**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 10 02:59:57 2007 Dec 10 07:59:20 03john_lee 07org.oe.dev * r4dc379aa... 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Integrate helper scripts into meta-toolchain-openmoko. Dec 10 07:59:25 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf972c41c... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): uboot-openmoko: undo mickey damage that broke *everyones* build due to parse errors Dec 10 08:18:24 morning all ! Dec 10 08:18:55 'morning all Dec 10 08:18:59 i'm doing some work to include a touchdriver for xorg in OE Dec 10 08:19:07 this driver require imake ... Dec 10 08:19:08 morning Dec 10 08:19:25 but nothing provide imake-native ... how can i do ? Dec 10 08:19:32 mornig koen hrw Dec 10 08:22:25 gremlin[it]: add an xutils-dev-native Dec 10 08:25:18 thank koen ! Dec 10 08:26:39 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rca41b6c5... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux.inc): Dec 10 08:26:39 linux.inc: do_deploy changes: Dec 10 08:26:39 * remove DATETIME from filename, PV+PR should be enough Dec 10 08:26:39 * name modules.tgz the same the kernel image to avoid confusion Dec 10 08:26:39 This implements the proposal from Paul S. that received no objections Dec 10 08:26:46 oh no ... u mean i have to write a new .bb !!! :( ... Dec 10 08:35:13 hi greentux Dec 10 08:37:17 hmm, i cannot compile qemu ... it fails with that : http://rafb.net/p/0NBjWh89.html Dec 10 08:37:33 did someone had the same problem ? Dec 10 08:47:57 otavio: hey Dec 10 08:48:07 otavio: I just returned from india :) Dec 10 08:51:15 good morning all Dec 10 08:51:48 zecke: was it good for you? Dec 10 08:52:07 it was awesome Dec 10 08:52:35 eek: mtn: warning: resolve non-content conflicts and then try again. Dec 10 08:52:46 zecke: tell us, tell us! Dec 10 08:55:27 heh, the openmoko toolchain violates the GPL *and* MIT licenses Dec 10 08:57:30 koen: in which ways? Dec 10 08:57:45 koen: I will update the om stuff to the new API but.... I need to wake up Dec 10 08:58:08 no GPL license in files from ipkg-utils, no COPYING.MIT from OE, while they include autotools.bbclass, etc Dec 10 08:58:22 wow pidgin doesn't start as NM has an installation bug... Dec 10 09:03:18 otavio: the cron job seems to work... Dec 10 09:04:27 good morning Dec 10 09:05:13 otavio: but the script broke... Dec 10 09:08:25 zecke: should webkit SRCREVs be bumped accross all flavours? Dec 10 09:14:51 koen: no, I need to move the qt* over to git. Dec 10 09:15:49 koen: but the good thing is I have put Linux on my macbook, working on OE is more easy now (even when being disconnected) Dec 10 09:16:00 koen: bad thing is, I need to migrate everything :) Dec 10 09:17:57 zecke: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7b4c75571cbf3eb17d4f23415d78de70.png Dec 10 09:18:15 zecke: that's midori on an AIGLX accelerated screen on my Efika Dec 10 09:18:21 (OE-built of course) Dec 10 09:19:02 XorA|gone: running midori 0.12 under catchsegv fixes the segfault when starting it over ssh Dec 10 09:19:56 * XorA|gone WTF's Dec 10 09:20:10 indeed Dec 10 09:21:15 koen: cool (and I love your 'fixes') Dec 10 09:21:36 you mean 'ugly hacks' :) Dec 10 09:22:12 koen: man both gnome and kde are both ugly compared to OSX :} Dec 10 09:25:57 zecke: tried leopard yet? Dec 10 09:26:20 zecke: the terminal now tries to do linewrapping, but fails, so you always have a blank bottom line Dec 10 09:26:58 koen: yeah, I have leaopard installed. evolution sucks, kmail is doing a bit better. pidgin and kopete are butt ugly compared to adium... Dec 10 09:33:01 "I note that I always test for __i386__ and friends, because #defining i386 or arm is just too dangerous. But the gcc guys do it anyway." - http://landley.net/notes.html Dec 10 09:33:49 koen: I'm not familiar with legal stuffs. could u suggest the proper way to put in the license text/file ? Dec 10 09:34:30 well, right now you need to take down the toolchains Dec 10 09:35:02 and redistribute it with proper license ? Dec 10 09:35:33 koen: proper license included, I mean. Dec 10 09:35:43 I think so Dec 10 09:35:58 koen: so, where can I put in, for example, COPYING.MIT ? Dec 10 09:36:17 koen: somewhere in the tarball and point to it in the script comment ? Dec 10 09:36:21 dunno, you'd have to ask your lawyers on how to do it properly Dec 10 09:36:57 koen: there must be some sort of conventions for this kind of stuff Dec 10 09:37:22 yes, but there might be more problems in that toolchain Dec 10 09:37:35 koen: that complex ? Dec 10 09:38:58 yes Dec 10 09:39:46 I saw you were missing some files (e.g copying.mit), but you'd have to ask someone like Harald on how to include them properly Dec 10 09:40:09 and I suspect openmoko inc. would like a disclaimer attached to the toolchain as well Dec 10 09:40:54 koen: yes, Harald will be the one.... Dec 10 09:41:07 koen: thanks Dec 10 09:41:41 johncylee: sorry for being not very helpfull, but I really don't know enough on how to get it 100% right Dec 10 09:42:52 koen: any gain from my original 0% right is great I suppose. Dec 10 10:03:26 yo Dec 10 10:05:25 Genesis: bonjour Dec 10 10:06:06 ant|work950 : do you find something about our discussion ? Dec 10 10:09:38 Genesis: you mean the QA errors? Dec 10 10:14:38 Genesis: i updated bug 3276 Dec 10 10:22:24 ant|work950 : you said ? sorry i was disconnecting Dec 10 10:22:44 Genesis: look at bug 3276 Dec 10 10:23:55 oki thx Dec 10 10:26:28 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r78f14fc9... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux.inc): Dec 10 10:26:28 linux.inc: introduce CMDLINE_DEBUG to hide or show kernel messages Dec 10 10:26:28 * controlled by DISTRO_TYPE Dec 10 10:26:28 * You can define CMDLINE_DEBUG in your local.conf or distro.conf to override this behaviour Dec 10 11:22:15 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r5e862ccc... 10/ (1 packages/meta/meta-toolchain.bb): meta-toolchain: use FEED_ARCH in tarball-name Dec 10 11:39:09 koen: just curious: I thought I only committed openmoko-toolchain-scripts to mtn.om ? Dec 10 11:40:38 maybe mickey|zzZZzz synced it to oe.org Dec 10 11:41:09 after he broke everything Dec 10 11:41:39 koen: I got the hunch that I don't want to know the details... Dec 10 11:42:08 he removed a file which was still needed and that caused parse errors Dec 10 11:42:23 so noone could do a build because parsing went wrong Dec 10 11:48:08 hi all again Dec 10 11:50:03 issue : if i build for example `bitbake libgnoemcanvas` it build also glib gtk+ libglade and so on ... but is generated only the libgnomecanvas ipk packages ... how i can from command make all depend packages be packed ? Dec 10 11:50:26 -c buildall Dec 10 11:50:34 or inherit rm_work Dec 10 11:50:56 thanks koen ! Dec 10 11:51:22 the former is better ... i don't want to touch metadata for such small thing Dec 10 11:56:16 koen: do you remember in roadmap/files/cross.patch why you +STRIP = echo? Dec 10 11:56:33 yes, package.bbclass handles stripping Dec 10 11:56:59 if the makefile strips it we can't package the debug data into -dbg packages Dec 10 11:59:13 koen: got it, thanks. Dec 10 12:00:29 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r05f19a77... 10/ (1 packages/zaurus-updater/zaurus-updater/updater.sh): updater: reformat (please use space not tabs) Dec 10 12:00:34 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb9d72c3b... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): zaurus-updater: fixed JFFS2: wrong bitmask problems (some code needs to run only on Tosa and Poodle) Dec 10 12:03:09 zecke: hi Dec 10 12:03:21 zecke: i've just returned from WE Dec 10 12:03:34 otavio: hey, I need to fix my script. this is a after work task though :) Dec 10 12:03:49 zecke: that's nice, no problem Dec 10 12:03:54 zecke: but please ... do :-) Dec 10 12:14:32 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r44e174b3... 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): bluez: add 3.23 releases Dec 10 12:48:04 hi lumag Dec 10 12:48:10 & chouimat Dec 10 12:48:11 evening! Dec 10 12:48:13 hi hrw Dec 10 12:48:24 re Dec 10 12:49:43 lumag: new updater for testing Dec 10 12:50:04 hey hrw Dec 10 12:51:25 yes, I saw it. I'll try today or tomorrow. Don't want to trash my / during new kernels testing. Dec 10 12:51:59 its broken on tosa/poodle ;( just found Dec 10 12:52:40 pushing fix Dec 10 13:01:16 hrw: your commit doesn't show up :( Dec 10 13:02:45 because it was just pushed Dec 10 13:05:14 hello Dec 10 13:05:37 folks, is there a native subversion package somewhere that i can run for openmoko? Dec 10 13:05:44 where should the dependency on (u-boot's) mkimage be expressed? In the machine, or in the kernel for the machine? Dec 10 13:05:56 i.e. anyone know how i can get svn-native onboard, fast, when i don't have much time? Dec 10 13:06:28 torpor: cd org.openembedded.dev ; find . | grep subversion Dec 10 13:07:38 likewise: if your kernel uses linux.inc, you get mkimage automagically, but if we merge the cset from poky it will trigger on linux.inc combined with KERNEL_IMAGE= "uImage" Dec 10 13:08:12 mpc8313e-rdb uses linux-2.6.23, which uses linux.inc, but mkimage is not made. Dec 10 13:08:29 I'ld like to fix that Dec 10 13:09:52 likewise: sounds like something is wrong with your OE checkout :( Dec 10 13:10:17 likewise: check line 7-9 from linux.inc Dec 10 13:10:54 koen: yes, I see, strange, I just did a fully fresh build... Let me see again. Dec 10 13:11:05 likewise: koen, that happened here the other day as well Dec 10 13:11:07 I do see a bug with the mpc stuff Dec 10 13:11:40 XorA|gone: I get the sympton that the kernel will build without building the cross toolchain first Dec 10 13:12:09 koen: append without space? Dec 10 13:12:22 yes Dec 10 13:12:24 koen: heh heh cool Dec 10 13:12:30 pushing a fix for the space Dec 10 13:14:53 XorA|gone: http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=3565&action=edit Dec 10 13:18:14 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb075adcf... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): zaurus-updater: fix shell error visible on tosa/poodle Dec 10 13:18:19 03koen 07org.oe.dev * racccc484... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux_2.6.23.bb): linux 2.6.23: _append requires a leading space Dec 10 13:29:05 koen: all i can find is the host-version of it .. i want native. Dec 10 13:29:23 but anyway i'll just solve the lack of svn with rsync+Makefile for now.. ;) Dec 10 13:29:47 ah, I interpreted your 'onboard' as 'on the devboard' Dec 10 13:29:56 no i want it native Dec 10 13:30:01 as in, on my neo1973. Dec 10 13:30:39 i'm abandoning cross-compiling, see.. thoroughly. but i'm using OE/moko as a bridge until i can do an onboard build.. Dec 10 13:31:21 torpor: subversion for armv4t is in the angstrom unstable feeds Dec 10 13:31:46 which the OM users have been to stupid to figure out (according to the '3rd party feeds' wiki) Dec 10 13:31:55 yeah i still don't know how to get access to those by way of my mokomakefile environment, which is why i was looking for a direct ipk link, but okay i'll go do a find with google .. Dec 10 13:32:08 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=subversion Dec 10 13:32:10 koen: its not that we're 'too stupid', its a matter of polution uncertainty. Dec 10 13:32:29 openmoko is based on angstrom Dec 10 13:32:32 since OM is still a vibrant emerging budding little bug of a worm, we don't wanna throw too much dirt at it yet. Dec 10 13:32:35 yeah, duh. Dec 10 13:32:55 if OM wasn't a fork, we wouldn't be having this conversation .;) Dec 10 13:33:50 thanks, this is what i need:http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/base/subversion_1.4.0-r1_armv4t.ipk Dec 10 13:36:31 echo http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/ >> /etc/ipkg/base-feeds.conf Dec 10 13:37:03 echo src/gz base http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/ >> /etc/ipkg/base-feeds.conf Dec 10 13:37:09 ^^ for the non-idiot OM users... Dec 10 13:38:36 torpor: well, I've told people in #openmoko multiple times on how to do that, but I guess I needed to wrap it in a makefile for them to get it Dec 10 13:44:15 koen: well no need to get snooty, its just that the openmoko folks maybe don't want to have to think about adding more repo's to get a broader set of apps, yet, and the reason for that may not be idiocy or stupidity, but brand loyalty, translated through the motions of the distro being in bit of flux until gta02 hits the scene. Dec 10 13:45:16 the 3rd party wiki page tells another story Dec 10 13:48:25 koen: There's no mention of the oe feeds in the wiki Dec 10 13:48:43 there's no such thing as oe feeds Dec 10 13:48:45 Was just about to add it Dec 10 13:48:58 Ok, oe repo then? Dec 10 13:49:24 you mean org.openembedded.dev? Dec 10 13:49:25 ångrtröm.. Dec 10 13:49:55 right, angstrom has feeds Dec 10 13:50:19 :) Dec 10 13:50:29 including a search engine: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ Dec 10 13:51:28 CM: a few months ago bmidgley needed python and python modules for his bluez work, so I sent a mail to openmoko-devel on how to add the angstrom feeds to get python stuff Dec 10 13:52:04 CM: and a few months later some people triomfanticly claim to be the first to have /usr/bin/python on a neo Dec 10 13:53:45 amusingly I was probably the first to get most of this crap on the neo, as I had angstrom on it while it was still a secret device Dec 10 13:54:56 pavelmachek-isms like installing debian in a chroot because he couldn't figure out 'ipkg install bash' are hilarious as well Dec 10 13:59:15 morning Dec 10 14:07:30 yo mickey Dec 10 14:08:37 bbl Dec 10 14:09:53 safsa Dec 10 14:09:55 mickeyl: good morning Dec 10 14:11:09 morning likewise Dec 10 14:17:41 morning mickeyl Dec 10 14:17:48 hi lumag Dec 10 14:18:40 mickeyl, hrw once told me, that I can ask you to lend me tosa jacket for testing... Dec 10 14:19:03 yes, i can do that. send me a mail with your snail mail address and I'm going to ship it to you Dec 10 14:19:08 mickey@vanille.de Dec 10 14:20:43 sent Dec 10 14:20:50 thank you :) Dec 10 14:41:10 Good afternoon Dec 10 14:44:02 hi sirfred Dec 10 14:44:18 yo sirfred Dec 10 14:44:20 long time no see Dec 10 14:44:26 everything good at your end? Dec 10 14:44:35 hrw, mickeyl: Hey Dec 10 14:44:58 mickeyl: Very busy at job. Yes, everything good, thanks. How is it going ? Dec 10 14:45:35 Just with some spare time to spend, and wanted to keep in contact again with oe Dec 10 14:45:49 i think pretty well Dec 10 14:45:53 OE grows and grows Dec 10 14:46:03 not just size-wise, but also stability (imo) Dec 10 14:46:11 and we're about to found a foundation (sic) Dec 10 14:46:12 mickeyl: Good to hear Dec 10 14:46:40 mickeyl: I managed to burn yesterday a recent angstrom image in my ancient c760. Dec 10 14:46:53 To say the truth, not much progress in that field. Dec 10 14:47:23 yeah Dec 10 14:47:37 true Dec 10 14:47:44 I expected some improvements in the interface, but the old monsters are still there Dec 10 14:47:45 no one likes polishing Dec 10 14:47:49 well Dec 10 14:47:53 you should have tried an openmoko image Dec 10 14:48:05 yo koen Dec 10 14:48:33 openmoko image will probably go out when I finally finish the 'no root' RFC Dec 10 14:49:20 koen my problem earlier was the dreaded sh->dash problem :( Dec 10 14:49:44 Doesn't the sanity checker barf on dash anymore? Dec 10 14:49:44 mickeyl: but for how long current openmoko stuff will be keeped? its 2nd version and what if someone will decide 'we need 3rd one'? Dec 10 14:49:48 mickeyl: Is openmoko intended for phones, pda or both? Dec 10 14:49:52 bmidgley: bluez question: should 'hcitool scan' resolve names Dec 10 14:49:53 ? Dec 10 14:50:14 is it possible to ask bitbake what package provides another? Dec 10 14:50:15 sirfred: openmoko is intended only for the neo1973 Dec 10 14:50:20 my new ubuntu host couldn't build usable gumstix images... its /bin/sh pointed to dash Dec 10 14:50:20 hrw: as long as the community keeps it. it's open source Dec 10 14:50:43 sirfred: primarily for (smart)phones, but most stuff runs fine on any pda Dec 10 14:50:56 koen hcitool scan tries to resolve names Dec 10 14:51:11 not with 3.22 on ARM Dec 10 14:51:19 koen finding the device and resolving the name are separate and iirc the name resolution can time out Dec 10 14:51:34 I think that gpe itself could be improved in the c7x0, for example, using 64x64 icons, for example. Dec 10 14:51:40 I only get MAC addresses for all my devices here Dec 10 14:51:42 mickeyl: is it possible to ask bitbake what package provides another? Dec 10 14:52:04 hrw: can you give me an example? Dec 10 14:52:14 koen: 3.22 here on x86 - names are too Dec 10 14:52:39 mickeyl: package A provides C, package B provides C - how to get that info? Dec 10 14:53:02 ah Dec 10 14:53:06 isn't that like Dec 10 14:53:09 It seems that suspend/resume no longer works in the c7x0 Dec 10 14:53:09 bb -i Dec 10 14:53:12 which ? Dec 10 14:53:29 bmidgley: it seems it's indeed the timeout Dec 10 14:53:35 bmidgley: a second scan worked Dec 10 14:53:48 Perhaps the problem is that less people is interested in c7x0 support Dec 10 14:54:28 yeah Dec 10 14:54:34 there was always a problem of low level people Dec 10 14:54:40 or rather lack of, Dec 10 14:55:04 and when gadgets grow older, these numbers get smaller Dec 10 14:55:12 XorA|gone no longer does any Zaurus work Dec 10 14:55:16 i don't Dec 10 14:55:23 RP has almost no time Dec 10 14:55:26 mickeyl: Yes, he told me he sold his c860 Dec 10 14:55:38 I prefer to do other things then using Zauruses Dec 10 14:58:00 Yes, perhaps the c7x0 time has passed, but it's a pitty we never have been able to exploit all its potential Dec 10 14:58:25 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rc3798123... 10/ (1 packages/e17/expedite_cvs.bb): expedite cvs fix version number, add rdependencies on necessary evas low level modules Dec 10 14:58:33 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r04e47908... 10/ (1 packages/efl1/evas.inc packages/efl1/evas_cvs.bb): evas cvs use PACKAGE_DYNAMIC to announce individual low level modules Dec 10 14:58:48 sirfred: right Dec 10 14:59:13 koen: you might like bluetooth-proximity in bluez-gnome package... shows everything in a window with callback updates Dec 10 14:59:14 if Nokia was more open, N810 could be a proper successor Dec 10 14:59:21 instead of long timeouts like hcitool scan Dec 10 15:00:13 so, if I want to try the full xserver instead of kdrive, shouldn't I just have to change the preferred provider in the distro file and in my image file? What else do I need to do to change it over? (I am having an issue with kdrive and want to see if the full xorg works or not) Dec 10 15:01:08 mickeyl: n810 do not exists Dec 10 15:01:21 there is no such thing as n810/n800/770 Dec 10 15:01:28 at least according to Nokia Poland ;D Dec 10 15:01:40 hrw: Should your zaurus-updater today commit fix the problem flashing the c760? Dec 10 15:01:51 hrw: you better give back that one you were donated then Dec 10 15:01:56 bmidgley: 'hcitool scan --refresh' can't get names Dec 10 15:02:02 bmidgley: I only get 'n/a' Dec 10 15:02:11 sirfred: yes Dec 10 15:02:19 hrw: Thanks a lot. I will test it. Dec 10 15:02:20 sirfred: it works on my c760 and on OE tosa Dec 10 15:02:29 hrw: Nice to hear Dec 10 15:02:45 it was tosa fix what broke it Dec 10 15:02:47 hrw: BTW, have you tested a recent angstrom image on your c760 ? Dec 10 15:02:58 sirfred: just booted console-image today Dec 10 15:03:00 hrw: Mine is never able to resume Dec 10 15:03:06 I do not use zaurus devices Dec 10 15:03:11 hrw: Did you tried to suspend? Dec 10 15:03:28 let me boot it Dec 10 15:03:32 hrw: Thanks. Dec 10 15:03:35 sirfred: Poky works ok on c7x0 Dec 10 15:03:58 koen: fy_NL? Dec 10 15:04:01 hrw: I'm not very happy with the new interface. Dec 10 15:04:06 hrw: The sato engine Dec 10 15:04:45 sirfred: my c760 just suspended and resumed without problems Dec 10 15:04:50 koen: hcid should be caching this stuff, so overlapping scans should be helping to complete the picture (or confuse it) Dec 10 15:04:50 * hrw has to go Dec 10 15:04:52 bye Dec 10 15:04:55 hrw: Thanks. Dec 10 15:05:00 hrw: fryslan, a province in .nl that insist on having their own language Dec 10 15:05:05 ok Dec 10 15:05:10 thx koen Dec 10 15:05:23 below sealevel as well Dec 10 15:05:37 koen: It's also spoken in some regions of Denmark and Germany, isn't it? Dec 10 15:09:36 sirfred: yeah, Germany should have a part called 'Ost-friesland' Dec 10 15:10:19 t's not on my list of favourite parts of .nl Dec 10 15:10:34 How come? Dec 10 15:10:54 the people there are even more obnoxious as french-speaking belgians Dec 10 15:11:27 the land is also completely flat and used as farmland Dec 10 15:11:39 Isn't the whole nl completely flat? Dec 10 15:11:47 so 80% of friesland smells like manure Dec 10 15:11:57 sirfred: there's flat and _flat_ Dec 10 15:11:57 :) Dec 10 15:12:04 koen: Allright Dec 10 15:12:51 it's not all bad, though Dec 10 15:12:59 my girlfriend was born there :) Dec 10 15:13:06 :) Dec 10 15:13:20 in the only town that speaks dutch instead of frysian Dec 10 15:14:11 What's openmoko using as graphic backend? directfb? Dec 10 15:18:32 * Crofton|home wishes all of .eu spoke elnglish and used the pound :) Dec 10 15:19:03 of course, then they would argue over the "proper accent" Dec 10 15:19:04 Crofton|home: lend me some troops ;-) Dec 10 15:19:18 And deprecate the metric system, of course Dec 10 15:19:21 ours are all tied up at the moment .... Dec 10 15:19:24 well Dec 10 15:19:28 keep the metric system Dec 10 15:19:42 keep the UK pint, its bigger than the US or EU one Dec 10 15:19:51 +1 for that Dec 10 15:19:52 * koen imagines doing signal processing using imperial measuers Dec 10 15:20:08 koen, exactly Dec 10 15:20:22 all signal processing is done in units of 2PI anyway Dec 10 15:20:25 try statics + dynamics also Dec 10 15:20:31 true Dec 10 15:22:37 hrw|gone: and I wonder how much it will cost in Poland :P it's 450EUR in Germany http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=3752591&culture=de-DE Dec 10 15:22:47 I had to surpress the tendency to rewrite jΩ as jOMG last week Dec 10 15:24:01 bah so the .de guys can use their discount codes :-( Dec 10 15:25:32 and even cheaper one, ~415EUR http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=293639 Dec 10 15:27:33 XorA|gone: did you see http://www.atoker.com/blog/2007/12/08/html5-media-support-with-gstreamer/ yet? Dec 10 15:28:08 koen: heh heh Dec 10 15:30:16 I have a generic question: I'm cleaning up the Tosa keyboard stuff. And for some keys I want to use generic key definitions (from linux/input_pda.h). How should I deal with keycode changes? Dec 10 15:36:10 does anyone know if xorg-xserver can be used with the framebuffer? I have tried loading up X and all I get is that no screens are found...and I want to test this out!!! Dec 10 15:36:36 you need to install xf86-video-fbdev and create an xorg.conf Dec 10 15:36:45 or run Xorg -configure Dec 10 15:37:28 tried the configure and it said it failed. I didn't have the xf86-video-fbdev in there. Dec 10 15:37:34 that will work with arm as well, right? Dec 10 15:38:48 RP: ping Dec 10 15:40:16 I'll give that a shot. thanks. So, nothing that will be needed in xorg.conf to point it to the framebuffer? Dec 10 15:42:17 i've got this really weird situation where any animation, or even the mouse pointer, will show the edges of its boundaries on a box ...and will overwrite what is behind it in effect. Dec 10 15:42:25 and I wanted to see if the full server had the same issue or not Dec 10 15:49:55 koen: tried your suggestion and it is further. I now get a list of video drivers with fbdev, but it tells me no devices to configure. Dec 10 15:50:13 there is a section for "Device" where fbdev is a driver underneath Dec 10 16:01:37 anyone have a xorg.conf file that works with xorg-xserver on a fbdev device that I can use? Dec 10 16:32:34 Hmm, curious, it seems that c760 console freezes after some time. Dec 10 16:33:05 * * OE Bug 3446 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by manuel.teira(AT)telefonica.net Dec 10 16:33:07 * *  zaurus-updater changes have broken flashing on zaurus c760 Dec 10 16:33:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3446 Dec 10 16:33:40 If I'm under X I'm not aware, but I've disabled X setting the default runlevel to 4, and after some time, it freezes. If I connect/disconnect the usb cable, some logs are printed though, but the keyboard no longer responds. Dec 10 17:08:35 does anyone know if there is a joydev module in the feed for spitz? i tried grepping for it and didn't see it Dec 10 17:09:53 bye Dec 10 17:13:02 ~seen RP Dec 10 17:13:05 rp is currently on #oe (1d 4h 31m 10s) #openmoko (1d 4h 31m 10s) #openzaurus (1d 4h 31m 10s). Has said a total of 11 messages. Is idling for 21h 30m 7s, last said: 'sirfred: :)'. Dec 10 17:19:36 !logs Dec 10 17:19:38 Channel logs for #oe are archived at: Dec 10 17:19:39 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23oe Dec 10 17:19:40 Live-logs are available at Dec 10 17:19:41 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23oe.livelog Dec 10 17:19:43 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Dec 10 18:15:18 sirfred: suspend/resume working here on SL-C860 Dec 10 18:15:42 sirfred: BUT broken when powered Dec 10 18:15:50 ant_: Curious, I got it working after downgrading to 2.6.22 Dec 10 18:15:56 sirfred: you had usb? Dec 10 18:16:14 sirfred: I tried now with AC adapter Dec 10 18:16:21 srfred: black... Dec 10 18:16:41 sirfred: disconnected from AC resumed 5 times Dec 10 18:16:52 ant_: It's not a suspend/resume problem after all, it's just that after some time, the console just locks. Dec 10 18:17:15 sirfred: check the brightness settings Dec 10 18:17:23 sirfred: mine was on 2 Dec 10 18:17:33 ant_: Nothing to do with that, I was testing without X Dec 10 18:17:39 Just on bare console Dec 10 18:17:41 sirfred: let me reboot the Z... Dec 10 18:18:03 sirfred: Which kernel? Dec 10 18:18:17 hvontres|work: linux-rp 2.6.23 Dec 10 18:18:18 sirfred: latest (2.6.23) Dec 10 18:18:24 hvontres|work: It works on 2.6.22 though Dec 10 18:19:46 sirfred: hmmm...I remember getting some strange lockups on poodle as well.. But I wound up downgrading to 2.6.17 for now. All kernels above 2.6.17 corrupt the frame buffer on resume for pools Dec 10 18:20:03 I flashed x11-gpe-image (angstrom-2008.1) and kernel (rp-2.6.23), downgrade defaultrunlevel to 4 Dec 10 18:20:14 And after some time (one minute or so) the console got locked Dec 10 18:20:21 Always Dec 10 18:20:45 If I'm on X, I don't have any problem, but if I want to suspend/resume, frozen, probably because it's going through the text vty Dec 10 18:20:47 sirfred: you might want to run a make menuconfig. I had some strange problems with 2.6.23 and the 2.6.17 defcofnig file Dec 10 18:20:58 hvontres|work: I'm fine by now with 2.6.22 Dec 10 18:21:20 Just want to check that it works fine. THen, will investigate further Dec 10 18:21:33 sirfred: I had issues with "auto dim level" in power-settings Dec 10 18:21:54 sirfred: you might want to drop koen a line to downgrade the c7xx kernel in angstrom to 2.6.22 for now Dec 10 18:21:57 sirfred: like I said 2% is black Dec 10 18:22:28 ant_: Yes, the brightness is another bitch Dec 10 18:22:47 If I'm not careful, I'm able to put the screen black, and it's hard to restore it to a visible level of brightness. Dec 10 18:23:16 hvontres|work: I don't know if the 2007.1 is using 2.6.33 also. 2008.1 is intended for testing, brave men and so on :) Dec 10 18:23:22 I mean 2.6.23 Dec 10 18:23:49 sirfred: IIRC, 2007.1 uses 2.6.23 by default Dec 10 18:24:12 hvontres|work: ok, It should be better to have something else reproducing the issue. Dec 10 18:24:17 ant_: Are you suffering the same problem? Dec 10 18:24:18 sirfred: at least it did for poodle until recently Dec 10 18:24:38 sirfred: I'm in console but at normal runlevel... Dec 10 18:24:41 ant_: Have you tried to, for example, kill X, using ctrl+alt+backspace Dec 10 18:24:59 sirfred: yes, works Dec 10 18:25:04 sirfred: BTW, how familiar are you with pxafb stuff? Dec 10 18:25:13 Humm, that freezes mine inconditionally Dec 10 18:25:27 hvontres|work: I'm not familiar with that. Dec 10 18:25:37 hvontres|work: Only touched some imageon stuff Dec 10 18:26:18 ant_: You're using 2.6.23, aren't you? Dec 10 18:26:36 Do you have loaded the g_ether module? Dec 10 18:26:41 sirfred: yes, my image. Dec 10 18:26:51 sirfred: from yesterday Dec 10 18:26:59 I was suspecting that perhaps g_ether could be the guilty Dec 10 18:27:18 But without any logical reason Dec 10 18:27:54 sirfred: I patched my conf like in OE #3428 Dec 10 18:28:01 sirfred: np. I'm looking for somebody to help me figure out http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120 Dec 10 18:28:05 sirfred: only this change Dec 10 18:28:41 sirfred: and indeed xserver-kdrive-imageon Dec 10 18:29:18 Hum, I didn't change anything and my image is using xserver-kdrive-imageon Dec 10 18:30:40 sirfred: recently bl was changed... Dec 10 18:37:07 sirfred: when you were working on Imageon stuff, did you ever see something like this: http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=1345 Dec 10 18:37:37 No, I've seen strange patterns in the screen of course, but nothing like this Dec 10 18:38:23 sirfred: Thanks. I'm trying to figure out where to look for the source of that corruption... Dec 10 18:38:26 sirfred: in console I'v seen a major opcode...just Fn+Left Dec 10 18:38:35 sirfred: then black Dec 10 18:39:09 ant_: A major opcode? Dec 10 18:39:14 ant_: What do you mean? Dec 10 18:39:35 sirfred: Major opcode of failed request 149 (RANDR) Dec 10 18:39:49 sirfred: black again..but resumes Dec 10 18:40:18 sirfred: keep pressing On/Off Dec 10 18:40:41 Mine got freezed, it doesn't response to any key nor the on/off button Dec 10 18:40:54 But it should be the same than with the c860 Dec 10 18:41:08 sirfred: trie the x image and at login switch terminal Dec 10 18:41:17 sirfred: don't log Dec 10 18:41:50 ant_: Yes, I saw that xrandr error previously, but under 2.6.23 I'm not able to switch the vt, it freezes Dec 10 18:42:11 sirfred: i simply restart X Dec 10 18:42:54 sirfred: try also pressing Power On / Home Dec 10 18:43:16 Don't worry what I tried, even the ssh session over g_ether got freezed Dec 10 18:44:44 bonne nuit Dec 10 18:47:42 sirfred: you said you were connected with USB = power Dec 10 18:48:03 Connected over ssh to the zaurus, using the g_ether module Dec 10 18:48:15 sirfred: g_ether loaded here Dec 10 19:08:14 !logs Dec 10 19:08:15 Channel logs for #oe are archived at: Dec 10 19:08:16 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23oe Dec 10 19:08:17 Live-logs are available at Dec 10 19:08:19 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23oe.livelog Dec 10 19:08:21 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Dec 10 19:13:39 evening! Dec 10 19:15:30 hi lumag Dec 10 19:27:04 does anyone know why http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.32.mtn.bz2 points to an empty file? Dec 10 19:57:42 who uses PREFERRED_VERSION_ macro Dec 10 19:58:33 bb hmmm ./lib/bb/providers.py Dec 10 20:06:42 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r3354eba5... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): directfb 1.1.0 fix pkgconfig issue at last, clean up recipe, fix packaging Dec 10 20:06:47 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r51ba5952... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): add python-pydirectfb, Python bindings to DirectFB Dec 10 20:30:45 How do I check the dependency tree that bitbake generates Dec 10 20:31:17 I am getting glibc and eglibc being pulled in both so some package is having explicit dep on glibc which I want to nuke Dec 10 20:38:23 Khem: there's a bitbake option to return it Dec 10 20:40:39 mickeyl: ERROR: '/oe/org.openembedded.dev/packages/python/python-pygtk_2.10.4.bb' failed Dec 10 20:42:08 that's unfortunate. Dec 10 20:42:11 care to give more details? Dec 10 20:43:17 I was building wifi-radar Dec 10 20:43:32 here tail from logs: http://www.pastebin.org/11104 Dec 10 20:46:00 mickeyl: I'm on Ark Linux, was missing some python modules on host Dec 10 20:50:05 hmm Dec 10 20:50:11 python-pycairo is not getting staged Dec 10 20:50:14 for you Dec 10 20:50:21 mickeyl: do you need full logs? Dec 10 20:50:25 no Dec 10 20:50:31 bitbake python-pycairo Dec 10 20:50:33 then build pygtk again Dec 10 20:50:36 and it should work Dec 10 20:50:36 JustinP: nm got the problem sorted Dec 10 20:50:50 mickeyl: I try, thx Dec 10 20:50:58 glibc is pulled in because glibc-gconv-iso8859-1 is needed Dec 10 20:51:20 ant_: Dec 10 20:51:20 so now I need to provide that with eglibc package and it should stop pullin it Dec 10 20:51:28 Khem: well spotted Dec 10 20:51:38 ant_: got it, it's an error in my .bb Dec 10 20:51:40 *fixing* Dec 10 20:57:54 mickeyl: RDEPENDS will it work with wild chars Dec 10 20:58:12 no Dec 10 20:58:35 the gconv packages are divided into so many ipks Dec 10 20:58:48 so I have to rdepend each one manually ? Dec 10 20:59:02 what are you trying to achieve? Dec 10 20:59:25 you can always use python functions to populate the environment Dec 10 21:00:01 Actually I am trying to provide eglibc as replacement to glibc Dec 10 21:00:19 some packages use hardcoded names while asking for depends Dec 10 21:00:34 like gtk+ Dec 10 21:00:56 so I what I am doing is that I am creating RPROVIDES Dec 10 21:01:06 in eglibc package to satisfy these Dec 10 21:01:17 aah Dec 10 21:01:28 hmm, that's tough Dec 10 21:01:37 so you would need to know which iconv subpackages are emitted Dec 10 21:01:49 for now i recommend just including the complete set in RDEPENDS Dec 10 21:01:57 that's the quickest way Dec 10 21:02:02 RPROVIDES, even Dec 10 21:02:19 heh ok :) Dec 10 21:02:24 but it's a valid problem Dec 10 21:02:29 might want to consult the mailing list Dec 10 21:02:33 right Dec 10 21:02:39 i don't have an easy answer offhand :) Dec 10 21:03:02 what's the actual benefits of eglibc nowadays? Dec 10 21:03:05 just smaller? Dec 10 21:03:17 yes and more arch support Dec 10 21:03:35 current upstream glibc can not be compiled with -Os Dec 10 21:03:36 atm Dec 10 21:03:42 but we fixed eglibc Dec 10 21:03:53 to be able to be compiled with -Os Dec 10 21:03:59 how would you rate the future of uClibC vs. eglibc on embedded systems? Dec 10 21:04:16 eglibc needs a husband Dec 10 21:04:42 but it is benifitting from glibc work so it has strong potential Dec 10 21:05:13 eglibc wont go into really really embedded systems which needs some small C lib functions Dec 10 21:05:36 well, really really embedded... let's assume 128MB Ram, enough flash Dec 10 21:05:41 what then? Dec 10 21:05:57 i wonder whether uClibC is still benefitial on such systems Dec 10 21:05:57 128 Mb ram is more than what it needs for eglibc Dec 10 21:06:35 I can run it confortably on a 32 M system Dec 10 21:07:12 size of libc atm is glibc > eglibc >uclibc Dec 10 21:07:42 i see. there was a time when i was very interested in uclibc, but it looks like it has a serious maintainer issue Dec 10 21:07:49 yep Dec 10 21:08:15 eglibc has more folks working on it. Dec 10 21:08:42 memories getting cheaper I think in future people wont be that tight on memories Dec 10 21:09:05 ok, i'm interested. if you can make it a simple substitute, then I'd like to give it a go on the OpenMoko imag Dec 10 21:09:06 e Dec 10 21:09:13 so something like eglibc will be a better choice which has bit of both Dec 10 21:09:24 mickeyl: cool Dec 10 21:10:04 right now I am able to build an angstrom 2007 and 2008 images which boot on osk5912 boards Dec 10 21:10:23 nice Dec 10 21:10:33 bbiab Dec 10 21:10:49 its another libc variant you need to add in your local.conf file Dec 10 21:11:36 e.g. on ANGSTROM I do Dec 10 21:11:38 ANGSTROM_MODE = "eglibc" Dec 10 21:11:41 thats all it needs Dec 10 21:15:49 ~curse cups Dec 10 21:15:50 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, cups ! Dec 10 21:16:01 I wonder WHEN printing will WORK Dec 10 21:16:06 fuck Dec 10 21:16:22 hrw: one day Dec 10 21:17:21 chouimat|work: in 2087 when linux will be totally forgotten Dec 10 21:17:36 ~seen RP Dec 10 21:17:41 rp is currently on #oe (1d 8h 35m 45s) #openmoko (1d 8h 35m 45s) #openzaurus (1d 8h 35m 45s). Has said a total of 11 messages. Is idling for 1d 1h 34m 42s, last said: 'sirfred: :)'. Dec 10 21:17:55 hrw: true we will use the first stable and bug free version of Vista Dec 10 21:18:52 can someone shed some light on how PROVIDES and DEPEDS are generated for external-toolchain Dec 10 21:21:14 hrw: what printer are you trying to get to work? Dec 10 21:21:43 hrw: it will work the day after we really go paperless :) Dec 10 21:21:43 hvontres|work: the one which worked for me for over a year Dec 10 21:22:51 root@home:/dev# chmod 777 usb* Dec 10 21:22:54 this helps Dec 10 21:22:57 ARGHHHHH Dec 10 21:23:00 fscking cups Dec 10 21:23:05 and fucking sane Dec 10 21:23:27 if cups then root:lpadmin but then sane wants root:scanner Dec 10 21:23:28 ARGH Dec 10 21:23:36 ~curse debian for this crap Dec 10 21:23:37 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, debian for this crap ! Dec 10 21:23:40 ~curse cursing Dec 10 21:23:41 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, cursing ! Dec 10 21:25:49 chouimat|work: would that be MontaVista ? Dec 10 21:26:30 hvontres|work: no M$ it will take them 80 years to fix those bugs err features Dec 10 21:27:34 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rb38827e0... 10/ (1 packages/python/python-pygtk_2.10.4.bb): python-pygtk 2.10.4 python-pycairo is actually a build time dependency Dec 10 21:27:44 mickeyl: solved Dec 10 21:28:28 mickeyl: thx Dec 10 21:32:04 by Dec 10 22:10:27 * gcl is getting very frustrated Dec 10 22:10:55 I'm getting this error message on a ppc 83xx build: Dec 10 22:10:56 | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-boot: Dec 10 22:10:56 | base-passwd busybox initscripts modutils-initscripts netbase udev sysvinit sysvinit-pidof tinylogin Dec 10 22:15:07 yet all those packages exist as .ipk files under tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/ppc603e Dec 10 22:15:37 anyone have suggestions on where to look to debug this? Dec 10 22:41:08 does someone has an idea why I can have been problems with keyboard? I've opened xev on the machine to test and it gets 0x0, NoSymbol for Delete and a lot of other keys too Dec 10 22:41:16 basic keys does work Dec 10 23:16:46 mickeyl: U there? Dec 10 23:16:53 kind of Dec 10 23:17:19 mickeyl: there are strange issues with QA and other checks... Dec 10 23:17:42 yeah, lots of recipes need package improvements Dec 10 23:17:49 mickeyl: hope false positives Dec 10 23:18:14 mickeyl: possibly the changes to package staging are not reflected in the checks Dec 10 23:18:16 no, most of the time it's actually packaging problems which are a bit annoying to fix Dec 10 23:18:25 hmm Dec 10 23:18:29 give me an example Dec 10 23:18:33 http://www.pastebin.org/11121 Dec 10 23:19:03 libstdc++.la failed sanity test (reference to workdir or installed) Dec 10 23:19:05 ah these things Dec 10 23:19:13 i have no idea 'bout these Dec 10 23:19:28 i don't know who's actually using -dev packages atm. Dec 10 23:19:38 mickeyl: Couldn't find shared library provider Dec 10 23:19:49 mickeyl: this is nasty Dec 10 23:20:01 i think this is an upstream problem Dec 10 23:20:07 probably misue of libtool / autotools Dec 10 23:20:53 mickeyl: exactly see OE bug 3276 Dec 10 23:21:46 yeah Dec 10 23:22:01 i can't comment on that, since I'm not a toolchain expert Dec 10 23:22:20 hopefully someone will Dec 10 23:23:13 *ant thinks: (this kind of thing never happened to me using Gentoo) Dec 10 23:23:35 well Dec 10 23:23:39 it's a cross-compiling thing Dec 10 23:23:50 xcompiling is inherently so much more complicated Dec 10 23:24:08 so it's no wonder it doesn't happen if you compile natively Dec 10 23:26:20 mickeyl: my bible was http://dev.gentoo.org/~vapier/eh/ Dec 10 23:26:30 ~seen ggilbert Dec 10 23:26:32 ggilbert is currently on #oe #wowace #wowwiki, last said: 'I've had some interesting fun, like when it decided to just stop recognizing my sound blaster live in WoW'. Dec 10 23:26:38 mickeyl: it sort of worked... Dec 10 23:26:39 ggilbert: ping Dec 10 23:27:12 looks nice Dec 10 23:27:20 ant: your libtool is not behaving Dec 10 23:27:25 ant: what host are u on Dec 10 23:28:04 Khem: Ark Linux Dec 10 23:28:22 Khem: gcc 3.3.5 Dec 10 23:28:27 ant: hmmm Dec 10 23:28:28 Khem: sic Dec 10 23:28:47 * Khem never used that old gcc recently Dec 10 23:29:15 Khem: 4.3.0 doesn't compile qemu and quemu 0.82 wont work for arm Dec 10 23:29:45 Khem: apart this 4.3.0 was almost ok Dec 10 23:29:46 3.4 works Dec 10 23:30:07 Khem: I found it in the *obsoleted* packages Dec 10 23:30:59 Khem: seems working to me Dec 10 23:32:09 ant: it it possible for you to use say gcc 3.4.x Dec 10 23:32:30 Khem: I have to compile it myself Dec 10 23:34:56 Khem: BTW glibc 2.6.1, libtool 1.5.24 Dec 10 23:40:23 I am using angstrom2008 and I dont see this problem Dec 10 23:40:33 by host is ubuntu 7.10 Dec 10 23:41:40 Khem: thanks for the report Dec 10 23:41:48 ok, what is this nonsense about telling people not to merge heads anymore? Dec 10 23:42:09 OE is getting crazier by the bloody minute. Dec 10 23:42:43 Khem: other people have seen the same logs and they weren't on Ark Linux... Dec 10 23:43:49 ant: could be one think I see is that I do not use libtool which is on my host Dec 10 23:44:14 Khem: at the very beginning ? Dec 10 23:44:38 mickeyl: yo Dec 10 23:46:44 ggilbert: heya. i think i lost my admin privileges on bugs.openembedded.org. could you take a look? Dec 10 23:46:49 also, WTF is it with some folks replacing TABs with spaces? A TAB is a bloody TAB, not 2 spaces, not spaces and not 8 spaces, but a TAB. Dec 10 23:46:49 sure thing Dec 10 23:46:53 account is mlauer@vanille-media.de Dec 10 23:46:54 thanks Dec 10 23:47:10 CoreDump: alot of .bb contains tabs Dec 10 23:47:23 ant: and bloody rightly so Dec 10 23:47:42 CoreDump: and a lot does not !!! Dec 10 23:48:05 IMO that's for the author of the .bb to decide Dec 10 23:48:27 i usually touch that stuff when i'm updating something and see that formatting is mixed (which is really bad, i don't actually care about tabs or spaces) Dec 10 23:48:33 CoreDump: I'd standardize all receipt Dec 10 23:48:35 but it is wrong to _demand_ that all TABs are made as spaces (hich is wrong on so many levels) Dec 10 23:49:07 ant: it *looks* the same so what gives? Dec 10 23:49:31 CoreDump: I'm picky Dec 10 23:49:36 People using < 8 spaces for a "TAB" / ident should be shot anyway Dec 10 23:50:24 mickeyl: Did you just change addresses? Because it was mickeyl@handhelds.org that had admin access Dec 10 23:50:38 CoreDump: soewhere I read here in OE standard are 4. Wrong? Dec 10 23:51:00 ggilbert: yeah, i did. with all the handhelds.org buzz, i decided no longer to use this domain Dec 10 23:51:20 ah k. I'll take away the rights on the old hh.o account then Dec 10 23:51:25 ggilbert: thanks Dec 10 23:51:26 ant: yes, a TAB has always been exactly _8_ spaces Dec 10 23:51:47 You should be set Dec 10 23:52:05 righto Dec 10 23:52:06 great, thanks Dec 10 23:52:11 one thing... Dec 10 23:52:26 if this idiotic trend continues, OE will force you to use a certain $EDITOR, with a certain $FONT. And a certain bloody distribution to run it Dec 10 23:52:42 ant: what is content of your .la files in question Dec 10 23:52:44 do you know how to make bugzilla send emails on every change, even if the default owner of the component is someone else? Dec 10 23:53:13 I don't, but I can find out Dec 10 23:53:33 that'd be cool. because i'd like to add some components that are maintained, but still want everything to be reported to the list as it is now Dec 10 23:53:52 Khem: looking in pastebin.. Dec 10 23:53:53 so basically you want to cc the mailing list for a component? Dec 10 23:54:07 ggilbert: yeah Dec 10 23:54:13 Ok. I'll figure that out Dec 10 23:54:16 thanks Dec 10 23:54:31 ant: it wont be there I think you have to search for them in your build dir Dec 10 23:54:53 has anyone here dealt with pctweakers.de before by chance? Dec 10 23:55:00 Khem: http://www.pastebin.org/10851 and 10849 Dec 10 23:56:13 Khem: was discussed here http://ibot.rikers.org/%23oe/20071207.html.gz Dec 11 00:03:56 CoreDump: see at the bottom... he he http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_key Dec 11 00:04:26 CoreDump: this sounds intriguing Tabs versus Spaces: An Eternal Holy War :-)) Dec 11 00:04:53 ant: nothing wrong with .la files AKAIK Dec 11 00:05:11 Khem: I think too Dec 11 00:05:50 Khem: If I would build in parallel I would say the task order is wrong: check before populate Dec 11 00:06:18 Khem: but I'm not in parallel building, just to be safe Dec 11 00:06:53 hmmm Dec 11 00:07:07 I hope your python is sane Dec 11 00:07:29 Khem: I hope too..was missing a couple of modules... Dec 11 00:08:11 ant: I like the linus torvald quote.... Dec 11 00:08:25 Khem: on host I installed python-encodings and python-ctypes Dec 11 00:08:36 CoreDump: I guessed that ! Dec 11 00:10:51 bye! Dec 11 00:11:53 me too have to sleep sometime...ciao and thx to all! Dec 11 00:34:55 morning all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 11 02:59:57 2007