**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 23 02:59:57 2008 Jan 23 04:11:54 03john_lee 07org.oe.dev * r558d7f85... 10/ (1 packages/meta/external-toolchain.bb): Jan 23 04:11:54 external-toolchain: enable RPROVIDES again Jan 23 04:11:54 * I disabled it in revision 824c66fc36263bf7387bf3cac74b83506fa27024 Jan 23 04:11:54 by mistake. Sorry. Jan 23 06:45:06 lo Jan 23 07:19:38 anyone happen to know how to type a ` on a zaurus C3200? Jan 23 08:18:35 good morning ! Jan 23 08:25:34 How would I do to run some commands after the unpack ? do_unpack_appends wants python code it would seem and not shell code. Jan 23 08:28:34 Is it just me or is there an issue with http://www.openembedded.org ? Jan 23 08:46:49 tnt_: do_compile_prepend Jan 23 08:47:03 do_configure_prepend sorry Jan 23 09:15:58 Laibsch: If it works, I'd go for it Jan 23 09:17:50 yo RP Jan 23 09:18:22 bonjour Jan 23 09:19:45 so I guess when openembedded.org was changed this morning, it lost all DNS settings :-( Jan 23 09:21:55 has anyone build mono for x86 on angstrom stable ? Jan 23 09:37:55 XorA: thanks Jan 23 09:55:09 re Jan 23 09:57:54 morning Jan 23 09:58:01 hi hrw Jan 23 10:05:41 why is ipkg_download trying to get the packages via ftp and not via http? my FEED_URIS start with http and that part goes well, but after "Updated list of available packages" ipkg_download tries wgetting stuff with the --passive-ftp paramer Jan 23 10:05:51 which fails because my stuff is not on ftp Jan 23 10:12:48 mhm, so who or what is adding the --passive-ftp parameter, any ideas? Jan 23 10:24:08 ping kergoth: Can you please urgently fix DNS for openembedded.org? Jan 23 10:24:20 "host www.openembedded.org" does not return an entry right now Jan 23 10:25:11 ok forget my ftp question above, I screwed up as always Jan 23 10:26:16 hm, strange, "dig www.openembedded.org @ns1.easydns.com" does return Jan 23 10:26:19 www.openembedded.org. 10800 IN CNAME openembedded.org. Jan 23 10:26:27 openembedded.org. 10800 IN A 85.214.40.226 Jan 23 10:27:31 hey zecke Jan 23 10:36:10 hey zecke Jan 23 10:42:55 hey other zecke_ :_D Jan 23 10:47:32 three of me ;) Jan 23 10:47:34 *haha* Jan 23 10:47:45 clones? Jan 23 10:47:56 hrw: forks? who can know that Jan 23 10:48:52 zecke_: you can do 3x the work now Jan 23 10:49:24 I know Jan 23 10:49:39 mickey|zzZZzz: Jedes Jahr im Januar das gleiche Theater mit oe.org Jan 23 10:49:52 Wäre kergoth bereit, Dir die Domain zu übertragen? Jan 23 10:49:53 zecke_: BTW done any looking into brining qtopia phone to OE? Jan 23 10:50:15 Oops, sorry for German, wrong channel window in fact ;-) Jan 23 10:51:36 secret codes :-) Jan 23 10:51:55 XorA: yes, I think with the current Qtopia buildsystem it is not possible ;) Jan 23 10:52:14 zecke_: I was afraid you would say that :-D Jan 23 10:52:30 XorA: http://repo.or.cz/w/qtopia-split.git is my answer Jan 23 10:53:02 XorA: copy files into new smaller modules, I need to get around and pick a buildsystem (qmake,cmake,autotools) and write a new buildsystem for all of these packages Jan 23 10:53:09 anyway need to run now to another lecture Jan 23 10:53:23 zecke_: thanks for the pojnter Jan 23 10:53:33 zecke_: I got the task of bring qtopia-phone to OM Jan 23 10:53:52 XorA: doing it in a proper OE way I hope Jan 23 10:54:07 zecke_: I was trying to, the build system is denying me :-( Jan 23 10:54:09 XorA: it would be helpful to find a host for the 150 git trees :) Jan 23 10:54:26 sorry need to run ;) Jan 23 11:18:56 Where is the auto package split done ? I have a package that now generate libblah-0.13.so instead of previously libblah.so.0.1.0 and it's not being picked up ... Jan 23 11:32:31 ~seen psokolovsky Jan 23 11:32:34 psokolovsky was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 10d 19h 36m 5s ago, saying: 'pH5: ok'. Jan 23 11:35:08 has anyone used the FEED_DEPLOYDIR_BASE_URI stuff yet? Jan 23 11:42:28 and what's the difference between "any", "all" and "noarch" ? Jan 23 11:42:32 none Jan 23 11:42:36 we use 'all' only Jan 23 11:43:13 when I do ipkg update it looks for any and noarch too Jan 23 11:43:17 which fails because I do not have thoe Jan 23 11:43:25 I wonder if it is s Jan 23 11:43:31 something I did wrong Jan 23 11:43:39 or if it is related to the FEED_DEPLOYDIR_BASE_URI thing Jan 23 11:44:20 who sets PACKAGE_ARCHS ? Jan 23 11:44:39 brb Jan 23 11:45:35 hrw: packaged-staging2.bbclass:ipkgarchs="${BUILD_ARCH} all any noarch ${TARGET_ARCH} ${PACKAGE_ARCHS} ${PACKAGE_EXTRA_ARCHS} ${MACHINE}" Jan 23 11:45:42 hi all Jan 23 11:45:43 can this be a problem? Jan 23 11:46:41 can any1 tell me how to remove madwifi package from angstrom2008.1 distro or just the whole wifi package? it breaks the compilation procedure. thanks. Jan 23 11:46:42 same in packaged-staging.bbclass Jan 23 11:48:21 undertook: for which machine? Jan 23 11:48:27 i586 Jan 23 11:49:19 Jin^eLD: You don't use those classes though? Jan 23 11:49:53 RP: no, that was a wrong guess Jan 23 11:49:59 I now know where it is coming from Jan 23 11:50:02 conf/bitbake.conf:PACKAGE_ARCHS = "all any noarch ${TARGET_ARCH} ${PACKAGE_EXTRA_ARCHS} ${MACHINE}" Jan 23 11:50:11 I simply did not set my PACKAGE_ARCHS explicitly Jan 23 11:50:13 so it came from bitbake.conf Jan 23 11:50:20 and there you see - "all any noarch" Jan 23 11:50:28 so that should probably get fixed? Jan 23 11:50:38 i586/alix so... Jan 23 11:50:54 Jin^eLD: You don't have MACHINE set? Jan 23 11:51:24 Jin^eLD: all, any and noarch are fine there... Jan 23 11:51:24 RP: I do, but my machine.conf was only setting the TARGET_ARCH and PACKAGE_EXTRA_ARCHS Jan 23 11:51:35 bb in 10m Jan 23 11:51:48 RP: hrw said that all any and noarch are the same and that OE only uses "all" - so why keep the others then? Jan 23 11:51:58 Jin^eLD: Compatibility Jan 23 11:52:03 I see.. Jan 23 11:52:12 They don't hurt anything Jan 23 11:52:16 well, I fixed my machine.conf so I guess that's no prob anymore Jan 23 11:52:59 btw, happy to see that meta-toolchain finally builds without problems now Jan 23 11:53:13 only minor thing is an empty usr directory that gets added to the tar on root level Jan 23 11:53:37 so I added rm -rf ${SDK_OUTPUT}/usr to the .bb, before creating the tar Jan 23 11:54:57 does any1 knows where the packages for each image or distro are defined? Jan 23 11:56:05 undertook: the distro conf has some preferred package versions, otherwise I think the latest versions of the packages are used; what packages are included is either in the distro.conf or in the various task packages Jan 23 11:56:10 at least that's what I figured out so far :) Jan 23 11:56:23 good morning Jan 23 11:56:51 hi florian Jan 23 11:56:57 Could someone take a look on the patches at http://people.debian.org/~otavio/OE/patches/ ? Jan 23 11:57:11 Jin^eLD :well let see.... Jan 23 11:58:13 Laibsch: any news on collie? Jan 23 11:58:50 no Jan 23 11:58:57 I still have the old problem Jan 23 11:59:03 the old 2 problems Jan 23 11:59:12 1) rootfs not working Jan 23 11:59:25 2) too little CPU power to test things Jan 23 11:59:45 I am doing an Angstrom legacy compile now Jan 23 12:00:31 the DMZ project is probably finished this week Jan 23 12:00:46 nice Jan 23 12:00:53 looking forward to it Jan 23 12:05:46 dmz? Jan 23 12:05:57 re Jan 23 12:06:22 demilitarized zone (for a compile machine in this case) Jan 23 12:06:37 morning hrw Jan 23 12:06:40 a Militarized Zone would be much more fun Jan 23 12:06:42 undertook: which exactly version of madwifi-ng was built? Jan 23 12:08:19 can one assist me in getting a external gcc used by oe ? Jan 23 12:10:08 hrw the error is from madwifi-ng_r2702-20070903.bb the version is madwifi-ng-r2702-20070903.tar.gz Jan 23 12:10:30 hrw :is there any wait to put a more stable version? Jan 23 12:11:07 hmm. 2702 should be correct Jan 23 12:11:15 which kernel version was used? Jan 23 12:12:16 hrw :kernel compiled succesfully and booted fine, kernel version is latest bzImage-2.6.23+2.6.24-rc5-r3-alix.bin Jan 23 12:13:04 hrw :you thing that kernel version should have to do with the compilation problem of madwifi? Jan 23 12:13:30 i am also trying to find out where "task-base-extended Jan 23 12:13:38 is defined... Jan 23 12:15:38 ok i think i have found that packages of a distro are defined by MACHINE_FEATURES. Jan 23 12:15:58 undertook: madwifi snapshots are targetted at newer kernels Jan 23 12:16:18 undertook: please try newer one if you can. it was a bit of time since last time I did alix build Jan 23 12:17:36 hrw :newer kernel or madwifi? Jan 23 12:17:39 madwifi Jan 23 12:17:58 hrw :how should i force a madwifi cvs build? Jan 23 12:18:59 undertook: bitbake -b path/madwifi-ng_rSNAPSHOT-NEWER-then-2702 Jan 23 12:19:19 try r2826 for example Jan 23 12:19:42 hrw :ok let see. thanks Jan 23 12:21:33 * undertook is crossing fingers Jan 23 12:24:48 well the problem is bitbake can't find tmp/staging/alix-angstrom-linux/kernel/arch/x86/Makefile: No such file or directory Jan 23 12:25:23 the arch doesn't exist at all Jan 23 12:25:48 looks like we need to update OE to x86 arch handling Jan 23 12:26:23 ;-) Jan 23 12:31:03 hi steliosk Jan 23 12:31:44 So, can anyone tell me where packages are splitted in -dev and 'normal' packages automaticaly ? Jan 23 12:32:49 gm steliosk Jan 23 12:33:06 glad to see you are getting back to work :) Jan 23 12:39:42 hi Jan 23 12:39:58 the OE site is down, is the monotone server also also down? Jan 23 12:42:16 hrw , Crofton hi ! Jan 23 12:42:31 Crofton : trying to.... Jan 23 12:46:51 why is buildroot able to build uclibc avr32 stuff but openembedded not ?? Jan 23 12:50:00 rob_w|laptop: because avr32 support is not yet public due to some reasons Jan 23 12:50:15 legal ? Jan 23 12:50:25 steliosk know more Jan 23 12:50:27 so buildroot has solved this ? Jan 23 12:50:55 OE is able to build avr32 - but this part is not public Jan 23 12:51:05 thats what I wanted to say Jan 23 12:51:24 hrw, so ? whats the deal for me ? Jan 23 12:51:49 do i need to get away from oe and use crappy buildroot or will i be able to use oe anyhow ? Jan 23 12:52:22 steliosk know more Jan 23 12:52:22 rob_w|laptop, call up atmel and ask them to support OE ... Jan 23 12:52:48 so is there any binary condition involved ? Jan 23 12:53:01 Wow, angstrom-legacy is building glibc-intermediate-2.6.1? Doesn't look right to m Jan 23 12:53:02 me Jan 23 12:53:44 steliosk, can i get a chat with you about oe and avr32 ? Jan 23 12:53:53 does any1 also knows why if i put any distro in "uclibc" mode i get an error about not finding an external toolchain which i haven't asked? Jan 23 12:55:33 gm mickeyl Jan 23 12:55:34 rob_w|laptop why don't you talk here so we can see too... Jan 23 12:55:45 i am trying to Jan 23 12:56:26 rob_w|laptop : do you have problem with avr32 compilation...? Jan 23 12:56:48 undertook, yes Jan 23 12:58:31 erm Jan 23 12:58:45 is openembedded.org down for anyone but me? Jan 23 12:59:21 I think oe.org dns got borked ... Jan 23 12:59:27 i keep getting answers like " Atmel needs to support oe " and things but i cant see the reason .. is there any firmware needed which oe doesnt sing or whats the deal ? Jan 23 12:59:53 hm oe.org came up for me ... Jan 23 13:00:31 rob_w|laptop :buildroot from atmel is just a working toolchain for you atm. Jan 23 13:00:39 site is down for me Jan 23 13:01:04 is buildroot from atmel ? Jan 23 13:01:04 site is down for me too. Jan 23 13:01:15 i mean atmel's version. Jan 23 13:01:49 http://www.atmel.no/buildroot/source/buildroot-avr32-v2.1.0.tar.bz2 Jan 23 13:02:27 this is the buildroot version modified from atmel for better support of avr32. Jan 23 13:02:36 hmm ok Jan 23 13:03:46 so what is in there which we cant get into oe ? isnt it just a matter of correct ulibc+gcc combinations ? Jan 23 13:08:35 like I said - OE support for avr32 is not public. why? I do not want to discuss Jan 23 13:10:38 hrw :it would be nice to share that with the community though... Jan 23 13:11:23 it is not mine decision how it is now Jan 23 13:12:03 rob_w|laptop : You can always use the existing avr32 in OE and get it working yourself.... That;s why they call it OpenSource Jan 23 13:15:09 rob_w|laptop : just use the link i gave you, it will do the job for now. Jan 23 13:15:29 Laibsch : Yep, i found it yesterday myself, as i mistook -legacy to stable Jan 23 13:15:40 could someone quickly tell me what's the difference between rt2570 and rt2570-k2wrlz for the rt2x00 package ? Jan 23 13:16:14 in stable also mono does not build for x86 Jan 23 13:17:22 steliosk: IOW, one needs to compile against stable branch, not legacy from .dev? Jan 23 13:17:24 hi Crofton Jan 23 13:17:35 steliosk: If that is the case, it should be removed Jan 23 13:17:48 http://users.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/~ttsiod/buildWikipediaOffline.html Jan 23 13:17:58 Laibsch : it looks like it Jan 23 13:18:07 zecke|away, mickeyl: I think you might be interested in above like Jan 23 13:18:22 mickeyl : hi ! Jan 23 13:18:29 hey steliosk, how are things? Jan 23 13:18:53 mickeyl : getting better day by day ;) Jan 23 13:19:04 :-) Jan 23 13:19:26 * otavio think that he finally solved the problem with cmake -> qmake -> qt4 Jan 23 13:19:39 mickeyl : my son, got its first touch on a keyboard last week :) Jan 23 13:19:55 hehe, cool Jan 23 13:19:59 hope he enjoyed it Jan 23 13:19:59 steliosk: how old is him? Jan 23 13:20:11 Laibsch: ya, sounds interesting Jan 23 13:20:15 2 months 11days old Jan 23 13:20:22 steliosk: hehe great Jan 23 13:20:28 steliosk: awesome Jan 23 13:20:53 steliosk: show him gcompris Jan 23 13:20:58 are you going to read computer books to him? Jan 23 13:21:47 the funny thing is that when he is crying my wife takes him to my office at home where there are ton of leds blinking from all the gismos that are in there Jan 23 13:21:53 and he goes quiet Jan 23 13:21:56 looking around Jan 23 13:22:27 ;)) Jan 23 13:22:51 Crofton : We have been reading books to him since my wife was 6 months pregnant :) Jan 23 13:22:59 * Crofton has been told he was potty trained with electrical components Jan 23 13:23:16 hehe Jan 23 13:23:52 !oebug 3711 Jan 23 13:23:54 * * Bug 3711, Status: NEW, Created: 2008-01-23 13:23 Jan 23 13:23:55 * * : offline wikipedia Jan 23 13:23:56 * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3711 Jan 23 13:23:59 I am going to read for my daugther but not computer books (at least not for start) Jan 23 13:24:06 mickeyl: see above bug Jan 23 13:24:18 but I have 'robot tales' by Asimov at shelf ;D Jan 23 13:24:24 hrw : yeah we started with children books Jan 23 13:24:48 ok Jan 23 13:24:54 hrw : the started on the books tought at elementary school Jan 23 13:25:06 and now we are moving up... Jan 23 13:25:24 Linux for babies :) the new best seller at amazon ;) Jan 23 13:26:15 * broonie caused lots of trouble at school because my reading age was so far ahead of the books they were trying to teach the class with it caused confusion. Jan 23 13:27:44 Laibsch : Does bugzilla work for you ? Jan 23 13:27:51 yes Jan 23 13:27:59 I have a modified hosts files Jan 23 13:28:03 tried it several times today, can't open the page Jan 23 13:28:13 you can also try .net instead of .org Jan 23 13:28:17 ahhh dns issues Jan 23 13:28:24 of course ;-) Jan 23 13:28:30 * Laibsch points to topic Jan 23 13:31:47 hrw: good choice, Asimov :-) Jan 23 13:32:23 * XorA curses schools and reading Jan 23 13:36:38 asimov was offlimit in school ... Jan 23 13:38:22 chouimat|busy: thats fairly common Jan 23 13:38:55 XorA: a) scifi is not literature and b) wasn't written by a French (or Quebec ) author Jan 23 13:38:56 chouimat|busy: Lord of the Rings is banned in most UK schools even though it was written by an expert on English Jan 23 13:39:16 zecke|away: I now see that you had already previously pointed me to that article ;-) Jan 23 13:39:50 XorA: and after the "crap" they force us to read they wonder why people don't read more =) Jan 23 13:40:05 XorA: why? Jan 23 13:40:24 chouimat|busy: I recently realised all the books I was forced to read at school involved older men beating/killing/raping young girls Jan 23 13:40:32 chouimat|busy: that doesnt say much for English treachers Jan 23 13:40:34 XorA: hehe Jan 23 13:40:46 hrw: promote paganism :) Jan 23 13:41:06 hrw: apparently its quality of english isnt good enough or some crap like that Jan 23 13:41:43 ;D Jan 23 13:42:23 XorA: I had to read a masterpiece of quebec literature and the priest who teaching french told us not to do like the people in the book ... the guy was doing something like 12 differents women (more or less at the same time) Jan 23 13:42:38 ok time to go to work bb in about 45 - 50 minutes Jan 23 13:54:44 XorA: Well, I'd agree with that assessment of it. Jan 23 14:16:10 i have some avr32 boards for sale. anyone interested ? Jan 23 14:16:39 steliosk: those boards OE doesnt support :-) Jan 23 14:16:50 well it looks like it will soon Jan 23 14:16:55 YAY!!!! Jan 23 14:17:19 RP made it clear :) Jan 23 14:18:35 ~curse ltg machine for so slow mail delivery Jan 23 14:18:36 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ltg machine for so slow mail delivery ! Jan 23 14:18:38 * XorA wonders if he has any use of wierd architecture Jan 23 14:19:23 steliosk: Cool, what boards? Jan 23 14:19:36 NGW100 or one of the devboards? Jan 23 14:20:42 undertook, so the avr buildroot breaks at gettext Jan 23 14:20:46 damn it Jan 23 14:20:56 alphaone : stk1000 Jan 23 14:21:05 nice Jan 23 14:21:10 steliosk, what looks like that avr will be supported soon ? Jan 23 14:21:17 steliosk: I'd be interested, how much? Jan 23 14:21:37 alphaone, of what type is your avr32 board? Jan 23 14:21:54 alphaone : not sure, have to check the invoices on how much the "free boards" end it up costing Jan 23 14:22:33 Shoragan: I've got an NGW100 Jan 23 14:25:11 steliosk: Heh, okay. Just let me know when you got it all sorted out. No hurry :-) Jan 23 14:25:52 oh genius, stories with Pigs are now banned in UK schools Jan 23 14:27:05 ? Jan 23 14:27:17 XorA: Showing pr=n instead? Jan 23 14:27:22 pr0n Jan 23 14:27:22 Like the animal farm? Jan 23 14:27:37 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7204635.stm Jan 23 14:30:40 rob_w|laptop :Don't wait all packages to compile cleanly, i don't remember if gettext would work. Jan 23 14:31:13 crap i dont need multilingual at all but it is hard to remove it from buildroot config Jan 23 14:32:48 XorA: That means no more lord of the flies which is probably a good thing ;-) Jan 23 14:33:17 RP: bonus I hadnt thought of that Jan 23 14:35:32 undertook, can you guide me to use the avr32 gcc inside of oe ? Jan 23 14:36:03 RP : Hi ! Jan 23 14:36:23 steliosk: hi! Jan 23 14:36:59 RP: BTW some time at OEDEM you said something about forcing --as-needed in libtool, did you ever try that? Jan 23 14:37:26 XorA: I was thinking of it in LDFLAGS but not I never did try it Jan 23 14:37:39 it is still on my todo list, I saw it the other day... Jan 23 14:37:41 RP : Thanks for waiting a day to bring the avr32 matter up ;) Got an spare stk1000 if you are interested to get X working Jan 23 14:38:20 which monotone mirror do we use nowadays? Jan 23 14:38:32 topic one? Jan 23 14:38:39 linuxtogo.org? Jan 23 14:38:40 RP: cool, I must find time to try it, stuff gets insane dependencies due to over enthusiastic linking Jan 23 14:38:58 RP: I dont suppose there is a method of doing it at the same time we call strip? Jan 23 14:39:11 I wonder do we can do something with ltg to not wait few hours for mails... Jan 23 14:39:15 zecke : hi ! Jan 23 14:39:32 mailing list seems not be working either Jan 23 14:39:40 XorA: Might be worth looking through the debian-devel archives for last month. Jan 23 14:39:51 broonie: oh, common theme? Jan 23 14:39:55 got a mail bounced back Jan 23 14:40:03 XorA: IIRC there was a thread about it, someone may have tried doing it for Debian. Jan 23 14:40:21 broonie: Ill try and remeber that Jan 23 14:40:41 There was certainly what looked like an interesting technical discussion, anyway. Jan 23 14:41:02 this came up when I examined dependencies of stuff for n810 Jan 23 14:41:15 rob_w|laptop :i have no idea about OE + Avr32 Jan 23 14:41:25 epdfview depends on cups, just becuase a gtk+ plugin does, and epdfview doesnt even use that plugin Jan 23 14:41:42 the question would be how do i use a external toolchain within oe Jan 23 14:42:28 XorA: make OE generate packages for tablet Jan 23 14:44:19 rob_w|laptop :i think this is included in the angstrom docs. Jan 23 14:44:28 ok i check Jan 23 14:47:12 hrw: rschuster already did Jan 23 14:49:37 hrw: built e.g. gpe-scap right from OE: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=4 Jan 23 14:49:44 nud: looks like there is quite a bit of interest in PXA270 camera drivers on the ARM list lately :-) Jan 23 14:50:07 cbrake: noticed it Jan 23 14:50:37 yet it's not supported in OO, and it doesn't implement saa7113 support Jan 23 14:51:07 rschuster: just need to see about getting that DEBIANNAMES bit into OE Jan 23 14:51:18 rschuster: nice Jan 23 14:51:42 XorA: will do this now Jan 23 14:51:45 rschuster: it use external mamo toolchain or build new? Jan 23 14:51:57 rschuster: no panic, I cant fiddle at moment, got OM work to do Jan 23 14:52:12 hrw: I am using CS gcc 3.4.4 from OE for that Jan 23 14:52:31 rschuster: and I was thinking we should break out libdbus into dbus-lib package, then it matches debian much closers Jan 23 14:52:49 but this compiler is just ... well. it crashes often Jan 23 14:53:44 then I just wait on a jvm that can run maptool in OE Jan 23 14:53:48 then I can be happy Jan 23 14:55:10 morning Jan 23 14:57:10 XorA: Adding qtopia-phone is on your radar? Jan 23 14:57:43 zecke: working on it now Jan 23 14:57:53 zecke: one step forward 2 steps back Jan 23 14:58:15 XorA: Ah, that' the qt dance ;) Jan 23 14:59:54 XorA: see, it is certainly on my radar again? We could both do it and claim the other one is on crack or be lame and co-operate ;) Jan 23 15:00:16 zecke: Id prefer to work with you, as Im a qtopia newb Jan 23 15:00:23 zecke: and you are certainly the master Jan 23 15:01:00 XorA: not on the new stuff, but I think the big jumbo tarball is something we don't want to integrate into OE Jan 23 15:01:37 zecke: no we dont, but the big jumble I think I need to have working for OM timescales Jan 23 15:02:15 XorA: so you would compile everything and then split packages? Jan 23 15:03:01 zecke: well when I first looked I wanted to build on top of the qtopia core stuff you already did, then I found the build system :-( Jan 23 15:03:21 zecke: I didnt know you were working on cutting it into sensible modules Jan 23 15:03:54 XorA: my master plan is to get QtopiaCore and qmake right (otavio and tom are helping here) and then add piece by piece Jan 23 15:04:31 zecke: On the subject of qmake, did my native -> cross change in poky make sense? Jan 23 15:05:23 RP: I fear I have not looked at it, it probably does and atfer one week in Oslo I have to finish the last bits here at GMIT :} Jan 23 15:06:31 zecke: that certainly sounds like the way to progress Jan 23 15:06:42 zecke: np. I have no clue what qmake does so an opinion from someone clueful would be appreicated. It can wait though :) Jan 23 15:06:54 RP: join the club :-) Jan 23 15:07:29 meta/external-toolchain.bb looks interesting .. Jan 23 15:08:13 XorA: How fast do you have to show results? I would prefer to do once and properly and continue with the splitting Jan 23 15:09:04 zecke: well my deadline is 2 weeks, but maybe as this community project is already established I should go back to my boss and point out I am hacking away on something that will be binned Jan 23 15:09:37 rob_w|laptop : :-) Jan 23 15:09:43 XorA: hehe Jan 23 15:09:56 zecke: BTW are you getting PRIVMSG Jan 23 15:10:42 XorA: yes, I do and I'm still thinking Jan 23 15:10:56 zecke: cool, I can never truct freenode Jan 23 15:10:59 trust Jan 23 15:11:11 "mtn: network error: name resolution failure for monotone.openembedded.org: Name or service not known" Jan 23 15:11:11 ?? Jan 23 15:11:13 maybe singing "I (just) don't know what todo with myself" explains stuff : Jan 23 15:11:27 rschuster: see the topic as well :) Jan 23 15:11:28 zecke: ah crisis of direction :-) Jan 23 15:12:08 zecke: topic is too long for pidgin's one line topic label ... Jan 23 15:12:25 rschuster: double-click on it Jan 23 15:12:27 rschuster: try typing /topic? Jan 23 15:12:31 then you can see it all Jan 23 15:12:43 yeah but it didn't in irssi's header as well Jan 23 15:12:48 lol. didn't know that. thanks! Jan 23 15:12:55 me neither Jan 23 15:13:02 learn something new every day Jan 23 15:13:58 hrw: I will start committing bug 2430 stuff one by one Jan 23 15:14:11 starting with the update-font-common package itself Jan 23 15:14:19 That only adds something and changes nothing yet Jan 23 15:14:32 my "mtn status" is growing beyond proportions again Jan 23 15:15:17 how would i create a SRC_URI which graps a latest of any app-XXX.tgz ? so the highest version ? Jan 23 15:16:00 rob_w|laptop: Unless there is a "latest" URL I don't think that is possible Jan 23 15:16:20 and you probably don't want that anyway since it would mess with PV Jan 23 15:16:34 yeah PV is needed also .. hmm Jan 23 15:22:46 uclibc support is full or partial? Jan 23 15:27:09 undertook: madwifi r2826 builds Jan 23 15:27:20 RP: It does not work yet (kernel.bbclass change). http://rafb.net/p/Prk6fw24.html Do you have an idea what I need to adjust? Jan 23 15:40:10 Laibsch: it sounds like base_less_or_equal takes a float and 2.6.17 isn't a floating point number Jan 23 15:40:57 Laibsch: There is a version comparision function in bitbake somewhere Jan 23 15:57:54 is the OE SDK in any better shape than it was a month ago ? Jan 23 15:58:10 steliosk: which SDK? Jan 23 15:58:11 anyone tried to build/use it ? Jan 23 15:58:40 steliosk: I built meta-toolchain for armv4t last week with gcc4.2, only the gfortran binary was not installed Jan 23 15:59:45 does OE needs to use external toolchain to support uclibc? Jan 23 15:59:52 zecke : yep , that one :) Did you also test it if it works ? Jan 23 15:59:57 undertook : no Jan 23 16:00:09 steliosk: Let me untar :) Jan 23 16:00:18 steliosk: how do you define working? compiling a hello world app? Jan 23 16:00:38 undertook: no Jan 23 16:00:38 zecke : That would be a very good first step ;) Jan 23 16:00:42 because it keeps saying me that it found no external toolchain when i enable uclibc mode. Jan 23 16:01:21 undertook : what distro ? What machine ? what local.conf ? ;) Jan 23 16:01:44 angstrom2008.1/alix machine Jan 23 16:02:26 undertook: btw - do you have alix board? Jan 23 16:02:41 hrw :yeap. Jan 23 16:02:57 undertook: what you use it for? (just curious) Jan 23 16:02:59 steliosk: compiled the hello foo Jan 23 16:03:24 zecke : That's nice to know :)) Jan 23 16:03:25 steliosk: the resulting binary looks sane as well, I have to admit I can't execute it atm Jan 23 16:03:33 hrw :nothing just for testing purposes. Jan 23 16:03:45 steliosk: I did not try mips or ppc as archs though Jan 23 16:04:04 zecke : will start from x86 Jan 23 16:04:47 x86 arc btw can't compile pci features. Jan 23 16:04:52 arch. Jan 23 16:05:23 btw what the policy on updating angstrom stable ? Jan 23 16:06:16 i had problem compiling madwifi package cause of missing arch in a kernel path Jan 23 16:07:11 undertook : well i haven't done any actually development for over a month now, and that's like for ever on OE Jan 23 16:07:55 steliosk: all commits to Angstrom stable have to be acked by two Angstrom devs Jan 23 16:08:11 steliosk :sure just to have it in mind. i used i586 ARCH. Jan 23 16:08:20 steliosk: on the mailing list Jan 23 16:08:57 XorA : Which ml ? We have several of those now :) oe or angstrom-devs ? Jan 23 16:09:15 steliosk: Angstrom ones I beleive Jan 23 16:09:31 steliosk: angstrom stable is now out of OE's umbrella :) Jan 23 16:12:42 * steliosk hopes it does not rain Jan 23 16:13:15 undertook: I sent two patches for Alix to review Jan 23 16:14:28 undertook: as usual it will take some time Jan 23 16:14:46 undertook: edit classes/kernel-arch.bbclass and add 'x86' to the first list Jan 23 16:14:59 undertook: then build madwifi-nf r2826 instead of r2702 Jan 23 16:53:00 lol have to reboot an older kernel to use scratchbox... this is why it is superior :) Jan 23 16:57:17 wow wrong kernel again ;) Jan 23 17:13:08 ~seen holtman Jan 23 17:13:11 zecke: i haven't seen 'holtman' Jan 23 17:13:14 ~seen holtmann Jan 23 17:13:15 holtmann was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 209d 42m 28s ago, saying: 'I would need one for Canada currently. However debugging with the speaker or microphone is simpler since I don't need a working GSM subsystem.'. Jan 23 17:13:50 okay, I officially hate bluez-utils now Jan 23 17:17:05 mtn: connecting to monotone.openembedded.org Jan 23 17:17:05 mtn: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused Jan 23 17:17:07 :S Jan 23 17:17:17 NineX: see topic Jan 23 17:17:35 bye Jan 23 17:28:51 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r8bd28d90... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/libgpephone_svn.bb): libgpephone: fix svn uri Jan 23 17:28:58 03florian 07org.oe.dev * rdd0723c7... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/libgpephone_svn.bb): libgpephone: Fix source dir name. Jan 23 17:29:05 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r1cc9d40e... 10/ (1 packages/gsm/libgsmd-lips_svn.bb): libgsmd-lips: Drop obsolete package. Jan 23 17:29:13 03florian 07org.oe.dev * re2acd7ca... 10/ (1 packages/gpe-filemanager/gpe-filemanager_0.31.bb): gpe-filemanager: Add 0.31 Jan 23 17:29:18 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rb4db7faf... 10/ (1 classes/kernel-arch.bbclass): kernel-arch.bbclass: x86 is now proper arch in kernel Jan 23 17:29:23 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r5ff718fd... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): zbedic: update libbedic to 1.1 and zbedic to 1.2 Jan 23 17:29:28 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r72f985b2... 10/ (1 packages/libgcrypt/libgcrypt_1.4.0.bb): libgcrypt_1.4.0.bb : add new version Jan 23 17:29:33 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r58a64bc4... 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Jan 23 17:29:33 font-update-common: first commit, partly closes bug 2430 Jan 23 17:29:33 * a GUI-agnostic update handler for registering fonts for use by the GUI Jan 23 17:29:33 * GUI-specific parts are yet to be committed and need to depend on this package Jan 23 17:29:38 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rec7917dc... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): madwifi-ng: make 'alix' use newer snapshot Jan 23 17:29:43 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r8e8a1c48... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): openssl: Add patch to build for avr32 Jan 23 17:33:48 03koen 07unknown * r0f6b8e8f... 10/ (1 site/avr32-common): site/avr32-common: add more entries Jan 23 17:33:53 03koen 07unknown * rbcbcd3db... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): avr32-gcc, avr32-gcc-cross: add 4.1.2 Jan 23 17:34:01 03koen 07unknown * ree4179d0... 10/ (27 files in 3 dirs): uclibc: massively improve avr32 support, courtesy Stelios Koroneos Jan 23 17:34:06 03koen 07unknown * r325ead5d... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): linux 2.6.18: improve avr32 support, courtesy Stelios Koroneos Jan 23 17:34:12 03koen 07unknown * re754c3f9... 10/ (94 files in 3 dirs): linux-2.6.18: add avr32 patches, courtes Stelios Koroneos Jan 23 17:34:17 03koen 07unknown * ra81dc443... 10/ (1 conf/machine/at32stk1000.conf conf/machine/atngw100.conf): at32stk1000, atngw100: fix machine features and uboot version Jan 23 17:34:22 03koen 07unknown * r979e7302... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): busybox: fix avr32 build, courtesy Stelios Koroneos Jan 23 17:34:28 03koen 07unknown * r419af188... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux 2.6.18: add avr32 defconfigs Jan 23 17:34:34 03koen 07unknown * r73b3fea2... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): binutils 2.17: improve avr32 support Jan 23 17:34:39 03koen 07unknown * rcb45e5c9... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): libmad: add conditional patch for avr32 optimizations Jan 23 17:34:43 03koen 07unknown * reef10bc1... 10/ (1 packages/libmad/libmad_0.15.1b.bb): libmad: fix SRC_URI Jan 23 17:34:48 03koen 07unknown * r50c56d6b... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): mplayer: add conditional patch to speed up AVR32 Jan 23 17:34:53 03koen 07unknown * rd113460c... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): uclibc 0.9.28: add missing avr32 patch Jan 23 17:34:58 03koen 07unknown * r6570be85... 10/ (1 packages/gcc/gcc-package-cross.inc): Jan 23 17:34:58 gcc-package-cross.inc: avr32 gcc doesn't create lib*.so, so don't error out on missing files Jan 23 17:34:58 * bad fix, the check needs fixing Jan 23 17:35:03 03koen 07unknown * r60f3f725... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): utillinux: add patch to fix avr32 compilation Jan 23 17:35:07 03koen 07unknown * ref59785d... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): busybox: add defconfig for avr32 that disables md5, since that fails to link Jan 23 17:35:12 03koen 07unknown * r743bd37e... 10/ (1 conf/machine/at32stk1000.conf conf/machine/atngw100.conf): avr32 machines: remove uImage from rootfs, needs a better way Jan 23 17:35:20 03koen 07unknown * rdedc5497... 10/ (1 site/avr32-common): avr32 site: add ac_cv_linux_vers=${ac_cv_linux_vers=2} Jan 23 17:35:23 03koen 07unknown * rd0b06899... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): avr32 gcc: update to atmel 1.1.0 release Jan 23 17:35:28 03koen 07unknown * r56e7ad18... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): avahi: add IPV6 definitions to make compilation go further Jan 23 17:35:33 03koen 07unknown * r30776ae9... 10/ (1 packages/gcc/gcc-package-cross.inc): gcc-package-cross: fix for avr32-gcc and cross-linkage changes Jan 23 17:35:37 03koen 07unknown * r927ec4fb... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): xserver-kdrive: make 1.3.0.0 and 1.4 build Jan 23 17:35:42 03koen 07unknown * r60ed8ee8... 10/ (1 site/avr32-common): site: add more entries for avr32 Jan 23 17:35:48 03koen 07unknown * rfe4e349c... 10/ (1 packages/gcc/gcc-cross_4.1.2.bb packages/gcc/gcc_4.1.2.bb): gcc: merge avr32 bits into proper gcc files Jan 23 17:35:53 03koen 07unknown * r77e1041d... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf): angstrom 2008: use proper gcc for avr32 Jan 23 17:35:58 03koen 07unknown * r4a915ee0... 10/ (1 packages/gcc/gcc-package-cross.inc): gcc-package-cross.inc: re-add avr32 safeguards lost in merge Jan 23 17:36:02 03koen 07unknown * ra414dc46... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): gcc: move avr32 stuff into gcc recipe and update to 4.2.1 Jan 23 17:36:07 03koen 07unknown * rd5eb7a48... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): angstrom: clean up avr32 bits Jan 23 17:36:12 03koen 07unknown * r98a24ed9... 10/ (1 conf/machine/atngw100.conf): atngw100: use linux kernel Jan 23 17:36:17 03koen 07unknown * re93d4833... 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): linux: add avr32 support for 2.6.23 Jan 23 17:36:22 03koen 07unknown * r3bb11549... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux.inc): linux.inc: fixlet for avr32 and gcc 4.2.1 Jan 23 17:36:28 03koen 07unknown * rcffd9753... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): gcc 4.2.1: merge with .dev Jan 23 17:36:32 03koen 07unknown * rfbdb1e0e... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf): angstrom 2008: prefer gcc 4.2.1 for avr32 Jan 23 17:36:37 03koen 07unknown * r08ab9a86... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux 2.6.23: add defconfig for stk1000 Jan 23 17:36:42 03koen 07unknown * rf1af8a59... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/angstrom-uclibc.inc): angstrom-uclibc: atler cflags to work around broken avr32 compiler Jan 23 17:36:46 03koen 07unknown * rcb846b7e... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux.inc): linux.inc: remove unsupported gcc option from build Jan 23 17:36:51 03koen 07unknown * r6765ce1f... 10/ (1 conf/machine/at32stk1000.conf conf/machine/atngw100.conf): avr32 machines: make uImage hack less fragile Jan 23 17:36:56 03koen 07unknown * rbb1b18fc... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf): angstrom 2008: fix merge damage (I need more coffee) Jan 23 17:38:32 seems someone threw an avr32 bomb at OE Jan 23 17:39:44 hehe Jan 23 17:39:55 XorA: on purpose by accident? Jan 23 17:49:43 zecke : Depends from which side you are looking at it Jan 23 17:49:53 i told koen to merge it Jan 23 17:50:17 i have send an email to the devs-private list but it bounced because of the dsn issues Jan 23 17:50:37 steliosk: well, I think the most you can get out of it now is a story on linuxdevices.com on your 'donation' :} Jan 23 17:52:19 zecke : You got it. it's all about fame ;) Jan 23 17:53:09 i hated to be the guy that hold OE back Jan 23 17:54:24 ? Jan 23 17:56:58 zecke, what particular dns issues? Jan 23 18:03:08 ggilbert_: that was steliosk I think Jan 23 18:03:24 steliosk: are you writing something? it is quite easy to submit stuff to linuxdevices.com Jan 23 18:03:32 steliosk: we need our website back first though :) Jan 23 18:03:38 hehe Jan 23 18:04:09 ggilbert_: *.openembedded.org no longer resolves Jan 23 18:04:13 zecke : Nop, i am not writing anything. let the ml be back and we can discuss it there Jan 23 18:04:51 steliosk: okay Jan 23 18:04:56 zecke : we need to get prepared for the flood of the gazilion avr32 users that will come asking for support Jan 23 18:05:03 XorA: ick, what happened? Jan 23 18:05:13 ggilbert_: no idea, kergoth holds DNS AFAIK Jan 23 18:05:22 ggilbert_: my guess is something expired Jan 23 18:05:54 Created On:21-Jan-2003 23:58:22 UTC Jan 23 18:05:54 Last Updated On:23-Jan-2008 07:46:59 UTC Jan 23 18:05:54 Expiration Date:21-Jan-2009 23:58:22 UTC Jan 23 18:06:09 Something tells me Kergoth just noticed it this morning :) Jan 23 18:06:19 ggilbert_: hehe, the usual :) Jan 23 18:14:12 well at least with the mailing list down the who is politer than who pissing match is quiet today :-) Jan 23 19:04:58 wow ebay.de replies to me in english Jan 23 19:08:23 imperalism everywhere Jan 23 19:09:41 steliosk: hey good work i just read the mail about the avr32 stuff.. unfortunately i cant answer as oe.org is yet unreachable for me Jan 23 19:10:38 XorA: Heh... well at least it didn't ask you "For english press 1, para espaniol oprima ochco" Jan 23 19:16:20 * XorA dreads the day software doesnt answer in english by default Jan 23 19:19:25 Any ipkg developer here? Jan 23 19:19:45 Kristoffer: I do not think that any of those are left at all :) Jan 23 19:19:56 when I had an ipkg problem it sort of turned out that noone really maintained it anymore Jan 23 19:20:17 Jin^eLD: Thats been the case forever I know, just wanted to hear if anything has happend recently Jan 23 19:20:24 :) Jan 23 19:20:39 Kristoffer: I think you just volunteered :) Jan 23 19:20:46 lol =) Jan 23 19:21:20 hvontres|work: :D Well, Im as always stuck in kernel land. Could be worth to do some cleanups atleast I guess. Jan 23 19:21:33 ipkg is now maintained Jan 23 19:21:40 XorA: by who? Jan 23 19:21:41 its called opkg and is in openmoko svn Jan 23 19:21:45 wow Jan 23 19:22:00 XorA: opkg? Jan 23 19:22:06 Open pkg Jan 23 19:22:33 Nice, they used the old ipkg code as template and started rewriting? Jan 23 19:22:44 is it openmokiosed? or a generic ;) Jan 23 19:22:54 its generic AFAIK Jan 23 19:23:20 anyone else other than openmoko using it yet? Jan 23 19:23:21 currently only changes are switching from wget to libcurl and incorporating the best of the OE patches to ipkg Jan 23 19:23:43 I hope to get angstrom using it when I have some spare time Jan 23 19:24:00 XorA: finally some progress then. Or atleast looks like it Jan 23 19:25:06 anyway time for me to offski Jan 23 19:35:18 how about the org DNS problem .. can one give me the ip of openembedded.org so i can keep working ? Jan 23 19:37:42 yeah id love the IP as well Jan 23 19:38:30 erm Jan 23 19:38:33 its openembedded.org right? Jan 23 19:38:43 use monotone.linuxtogo.org (see topic) Jan 23 19:38:52 !oemirrors Jan 23 19:39:04 ~oemirrors Jan 23 19:39:27 ~oe_mirrors Jan 23 19:39:32 ah cool thanks Jan 23 19:39:35 erm Jan 23 19:39:36 ~lart ibot Jan 23 19:39:36 * ibot cuts off hvontres|work's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper Jan 23 19:39:43 the domain is not registered Jan 23 19:39:48 im going to register it Jan 23 19:39:54 so noone steals it Jan 23 19:39:56 is that alright? Jan 23 19:40:14 ah crap Jan 23 19:40:18 i cant at my registrar Jan 23 19:40:26 wvdschel: I think the Core Devs are working on it already Jan 23 19:40:39 ah ok Jan 23 19:40:43 !!mirrors Jan 23 19:40:48 !mirrors Jan 23 19:40:58 ~mirrors Jan 23 19:40:59 well, mirrors is Official Debian archive mirrors get an address of the form ftp://ftp..debian.org. These are the best advertised and most used sites; the face of Debian for most people. A list is available at http://www.debian.org/mirror/official/ Jan 23 19:41:11 hehe Jan 23 19:41:21 ~oemirrors Jan 23 19:41:35 opensource.wolfsonmicro.com? Jan 23 19:41:42 monotone.nslu2-linux.org? Jan 23 19:51:26 except the mirrors dont work at the moment either :-) Jan 23 19:51:30 they arent syncing Jan 23 19:56:30 * XorA|gone has restart the wolfson mirror to make it sync Jan 23 20:04:31 Use the git tree ;) Jan 23 20:21:37 nite everyone Jan 23 20:46:38 I am compiling glib-2.0 , the configure script is saying that it is cross-compiling but I get an error configure: error: cannot run test program while cross compiling. when on growing stack pointer unless I define glib_cv_stack_grows=no in my devshell. Jan 23 20:47:50 the only "other" error I get is ERROR: Information not available for target 'x86_64-linux-gnueabi' while running bitbake . can the two be related? (playing with mamona "native) Jan 23 20:49:31 ( I guess that x86_64..... gnueabi does not really make sence Jan 23 20:50:07 * keesj just found the sites..... Jan 23 20:57:44 keesj: hehe, you want one for eglibc as well Jan 23 20:59:20 the oe/site contains configure marco's that help prevent these problems Jan 23 20:59:30 I am trying to understand the mapping :p Jan 23 20:59:49 zecke: bussy with eglibc? Jan 23 21:01:02 re Jan 23 21:36:11 XorA|gone: make packages FORMAT=ipkg Jan 23 21:52:37 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeqCnIX14eQ Jan 23 22:40:15 RP: adding -Wl,--as-needed to LDFLAGS doesnt seem to break building, cant build an image at the moment as bluez-utils is b0rk3e Jan 23 22:45:39 Crofton: "This video has been removed by the user" Jan 23 22:46:57 bummer Jan 23 22:47:21 some kid left a message with the guy in charge of schools asking why he had to go to school in the snow Jan 23 22:47:44 he received a rely from the guys wife calling him a snot faced kid and to get to school :) Jan 23 22:53:23 * XorA|gone realises he need USE flags in OE :-( Jan 23 22:56:25 hahaha Jan 23 22:56:27 or some sensible way to turn off huge swaithes of functionality like cups Jan 23 22:57:27 Don't we really need packaged staging? Jan 23 22:57:36 to control build env better? Jan 23 22:57:40 that as well, but I more need USE_FLAGS Jan 23 22:58:04 * Crofton needs to understand them I guess Jan 23 22:58:34 well for example say I have a handheld with not much flash which I know I will never print from, I dont want cups Jan 23 22:58:51 but most packages that can use cups in OE are configured to link against cups Jan 23 22:58:53 * cyrilRomain think that USE flag set with care are really sensible Jan 23 22:58:57 so they drag cups in Jan 23 22:59:13 so I get the choice of fork OE, or suffer the loss of flash Jan 23 23:00:24 XorA|gone: could you create a dummy-package that "PROVIDES" cups Jan 23 23:00:29 what if we did not put cups in staging, so it was not available? Jan 23 23:00:48 hvontres|work: that would have to be a null library Jan 23 23:00:59 Crofton: then those packages would fail to build Jan 23 23:01:04 compilation/linking would fail Jan 23 23:01:05 urg Jan 23 23:01:16 I wanted to be clear on that Jan 23 23:01:26 windows is the only place you can link without the libraries Jan 23 23:01:30 some cases they link against it because it was stgaed Jan 23 23:01:31 XorA|gone: USE flags lead to builds that are not deterministic... Jan 23 23:01:32 XorA|gone: What happens if you link against cups but don't install it? Jan 23 23:01:40 RP: this I know Jan 23 23:01:41 XorA|gone: All packages would have to be machine specific Jan 23 23:01:57 RP: although they could be DISTRO flags Jan 23 23:01:58 XorA|gone: Better to create a no-cups version of a package... Jan 23 23:02:27 as DISTRO's dont mix well anyway, but thats still open to abuser Jan 23 23:02:55 why not adding a md5 or sha to the name of built packages ? Jan 23 23:03:31 that md5 or sha based on the content (like list of dependencies, configure options,...) Jan 23 23:03:42 RP: Im not advocating USE flags, Im just trying to get my creative juices flowing Jan 23 23:04:04 It's late over there, go have a drink and sleep on it Jan 23 23:04:05 RP: did you see comment about --as-needed? Jan 23 23:04:14 XorA|gone: If we ever did implement anything like that they would not be called USE flags ;-) Jan 23 23:04:28 one of my colleagues dreamt about a bug report last night and came in a fixed it Jan 23 23:04:34 RP: DISTRO_REQUIRED_FEATURES = "cups" Jan 23 23:04:49 XorA|gone: I have now. Interesting. It'd be interesting to compare two images, one with and one without that Jan 23 23:05:08 RP: when angstrom 2008.1 is buildable I shall see what changes Jan 23 23:05:20 RP: Im hoping less dependencies Jan 23 23:05:33 XorA|gone: Why not then just set DEPENDS_distro and EXTRA_OECONF_distro ? Jan 23 23:05:51 RP: works for me, not sure it works when we have 100 DISTROS Jan 23 23:06:05 XorA|gone: You can actually do this in the distro.conf Jan 23 23:06:11 RP: although I could do what I did in openmoko Jan 23 23:06:12 all the more reason to avoid having one hundred distros Jan 23 23:06:25 RP: yeah, already did this tricks in openmoko for MACHINE_CLASS stuff Jan 23 23:06:45 pn- is probably the most evil thing I've added to OE... Jan 23 23:06:51 RP: we like it Jan 23 23:07:07 XorA|gone: its powerful. but evil... Jan 23 23:07:24 XorA|gone: Did you see the darwin overlay I wrote for poky using overrides? Jan 23 23:07:42 RP: no Jan 23 23:07:56 I managed to make it so the whole thing only added files, it didn't modify a single one... Jan 23 23:09:11 hmm, I could swear that patch was public but perhaps it isn't Jan 23 23:10:13 * RP notes to mention that patch on the mailing list Jan 23 23:17:43 XorA|gone: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/poky-darwin.patch Jan 23 23:18:58 RP: :-D Jan 23 23:19:24 and that will build clutter which works on an iphone :) Jan 23 23:20:11 heh Jan 23 23:20:51 RP: did you boot Angstrom or Poky on the iphone yet ? Jan 23 23:21:08 cyrilRomain: If there was a kernel I would ;-) Jan 23 23:21:28 RP: heh Jan 23 23:21:34 morning all Jan 23 23:21:39 That isn't work related btw, it was mainly to prove it would work ;-) Jan 23 23:21:44 * RP -> afk **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 24 01:05:20 2008 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 24 02:59:57 2008