**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 28 02:59:56 2007 Dec 28 03:50:59 http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t Dec 28 03:51:01 Look at Mike Huckabee's psychotic comments. Dec 28 03:51:03 Vote Mitt Romney 2008. He is a tech savvy candidate that will put the US back on track economically and help us win in Iraq and defend our borders. Dec 28 03:51:05 Mitt Romney 2008 Dec 28 04:09:43 Heh. Dec 28 04:12:51 ugh Dec 28 04:42:45 tosa kernel is getting too big with recent linux-rp-2.6.23 changes, which file should I look into Dec 28 04:43:26 Size is 1296464 Dec 28 04:44:56 defconfig-tosa? Dec 28 06:27:07 where could i get the map from serial console input to system keyboard event for uinput? Dec 28 08:59:25 good morning Dec 28 09:29:55 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r2e46e4c6... 10/ (1 classes/autotools.bbclass): (log message trimmed) Dec 28 09:29:55 applied changes from c6fac7ea20ca568a16a2b76aae0eb280f2faf7a3 Dec 28 09:29:55 through fc6211a28427a6d82895be30299c901ec3e85868 Dec 28 09:29:55 Revision: fc6211a28427a6d82895be30299c901ec3e85868 Dec 28 09:29:55 Ancestor: c6fac7ea20ca568a16a2b76aae0eb280f2faf7a3 Dec 28 09:29:56 Author: freyther at openembedded.org Dec 28 09:29:58 Date: 2007-12-27T13:37:33 Dec 28 09:30:01 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r0666c77d... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Dec 28 09:30:04 applied changes from df475b842adf853bad8285bda460dd5b55117eb2 Dec 28 09:30:06 through 58fc861e7d3a6d55876c4974fd3778a4d7452c03 Dec 28 09:30:08 Revision: 58fc861e7d3a6d55876c4974fd3778a4d7452c03 Dec 28 09:30:10 Ancestor: df475b842adf853bad8285bda460dd5b55117eb2 Dec 28 09:30:12 Author: freyther at openembedded.org Dec 28 09:30:14 Date: 2007-12-27T11:46:52 Dec 28 09:30:58 03koen 07org.oe.angstrom-2007.12-stable * r9b7076a8... 10/ (1 BACKPORTS.txt): BACKPORTS.txt: track all backports from .dev in here Dec 28 09:34:00 morning Dec 28 09:34:44 morning all Dec 28 09:35:20 hi Richard Dec 28 09:35:29 * hrw -> breakfast Dec 28 09:37:21 hrw: Whats the best working kernel version for tosa and collie atm? Dec 28 09:39:00 2.6.23 for tosa Dec 28 09:40:00 however tosa kernel bloats to Size is 1296464 byte by recent changes Dec 28 09:40:12 RP: do you know what's the cause of it? Dec 28 09:40:22 xjqia1: How recent were the changes? Dec 28 09:41:03 RP: 1 day ago, at most 2 days Dec 28 09:41:50 Enabling kexec or the atags export for kexec probably pushed it over the edge :/ Dec 28 09:44:31 RP: I guess so. the last working kernel from autobuilder is 2007/12/26 20:06:20 with 1278504 byte Dec 28 09:45:21 RP: what's the exact limit? 1280000 bytes? Dec 28 09:47:56 1294336 bytes Dec 28 09:49:00 so close Dec 28 09:50:36 I know the recent talks about replacing the Sharp bootloader to make more room for kernel image Dec 28 09:52:06 however, what's the immediate workaround to fix the current breakage Dec 28 09:54:49 xjqia1: We need to find something in the defconfig to trim down Dec 28 09:55:06 Or you can kexec off... Dec 28 09:56:02 can turn kexec off even! Dec 28 09:59:22 RP: I looked through defcofig and tried to turn couple of items from =y to =m. However, seems there's little to trim down though. I will try harder later. Dec 28 10:00:31 RP: thanks for the info. If it is not possible to get it under 1294336 bytes, I have to turg kexec off Dec 28 10:01:42 the other way is to disable everything not needed for mtd+jffs2+fb boot and move everything into modules Dec 28 10:02:07 but on tosa it means that audio is in kernel due to wm9712-ts shared with audio Dec 28 10:03:45 or go other way - remove really everything from kernel (except mtd/jffs2/kexec) and integrate minimalistic initramfs into kernel Dec 28 10:05:00 or take a look at slugos-init Dec 28 10:05:35 (but I'm only suggesting that as a last resort) Dec 28 10:06:10 hrw: for the first option: how do I make sure the disabled modules get into rootfs Dec 28 10:06:35 xjqia1: add them to tosa.conf Dec 28 10:07:41 hrw: The touchscreen isn't critical to boot, we could make that and the sound modular? Dec 28 10:08:55 I do not remember exactly why wm9712 code was put into kernel Dec 28 10:09:52 hrw:RP: can I annoy you for a while about qemu? Dec 28 10:10:05 ant|work: go Dec 28 10:10:14 hrw:RP: referring to our talk yesterday about qemu and gcc-3-check Dec 28 10:10:15 hrw:RP: you should unmask gcc-3.3.5 http://arklinux.osuosl.org/obsolete-packages/i586/gcc33-3.3.5-0.20040822.1ark.i586.rpm Dec 28 10:10:21 hrw:RP: this is ok for ArkLinux 2007.1 Dec 28 10:10:26 hrw:RP: I'll clear soon the wiki about ArkLinux as host Dec 28 10:10:32 hrw:RP: ... Dec 28 10:10:38 hrw:RP: but for Gentoo the situation is different Dec 28 10:10:47 hrw:RP: the stock gcc-4.1.2 fails Dec 28 10:10:56 hrw:RP: googling I found some older posts (last summer) pretending gcc-3.4.6 coupled with binutils-2.18 would do the work Dec 28 10:11:02 hrw:RP: but it is not the case here... Dec 28 10:11:08 hrw:RP: with linux headers 2.6.23 / glibc 2.6.1 / binutils 2.18 Dec 28 10:11:14 hrw:RP: I tried with precompiled gcc-3.3.3 and gcc-3.3.6 Dec 28 10:11:20 hrw:RP: found here https://e.ututo.org.ar/i686/index2.html Dec 28 10:11:25 hrw:RP: unfortunately qemu cannot be compiled using these on recent Gentoo Dec 28 10:11:30 ...end Dec 28 10:12:06 hrw, RP, rwhitby: thanks for the advice. I will play around . probably starting with making wm9712 and any other non-critical-to-boot item modular Dec 28 10:12:27 ant|work: about gcc-3.3.5 - please extend packages/qemu/qemu-gcc3-check.inc for it and submit patch/bug into bugtracker Dec 28 10:13:13 ant|work: and on gentoo... I am out of ideas - this is crazy distro Dec 28 10:13:58 hrw:RP: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO:_Qemu Dec 28 10:14:27 hrw:RP: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-578093-highlight-qemu.html Dec 28 10:15:04 hrw:RP: did you ever compile qemu-0.90 against 2.6.23 headers? Dec 28 10:15:05 xjqia1: A quick fix for tosa might be to remove the boot logo Dec 28 10:15:53 ant|work: emerge gcc-3.4 and add i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6 into packages/qemu/qemu-gcc3-check.inc Dec 28 10:16:23 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/12/28/zaurus-kernel-config-generation/ Dec 28 10:16:36 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * ra7deb3e4... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-rp_2.6.23.bb): (log message trimmed) Dec 28 10:16:36 Revision: 3806d8894babdfee7e759b27b83e75430c119343 Dec 28 10:16:36 Ancestor: bcd3521ff0c7d83136f0c5c3ffc56756f1dba948 Dec 28 10:16:36 Author: rpurdie@openembedded.org Dec 28 10:16:39 Date: 2007-12-28T01:27:35 Dec 28 10:16:42 Branch: org.openembedded.dev Dec 28 10:16:43 Modified files: Dec 28 10:17:36 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * ra7deb3e4... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-rp_2.6.23.bb): (log message trimmed) Dec 28 10:17:36 Revision: 3806d8894babdfee7e759b27b83e75430c119343 Dec 28 10:17:36 Ancestor: bcd3521ff0c7d83136f0c5c3ffc56756f1dba948 Dec 28 10:17:36 Author: rpurdie@openembedded.org Dec 28 10:17:36 Date: 2007-12-28T01:27:35 Dec 28 10:17:36 Branch: org.openembedded.dev Dec 28 10:17:38 Modified files: Dec 28 10:17:43 03koen 07org.oe.angstrom-2007.12-stable * ra0547f94... 10/ (1 BACKPORTS.txt): basckports: update Dec 28 10:18:39 hrw:RP: I tried compiling qemu-0.90 with gcc-3.4.6 it as first... was no no joy for me Dec 28 10:18:53 hrw:RP: the I read gcc-3.3 is suggested Dec 28 10:19:13 hrw: will start from scratch and retry... Dec 28 10:19:30 ant|work: I know that it works with gcc 3.4 Dec 28 10:19:31 ant|work: "Didn't work" isn't very useful. What was the error? Dec 28 10:19:40 * RP uses 3.4.4 Dec 28 10:19:45 3.4.6 here Dec 28 10:19:54 RP:hrw: one was the typical "missing register" thing... Dec 28 10:20:10 ant|work: pastebin logs Dec 28 10:20:12 RP:hrw: I kept the logs at ome... Dec 28 10:20:16 *home Dec 28 10:20:33 then pastebin them from home and then we will back to discussion ok? Dec 28 10:20:42 hrw:RP: I'll post with 3.3.6 and 3.4.6 Dec 28 10:21:13 hrw:RP: and in an orgy of compilation I could even give you the failing 4.1.2 :-) Dec 28 10:21:23 hrw:RP: logs Dec 28 10:21:33 RP: how do I remove boot logo? I thought it's in the initrd Dec 28 10:21:59 hrw:RP: thanks for your time Dec 28 10:22:02 xjqia1: device drivers -> graphic -> boot logo Dec 28 10:24:02 hrw: in defconfig_tosa? Dec 28 10:26:01 xjqia1: yes, but CONFIG_LOGO is not set by default :-/ Dec 28 10:26:08 morning all Dec 28 10:26:40 xjqia1: in 'make menuconfig' Dec 28 10:28:32 cyrilRomain: which means RP is wrong, logo is not in the kernel? Dec 28 10:29:14 xjqia1: it is in some kernel version, but not in linux-rp-2.6.23/defconfig-tosa Dec 28 10:29:56 xjqia1: actually it is set to yes in all but 2.6.23 Dec 28 10:30:46 xjqia1: but maybe do you use linux-rp-2.6.23+2.6.24-rc0+git ? Dec 28 10:31:13 cryrilRomain: no. I use 2.6.23 Dec 28 10:32:08 so with logo, the kernel is even more bloated Dec 28 10:33:11 I need to see how big wm9712 moduals are ... Dec 28 10:33:26 nite, guys. thanks for the advice Dec 28 10:34:04 cyrilRomain: The logo config is set by linux-rp.inc Dec 28 10:34:59 RP: I just found it :) Dec 28 10:35:02 nite xjqia1 Dec 28 10:40:15 RP: but logo it is only set for poky distro. Dec 28 10:47:28 xjqia1: in my last tosa build (december, 8th), CONFIG_LOGO in not set in linux-rp-2.6.23-r10/defconfig-tosa Dec 28 11:01:37 cyrilRomain: and angstrom? Dec 28 11:02:24 RP: only for 'poky and not collie' if I understand bash correctly Dec 28 11:03:16 * cyrilRomain is updating and rebuilding a tosa image today to see if the CONFIG_LOGO setting change Dec 28 11:06:09 RP: hmmm maybe the logo comes from logo_oz-r2.patch.bz2 (?) Dec 28 11:07:28 logo is in logo-oz but is not used Dec 28 11:08:01 cyrilRomain: Sorry, maybe angstrom doesn't use a logo? :/ Dec 28 11:08:45 hrw: I'm wondering if we should have ipv4 modular? Dec 28 11:08:55 RP: I think it doesn't Dec 28 11:09:00 * hrw -> doc Dec 28 11:09:04 bb in ~30-40m Dec 28 11:09:20 RP: I'm just trying to understand why and where xjqia1 has a logo Dec 28 11:09:28 poodle 2.6.23 is too big Dec 28 11:13:03 xjqia1: by 'logo', do you meant the splash screen ? Dec 28 11:18:35 re Dec 28 12:12:56 RP: The sound server of OpenMoko is currently PulseAudio Dec 28 12:13:08 RP: for Angstrom ? Dec 28 12:13:34 RP: I'm looking at speech-dispatcher - speechd Dec 28 12:14:29 RP: and found this old thread http://lists.freebsoft.org/pipermail/speechd/2007q4/000871.html Dec 28 13:34:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4911UER9bI Dec 28 13:37:18 =D Dec 28 13:42:14 http://xkcd.com/ Dec 28 13:42:33 compile iptables as all modules, kernel increases in size by 1100 bytes Dec 28 13:43:49 * oxo wonders.. Dec 28 13:44:19 is there already a usable OE-distro for asus wl500g? (no, wl500oe.conf does not work for me) Dec 28 13:46:59 oxo: I do not think so Dec 28 13:47:45 hmz, I'm afraid I found myself another thing to done while supposingly studying/working :-) Dec 28 13:48:12 openwrt is best for it iirc Dec 28 13:48:32 yeah, I'll try that Dec 28 13:48:56 for what I see from it, openwrt should be OE-based Dec 28 13:49:00 and I think it could be Dec 28 13:49:20 it could but will not Dec 28 13:49:29 'not invented here'? Dec 28 13:49:37 they have own buildsystem and it works good for them Dec 28 13:50:09 yeah, OK, but both using OE would allow sharing of knowledge and wheel-reinventing Dec 28 13:50:14 +avoid Dec 28 13:50:57 but I understand migrating to another buildsystem is a pain in the neck Dec 28 13:53:24 exactly Dec 28 13:53:53 openwrt guys told few times that they thanks for an offer but will keep openwrt Dec 28 13:54:25 hi everybody Dec 28 13:54:28 hi thesing Dec 28 13:55:31 thesing: how goes mainboard repair? Dec 28 13:56:05 I didn't get a message from the shop yet. Dec 28 13:56:28 I try oe with an external usb disk as root. Dec 28 13:57:17 but I have to use usb 1.1 because usb2 doesn't work good enough on this pc under linux. Dec 28 13:57:23 so its realy slow. Dec 28 13:57:26 thesing: oh.. Dec 28 13:57:51 thesing: we were thinking about giving you an account somewhere for kernel hacking Dec 28 13:59:40 my usb disk should be fast enough once I get the kernel souces out of oe and build a console image. Dec 28 14:00:16 but I realy don't want to build bigger images on this machine. Dec 28 14:01:38 btw: if we default to root-on-sd for collie, can't we just flash bigger kernels and don't care if it destroys the flash-rootimage? Dec 28 14:01:55 flasher do not allow to flash bigger kernels Dec 28 14:02:50 thesing: and other thing - which mainboard you had? Dec 28 14:05:28 I had an msi k8n-diamond-plus Dec 28 14:06:32 and the second was an a8n32-sli deluxe (is in repair now) Dec 28 14:07:45 nice boards Dec 28 14:08:09 * CoreDump is more of an Asus fanboy ;) Dec 28 14:08:44 * thesing too if asus repairs my board. Dec 28 14:09:52 when I bought my pc I bought two graphic cards. I don't play that much, but I had money and it was the first new pc for years... Dec 28 14:09:57 I had DFI, then Soltek, then EpoX, then DFI again Dec 28 14:10:49 hrw: you should try asus sometime. Dec 28 14:10:54 now its hard to find boards that support two graficcards with x16 in sli mode. Dec 28 14:11:07 thesing: NVIDIA or ATI? Dec 28 14:11:28 NVIDA: better linux support. Dec 28 14:11:31 sli == nvidia Dec 28 14:11:43 ati + linux == waste of money Dec 28 14:11:51 all new'ish boards w/ NVIDIA chipset should allow 16x x2 Dec 28 14:11:55 CoreDump: maybe with next machine Dec 28 14:11:57 hrw: I know Dec 28 14:12:11 I have an NVIDIA as well Dec 28 14:12:28 CoreDump: now I have amd64 dualcore, nvidia 6600gt and it is enough for some time Dec 28 14:12:32 the ATI guys call it "crossfire" IIRC but everyone just says SLI Dec 28 14:12:45 sli is trademark Dec 28 14:12:57 of 3dfx? =D Dec 28 14:13:16 * CoreDump had a dual diamond monster back in the days Dec 28 14:13:25 which is nvidia too ;D Dec 28 14:13:34 doh ;) Dec 28 14:13:36 i have a 939 cpu and ddr memory. With a new board I couldn't reuse anything of this. Dec 28 14:13:52 ouch Dec 28 14:13:59 thesing: thats why I moved from socketA -> s939 -- ddr ram Dec 28 14:14:14 * thesing has two 7900gt Dec 28 14:14:26 I am in same situation - 2.1GB ram in ddr1 Dec 28 14:15:21 If I knew the trouble with the support I would have upgraded when my board broke. Dec 28 14:15:35 2x512 + 1024 + 128 Dec 28 14:15:47 strange combo. Dec 28 14:15:48 lol Dec 28 14:16:15 I had 2x512 in previous board Dec 28 14:16:33 bough extra 1GB and found that amd64 does not run with 3 slots of mem Dec 28 14:16:49 so bought cheapest ram available to get use of all ram Dec 28 14:17:34 but you can't use dual channel now. Dec 28 14:18:07 DDR2 is dead cheap these days Dec 28 14:19:09 coredump: only the most expensive boards support sli with 2x x16. other boards drop to 2x x8 in sli mode. Dec 28 14:21:38 thesing: I know Dec 28 14:21:45 CoreDump: o yes.. Dec 28 14:22:14 CoreDump: for Ania laptop I bought 512MB ddr2 for 170pln about year ago. now it costs 60-70pln. Dec 28 14:22:33 CoreDump: 512MB for my laptop (ddr1) costed me 130-150pln few months ago Dec 28 14:23:27 btw has any of you guys heard of the Loongson cpu? :> Dec 28 14:23:39 Jin^eLD: that China x86 chip? Dec 28 14:23:50 hrw: actually China MIPS Dec 28 14:23:51 x86 or mips ? Dec 28 14:24:10 lowpower, performance supposed to be comparable to a P4 Dec 28 14:24:40 thesing: true Dec 28 14:24:40 have few spare mainboards with it? Dec 28 14:24:41 :D Dec 28 14:24:57 afaik they are going to produce notebooks with it, I want to try and get one of those just for the fun of it Dec 28 14:25:10 but from what I know they will not be sold in .eu Dec 28 14:25:19 thesing: anyway my next board has to have 3 pci slots so no SLI for me - one x16 PCIe is enough Dec 28 14:26:22 http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1889&l1=3&l2=11&l3=572&l4=0 <- my board Dec 28 14:26:34 If I didn't allready have two graficcards I would by such a cheaper board too. Dec 28 14:27:15 hrw: what do you need 3 pci slots for? Dec 28 14:27:48 http://42.pl/u/xc6 - mine Dec 28 14:27:50 thesing: ebay one card Dec 28 14:28:25 thesing: 1. tv tuner (analog only), 2. multi i/o (2x serial 1x parallel), 3. free slot for extra stuff Dec 28 14:29:00 thesing: with newer machine I maybe with change tv tuner for PCIe x1 tuner (analog + dvb) but it depends what kind of tv I will have then Dec 28 14:29:16 Wake-On-LAN rocks Dec 28 14:29:40 hrw: I bought a dvb-t+dvb-c+dvb-s+analog combicard. Dec 28 14:29:47 * thesing -> lunch Dec 28 14:29:51 starting / resuming your buildmachine remotely is very nice Dec 28 14:35:54 CoreDump: Its a pity that dsl-router doen't support it oob. Dec 28 14:36:11 thesing: which one? Dec 28 14:37:23 avm fritzbox sl wlan Dec 28 14:37:44 an ar7 based router. Dec 28 14:38:40 thesing: linux or vxworks? Dec 28 14:39:35 now that you mention it, I don't see that option in dd-wrt either Dec 28 14:40:02 CoreDump: on my openwrt router I have "WOL" installed and can do wakeonland Dec 28 14:40:08 hrw: linux Dec 28 14:42:20 I'd probably VPN into a slug and WOL from there If I ever had to Dec 28 14:42:47 but as my employer blocks everything but http and https.... Dec 28 14:43:21 I have the sources for ar7 based routers at work so I could probably build a images who support it. But would need a replacement first. Just in case. And if I do this I can buy a router that supports openwrt. Dec 28 14:43:22 CoreDump: SSH over TOR/HTTPS.. that was my solution for getting out Dec 28 14:43:47 NAbyss: I am well aware about this kind of stuff =) Dec 28 14:43:52 but I dare not risk it Dec 28 14:47:04 Ah :) Dec 28 15:08:25 big error on uboot-openmoko_svn.bb a 'require' file is missing: "openmoko_svn.bb" Dec 28 15:11:28 ~pastebin Dec 28 15:11:29 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Dec 28 15:14:18 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r8e0f8c9a... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Dec 28 15:14:18 uboot-openmoko git/svn rename files to more consistent naming Dec 28 15:14:18 * and add patch fixing OM bug #887 Dec 28 15:14:18 * fix formatting (don't mix tabs and spaces, choose one) Dec 28 15:14:18 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r13f44cdb... 10/ (1 packages/uboot packages/u-boot): rename uboot directory for more consistency Dec 28 15:18:28 morning Dec 28 15:24:42 hrw: mickeyl uboot commits broke parsing. could you commit http://pastebin.ca/834885? Dec 28 15:25:34 oops Dec 28 15:25:35 sorry Dec 28 15:25:38 fixing Dec 28 15:25:45 ~blame mickeyl Dec 28 15:25:46 * ibot blames mickeyl (and Canada) for all the evil in the world Dec 28 15:29:23 'mornin! Dec 28 15:29:24 * chouimat|work kicks ibot for saying Canada is the source of evil ... it's the usa Dec 28 15:29:37 and kde4 developers Dec 28 15:30:29 hrw: kde4 is not ready ... but they won't listen ... I'm ashamed that it will be another Vista Dec 28 15:30:30 * mwester lumps the southern 150 miles of Canada into the USA anyway, and thus is able to agree with chouimat|work Dec 28 15:30:55 :p Dec 28 15:31:07 btw: can I build qtopia4 images with oe now? Dec 28 15:31:33 chouimat|work: hows the new job -- still that horrible commute? Dec 28 15:31:45 chouimat|work: I have few parts from kde4 installed Dec 28 15:31:52 * hrw -> food Dec 28 15:32:30 mwester no since november 26 I'm located in byward market (downtown ottawa) so it's 1 bus (about 30 minutes) ... and the job is still fun Dec 28 15:33:22 Cool. I always end up in Kanata when I'm near Ottawa, without a rental car - so its been many years since I visited downtown. Nice place, IIRC. Dec 28 15:33:36 hrw: one kde4 developer I know told me it is worth waiting kde4.1 (which will benefit from the QGraphicsView included in the Qt4.4, to be release near kde4.1) Dec 28 15:34:06 mwester it will better in the summer ... \ Dec 28 15:34:08 :) Dec 28 15:43:19 cyrilRomain: it is normal that 4.1 will be better as kde 4.0 will be at RC quality Dec 28 15:46:51 hrw: RC?? some part are not even beta Dec 28 15:47:03 ;))) Dec 28 15:47:30 chouimat|work: at current kde4rc quality I mean Dec 28 15:47:54 which often translate to 'nearly useless crap' Dec 28 15:48:15 hrw: yup Dec 28 15:48:57 hrw: yep. I was quite disappointed when I saw the 'new' kde4 Dec 28 15:50:22 at least Qt4.4 will enable much more eye candies with fast OpenGL, hopefully not at the expense of an inefficient GUI and bugged tools :-/ Dec 28 15:53:00 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r25da7fca... 10/ (1 packages/u-boot/u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native_oe.bb): u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native_oe catch up with recipe renaming Dec 28 15:53:00 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r25da7fca... 10/ (1 packages/u-boot/u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native_oe.bb): u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native_oe catch up with recipe renaming Dec 28 15:53:18 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r25da7fca... 10/ (1 packages/u-boot/u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native_oe.bb): u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native_oe catch up with recipe renaming Dec 28 15:53:27 hmm, three times? Dec 28 15:57:07 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rc9fabe80... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc): moko-autorev.inc catch up with uboot recipe renamings Dec 28 16:15:51 mickeyl: can you add eds-dbus to moko-autorev? Dec 28 16:16:12 mickeyl: or maybe you prefer it updating from time to time Dec 28 16:17:41 yeah, i prefer updating it whenever ross moans about it being too old :) Dec 28 16:17:53 ok Dec 28 16:18:08 last time it was chris ;d Dec 28 16:19:54 mickeyl: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Classic-WTF-Because-database-drivers-can-be-too-complex-.aspx Dec 28 16:21:10 hehe, that's really nasty Dec 28 16:22:39 ~lart hrw to make my brain hurt more Dec 28 16:22:40 * ibot chops hrw to make my brain hurt more in half with a free AOL CD Dec 28 16:27:55 03coredump2 07org.oe.dev * r65fefd8b... 10/ (1 packages/settings-daemon/settings-daemon_svn.bb): settings-daemon: Add missing dependency to gtk+ Dec 28 16:28:24 03coredump2 07org.oe.dev * r65fefd8b... 10/ (1 packages/settings-daemon/settings-daemon_svn.bb): settings-daemon: Add missing dependency to gtk+ Dec 28 16:28:38 03coredump2 07org.oe.dev * refc89b66... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): altboot: Update to SVNR73 Dec 28 16:30:25 ~lart trolls Dec 28 16:30:26 * ibot calls trolls on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home Dec 28 16:53:38 hrw: I lied btw, dd-wrt can do WOL as well, I just didn't know where it was hidden ;) Dec 28 16:53:47 ;) Dec 28 17:04:19 * Crofton|home mutters that he builds u-boot with eabi tool chains all the time .... Dec 28 17:29:44 although I only had eabi issues when I was fooling with NAND flash support Dec 28 17:52:01 bye Dec 28 17:55:35 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rdabc3297... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-rp-2.6.23: Update poodle defconfig to shrink size Dec 28 17:56:01 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rdabc3297... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-rp-2.6.23: Update poodle defconfig to shrink size Dec 28 17:56:01 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rdabc3297... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-rp-2.6.23: Update poodle defconfig to shrink size Dec 28 17:56:01 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rdabc3297... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-rp-2.6.23: Update poodle defconfig to shrink size Dec 28 17:56:01 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rdabc3297... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-rp-2.6.23: Update poodle defconfig to shrink size Dec 28 17:56:08 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rdabc3297... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-rp-2.6.23: Update poodle defconfig to shrink size Dec 28 17:56:11 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rdabc3297... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-rp-2.6.23: Update poodle defconfig to shrink size Dec 28 17:56:21 is CIA-36 drunk? Dec 28 17:56:38 yeah, it has been doing it all day Dec 28 17:56:50 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rdabc3297... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-rp-2.6.23: Update poodle defconfig to shrink size Dec 28 17:57:41 or maybe the mtn server thinks it is funny to send the same commit e-mail to CIA over and over again ;) Dec 28 18:24:24 RAM has arrived, so I'll be poking the bug tracker shortly Dec 28 18:25:02 !cheer ggilbert Dec 28 20:12:17 hi all Dec 28 20:25:27 i still don't understand exactly when use 'foobar' and when use 'virtual/foobar' ... Dec 28 20:26:03 in principle, don't use virtual Dec 28 20:26:09 once and then though Dec 28 20:26:19 you will find there are multiple packages providing something Dec 28 20:26:42 thanks mickey_away , in my case foobar is kernel ... Dec 28 20:26:49 and when you don't need a specific foo Dec 28 20:26:53 but just something that provides foo Dec 28 20:26:57 then you could use virtual/foo Dec 28 20:27:01 _if_ that exists at all Dec 28 20:27:08 we use virtual only rarely in OE Dec 28 20:27:38 i'm defining a new arch "neuros OSD" ... so i'm defining PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel Dec 28 20:27:46 right Dec 28 20:27:58 since there are multiple kernels in OE Dec 28 20:28:05 we made all provide virtual/kernel Dec 28 20:28:15 but you probably want to prefer one Dec 28 20:28:26 in your machine.conf Dec 28 20:28:35 yes in fact ... but seem someone override :( ... Dec 28 20:28:45 yem i'm writing it in the machine.conf Dec 28 20:28:54 yem -> yes Dec 28 20:29:58 are you sure your machine.conf is actually getting included? Dec 28 20:30:12 watch out for "multiple providers" Dec 28 20:30:13 and Dec 28 20:30:18 "preferred kernel not available" Dec 28 20:30:20 messages Dec 28 20:30:29 in that case you may have unresolved dependencies for your preferred kernel Dec 28 20:30:30 my fault :) yes exactly this message :) Dec 28 20:31:03 thanks mickeyl Dec 28 20:31:16 np Dec 28 20:31:54 mickeyl, are u managing about OE at FOSDEM ? Dec 28 20:37:11 depends. gerwinin volunteered to do that, but he's rarely available Dec 28 20:37:16 can you be there? Dec 28 20:37:25 yo stefan_schmidt Dec 28 20:38:09 hi mickeyl Dec 28 20:49:33 <_gremlin_> mickeyl, thanks ... sorry i got disconnected ... Dec 28 20:49:57 <_gremlin_> mickeyl, are u managing also about OE at FOSDEM ? Dec 28 20:50:55 depends. gerwinin volunteered to do that, but he's rarely available Dec 28 20:51:11 will you be there? Dec 28 20:52:36 hi mr_nice Dec 28 20:54:15 how far is 2.6 on simpad? Dec 28 20:54:41 <_gremlin_> mickeyl, yes i'll be ... as last year ... if u need attendant or any kind of help here i'm :) Dec 28 20:56:15 excellent Dec 28 20:56:20 yeah, please Dec 28 20:56:23 just drop by and help us Dec 28 20:56:28 i think we will get _many_ visitors this year Dec 28 20:56:37 even more than last time Dec 28 20:58:12 yeah, it would be great to have two or three tables like the BSD guys had last year :) Dec 28 20:58:31 <_gremlin_> heheh i hope i'll be able to carry with me some devices too ... i really would like (but is about impossible) to carry with me a PSA ... a device used to help the implant of pacemaker ;) Dec 28 20:59:16 <_gremlin_> mickeyl, exist a page on wiki where sign ? Dec 28 20:59:54 let me check Dec 28 20:59:55 * flo_lap just notices that it has become quite unlikly that he'll be there :-( Dec 28 21:01:44 mickeyl: is it planned for OpenMoko people to join OpenEmbedded people at FOSDEM ? Or do they'll have another booth ? Dec 28 21:02:07 cyrilRomain: join Dec 28 21:02:13 flo_lap: oh no! :/ Dec 28 21:03:36 mickeyl: ok Dec 28 21:04:03 please add yourself to http://www.openembedded.org/fosdem2008 Dec 28 21:04:07 [all] Dec 28 21:05:06 mickeyl: i'll try but i can't promise any more... currently i'm fulltime daddy Dec 28 21:05:12 * cyrilRomain is not sure to be here, and is probably more likely to be at the other side of the table ;-| Dec 28 21:05:52 flo_lap: i can understand that. Dec 28 21:05:55 flo_lap: priorities :) Dec 28 21:07:56 mickeyl: hum not really... let's say that i did not volunteer Dec 28 21:11:01 <_gremlin_> i don't find how to add myself as user to OE wiki ... Dec 28 21:11:48 gremlin[it]: http://www.openembedded.org/fosdem2008 Dec 28 21:12:11 gremlin[it]: oops sorry I thought you meant FOSDEM Dec 28 21:12:44 mickeyl, thanks for adding that page Dec 28 21:12:52 I am opeful I can be there Dec 28 21:13:06 cyrilRomain, no no i mean i cannot modify the page cause i cannot login in OE Dec 28 21:13:29 gremlin[it], you should be able to modify the FOSDEM2008 page though Dec 28 21:13:48 gremlin[it]: just through Edit button, don't you have that button ? Dec 28 21:13:55 Crofton|home, you are right ... i'm more dumb than usual :) Dec 28 21:14:00 s/button/tab/ Dec 28 21:14:23 :) Dec 28 21:14:47 gremlin[it]: i have ran 2.6.12 oh my h3800 ;d Dec 28 21:15:09 hi all Dec 28 21:15:12 ohh good univac ! Dec 28 21:15:35 lcd, ts work Dec 28 21:15:42 gremlin[it]: you can make mmc driver? :) Dec 28 21:16:40 never try univac Dec 28 21:16:57 everything works ecept mmc, udc and sound Dec 28 21:18:41 battery ? Dec 28 21:21:40 ah, and battery monitor Dec 28 21:21:47 batter charge and led works Dec 28 21:22:02 but i thought Dec 28 21:22:07 battery monitor is easy to write? Dec 28 21:22:10 yep? Dec 28 21:26:58 mickeyl, why u use Dr. title ? ... i thought jus Italy and othe south europe places uses titles :) Dec 28 21:27:07 hehe Dec 28 21:27:20 just a joke, actually Dec 28 21:27:32 because some guys call me Dr.Mickey since I got my degree Dec 28 21:27:48 i don't care too much about titles Dec 28 21:27:57 heh Dec 28 21:28:03 one's Sean, did so on video =) Dec 28 21:28:13 ahhh ok ... i was looking if is better (more right) use Eng. or Ing. for me ... :P Dec 28 21:28:36 * Crofton|home friends are calling me "Master Balister" ..... Dec 28 21:31:56 pb_: !!!!! Dec 28 21:32:17 pb_: long time no see. how are you? Dec 28 21:33:29 :( They just call me "Hey you!" Dec 28 21:34:04 mwester: heh Dec 28 21:35:30 mwester poor little thing Dec 28 21:35:37 someone have info about lennert ? Dec 28 21:41:03 http://img.wklej.org/v.php?id=71156skanuj0001.jpg Dec 28 21:41:08 myself, on left Dec 28 21:41:10 haha Dec 28 21:49:33 doh! Dec 28 21:49:38 pb_: hey! Dec 28 21:52:04 flo_lap: do you recall how to add a new developer in gforce. i added him to the project but he has no svn access yet. Dec 28 21:52:14 do i need to add his key to somewhere? Dec 28 21:52:16 (ssh key) Dec 28 21:53:05 mickeyl: it should work without a key but its not that convenient to use. Dec 28 21:53:44 mickeyl: the users role is important too - but it depends on how these are set up. Dec 28 21:53:52 hmm Dec 28 21:55:22 mickeyl: very good, thanks Dec 28 21:55:40 yah, I have been distracted by other things of late Dec 28 21:56:06 most notably getting married Dec 28 21:56:32 oh wow Dec 28 21:56:33 hi flo_lap Dec 28 21:56:35 congratulations Dec 28 21:56:53 thanks :-) Dec 28 21:57:07 pb_: cool - congratulations! Dec 28 21:57:08 tomorrow is our three month anniversary Dec 28 21:58:45 of getting married? Dec 28 21:58:58 not of meeting, then getting married .... Dec 28 21:59:04 * Crofton read that all wrong .... Dec 28 22:00:10 congratulation pb_ !!! Dec 28 22:00:57 pb_: glad to hear that. speaking about marriages... i need to spend some time with my wife now... hope to see you here more often! all the best Dec 28 22:01:21 later mickeyl Dec 28 22:01:32 yeah, I hope to be here a bit more often as well Dec 28 22:01:49 * flo_lap just remembers some related tasks Dec 28 22:02:11 moving... paperwork... babies... ;) Dec 28 22:02:47 heh Dec 28 22:03:38 we don't plan to move, we are staying in my old house. Dec 28 22:04:34 pb_: feel lucky... we moved ~three months ago Dec 28 22:06:12 now is not a good time to buy a house in this country anyway. house prices seem to have just started to fall after several years of steady increases. Dec 28 22:07:33 thesing hi, it is quite usable :) Dec 28 22:08:17 pb_: same here... and you still get money quite cheap. Dec 28 22:09:21 thesing: suspend resume is well working, usb-gadget is not realy working. sound is not working. and there is no driver for smartcard Dec 28 22:09:40 thesing: but anything else is working at least as good as on 2.4 Dec 28 22:12:24 mr_nice: it seems that many devices would profit from a driver for usb-gadget or ucb-sound Dec 28 22:12:46 thesing: yes Dec 28 22:13:50 thesing: an alsa on chip driver would be nice Dec 28 22:14:26 thesing: i am reading the docu atm. but i don't know if my knowledge is good enought to develop the driver Dec 28 22:14:38 pb_: but iirc houses are much cheaper here :-) Dec 28 22:14:52 heh Dec 28 22:14:58 pb_, which is your country ? Dec 28 22:15:06 yeah, I think houses are much cheaper more or less anywhere else Dec 28 22:15:11 gremlin[it]: uk Dec 28 22:15:35 thesing: woglinde blieves that usb hw is buggy on simpad Dec 28 22:16:34 pb_: indeed :) Dec 28 22:17:11 thesing: do you know if the old 2.4 driver worked on zaurus? Dec 28 22:17:21 pb_: belated congratulations :) Dec 28 22:17:25 RP: :-) Dec 28 22:18:03 thesing: on simpad the 2.4 driver did not worked well. if there was some trafik the connection got slow or closed Dec 28 22:18:13 pb_: I had wondered why you'd gone quiet but hadn't come up with that reason! Dec 28 22:20:02 * RP is hoping house prices fall a bit as its the only way I stand a chance of affording something... Dec 28 22:20:06 thesing: we should hand in your pcmcia stuff. i think it would be a good start for hand in some sa1x00 related patches Dec 28 22:22:36 RP: Well, or choose to live almost anywhere else ;) Dec 28 22:23:09 flo_lap: It could be worse, I could want to live "down south" ;-) Dec 28 22:25:09 RP: here it is quite similar - in germany the south is much more expensive too Dec 28 22:25:46 in italy is the opposite ... Dec 28 22:26:09 heh, true Dec 28 22:36:50 time to go to sleep, see u all soon ! Dec 28 22:37:21 gremlin[it]: good night Dec 28 22:38:45 'night gremlin[it] Dec 28 22:39:23 * pb_ bedtime too Dec 28 22:39:25 night all Dec 28 22:48:03 ERROR: No providers of build target uboot-openmoko (for []) Dec 28 22:48:03 make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Error 1 Dec 28 22:48:05 lol Dec 28 22:49:37 NineX: s/uboot-openmoko/u-boot-openmoko/ Dec 28 22:50:27 NineX: there was such a typo this morning in metadata, please update Dec 28 22:50:32 morning Dec 28 22:50:47 hi XorA Dec 28 22:51:01 morning XorA Dec 28 22:51:11 cyrilRomain: i updated 30 secconds ago Dec 28 22:51:12 :S Dec 28 22:51:19 RP: you shall have to stop coding, the Z cant hold any more code :-) Dec 28 22:51:37 XorA: I wish it were my code ;-) Dec 28 22:51:41 NineX: so just s/uboot-openmoko/u-boot-openmoko/ in your bitbake command :) Dec 28 22:53:07 RP: any Z/CF hardware I have you covet? Dec 28 22:54:19 XorA: I'm not aware of anything. These days I don't have the time to give do the hardware I have justice :( Dec 28 22:54:52 XorA: You're not giving up on Zs? Dec 28 22:55:20 RP: going to sell the spitz as I really never use it, probably keep the collie for old times sake Dec 28 22:55:47 RP: more than likely I will buy a pandora when it comes out Dec 28 22:56:28 XorA: pandora? Dec 28 22:56:50 RP: machine that some gp2x developers/retailer are designing Dec 28 22:57:23 RP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(console) Dec 28 22:58:45 XorA: Ah, I'd forgotten the name but I read about that Dec 28 22:58:48 Looks interesting Dec 28 23:00:17 looks expensive Dec 28 23:00:34 that too Dec 28 23:00:40 flo_lap: £150 is the target price I beleive Dec 28 23:00:43 we shall see Dec 28 23:01:10 omap3... Dec 28 23:01:48 XorA: well... yes I think you could make such a price, but that would mean *very* high production volumes Dec 28 23:02:46 flo_lap: note I know nothing of the machine except what is discussed in gp2x forums, just looks kinda sweet Dec 28 23:03:11 XorA: yes, that's true... Dec 28 23:09:13 on collie usb client worked well. Dec 28 23:09:34 mr_nice: see last line Dec 28 23:10:13 mr_nice: I'm not sure if the solution is the right one but I will look into this. Dec 28 23:13:26 good night Dec 29 00:02:05 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * rc5cded47... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Dec 29 00:02:05 Unslung: rootfs - increase disk-settling delay time in linuxrc, clarify text on some of Dec 29 00:02:05 the web gui pages, update the NOTES with the latest changes. Dec 29 00:02:05 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * rc5cded47... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Dec 29 00:02:05 Unslung: rootfs - increase disk-settling delay time in linuxrc, clarify text on some of Dec 29 00:02:06 the web gui pages, update the NOTES with the latest changes. Dec 29 00:02:48 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * rc5cded47... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Dec 29 00:02:48 Unslung: rootfs - increase disk-settling delay time in linuxrc, clarify text on some of Dec 29 00:02:48 the web gui pages, update the NOTES with the latest changes. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 29 02:59:56 2007