**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 14 02:59:56 2007 Oct 14 03:23:21 drmikecrowe: put the oe tree anywhere you like, as long as the path to it does not contain sym links, and as long as it has lots and lots of disk space (the OE team should get kickbacks from Seagate! :p ) Oct 14 03:24:02 drmikecrowe: Do *NOT* do this as root, or you will (sooner or later) find your system libraries or such overwritten due to some mistake or another... Oct 14 03:24:34 thanks, mwester. Working on it now Oct 14 08:42:58 hi all ... Oct 14 08:43:20 is the svn server of openhand down ? i'm unable to checkout ... Oct 14 08:55:03 hi all ... Oct 14 08:55:06 is the svn server of openhand down ? i'm unable to checkout ... Oct 14 08:56:42 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rc761e846... 10/ (1 packages/ttf-fonts/ttf-liberation_0.2.bb): ttf-liberation: fetch from http not https - closes #3153 Oct 14 08:58:31 hi all (anyone here) ? Oct 14 08:59:16 here i'm ... Oct 14 08:59:30 :-) Oct 14 08:59:51 I want to nderstand wifi in linux Oct 14 09:00:19 is it like I am suppose to load the module and it has a life of its own? Oct 14 09:00:39 I mean, it is scanning, and associating by itself Oct 14 09:08:53 niv_one_three no, but if you observe such behaviour mean some software component of linux distro interoperate to make it happen :) Oct 14 09:13:04 * * OE Bug 3154 has been created by bluelightning(AT)bluelightning.org Oct 14 09:13:06 * * opie-batteryapplet not included by default Oct 14 09:13:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3154 Oct 14 09:22:08 I mean, once I load the ipw2200 module it just grabs a AP and tries to associate to it Oct 14 09:39:40 niv_one_three: check your /etc/network/interfaces then Oct 14 09:39:51 thnaks Oct 14 09:40:04 look out for a line saying "wireless_essid any" under your interface name Oct 14 09:40:30 any means it scans for aps and choses one Oct 14 09:40:47 issue is that this iwconfig misses a command like ifconfig has the down Oct 14 09:40:57 ifconfig eth0 down Oct 14 09:41:26 ifup/down calls the wireless_* * settings from /etc/network/interfaces. Oct 14 09:41:43 niv_one_three: you should discuss such things in your distro channel I think Oct 14 09:41:48 I mean that if I issue iwlist eth0 scan , right after I load the module, I see one AP Oct 14 09:42:01 then after a min I see all AP in my area Oct 14 09:42:18 thnaks Oct 14 09:42:19 iwlist is not that reliable Oct 14 09:42:24 what's your distro? Oct 14 09:42:29 gentoo Oct 14 09:44:02 I'm sure there is documentation in the gentoo wiki or wherever they have docs Oct 14 09:46:54 niv_one_three: otherwise you could try #gentoo Oct 14 09:58:05 * * OE Bug 3153 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Oct 14 09:58:07 * *  ttf-liberation do_fetch fails with certification error Oct 14 09:58:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3153 Oct 14 10:05:13 gerwinin: hey Oct 14 10:05:47 where can I find a list of all packages available in OE Oct 14 10:05:53 <_gerwinin> zecke: hey :) Oct 14 10:10:29 zecke: we forgot going to the Bankomat :/ Oct 14 10:10:56 mickeyl: I know :) Oct 14 10:15:14 zecke: how's t-dose progresing? Oct 14 10:16:52 zecke, did you find a cardboard box to sleep in? Oct 14 10:16:56 * mickeyl tries moving from tetex to texlive Oct 14 10:22:13 Crofton|home: The trainstation in Eindhoven closes at 1:30 and yesterday I visited my family Oct 14 11:57:38 should we remove MACHINE_TASK_PROVIDER from machines definitions or do we need to discuss it on the ml ? Oct 14 11:58:55 i think we agree to just do it, right? Oct 14 11:59:05 they go into the distro confs then? Oct 14 12:02:14 mickeyl : yes, i think that's the correct place for them to be Oct 14 12:03:19 http://rafb.net/p/8zh7T831.html Oct 14 12:03:35 there does not seem to be too many of them Oct 14 12:11:37 right, that's not toob ad Oct 14 12:11:41 too bad, even Oct 14 12:13:26 zecke: so, t-dose is already over? Oct 14 12:16:04 mickeyl: no, two/three more talks Oct 14 12:16:54 ah, k Oct 14 12:17:20 I need more feedback on my talks Oct 14 12:19:17 well, it's been a while since i heard one from you Oct 14 12:29:23 something bad with openhand svn repository :( ... i'm unable to fetch matchbox-keyboard :( Oct 14 12:36:41 maybe just a timeout, try again Oct 14 12:37:11 yes but is all morning i have problem ... Oct 14 12:44:13 03jluebbe 07org.oe.dev * re2c9bd17... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): linux-openmoko-devel: add missing patches (thanks mickey) Oct 14 12:55:41 03ifaistos 07org.oe.dev * rd4ef8ebf... 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Oct 14 12:55:41 conf/machine : Remove MACHINE_TASK_PROVIDER from all machines that defined it Oct 14 12:55:41 The MACHINE_TASK_PROVIDER should be left to image or distro to be defined. Oct 14 12:57:04 Angstrom will leave the MACHINE_TASK_PROVIDER to the image? Oct 14 12:58:38 it probably will say MACHINE_TASK_PROVIDER ?= "task-base" Oct 14 12:58:39 zecke pasted "use the right qmake" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/49140 Oct 14 12:59:46 ok Oct 14 13:09:23 mhhhh trouble i got "hidden symbol `__clz_tab' in in /mnt/hd1/oe/ipaq/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-uclibc/4.1.2/libgcc.a(_clz.o) is referenced by DSO" building xst ... Oct 14 13:13:50 Crofton: did you see this?: http://docswiki.gumstix.com/Net-wifi-microusd Oct 14 13:16:15 yeah, I saw the link this morning Oct 14 13:16:25 need to check my build against it Oct 14 13:24:01 I think I going to break OE builds for users with the old wifi/net card :) Oct 14 13:24:17 until I can work out how to tel teh build the exact hw conf Oct 14 13:24:57 I fear proliferation of gumstix-verdex-netwifimicrosd.conf type files Oct 14 13:35:54 isn't a list of hardware items a prime candidate for OVERRIDES? Oct 14 13:36:35 Crofton: associate gumstix-verdex-netwifimicrosd with verdex, wifistix with connex Oct 14 13:37:03 The problem is how to select the correct set of patches Oct 14 13:37:28 I tend to agree with sakoman for a basic starting palce Oct 14 13:38:54 koen: could you please resend the mail. it got lost after all, apparently Oct 14 13:41:52 hit a strange dependency error. Try to build an image which included boa which rdepends to mime-support, but mime-support does not get build and thus the image fails Oct 14 13:42:53 anyone seen something similar before ? Oct 14 13:43:20 add mime-support to DEPENDS also? Oct 14 13:43:25 Crofton: nooo Oct 14 13:43:39 steliosk: use bitbake -g and take a look at the graph Oct 14 13:51:11 hi Oct 14 13:51:40 i'm compiling an angstrom image with OE Oct 14 13:52:01 on the libgpg-error i get an error related with cc, Oct 14 13:52:10 how can i tell the compiler cc is gcc ? Oct 14 14:24:43 Crofton: hrw mentioned you were a bit of a u-boot expert... Oct 14 14:25:23 heh Oct 14 14:25:24 Crofton|home: I'm looking at updating u-boot on my dev board. Oct 14 14:25:28 ;) Oct 14 14:25:31 what board? Oct 14 14:25:37 Perhaps it was passing the buck.... Oct 14 14:25:47 kb9202 - kwikbyte.com Oct 14 14:26:10 you have built ubooy for it? Oct 14 14:26:32 Crofton|home: uboot 1.1.4 - breaks on a recent chagne by koen - kernel decomp. Oct 14 14:26:41 no... Oct 14 14:26:48 * russf_ googles ubooy Oct 14 14:26:55 uboot :) Oct 14 14:27:16 gotcha Oct 14 14:27:18 give me a minute ... Oct 14 14:28:22 no - I was having a prob with a build - but it was just a shot in the dark - I have not added any special config, so I was asking too much. Just did bitbake u-boot, and got many errors. Will be here for a bit.... Oct 14 14:29:38 what kernel are you building? Oct 14 14:29:54 The problem is the switch the built in kernel decompressor? Oct 14 14:31:42 yes. That's why I'm entertaining an update - faster boot for dev and production. Oct 14 14:31:49 yeah Oct 14 14:32:03 where does the boot fail? Oct 14 14:32:06 Angstrom... Oct 14 14:32:14 one mo... Oct 14 14:38:06 Crofton|home: Many warnings about interworking, but finally fails on line 180 http://pastebin.com/dc9cd107 Oct 14 14:38:44 I mean how does the boot fail on the board? Oct 14 14:39:09 do you know if u-boot 1.2 has support for that board? Oct 14 14:39:22 or did they vendor keep the patches and not send them upstream? Oct 14 14:42:22 I think the latter :(, but I'll be in touch again tomorrow - I have a contact there, so there's some hope. Here's the symptom in this bug. http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3151 Check Koen's comment near the end. Oct 14 14:42:38 ok Oct 14 14:42:44 I am looking in u-boot git now Oct 14 14:43:53 russf_, I am thinking u-boot loads the kernel, then the kernel starts decompressing OK Oct 14 14:43:54 I ***think*** the image is internally compressed - coz it's ~ the same size as the gzip compressed kernel from a prior OE rev. But u-boot seems to see it as not compressed. Header issue? Oct 14 14:43:58 but fails at some point Oct 14 14:44:04 ah. Oct 14 14:44:30 like the .'s are progress markers Oct 14 14:44:46 OK. that makes sense. Then the kernel says: invalid compressed format (err=1) Oct 14 14:44:53 ask your contact if they have tested using the kernel decompressor Oct 14 14:45:01 how are you building the kernel? Oct 14 14:45:22 as in, are there vendor patches needed, what version are you working from? Oct 14 14:45:28 Why do I see " Image Type: ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed)" in the bootm command?? Oct 14 14:45:45 Crofton|home: I'll bet my contact has not done so. Oct 14 14:45:56 because the image is not compressed as far as u-boot knows Oct 14 14:46:04 kernel built with bitbake task-base Oct 14 14:46:08 it just loads it and passes control to the kernel Oct 14 14:46:22 I see Oct 14 14:46:39 if it thought it was compressed, it would get involved... Hmm. Oct 14 14:46:44 allegedly, the kernel can then set up hw for faster operation etc Oct 14 14:46:48 clearer now. Oct 14 14:46:49 yes. Oct 14 14:47:04 * Crofton|home may not be right, but he is pretty sure :) Oct 14 14:48:14 kb9202 right? Oct 14 14:48:14 Thanks. Yes. I have not applied vendor patches for this board. Need to work them out myself. I'm getting helloworld to run. Is it wackily optimistic to thing that RAM, NAND, and NOR are OK at that point? Oct 14 14:48:18 yes. Oct 14 14:48:32 The current machine in the config is a bit out of date. Oct 14 14:48:34 depends what is in the vendor patches Oct 14 14:48:38 ok, that is in uboot Oct 14 14:48:42 let me lok around Oct 14 14:48:48 do you have JTAG? Oct 14 14:49:02 It was made for me by koen, hastily, and has one or 2 issues, I think. Oct 14 14:49:05 No jtag. Oct 14 14:49:07 in other words, can you debrick the board if the u-boot build goes south? Oct 14 14:49:16 Yes. I can do that. Oct 14 14:49:33 I can use minicom to load ramMonitor, uboot, etc. Oct 14 14:49:46 I have already done this several times - NP Oct 14 14:50:15 so if you flash a bad u-boot, you can recover? Oct 14 14:51:22 Yes. I have already flashed the u-boot that's there now. I can get in at the Arm boot phase with CCCC on the serial port, and xmodem of ramMonitor. Oct 14 14:52:19 ok Oct 14 14:52:31 I am not sure why u-boot is not building Oct 14 14:52:39 Then I can flash a permanent ramMon and u-boot. It's a pretty good env. Oct 14 14:52:39 you may want to ask the guy that also Oct 14 14:52:58 it may have bitrotted and need fixing Oct 14 14:54:11 seems that if we are getting in the kernel (now I understand why koen was advocating 'printascii hack') the problem is not a u-boot one ??? Oct 14 14:54:34 well, certainly some kind of interaction at the least Oct 14 14:54:50 the question is, where is the right place to fix it Oct 14 14:55:12 Is it already known that the 1.1.4 u-boot is going to have a problem?? Oct 14 14:55:21 I don't know Oct 14 14:55:36 or do we focus on looking at the decomp in linux?? Oct 14 14:55:39 it is old Oct 14 14:55:46 one year :) Oct 14 14:55:49 well, u-boot 1.2 is not building Oct 14 14:55:58 right. Oct 14 14:56:05 seems like an arch problem?? Oct 14 14:56:12 03bluelightning 07org.oe.dev * r3157b6fd... 10/ (1 packages/libqpe/libqpe-opie_cvs.bb): libqpe: bump PV for CVS version - closes #3152 Oct 14 14:56:17 03eha 07org.oe.dev * r836b6a01... 10/ (1 packages/libmad/libmad_0.15.1b.bb): libmad: fix SRC_URI - close #3147 Oct 14 14:56:19 so maybe some printascii's in the decopressor is the easiest thing to try atm Oct 14 14:56:21 :) Oct 14 14:56:25 03eha 07org.oe.dev * r492c2470... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libid3tag: update to 0.15.1b, fix SRC_URI - close #3147 Oct 14 14:56:29 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r6e79a7ed... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): at91sam92*: fix require lines Oct 14 14:57:19 ok. I'll give this a shot. Thanks for your perspective. You have got me OFF the u-boot trail and into the decompresser which I think is more likely the issue. Oct 14 14:57:27 * russf_ hopes this is wise... Oct 14 14:57:28 yeah Oct 14 14:57:53 even if u-boot does not quite get the kernel setup right, the kernel has plenty of chances to correct the problem Oct 14 14:58:01 I need to figure out printascii anyway for other boot time issues. Oct 14 14:58:17 hopefully kwikbyte has already been down this path Oct 14 14:58:25 Unlikely. Oct 14 14:58:57 how much is the board Oct 14 14:59:06 er.. $250 Oct 14 14:59:36 it would be nice to have it working on OE Oct 14 15:00:02 hehe, Knut is doing OE evangelism Oct 14 15:00:12 Knut? Oct 14 15:00:24 Trolltech Community manager Oct 14 15:01:12 http://trolltech.com/images/company/bios/knut/image_view_fullscreen Oct 14 15:01:20 Crofton|home: yes. We're using a similar design for our product, so I need to get it running. DRAM: 64 MB Oct 14 15:01:21 Flash: 16 MB Oct 14 15:01:21 NAND: 32 MiB Oct 14 15:02:00 more than one Knut I guess :) Oct 14 15:02:07 Crofton|home: lol, add 5 years to the picture? Oct 14 15:02:27 Crofton|home: and it is the wrong Knut anyway Oct 14 15:02:43 plone site. Oct 14 15:02:48 yeah, that is afinance guy :) Oct 14 15:02:58 buttery smile. Oct 14 15:07:30 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r9610c7c7... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): opie-usermanager: drop as this is not supported in OPIE since 1.2.3 - close #2709 Oct 14 15:09:56 russf_, this acount is not registered Oct 14 15:13:05 * * OE Bug 3155 has been created by abraxa(AT)dar-clan.de Oct 14 15:13:07 * * Patch for libgstmad to generate 16-bit output instead of 32-bit Oct 14 15:13:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3155 Oct 14 15:25:04 zecke: how was your talk? Oct 14 15:26:24 hey mickeyl Oct 14 15:27:14 morning Oct 14 15:27:25 hey hrw Oct 14 15:27:27 hi koen Oct 14 15:27:30 yo hrw Oct 14 15:29:28 * koen|away larts nokia for requiring ssh+screen+irsi for irc n the n800 Oct 14 15:29:32 mickeyl: will you apply my patch for neod? Oct 14 15:29:47 koen|away: xchat? gpe-irc? Oct 14 15:29:48 hrw: next time i'm hacking on it, yeah Oct 14 15:29:57 mickeyl: ok Oct 14 15:30:09 mickeyl: I am also thinking of removing xrandr calls Oct 14 15:30:16 hrw: those are nly for it2006 Oct 14 15:30:31 mickeyl: xrandr usage is quite simple but need few X11 calls Oct 14 15:30:49 hrw: i thought about it as well, but honestly... it's not worth it. calling a shell script is ok, we have no performance issues here. plus, the actual binary is small Oct 14 15:31:00 but feel free, if you really want to Oct 14 15:31:09 i would accept that as well Oct 14 15:32:10 mickeyl: http://pastebin.ca/736448 is all what is needed to rotate screen Oct 14 15:33:24 well, that's not too bad Oct 14 15:38:28 03nicolas.ferre 07org.oe.dev * rd9d4befd... 10/ (1 packages/vlc/vlc-gpe_0.8.4.bb): vlc-gpe: use proper pkg-config - close #2949 Oct 14 15:52:39 cbrake_away: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2718 - please have a look at it Oct 14 16:00:05 * * OE Bug 3152 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Oct 14 16:00:07 * *  libqpe-opie_cvs needs version bump Oct 14 16:00:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3152 Oct 14 16:00:17 * * OE Bug 3142 has been RESOLVED (INVALID) by Oct 14 16:00:19 * *  cannot find package when PACKAGES ${PN} is empty Oct 14 16:00:21 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3142 Oct 14 16:00:28 * * OE Bug 3147 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Oct 14 16:00:30 * *  upgrade to libid3tag-0.15.1b and fixed URI for libmad-0.15.1b Oct 14 16:00:32 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3147 Oct 14 16:00:40 * * OE Bug 3048 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Oct 14 16:00:42 * *  at91sam9260ek/at91sam9261ek include nonexisting file, minor enhancements Oct 14 16:00:44 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3048 Oct 14 16:00:52 * * OE Bug 2847 has been RESOLVED (INVALID) by Oct 14 16:00:54 * *  gpe-lock-display on screen keyboard is cut-off when using rotated screen Oct 14 16:00:56 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2847 Oct 14 16:01:05 * * OE Bug 2709 has been RESOLVED (WONTFIX) by Oct 14 16:01:07 * *  opie-usermanager 1.2.3 doesn't fetch Oct 14 16:01:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2709 Oct 14 16:01:16 * * OE Bug 468 has been RESOLVED (WONTFIX) by Oct 14 16:01:19 * *  osso-gnome-vfs2_2.8.4.4-1.bb should depend on samba-3.0.14a Oct 14 16:01:21 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=468 Oct 14 16:01:48 hrw: stop spamming ;) Oct 14 16:01:59 its not me - its cdbot2 Oct 14 16:02:10 When bitbaking PackageX, bitbake also builds and stages PackageY -- but does not actually create an ipkg for PackageY. Is this a feaure, or perhaps a problem with DEPENDS/RDEPENDS? Oct 14 16:02:44 * mwester observes that hrw has been busy! :) Oct 14 16:03:00 mwester: it is bug in metadata or its handling Oct 14 16:03:05 mwester: there is a bug on it Oct 14 16:03:21 Ah - thanks. I'll search for the bug, then. :) Oct 14 16:31:15 Henryk: mail resent to @openmoko.org Oct 14 16:56:05 * * OE Bug 2949 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Oct 14 16:56:07 * *  vlc-gpe do_compile error modules/gui/pda/pda.c Oct 14 16:56:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2949 Oct 14 16:57:04 * * OE Bug 1736 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Oct 14 16:57:06 * *  omap1710h3 lack kernel configuration Oct 14 16:57:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1736 Oct 14 16:57:16 * * OE Bug 1766 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Oct 14 16:57:18 * *  a1200 lack kernel defconfig Oct 14 16:57:20 Is there any way to achieve FOO=$(bar) in openembedded? Oct 14 16:57:20 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1766 Oct 14 16:57:29 * * OE Bug 1590 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Oct 14 16:57:31 * *  libmutil cannot be fetched Oct 14 16:57:33 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1590 Oct 14 16:57:41 * * OE Bug 1791 has been marked as DUPLICATE of bug 1766 by Oct 14 16:57:42 * *  db1200 lack kernel information Oct 14 16:57:44 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1791 Oct 14 16:57:52 * * OE Bug 1583 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Oct 14 16:57:54 * *  hostap-fw-load doesn't work with bash Oct 14 16:57:56 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1583 Oct 14 17:16:37 does everyone inflate their skillz on resumes? Oct 14 17:21:01 Crofton: It's called 'polishing' and lots of people do it. Oct 14 17:21:51 Crofton: Those are the ones I usually chuck in the round file :-) Oct 14 17:29:10 heh Oct 14 17:29:52 sakoman, the goal of the resume is to get past the HR trolls to talk to people like you :) Oct 14 17:30:09 you have to check in buzzwords Oct 14 17:31:44 hmm, need to add some stuff on coursework Oct 14 17:32:27 to drive up the buzzword factor Oct 14 17:33:38 Crofton|home: ;) Oct 14 17:33:50 * hrw has now resume on website and linkedin profile Oct 14 17:34:07 hmm, I need to revisit my linkedin profile Oct 14 17:34:13 Crofton: or know someone who can get your resume there directly Oct 14 17:34:21 yeah Oct 14 17:34:36 * Crofton|home knows enough people to bypass the HR types Oct 14 17:34:40 Crofton|home: you have one? give me link then Oct 14 17:34:49 what is he URL again? Oct 14 17:34:58 Crofton|home: http://www.linkedin.com/in/marcinjuszkiewicz Oct 14 17:35:13 guys, I know it's completely off topic, but does anyone have experience with i2c / kernel drivers? I'm kind of stuck on a more or less generic question; please pm me if you'd like to give some hints, I would really appreciate it :> Oct 14 17:35:27 my advisor tells companies they need to be affiliates of our research group to get better access to stuents for recruiting Oct 14 17:36:24 Crofton|home: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/b8b/426 is you? Oct 14 17:36:42 yes Oct 14 17:37:22 Crofton|home: sent invitation Oct 14 17:38:10 hmm, what's my job title of OE? Oct 14 17:38:32 Crofton|home: Developer? Oct 14 17:38:41 what year did the switch to mtn happen Oct 14 17:38:45 good enough Oct 14 17:38:54 I figure we should be consisten Oct 14 17:39:41 Crofton|home: 2005 iirc Oct 14 17:39:51 yep Oct 14 17:39:59 that is about when I started Oct 14 17:40:40 Crofton|home: you arrived March 2005 Oct 14 17:41:08 that sounds about right Oct 14 17:41:23 836 days ago Oct 14 17:41:27 Crofton|home: I checked in my OE folder Oct 14 17:41:49 Author koen@openembedded.org Oct 14 17:41:50 Branch org.openembedded.dev Oct 14 17:41:50 Changelog import clean BK tree at cset 1.3670 Oct 14 17:41:51 Date 2005-06-30T08:19:37 Oct 14 17:44:56 * hrw -> out Oct 14 17:45:01 gn Oct 14 17:46:36 Crofton|home: any news on the ts? Oct 14 17:46:43 no Oct 14 17:46:51 been catching up with thesis Oct 14 17:46:59 and trying to get wifi running Oct 14 17:47:11 actually unpacked the boards and got the power back on Oct 14 17:47:17 so that is progress Oct 14 17:47:31 and I need a resume :) Oct 14 17:48:28 Crofton: I'd be happy to give you feedback on it once you have a draft Oct 14 17:48:39 sakoman, thanks Oct 14 17:48:45 "extensive ROI garanteed!" Oct 14 17:48:54 I think I'll run it by my tech writer first Oct 14 17:49:02 she'll hate the latex look though :) Oct 14 17:49:29 And if you change your mind and consider CA I might even be able to hook you up with some companied here Oct 14 17:49:47 that would be a pretty big life change :) Oct 14 17:50:01 there is that :-) Oct 14 17:50:25 that paul graham character is convinced silicon valley is the center of the universe Oct 14 17:51:01 must admit I have no idea who paul graham is :-) Oct 14 17:51:15 rtm's buddy Oct 14 17:51:49 must admit I have no idea who rtm is :-) Oct 14 17:52:11 I really must get out more! Oct 14 17:52:42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Tappan_Morris%2C_Jr. Oct 14 17:52:59 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Graham Oct 14 17:53:57 thanks :-) Oct 14 17:54:35 the essays are good, but he has been going overboard on SiV marketing lately Oct 14 17:55:10 I'll have to check out his web site Oct 14 17:56:34 it is good to see rtm did well Oct 14 17:57:57 I'm listening to the audio talk atm Oct 14 17:58:07 apparently he insulted java programmers Oct 14 18:04:41 it is always good to pay attention to people who have made alot of money Oct 14 18:12:14 Crofton: not always, quite often they attribute to intelligence and strategy what was in fact just the blind luck of being in the right place at the right time Oct 14 18:12:54 well, he is bashing people that go to meetings atm :) Oct 14 18:13:08 ah, a man after my own heart Oct 14 18:13:16 sakoman, I am pretty sure you are correct though Oct 14 18:13:37 I've seen it many times! Oct 14 18:14:18 You have to give them credit though for not screwing up the opportunity! Oct 14 18:14:59 yep Oct 14 18:27:40 yeah, that's a key - just don't screw it up. too easy to do. Oct 14 18:28:15 Hi all Oct 14 18:28:22 hey Oct 14 18:28:24 hi likewise! Oct 14 18:28:52 03henryk 07org.oe.dev * r81d9872f... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): mono: Remove obsolete files, update README Oct 14 18:29:23 just read an article that says European Universities do not stimulate entrepreneurship because every class is about "solving problems" - not creating something nice and make money on the way Oct 14 18:29:56 solving problems is just part of the creative process for engineers. Oct 14 18:30:07 i don't remember anything about making money in my US college courses - wish they would have mentioned it though! Oct 14 18:30:20 and universities lack the creative process - only problem solving Oct 14 18:30:53 HopsNBarley: most of my engineering classes was indeed solving problems - my business classes were an eye opener Oct 14 18:38:28 I think the key is a co-op style system like Waterloo uses. Oct 14 18:38:38 exposes you to the real world while in school. Oct 14 18:39:34 hi chris! Oct 14 18:41:01 I don't want to have anything to do with the real world! Oct 14 18:41:21 cdm: Hi Chris! Oct 14 18:41:42 cdm: remember you from my (few) qnx days Oct 14 18:41:45 hey Steve. Oct 14 18:42:03 I remember you likewise. Oct 14 18:42:07 fancy meeting you here :-) Oct 14 18:42:12 fancy that. :) Oct 14 18:42:35 you been looking at OpenEmbedded for long? Oct 14 18:43:48 nope. Oct 14 18:43:53 just a few weeks now. Oct 14 18:44:22 cdm: For Embedded Linux, it's the right choice. :-) Oct 14 18:44:37 likewise a good choice Oct 14 18:44:54 woglinde: not the right one? :-) Oct 14 18:45:18 likewise the right one choose everybody self Oct 14 18:47:24 agreed. Oct 14 19:03:04 morning Oct 14 19:03:28 Crofton|home: thx for recommendation Oct 14 19:08:12 he hrw Oct 14 19:10:12 Crofton|home: you got recommended Oct 14 19:22:54 hi Liam Oct 14 19:39:16 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r6491515c... 10/ (42 files in 22 dirs): libmutil: dropped empty dir Oct 14 19:39:26 o fsck.. Oct 14 19:40:45 hi CoreDump|home Oct 14 19:40:58 hey Oct 14 19:41:45 CoreDump: gained nick? Oct 14 19:41:58 indeed, some time back ;) Oct 14 19:42:20 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r17925750... 10/ (42 files in 22 dirs): disapproval of revision '6491515c0991b335eb83774c7692f5c94ed7c304' Oct 14 19:42:26 FYI: You can loose your nick if you do not connect in 6 month Oct 14 19:42:45 good to know Oct 14 19:43:04 uf.. Oct 14 19:43:10 ~hail disapprove Oct 14 19:43:11 * ibot bows down to disapprove and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Oct 14 19:57:05 * * OE Bug has been RESOLVED by ploetz(AT)informatik.hu-berlin.de Oct 14 19:57:07 * *  problem installing libmono2.0-cil_1.2.5.1-r2_armv4t.ipk Oct 14 19:57:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id= Oct 14 19:59:05 * * OE Bug has been RESOLVED by ploetz(AT)informatik.hu-berlin.de Oct 14 19:59:07 * *  mono-1.2.4+1.2.5pre5-r3-do_compile Oct 14 19:59:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id= Oct 14 20:04:12 funny. why does it lack the bugnumbers there? Oct 14 20:07:05 CoreDump knows Oct 14 20:33:57 http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070828-getting-to-the-bottom-of-the-gphone-rumors.html Oct 14 20:34:01 gphone rumours Oct 14 20:41:41 eek a bug in the bug-reporting bot Oct 14 20:41:43 ;) Oct 14 20:45:36 mhm, I have an externel kernel module, and I somehow fail to create a .bb for it; it has a Makefile that works on x86 without OE, but when I build it from the .bb file nothing happens allthough make is executed Oct 14 20:46:00 does that /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build match to ${STAGING_KERNEL_DIR}/build ? Oct 14 20:46:54 oh crap, there is not even a ${STAGING_KERNEL_DIR} Oct 14 20:47:07 so where do I point that dir to, if I want to build from OE? Oct 14 20:52:48 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r3904400f... 10/ (1 packages/libmad/libmad_0.15.1b.bb): libmad: use SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR Oct 14 20:52:53 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r0d398e50... 10/ (1 packages/libid3tag/libid3tag_0.15.1b.bb): libid3tag: use SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR Oct 14 22:26:41 Henryk, I'll push your directfb request tonight Oct 14 22:27:18 svolpe_gerrath: ah, thanks. I almost thought you had forgotten about it Oct 14 22:27:47 Henryk, no I just got swamped at work and ended up pulling some late nights. Oct 14 22:27:59 Henryk, did you ever get to test out cairo? Oct 14 22:29:53 Henryk, I mean cairo-directfb Oct 14 22:30:12 svolpe_gerrath: no, was not yet interested in that. Oct 14 22:31:26 Henryk, uhm, I thought it was you I was talking to about using cairo-directfb, sorry I must be mistaking. Oct 14 22:32:03 svolpe_gerrath: that was roh, most likely Oct 14 22:32:36 Henryk, yes thats who it was :-) Oct 14 22:37:30 anyone here currently using OE on the N800? I'm curious to how the OE build for it stacks up against the Nokia Debian build for it. Oct 14 22:37:30 hey Oct 14 22:37:37 hi roh. Oct 14 22:38:11 well.. ive not got my app to execute yet (no fitting device in reach) but ive got it to compile (after touching directfb.pc in staging) Oct 14 22:38:52 it seems it gives me the include-path without "/directfb" at the end. which is wrong (my hostsystem also has otherwise) Oct 14 22:40:35 also i think directfb 1.1.0 should not be pulled as default, 1.0.1 should Oct 14 22:40:52 (there was a api/abi change between 1.0.x and 1.1.x series) Oct 14 22:41:35 roh: hmm, but everyone seems to use 1.1.0 now Oct 14 22:41:49 Henryk huh? thats new to me. Oct 14 22:41:53 roh, I have a patch that I wrote (and committed) a while back to fix up directfb.pc and several other .pc's for directfb. I wonder what I missed I will look at it some more. Oct 14 22:42:08 most stuff does not even compile agains 1.1 yet as far as i was told (by dok, the maintainer of dfb) Oct 14 22:42:18 roh: well, obviously that's what's getting built Oct 14 22:42:51 Henryk, I think the patch was: packages/directfb/files/fix-pkgconfig-specs.patch Oct 14 22:43:09 also there should never be a directfb be built when i use bitbake openmoko-devel-image .. atleast ive not yet found the reason for pulling dfb in yet Oct 14 22:43:57 Henryk, no it was fix-pkgconfig-cflags.patch Oct 14 22:44:11 well I will look futher into it and see why its not working. Oct 14 22:44:28 opps that was meant for roh :-) Oct 14 22:44:58 the question is why is it needed? Oct 14 22:45:17 gst-plugins-bad seems to depend on directfb Oct 14 22:45:39 Henryk, I wonder if that is because of gtk-directfb? Oct 14 22:46:02 packages/gstreamer/gst-plugins-bad_0.10.5.bb -> DEPENDS += "gst-plugins-base directfb" Oct 14 22:46:07 Henryk sometimes i wonder how the concept of keeping only needed deps in is handled in oe Oct 14 22:46:31 Henryk currently every new feature bloats the distro more Oct 14 22:46:43 for everyone, not just the intended users Oct 14 22:46:51 roh: for .so libraries that's done automatically. also note the difference between DEPENDS and RDEPENDS Oct 14 22:47:22 Henryk whats the difference? isnt R just for 'runtime'? Oct 14 22:48:13 roh: right. the ipkg will not depend on DEPENDS by default Oct 14 22:48:22 I removed pango-directfb because of that same reason.. there is a long email chain regarding this.. I tried all the different methods in OE to stop it from building pango-directb by default but nothing seemed to work. The real weird thing was on my system it always chose pango and not pango-directfb but other people had issues with pango-directfb being selected. Oct 14 22:49:47 Henryk, I just removed it for now until I have more time to look into it.. I even tried setting up a provides pango-directfb so it was not associated with pango but still it did not work. Oct 14 22:50:13 roh: apparently only the gst-plugin-dfbvideosink ipk rdepends on directfb, so that should not be an issue for most people Oct 14 22:53:57 really PREFERENCE = -1 should have fixed the issue but I guess bitbake does not handle it well and it did not work. Oct 14 22:54:54 Henryk, ok your patch should be pushed now. Oct 14 22:55:10 DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1" did work for me (mono svn recipe) Oct 14 22:55:38 03svolpe 07org.oe.dev * r85354429... 10/ (1 packages/directfb/directfb_1.1.0.bb): directfb_1.1.0 r1: Disabled vnc by default Oct 14 22:56:50 Henryk, yes, this issue is DEFAULT_PREFERENCE worked on my system but nothing worked on mwester system so I'm not really sure what the deal is and that is why I removed it. Oct 14 22:58:14 Henryk, maybe I will just add it back with the DEFAULT_PREFERENCE and see if anyone else comlpains :-/ I really hate to do that but I'm running out of ideas. I guess I will post something first and see if anyone has any better ideas, if not then I will push it. Oct 14 22:59:05 svolpe_gerrath: yes, purely bitbaky problems should be easy to solve with all the people in this channel Oct 14 23:05:09 * mwester hurries to sync and start a few builds beforehand ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 15 02:59:57 2007