/ (1 packages/mplayer/mplayer_svn.bb): Oct 07 17:58:49 packages/mplayer/mplayer_svn.bb : update the c7x0 and hx4700 w100 support Oct 07 17:58:49 so they can play with accellerate stuff without having to have x11 installed. Oct 07 17:58:49 Also added check for machine feature x86 to turn on runtime cpu detection Oct 07 17:58:50 so x86 machines with SSE work. Marcin time for you to add it to your Oct 07 17:58:52 favourite toys. Oct 07 17:58:57 03jluebbe 07org.oe.dev * rfd419e88... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-openmoko-devel_svn+2.6.23-rc9.bb): linux-openmoko-devel: correct versioning mistake (thanks, koen!) Oct 07 17:59:09 03zecke 07org.oe.dev * r16956000... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): glib-2.0-2.14.0: fix inline warnings with gcc 4.2 in gutils.h Oct 07 17:59:14 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r0e7d709a... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): glib-2.0: add 2.14.1 Oct 07 18:08:06 ;) Oct 07 18:08:13 2.14.1 was already in poky... Oct 07 18:12:48 zecke: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484460, it's a dupe Oct 07 18:15:10 03hrw 07bitbake-1.8 * r976 10/lib/bb/runqueue.py: runqueue: fix typo Oct 07 18:18:34 pH5: thanks for taking a look :) Oct 07 18:24:03 ~seen cbrake_away Oct 07 18:24:07 cbrake_away is currently on #oe #openmoko #edev #nslu2-linux #openjtag #elinux. Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 2d 16h 20m 10s, last said: 'Henryk: I'll push your recipe in the morning ...'. Oct 07 18:24:13 ~seen cbrake Oct 07 18:24:14 cbrake was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 22h 39m 31s ago, saying: 'koen: the manual -- it needs updated'. Oct 07 18:26:47 * XorA hears across the room GTA01 mixer problems and hides Oct 07 18:26:57 XorA: ;D Oct 07 18:27:46 XorA: now you can officially ignore that? Oct 07 18:28:41 hrw: yes, although last time I used stereoout.state is was full duplex anyway :-) Oct 07 18:29:10 zecke pasted "locality hack for BitBake?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/48789 Oct 07 18:29:44 cbrake: something for you pushed Oct 07 18:38:55 XorA: yes, but stereoout is not particularly useful for VoIP. Oct 07 18:41:39 Henryk: but its like one control different from handset speaker Oct 07 18:41:43 steliosk|OEDEM: ../sysdeps/powerpc/fpu/s_isnan.c:59: warning: conflicting types for built-in function 'isnanf'../sysdeps/powerpc/fpu/s_isnan.c: In function '__isnan':../sysdeps/powerpc/fpu/s_isnan.c:45: error: impossible constraint in 'asm'../sysdeps/powerpc/fpu/s_isnan.c:48: error: impossible constraint in 'asm' Oct 07 18:43:33 hmm, maybe I should try this again. maybe it was just me being an idiot Oct 07 18:48:39 03xora 07org.oe.dev * refc59ba2... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Oct 07 18:48:39 mplayer/mplayer_svn.bb : fix pxa_configure.patch to not disable imageon Oct 07 18:48:39 driver. Oct 07 18:48:47 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * reaf98be5... 10/ (13 files in 2 dirs): x86 machines: added 'x86' MACHINE_FEATURE to limit amount of overrides needed when package need x86 special options - look at mplayer as example Oct 07 18:48:53 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rc7d233d1... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): linux 2.6.22: merge cm-x270 kernel (from compulab-pxa270 recipe) Oct 07 18:49:00 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r877bd215... 10/ (1 conf/machine/cm-x270.conf): cm-x270: change kernel provider to linux Oct 07 18:49:59 * hvontres|home is not looking forward to pulling tonight :) Oct 07 18:51:56 why not? Oct 07 18:53:09 hrw: looks like you guys are being really productive today :) (At least my new laptop is WAY faster than my old build machine) Oct 07 18:53:49 hvontres|home: dual core 64bit contra dual pentium2? Oct 07 18:54:15 hrw: yup...plus the 2Gigs of Memory don't hurt either :) Oct 07 18:54:36 nice Oct 07 18:54:55 I have to think what do buy... Oct 07 18:55:04 battery for laptop or amd64 x2 cpu Oct 07 18:57:01 hrw: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/genericDocument?docname=c01072389&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN Oct 07 18:58:02 quite nice Oct 07 18:58:11 hrw: the good: 14" screen, nice and portable. The bad: #$%^ Broadcom Wireless only works with ndiswrapper... Oct 07 18:58:28 hvontres|home: which exactly broadcom? Oct 07 18:58:48 hvontres|home: I use 4306 here with bcm43xx, at home I have 4318 which also works with bcm43xx Oct 07 18:59:08 hrw: 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11a/b/g (rev 02) Oct 07 18:59:31 hrw: I think the BCM guys still need to reverse-engineer the spect Oct 07 18:59:38 s/spect/specs Oct 07 18:59:59 hvontres|home: 4312 is marked as b/g working in 2.6.20 or newer Oct 07 19:00:06 s/or/and/ Oct 07 19:00:22 hrw: but not the rev 02 :( Oct 07 19:00:34 argh Oct 07 19:00:48 hvontres|home: you can always replace it with other one Oct 07 19:01:31 hrw: well, for now I live with ndiswrapper... The BCM guys are working on it, since it seems to be getting more popular... Oct 07 19:01:42 ;) Oct 07 19:01:58 anyway I would replace my bcm4306 for intel one Oct 07 19:02:26 hrw: you feel intel one is terrible Oct 07 19:02:33 s/feel/fool/ Oct 07 19:02:47 hrw: yeah. Do you want me to help you pick one up on ebay? Oct 07 19:03:38 hvontres|home: no Oct 07 19:03:43 hrw: ok Oct 07 19:04:06 XorA: maybe - but I have two machine with minipci slot and only one wifi card (bcm4318 is lent for testing) Oct 07 19:07:06 zecke pasted "next try, it accelerated something here..." at http://paste.lisp.org/display/48792 Oct 07 19:09:04 * * OE Bug 3132 has been created by autobuild(AT)openembedded.org Oct 07 19:09:06 * * mplayer-0.0+1.0rc1+svnr24587-r5-do_compile Oct 07 19:09:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3132 Oct 07 19:16:15 Crofton: back now. did you have a question? Oct 07 19:16:32 We are trying to get the wireless working Oct 07 19:17:01 found yet another patch, need to figure out if it id for verdex or netwifimicroSD Oct 07 19:17:24 and, if it wirks :) Oct 07 19:17:31 falshing now Oct 07 19:17:38 need food soon Oct 07 19:18:06 ah, so you aren't using the wifistix, but the combo board? Oct 07 19:18:23 combo board is netwififmicroSD? Oct 07 19:18:27 yes Oct 07 19:19:05 don't have one of those. no one gives me free hw :-( Oct 07 19:19:16 we are earning it ... Oct 07 19:20:01 yeah, indeed Oct 07 19:20:34 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r0cf2c8ef... 10/ (1 packages/mplayer/files/pxa_configure.patch): mplayer/files/pxa_configure.patch : fix patch AGAIN, this is I am a koen day. Oct 07 19:20:39 well, self interest keeps me plugging away :-) Oct 07 19:20:46 ok Oct 07 19:20:53 root@gumstix-verdex:~$ pccardctl ident Oct 07 19:20:53 Socket 0: Oct 07 19:20:53 product info: "Marvell", "802.11 CF", "ID: 04", "" Oct 07 19:20:53 manfid: 0x02df, 0x8103 Oct 07 19:20:53 function: 6 (network) Oct 07 19:20:58 sorry for flooding :) Oct 07 19:21:16 excellent! was it the patch? Oct 07 19:21:40 wireless.patch from list on the 6'th Oct 07 19:21:45 scruggs, pointed it out Oct 07 19:22:15 I haven't been following the gumstix list to closely lately Oct 07 19:22:32 me niether Oct 07 19:22:37 traveling and getting ready Oct 07 19:22:41 + if not self.taskData.fn_index[self.runq_fnid[task]] in self.recently_completed: Oct 07 19:22:43 s/gpio97/gpio110/g Oct 07 19:22:45 + self.recently_completed = [self.taskData.fn_index[self.runq_fnid[task]]] +self.recently_completed[:9] Oct 07 19:22:48 + Oct 07 19:22:51 all this talk about hw I don't have Oct 07 19:23:07 when I need to get my own custom hw working under OE Oct 07 19:23:11 koen: http://www2.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~ploetz/mono-cleanup.patch and the generating script is http://www2.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~ploetz/collect-files.py Oct 07 19:30:49 crofton: hmm . . . looks like that patch will break things for wifistix users Oct 07 19:31:03 that is what we are wondering Oct 07 19:31:11 I hate gumstix Oct 07 19:31:12 looks like gumstix changes how things are hooked up in the hw Oct 07 19:31:17 we will need a milliion machines .... Oct 07 19:31:28 I think we need a briliiant idea! Oct 07 19:31:37 I've resigned myself to that Oct 07 19:31:40 sakoman: or they do not have any idea how to make one kernel which will fit for all gumstix combinations Oct 07 19:31:53 One machine per product, but at least from a template Oct 07 19:32:35 hrw, I suspect stuff conflilcts Oct 07 19:32:45 it should rather be one machine per mainboard and then task-gumstix-* selector Oct 07 19:33:01 I am wondering if we can do a task per board Oct 07 19:33:04 sort off Oct 07 19:33:18 but can we specify kernel patches from task-? Oct 07 19:33:26 Crofton: task-gumstix-wifistix task-gumstix-wiredwifimicrosd etc? Oct 07 19:33:47 just binary patch the kernel partition on postinst Oct 07 19:34:08 *just* :-) Oct 07 19:34:13 Crofton: in best world there would be one kernel and expansion boards support in modules. but it looks like it is not possible so we will need to have many strange modules... Oct 07 19:34:39 hrw, this is what I suspect Oct 07 19:34:44 the trouble is that different expansion boards need different uboots.... Oct 07 19:34:45 it is defiite challenge Oct 07 19:34:55 that two Oct 07 19:34:55 or /sys/device/gumstix-crap/* settings Oct 07 19:35:01 well, the old wifistix don't work with verdex, so perhaps it can be a verdex thing Oct 07 19:35:06 (dunno if that says something about uboot or gumstix) Oct 07 19:35:17 u-boot follows the wired ethernet chip Oct 07 19:35:24 both :) Oct 07 19:36:22 wifistix is always paired with connex/basix, and wiredwifiblahblah with verdex Oct 07 19:38:02 right now we are hacking to get working Oct 07 19:38:53 it is a useful study case for us :) Oct 07 19:39:11 and mister software radio needs a software antenna Oct 07 19:39:29 you didn't bring the antenna? Oct 07 19:39:33 :( Oct 07 19:39:38 heh! Oct 07 19:39:49 it's probably next to my wallet Oct 07 19:39:54 here I have a box full, take one Oct 07 19:39:59 koen: did you remember to mtn add mono_1.2.5.1-files.inc? :-) Oct 07 19:40:00 of wallets? Oct 07 19:40:01 antennas, not wallets :-) Oct 07 19:40:11 smart ass Oct 07 19:40:31 I found 10 euros on the sidewalk last night Oct 07 19:40:41 hey, real money! Oct 07 19:41:03 instead of that funny USD :) Oct 07 19:41:25 more and more like play money every day Oct 07 19:42:20 I saw an episode of Law&Order the other day, where a salesclerk gave someone 1 dollar change who then exclaimed "That's a canadian dollar! That's only one third of real money." Those were the days ... Oct 07 19:42:29 the pretty blue blinking led Oct 07 19:42:54 it is trying Oct 07 19:44:25 * chouimat is happy the cad is at 1.02usd Oct 07 19:45:20 so sad, maybe a coat hanger antenna? :-) Oct 07 19:50:13 gps antenna from neo Oct 07 19:50:19 pictures being taken Oct 07 19:54:05 * * OE Bug 3133 has been created by autobuild(AT)openembedded.org Oct 07 19:54:07 * * mono-1.2.5.1-r3-do_compile Oct 07 19:54:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3133 Oct 07 19:59:03 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r53810e0f... 10/ (1 conf/machine/cm-x270.conf): cm-x270: prefer 2.6.22 version of linux not compulab-pxa270 Oct 07 19:59:10 03henryk 07org.oe.dev * r44387964... 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): mono: clean up packaging Oct 07 19:59:17 modding of gps antenna in progress Oct 07 19:59:19 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9be09c52... 10/ (1 packages/mono/mono_1.2.5.1-files.inc): mono: add missing file Oct 07 19:59:26 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r22e9bcb7... 10/ (1 packages/mplayer/files/mplayer-imageon-svn.patch): Oct 07 19:59:26 mplayer/files/mplayer-imageon-svn.patch : I am now handing koen my passport Oct 07 19:59:26 and wallet as I have replaced him today with the loads of tiny fixes through Oct 07 19:59:26 my own fault. Oct 07 20:00:19 XorA: nice comment :) Oct 07 20:01:24 if (add_comment_string(msg) == E_SILLY) { exit(1); }; Oct 07 20:03:58 wire mod working :) Oct 07 20:04:04 koen: http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Take-That,-The-Bravery!.aspx the last one is just like ibm keyboard error Oct 07 20:06:21 now we are fighting to get the wlan to connect to the access point Oct 07 20:06:27 I'll post photo later Oct 07 20:16:33 crofton: very MacGiver of you Oct 07 20:16:45 Anybody know where to find some hints on using the machine_desc structure in user space? Oct 07 20:17:15 sakoman: http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-01/mcgyver-paperclip.jpg Oct 07 20:17:29 dinner time Oct 07 20:17:37 later all Oct 07 20:17:53 OK -- make sure it's german tonite! Oct 07 20:18:33 sakoman: heh...I have gotten so used to Mexican and Thai food now that German food just seems kinda bland.... Oct 07 20:18:35 hvontres: actually a paper clip might have worked in this case! Oct 07 20:18:46 food Oct 07 20:18:56 if we only had have one Oct 07 20:19:35 bye Oct 07 20:19:49 good night berlin! Oct 07 20:20:06 hehe... 5+ Geeks in an office and no paperclips... Oct 07 20:34:28 rwhitby: hi Oct 07 20:34:39 hi Oct 07 20:46:58 gerwinin: not in berlin? Oct 07 20:47:13 likewise: No have to work :( Oct 07 20:47:25 Likewise: are you in Berlin ? Oct 07 20:47:29 gerwinin: me too busy too... no Oct 07 20:48:26 Likewise: it seems that labour shortage is hitting nl big time Oct 07 20:49:46 gerwinin: how can you tell? Oct 07 20:50:45 Likewise: the amount of work I have comming in at this moment Oct 07 20:51:24 Likewise: I turned down four project offerings because it was simply too much Oct 07 20:51:49 gerwinin: pass them through :-) Oct 07 20:52:14 Likewise: I have one project for you but it is detachering Oct 07 20:52:26 gerwinin: hmm, no thanks Oct 07 20:52:45 Likewise: what kind of projects are you looking for ? Oct 07 20:53:03 gerwinin: deeply embedded. no gui stuff. Linux kernel / application space. Oct 07 20:53:44 Likewise: I am doing more the application and I am developing usb/wireless hardware (but is mostly the simple stuff) Oct 07 20:54:26 Likewise: I think that you do the more advanced stuff Oct 07 20:56:04 mostly Linux for industrial boards (ARM, PowerPC with FPGA). I am doing the system design and software design, and then some software implementation (mostly low-level and OpenEmbedded integration). Oct 07 20:56:38 Likewise: Mostly those people do not come to me :( Oct 07 20:57:11 Likewise: I am doing more the 8051, msp430, small arms and stuff Oct 07 20:57:17 gerwinin: well, it's hard to get these jobs anyway. I'm not exposing myself well enough. Not enough self-marketing. Oct 07 20:57:37 'small arms' sounds profiting :-) Oct 07 20:57:52 Likewise: I developed some usb devices now Oct 07 20:58:32 Likewise: but sometimes I really need to work overtime to get everything working because sometimes I am missing a collegue to help me Oct 07 20:59:06 Likewise: and sometimes also a bit the knowledge but with some overtime it is working out **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 08 02:59:57 2007