**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 04 02:59:57 2007 Nov 04 07:51:25 Good Morining Europe :) Nov 04 07:51:34 morning ! Nov 04 08:07:04 * * OE Bug 3257 has been created by xjqian(AT)gmail.com Nov 04 08:07:06 * * gcc-syntax-fix.patch fixed upstream for libopie2-1.2.3 Nov 04 08:07:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3257 Nov 04 12:42:03 yo Nov 04 13:44:33 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r384c66ea... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom 2007: remove some preferred version that are already in the lockdown file Nov 04 13:44:39 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rbea514a9... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/angstrom-2007-preferred-versions.inc): angstrom-2007-preferred-versions.inc: correct some entries Nov 04 15:01:28 is there any input subsystem wrapper available? Nov 04 15:06:55 good morning all Nov 04 15:10:05 hi koen Nov 04 15:10:13 hey Bernardo Nov 04 15:11:58 koen, can you push bug #3257? I've just checked xjqian fix for libopie2-1.2.3 recipe and it is correct Nov 04 15:12:10 I don't opie stuff Nov 04 15:12:25 :) ok, thanks Nov 04 15:12:48 I'll wait for someone who does Nov 04 15:13:07 * Bernardo has to start learning openmoko anyway Nov 04 15:25:36 guys? Does the free GnuPG offer acceptable Outlook integration on windows? Does anybody know? Nov 04 15:26:55 nm Nov 04 15:44:33 mickeyl: don't forget the neod patches in OE Nov 04 15:45:01 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rad80d0f2... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc): sane-srcrevs: bump ezxd Nov 04 15:45:05 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1910d894... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Nov 04 15:45:05 xournal: rdepend on poppler to get pdf annotation feature working Nov 04 15:45:05 also add 0.4.1 Nov 04 15:58:27 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3de8a5cd... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/neod_svn.bb): neod: add maxrev for patches that have been applied Nov 04 15:59:33 heh Nov 04 15:59:35 * mickeyl mtn revert Nov 04 16:05:28 mickeyl: are you perhaps preparing for a new snapshot? Nov 04 16:05:34 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r73811d71... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom 2007: lockdown file takes precendence over other files Nov 04 16:06:05 mwester: yes. provided nothing serious happens, i will release a new snapshot on 10th or so Nov 04 16:06:48 Cool! BTW, I have a script(let) that powers off the GSM modem during shutdown (init script) - is that something that might be of interest for said snapshot? Nov 04 16:07:13 absolutely Nov 04 16:07:16 please show me Nov 04 16:07:25 (attach to bugzilla) Nov 04 16:07:35 Along with the sound chip kernel patch, it results in a neo that doesn't consume power from the battery when it's been normally shut down... Nov 04 16:07:43 I'll add it to bugzilla :) Nov 04 16:08:18 excellent! Nov 04 16:08:20 thanks a lot Nov 04 17:02:40 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rf76a5213... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add vala, a C#-like language that aims to simplify GObject programming Nov 04 17:05:34 mickeyl: how can I build a vala app in OE? Nov 04 17:05:40 just DEPENDS="vala"? Nov 04 17:06:31 no idea :D Nov 04 17:06:39 vala-native Nov 04 17:06:43 emits the valac into staging Nov 04 17:06:55 if the autotools support for vala is there, then this should be it Nov 04 17:07:12 if not, then we might need a class that precompiles the vala files Nov 04 17:08:29 valac --pkg dbus-glib-1 -o bluetooth bluetooth.vala Nov 04 17:08:36 integrated pkgconfig support! Nov 04 17:09:31 to use a robtaylor-ism: "This is the future!" Nov 04 17:10:56 mickeyl: btw, mtn 0.37 supports marking branches as 'suspendend', which means they don't show up in 'mtn ls branches' anymore Nov 04 17:11:36 oh that's handy Nov 04 17:12:45 any volunteers for a "OE support vala support" pressrelease? Nov 04 17:13:11 (vala) yes, i think this could have a serious impact to gobject based programming Nov 04 17:13:53 i can't stand Gobject based C programming any more Nov 04 17:13:56 really fed up with it Nov 04 17:14:02 so it's either C++ or Vala for me Nov 04 17:14:36 just have to find out whether libraries written in Vala support plain C coding Nov 04 17:14:44 if not, this could be a deal-breaker for libs Nov 04 17:19:50 "plain c" meaning "C + gobject"? Nov 04 17:22:53 Well, the vala homepage says "without imposing any additional runtime requirements and without using a different ABI compared to applications and libraries written in C." Nov 04 17:25:23 sure, but the problem is the other way round. how does plain-C-coding against a library written in Vala look like. Nov 04 17:25:24 * chouimat|busy just read something about gobject and he's now sick Nov 04 17:26:37 Anyway, cool addition to OE. I like C# and Vala looks nice. Only done some small tests with it so far Nov 04 17:50:36 mickeyl: the next commit contains something that openmoko people will want to test :) Nov 04 17:51:21 good Nov 04 17:53:02 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8965d616... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): openmoko-browser2: add (disabled) patch to use fingerscroll instead of a regular scrolled window. Nov 04 17:53:48 interesting Nov 04 17:54:12 zecke disabled it 2 months ago due to segfaults Nov 04 17:54:27 that was a few thousand webkit commits ago Nov 04 17:54:33 time to test again :) Nov 04 17:59:50 right Nov 04 17:59:55 major problems were Nov 04 18:00:02 a) scroll indicator not visible Nov 04 18:00:21 b) no scrollable google maps Nov 04 18:09:56 mickeyl: time to hook up mokofingerscroll to mokoaccelerometerscroll :) Nov 04 18:14:53 03koen 07org.oe.dev * raf062edd... 10/ (1 packages/bluez/bluez-libs_3.22.bb): bluez-libs: update to 3.22 Nov 04 18:15:02 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc1a53272... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): bluez-{cups,gstreamer,alsa,utils}: update to 3.22 Nov 04 18:39:57 mickeyl: btw, HAL monitors all event devices by default Nov 04 18:40:13 dunno what it takes to do something with that, just noticed it listens on them :) Nov 04 18:51:41 koen: (mokoaccellerometerscroll) hehe, sounds like a plan Nov 04 18:52:29 ya, i know HAL can do a lot of what i need. i don't have the luxury of learning it before the next snapshot goes out though ;) Nov 04 18:53:06 I did a evalution of http://www.xsens.com/ a few years ago as part of the biomedics course Nov 04 18:53:34 comparing it against http://www.vicon.com/ Nov 04 18:54:44 great toys to play with, but getting useable data requires at ton of algos to compensate for drift and stuff Nov 04 18:55:43 the 'and stuff' was part of our assignment :) Nov 04 19:14:09 hello all Nov 04 19:14:34 steliosk: ping Nov 04 19:24:27 hey likewise Nov 04 19:24:59 hm seems my alsa-utils patch dont makes any anger Nov 04 19:46:40 zecke: hello Nov 04 19:47:07 hey! Nov 04 19:49:44 hey zecke Nov 04 19:49:50 zecke: how was linz? Nov 04 19:50:09 linzi :) Nov 04 19:50:30 koen: It was okay, I finally had the time to talk with Michael Opdenacker Nov 04 19:50:47 you freed your electrons? Nov 04 19:51:03 I was tempted by his job offer Nov 04 19:51:13 Nice looks like an OK region to live in Nov 04 19:51:28 hehe, Nice is nice! Nov 04 19:51:33 he sent you a job offer? Nov 04 19:51:45 yeah, a few months back Nov 04 19:51:47 * zecke imagines koen has motivation trainer Nov 04 19:55:32 hahaha :P Nov 04 19:56:04 s/has/as/g Nov 04 19:56:06 wow, tired Nov 04 19:56:19 no Linz was nice, the best news was a MIPS CPU from China Nov 04 19:56:26 godson 3? Nov 04 19:56:48 zecke isnt that an old news? Nov 04 19:57:44 it started with a 'L' Nov 04 19:57:58 and I met likewise, Jin|away... dodji... Nov 04 19:58:10 * koen had linse soup this afternoon Nov 04 19:58:25 lots of stuff embedded in it Nov 04 19:58:26 * woglinde_ had "kartoffelauflauf" Nov 04 19:59:04 Longsoon Nov 04 20:00:04 It was dirt cheap, and going to be manufactured by ST, a very reliable manufacturer. Also, ST has an ARM M1 Cortex chip out btw (1.75 EUR) Nov 04 20:00:18 The Longsoon is a MIPS. Nov 04 20:00:56 is that the nomadik thingy? Nov 04 20:05:45 likewise, i'll have some sample of ST cortex in a couple of week Nov 04 20:05:55 no mistake ... cortex R3 Nov 04 20:06:45 gremlin[it]: we purchased the samples and dev kit. Nov 04 20:06:55 let me look it up, not sure about the model nr any more. Nov 04 20:07:23 mhhh the M series of cortex is suitable for small linux ? Nov 04 20:07:30 it had flash and mem internally, we are not running Linux on all parts... Nov 04 20:07:35 i really would see cortex A ... Nov 04 20:07:52 but we chose a part with memory bus, so yes it should be able to run small linux Nov 04 20:08:26 mhhh nice :) Nov 04 20:14:25 steliosk, zecke: was steliosk in Linz?? Nov 04 20:15:05 gremlin[it]: No, we obtained the M3, no external bus AFAICS. Nov 04 20:15:09 no, at least I have not seen him Nov 04 20:16:11 i will receive the small demo of ST with a cortex M3 , a str7 ... an 3 axys accelerometer ... a small color LCD ... Nov 04 20:16:33 not suitable for linux ... but i play to play with free-rtos Nov 04 20:16:55 hey likewise Nov 04 20:16:58 hi Ze Nov 04 20:17:02 argh Nov 04 20:17:03 zecke that is Nov 04 20:18:13 Jin^eLD: how was your workshop? Nov 04 20:18:22 very cool and very interesting Nov 04 20:18:29 lots of good discussions Nov 04 20:18:56 Jin^eLD: hey there Nov 04 20:19:11 gremlin[it]: is that the eval board for the m3? Nov 04 20:19:12 also had the chance to talk to the gstreamer guys which was interesting because we are working on a transcoding feature in mediatomb Nov 04 20:20:17 how was your trip home? everything allright? Nov 04 20:20:44 no is a gadget ... but is sell with devel info Nov 04 20:21:38 Jin^eLD: fine Nov 04 20:22:05 * koen wonders why eval and devel kits always seem to cost an arm and a leg Nov 04 20:22:08 Jin^eLD: gstreamer might be interesting as a RTP receiver stack as well for us. Also live555.com is an option (is in OE as well) Nov 04 20:22:24 zecke: since you were talking when I pasted this link you probably missed it :) so here it goes again: http://www.deadlock.dhs.org/jin/zecke_linz.jpg Nov 04 20:22:50 likewise: indeed, they seem to have quite a good streaming framework Nov 04 20:23:01 haha Nov 04 20:23:18 Jin^eLD: I'll lock myself up tomorrow trying to get a project description your way :-) Nov 04 20:23:41 Jin^eLD: I'm really tired from just two days listening all day and doing nothing :-) Nov 04 20:23:57 Jin^eLD: My hands start itching to start coding again Nov 04 20:24:14 hehe, well, I did some coding in the train, and some documentation work Nov 04 20:24:30 and I was online the whole time, so feeling OK in that sense Nov 04 20:24:35 :-) Nov 04 20:24:54 Jin^eLD: I thought you drove your tank back home. ;-) Nov 04 20:25:23 "According to Andrew Morton, we change approximately 9000 lines of kernel code per day, every day. That means that we touch something in the range of 3000 lines of code, when we take comments, blank lines and simple reshuffling into account. The COCOMO estimate of the value of 3000 lines of code is about $100k. " Nov 04 20:25:31 likewise, http://www.st.com/mcu/contentid-105-110-STM3210B_PRIMER.html Nov 04 20:25:43 likewise: yeah, so I could do some coding - no need to look at the road ;) Nov 04 20:27:03 where are matchbox-panel-2 applets saved? Nov 04 20:33:08 zecke, Jin^eLD: what was the fast and fancy gui project? Any url for that? Nov 04 20:34:02 likewise: Qt ;) Nov 04 20:34:10 likewise: evas from englightement Nov 04 20:34:21 ~spell enlightenment Nov 04 20:34:23 'enlightenment' may be spelled correctly Nov 04 20:35:00 zecke: watch it, or I will sling the three-headed monkey back into the trees where it belongs, and send you Stan's Theme by email Nov 04 20:35:23 zecke: webkit might be cute though :-) Nov 04 20:36:30 yeah, evas.. I was too slow :) Nov 04 20:36:44 was Robi Karp at ELC? Nov 04 20:38:06 or was gustavo doing an evas talk? Nov 04 20:38:14 gustavo Nov 04 20:38:57 that's a great guy as well Nov 04 20:39:28 * koen shouldn't have bought the familypack of kruidnoten Nov 04 20:39:56 I'm off for today, bye everyone Nov 04 20:41:46 koen: ouch, I wonder if zecke is already aware of kruidnoten Nov 04 20:42:01 he confessed he was obsessed with dutch snacks. Nov 04 20:42:58 likewise: he was a big bag of them in his kitchen Nov 04 20:43:06 s/was/has/ Nov 04 20:43:36 now he has a fridge, he can start importing vla(flip) as well Nov 04 20:43:39 koen: not anymore... Nov 04 20:43:49 koen: regarding the big bag Nov 04 20:44:20 koen: and I know another berlin guy obsessed by vla. I could make money by importing it.... Nov 04 20:45:43 zecke: I guess stroopwafels are nothing special Nov 04 20:46:54 I brought Mozartkugeln with me, to keep the mistress happy Nov 04 20:47:01 stroopwafels are illegal in .au Nov 04 20:47:21 in .au, because of dairy? Nov 04 20:47:27 our solar challenge team had to surrender them Nov 04 20:47:54 Marjet had had sent a Unox rookworst over to .au when she was there, but it was intercepted. Nov 04 20:47:54 the .au custum officers know of them by name :) Nov 04 20:52:14 zecke: http://ikeahacker.blogspot.com/ Nov 04 20:54:38 * mwester-laptop would be happy if he had some good dutch peppermints left. Nov 04 20:56:01 * mwester-laptop considers, and adds that he'd love some proper gouda cheese too. Nov 04 20:56:32 mwester-laptop: define good dutch peppermints, which brand? Nov 04 20:56:51 wilhelmina ones of course :) Nov 04 20:57:00 Yep, what koen said. Nov 04 20:57:20 I dislike the glasur (sp?) layer Nov 04 20:57:32 too bad the only useable packaging is only available at gas stations Nov 04 20:58:42 I've only had them in the cardboard box, and in a small paper bag. Is there other packaging? Nov 04 20:58:43 mickey|tv: openmoko-panel-battery.c:94: warning: implicit declaration of function 'dbus_connection_setup_with_g_main' Nov 04 20:59:06 The cardboard box is the usable one :) Nov 04 20:59:49 koen: have you seen the webkit slides? Nov 04 20:59:58 zecke: not yet Nov 04 21:00:07 alp did forward your mail to cairo-dvel Nov 04 21:00:14 koen: http://www.openembedded.org/~zecke/elce2007 Nov 04 21:00:17 I have to go to a trade show near Detroit on Monday, there's a grocery store there that sells them in the cardboard boxes. :) Nov 04 21:00:37 I have seen that, I wanted to help the asian/indian WebKit/Gtk+ users... Nov 04 21:01:45 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r006b4b47... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/neod_svn.bb): Nov 04 21:01:45 neod: fix RDEPENDS, oe automagically maps dbus->dbus-1 when using debian renaming. Using dbus-1 also breaks for people not inheriting debian.bbclass. Nov 04 21:01:45 this fixes: ERROR: No buildable providers available for required build target openmoko-devel-image ('['task-openmoko', 'neod', 'dbus-1']') Nov 04 21:02:06 dbus.inc has some nasty renaming.... Nov 04 21:03:44 zecke: your slides look familiar :) Nov 04 21:04:00 especially the placement of the subtitles ;) Nov 04 21:04:30 koen: it is not using your gradient, I will have to create a template though... Nov 04 21:04:51 koen: do you have subtitles as well? I didn't know that! It was a good idea to create them Nov 04 21:07:58 zecke: http://www.openembedded.org:1081/revision/diff/2ebd969d37262b0d97c7ff5323a3e723f3032598/with/8965d61611a5420db6f2ccd518265ae6e940b299 Nov 04 21:08:44 what does "internal server error" mean? Nov 04 21:09:27 that python sucks and you should command-R Nov 04 21:10:07 http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2007-November/009982.html Nov 04 21:11:19 koen: I asked mickeyl to look me in sometime soon(tm). Probably december... :) Nov 04 21:11:29 s/look/lock/.... Nov 04 21:12:27 kergoth, you there? Got some tslib questions Nov 04 22:12:00 morning Nov 04 22:12:25 hey Nov 04 22:18:01 zecke: nice slides Nov 04 22:18:22 someone know what contain 'rsvg'? Nov 04 22:18:41 librsvg? Nov 04 22:18:57 | /home/hrw/devel/build/openmoko/tmp/work/all-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga-0.1.0+svnr3225-r2/temp/run.do_configure.11198: line 535: rsvg: command not found Nov 04 22:19:29 time for new openmoko bug Nov 04 22:21:48 ok, it was updated to 3289 in meantime Nov 04 22:26:46 nope it was not that Nov 04 22:32:26 someone alive at all? Nov 04 22:33:17 hrw: I'm here, but I have no clue what rsvg is either :) Nov 04 22:34:09 hrw: what was wrong with rsvg is part of librsvg? Nov 04 22:34:25 hrw: BTW, congrats on becoming a Daddy :) Just watch out for braindamage to set in :) (in you, not the kids...:) ) Nov 04 22:34:40 zecke: we lack librsvg-native Nov 04 22:34:44 v8jlene: thx Nov 04 22:34:47 hvontres|home: thx Nov 04 22:35:06 someone can suggest GTK UI builder application? something like QT Designer atleast Nov 04 22:35:17 hrw: glade? the only choice Nov 04 22:35:38 zecke: and it adds dependency on libglade? Nov 04 22:35:50 hrw: no, not with Gtk 2.12 Nov 04 22:36:21 openmoko is still 2.10 ;( Nov 04 22:37:04 when I look at gtk-helloworld I want to vommit Nov 04 22:37:09 hrw: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2007-September/msg00052.html check the Interface Builder Nov 04 22:37:19 hrw: hey, it is horrible but I have been through this Nov 04 22:38:52 * hrw wants EasyGUI way of creation GUI in applications.. Nov 04 22:39:10 EasyGUI was module for AmigaE to create system GUI applications. Nov 04 22:39:32 hrw: the biggest mistake you ever did was selling your amiga? Nov 04 22:40:08 zecke: no Nov 04 22:40:24 hehe Nov 04 22:40:26 zecke: amigaos time passed Nov 04 22:40:38 but writing applications for it was fun Nov 04 22:41:13 hrw: can you give me a link to EasyGUI? Nov 04 22:41:17 and 40K application size was nothing strange Nov 04 22:41:25 zecke: moment - will try to find something Nov 04 22:42:34 hi all! Nov 04 22:42:49 wow git-add --interactive is soooo cool Nov 04 22:45:08 hrw: Just tried to boot your 2.6.23 image on poodle. I sent the error log to the list. Nov 04 22:45:47 zecke: http://pastebin.ca/761513 is gui definition with callback functions names inserted where needed Nov 04 22:45:53 * pH5 loves anything --interactive Nov 04 22:46:50 ~lart pastebin... Nov 04 22:46:51 * ibot strangles pastebin... with a 9-pole serial cable Nov 04 22:46:52 pH5: hey! Nov 04 22:47:29 hey :) Nov 04 22:48:53 zecke: http://aminet.net/dev/e/EasyGUI_v33b3.lha is last version of EasyGUI Nov 04 22:49:02 zecke: its over 10 years old now Nov 04 22:49:44 thanks, will take a look Nov 04 23:18:58 gtk stinks Nov 04 23:20:16 koen: wow, you really had to switch ISPs... :( Nov 04 23:21:18 yes Nov 04 23:21:33 but I now have one month to switch over Nov 04 23:22:29 heh.. tomorrow (or rather today) I have to talk with OH guys about writing apps in GTK Nov 04 23:22:49 hrw: I responded to you neod email Nov 04 23:22:55 koen: a bit off-topic... but I was wondering if you could confirm something; from what I've heard from various mailserver admins around, wanadoo seems to be the AOL of europe, luser-wise? Nov 04 23:22:59 I suspect we need to add my email into the docs :) Nov 04 23:23:21 NAbyss: wanadoo doesn't exist anymore, it's now orange Nov 04 23:23:23 if I will have to spend half of day to write GUI definition for application then I will ignore GTK and will start writing openmoko apps in Qt Nov 04 23:23:28 but they still use the old domain names Nov 04 23:23:34 koen: Ah, that says it all ;) Nov 04 23:23:45 Thanks Nov 04 23:23:46 NAbyss: and atm it's the cheapest adsl2 provider Nov 04 23:23:58 so that pretty much makes it AOL :) Nov 04 23:24:04 * NAbyss grins Nov 04 23:24:09 Cheap is good. Nov 04 23:24:41 If only the phone exchange wasn't 8km away Nov 04 23:25:27 hrw: I tried to brain wash RP. o-hand is going to be a Qt company ;) Nov 04 23:25:50 zecke: you need to brainwash mallum rather then RP Nov 04 23:25:58 did rp and sameo get much kernel hacking done at celf? Nov 04 23:26:48 no idea Nov 04 23:27:01 hrw: I knew there was something wrong with my plot.. Nov 04 23:30:22 NAbyss: I'm hoping I get free hotspot access now orange and t-mobile are merging Nov 04 23:30:40 koen: Nice.. what's GPRS/UMTS data pricing like over there? Nov 04 23:31:03 I have flatrate edge for €17/month Nov 04 23:31:24 but you can get a data-only subscription for €10/month Nov 04 23:31:33 flatrate UMTS/HSDPA Nov 04 23:32:17 koen: with 9600 speed when you reach limit set by provided? Nov 04 23:32:19 koen: with 9600 speed when you reach limit set by provider Nov 04 23:32:24 ? Nov 04 23:34:15 hrw: dunno, never reached a limit :) Nov 04 23:34:21 and usually when on gprs/edge I'm in the middle of nowhere, so it's slow anyway Nov 04 23:36:36 ;) Nov 04 23:36:50 my phones are gprs only Nov 04 23:37:18 after merging with KPN telfort dropped edge Nov 04 23:37:26 so I'm gprs only as well Nov 04 23:38:27 and when I look at current phones I do not see good enough one to replace my k750i Nov 04 23:38:51 you could use the neo Nov 04 23:38:53 * koen hides Nov 04 23:39:08 * koen heads to bed Nov 04 23:39:10 'night all Nov 04 23:39:39 koen: openmoko need year of development... Nov 04 23:39:41 by koen Nov 04 23:39:45 bye koen Nov 04 23:39:49 ~lart my keyboard Nov 04 23:39:49 * ibot gets a hotmal account and SPAMs my keyboard **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 05 02:59:57 2007