**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 24 02:59:57 2008 Jan 24 06:59:10 hey stelios .. i will try you latest avr32 stuff .. if that works out .. i owe you big time . so consider you wishes for the donation ! Jan 24 07:46:35 hi! Jan 24 07:47:11 this is probably a FAQ, but what's the deal with the openembedded.org domain? Jan 24 07:53:01 jeremy_laine, down for maintanence. info in the channel topic Jan 24 08:07:39 kergoth: Can you please fix DNS? Thank you. Jan 24 08:24:57 jeremy_laine : hi ! Jan 24 08:35:08 hi steliosk! Jan 24 08:44:04 lo? Jan 24 08:52:25 can one point me to a mirror of http://www.oesources.org/source/current/ Jan 24 08:58:25 morning Jan 24 08:59:07 hrw: any idea what the case of the dns probs was and expected resolution... Jan 24 08:59:38 easydns reports ip as 85.214.40.226 but it doesn;t appear to have propagated.. Jan 24 08:59:53 FuzzyCat: ask kergoth? he maintain domain Jan 24 09:00:25 * FuzzyCat wakes kergoth with some jelly Jan 24 09:26:30 does anybody know if kdrive needs to be patched to work with nonstandard resolutions l ike 480x272 ? Jan 24 09:36:20 mmartin: probably need Jan 24 09:36:36 mmartin: we already added some resolutions so it should be easy to find out how Jan 24 10:04:34 mmartin: There is a patch in poky which allows the existing video mode to be reused... Jan 24 10:12:10 RP: can you veryify my logic on last comment in #3383 Jan 24 10:23:55 mtn merge Jan 24 10:24:05 damn mouse cables Jan 24 10:27:37 * hrw do not have mouse cable Jan 24 10:27:42 XorA: Verified, I'd commit it ;-) Jan 24 10:28:13 RP: I should be able to friday night I hope, got to get back onto OM work today Jan 24 10:29:27 XorA: I'd have thought that worked for OM ;-) Jan 24 10:45:19 RP: hmm, causes a slitghly clumsy syntax in distro.conf DEBIANNAME_dbus_pn-dbus = "dbus" Jan 24 10:46:06 XorA: A neccessary evil though... Jan 24 10:46:20 RP: as long as you are happy with that, Ill commit Jan 24 10:51:32 XorA: Its fine with me Jan 24 10:51:45 RP: cheers Jan 24 10:52:34 chinook-compat.conf will get closer to life :-) Jan 24 10:52:54 * RP has wanted to do that for a long time... Jan 24 10:52:55 XorA: work on it, work Jan 24 10:53:08 hrw: its mostly working Jan 24 10:53:18 hrw: rschuster did a good job Jan 24 10:53:23 XorA: so if I buy n810 I would be able to say "screw you maemo" and use OE to build software Jan 24 10:53:33 hrw: yes, it seems so Jan 24 10:54:50 ;) Jan 24 10:54:58 one feed to rule them out ;) Jan 24 10:55:39 like RP told few days ago I have a slight chip on shoulder when it comes to Finnish tablets Jan 24 10:55:56 hrw: I would never have beleived it :-) Jan 24 10:59:05 if you say so Jan 24 10:59:17 ok, DEBIANNAME handling is now pushed Jan 24 11:03:57 and now bugtracker crasses :-( Jan 24 11:04:03 OE is a disaster today Jan 24 11:04:39 steliosk: hi Jan 24 11:04:55 hrw : morning Jan 24 11:18:39 hrw: its more like a boulder ;-) Jan 24 11:19:15 :_D Jan 24 11:22:08 'D Jan 24 11:25:20 you will become the hunchback of OE Jan 24 11:28:53 * XorA has now got a patch ready to go that breaks the libs out of cups, cutting dependencies from 2.3M of cups to 100k of just cups libs Jan 24 11:30:26 hahah Jan 24 11:31:32 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r95af156c... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): python-dbus: remove dbus-python, add staging for python-dbus Jan 24 11:31:38 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rf4e5cfc2... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Jan 24 11:31:38 python-edbus: remove BROKENness, now that python-dbus stages its includes Jan 24 11:31:38 python-efl: RDEPEND on python-edbus, now that it builds Jan 24 11:31:46 03xora 07org.oe.dev * rd01c50d1... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): dbus.inc : break library out into seperate package, bump PR accordingly Jan 24 11:31:52 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r167f998e... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux_2.6.23.bb): linux 2.6.23: avr32 doesn't like the stable patches, so lets not use those Jan 24 11:31:58 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rb5cdc069... 10/ (1 conf/machine/at32stk1000.conf conf/machine/atngw100.conf): avr32 machines: remove postprocess hack as newer uboots load uImage from the rootfs Jan 24 11:32:06 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r11277574... 10/ (17 files in 3 dirs): Jan 24 11:32:06 gtk+_2.12.3.bb : latest gtk+, re-enabled cups plugin as its been Jan 24 11:32:06 bugfixed. Jan 24 11:32:11 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r030aef29... 10/ (1 packages/gtk+/gtk+.inc): gtk+.inc : gtk+ will use cups if its around so depend on it explicitly Jan 24 11:32:17 03xora 07org.oe.dev * rab8b1c1e... 10/ (1 classes/debian.bbclass): Jan 24 11:32:17 debian.bbclass : altered version of the patch in #3383, this allows us Jan 24 11:32:17 to change the debian renaming of a package without resorting to python Jan 24 11:32:17 in the recipe. Makes recipes cleaner and is overrideable in distros Jan 24 11:32:18 that need different renaming. Jan 24 11:32:20 Original patch from Robert Schuster Jan 24 11:32:25 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r7486354d... 10/ (1 packages/dbus/dbus.inc): dbus.inc : use the new DEBIANNAME variable to rename dbus->dbus-1 Jan 24 11:32:32 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r384ae5fe... 10/ (1 packages/libxml/libxml2_2.6.29.bb): libxml2_2.6.29.bb : use new DEBIANNAME handling to rename libxml2 Jan 24 11:34:09 XorA: tried to replace maemo libs with armv6 builds? Jan 24 11:37:20 hrw: nope, OE isnt building 100% compatible ones so Im scared to break me tablet Jan 24 11:44:22 and as usual they use insane amount of patches? Jan 24 11:51:43 * Laibsch sends off a mail to ggilbert Jan 24 11:51:55 not OE's most stable days Jan 24 11:59:40 sadly, due to Nokias disgusting behaviour in recent days, this company is effectively dead for me. Jan 24 12:00:15 * XorA wonders what nokia did Jan 24 12:01:57 they made a billion-dollar profit and still closed down a german plant. They did it in an absolutely unacceptable fashion. Jan 24 12:03:06 * Laibsch does not know all the details Jan 24 12:04:00 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r02945aae... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Jan 24 12:04:00 cups.inc : break the cups libraries out of cups package, this will reduce Jan 24 12:04:00 dependencies for some packages down from 2.3M to 100k. No reason why if Jan 24 12:04:00 a app support cups that we should haul in the full cups system. Jan 24 12:04:14 XorA: split HAL... Jan 24 12:04:31 * XorA creates two HAL 4500 machines Jan 24 12:05:01 But I wonder what is so horrible and why this is different than Leipzig getting DHL for 70€ mio. apart that in one case "Germany" was the winner (and bad guy if you ask in Belgium) and in the other it lost Jan 24 12:05:21 XorA: Nice work, thanks! Jan 24 12:06:02 Laibsch: I think its probably the way most recipes should go Jan 24 12:06:32 I'd have to study to patches more closely to understand what that means exactly Jan 24 12:06:44 the problem with nokia is _how_ they closed the plant, _how_ and _when_ they informed their workers, and _how_ the CEO reacted when german politicians wanted to discuss things with him. Jan 24 12:07:00 CoreDump: that finnish company have lot of nasty stuff Jan 24 12:07:20 hmm... Jan 24 12:07:39 I suppose this was a bad time to accidentally remove OE.mtn, regarding the DNS problems.. Jan 24 12:07:43 hrw: right. I will never buy or support a Nokia product again Jan 24 12:08:07 oxo: read /topic Jan 24 12:08:26 tnx for the hint, hrw Jan 24 12:08:27 CoreDump: I probably will buy n810 - my c760 is failing too often Jan 24 12:08:49 that is unfortunate Jan 24 12:09:20 * XorA has a 3200 for sale Jan 24 12:09:36 XorA: 10 quids is all what I can offer Jan 24 12:09:42 for sl-c3200 Jan 24 12:09:53 hrw: :-D Jan 24 12:10:02 hrw: now if it was 10 squids :-D Jan 24 12:10:35 is there a product code for a brick or "papper weight"? Jan 24 12:10:45 gm all Jan 24 12:11:44 hi Crofton Jan 24 12:11:47 keesj: ? Jan 24 12:11:56 run minimo... run.... Jan 24 12:12:20 Who is responsible for http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/nslu2/sources/? Jan 24 12:12:26 rwhitby: you? Jan 24 12:13:27 hrw: so you can say I want to trade my "bicked device" againt a working papper weight/dust catcher/real brick Jan 24 12:34:09 for anybody running OE on ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~r0lf/+archive Jan 24 12:37:30 Laibsch: give me good german e-shop with gadgets/electronics/n810 Jan 24 12:37:45 I hardly shop Jan 24 12:37:58 CoreDump: same question Jan 24 12:38:02 But when I was still in "Laibsch", I always went to zur48.de Jan 24 12:38:34 hrw: don't know one off-hand, sorry Jan 24 12:38:39 ok - they do not have n810 Jan 24 12:38:41 ok Jan 24 12:38:43 They were always among the cheapest in Germany (verified a few times by price comparison) Jan 24 12:38:59 I would start with a price comparison engine in your case Jan 24 12:39:02 Let me check Jan 24 12:39:16 Amazon I did buy a few times from Jan 24 12:39:46 I started with froogle de Jan 24 12:41:38 hrw: we shall help you mug nokia employees at FOSDEM if you want Jan 24 12:42:49 re Jan 24 12:42:59 Other than there is a lot of coming and going in that business Jan 24 12:43:17 XorA: I will not attend fosdem this year Jan 24 12:43:44 hrw: keep with that story then you wont be suspected :-D Jan 24 12:43:50 apparently hrw has something more important than FOSDEM going on :) Jan 24 12:44:05 Crofton: forking take resources Jan 24 12:44:12 but me can mug Nokia employees and take photos for him :) Jan 24 12:44:39 hrw: Amazon would be 429€ Jan 24 12:44:48 that would be about 5$ Jan 24 12:44:54 nokia 810? Jan 24 12:44:59 There is a cheaper alternative for 390€ + 5€ shipping Jan 24 12:45:15 hrw: http://geizhals.at/eu/a305259.html Jan 24 12:45:56 419 usd Jan 24 12:46:02 I am sure if they ship to Poland, but I'd of course be willing to help you out if necessary Jan 24 12:46:17 Crofton: amazon is known to me Jan 24 12:46:29 Crofton: and this is not exactly amazon even so they ship to europe Jan 24 12:46:36 289 euro Jan 24 12:47:01 hrw: Germany has high taxes, so US or elsewhere might be an alternative Jan 24 12:47:43 Laibsch: currently cheapest is US and UK Jan 24 12:47:54 I could good buy, bring it to FOSDEM :) Jan 24 12:47:54 but I can't bring a suitcase load over :) Jan 24 12:48:13 both currencies are cheaper then they were (compared to Polish złoty) Jan 24 12:48:16 hrw: that sounds like a good offer from Crofton Jan 24 12:49:15 * Crofton moans about most of my assets being in usd Jan 24 12:49:16 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r25e81d93... 10/ (9 files in 5 dirs): Jan 24 12:49:16 fakeroot: update to latest version 1.9.1 Jan 24 12:49:16 * 1.8.3 had become unfetchable Jan 24 12:49:16 * use DEBIAN_MIRROR Jan 24 12:49:16 * some clean-up (StyleGuide, move common files to files/ instead of $PN-$PV/ Jan 24 12:49:29 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r63896b37... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): contrib/distro-packages: fix an error in changelog so devscripts do work again Jan 24 12:49:52 expansys UK costs me 263GBP - cheapest in europe Jan 24 12:53:28 good price Jan 24 12:53:56 does OE build java yet? Jan 24 12:56:00 Crofton: yes Jan 24 12:56:26 after the brilliant recent work from rschuster we now have a native java package from scratch Jan 24 12:57:20 do you know if it is in angstrom stable even? Jan 24 12:59:01 I need to reply to an email on the gumstix list, and I'd like to have accurate info since I don't pay attention to java :) Jan 24 13:02:03 I don't think it is Jan 24 13:02:11 there is also still some fine-tuning going on Jan 24 13:02:21 thanks Jan 24 13:14:03 Crofton: the only java a real programmer should use goes in water at 80C Jan 24 13:14:30 agreed, but I am trying to be more polite Jan 24 13:17:07 bah why are all my other measurement units in real units and for somereason temperture in crappy celcius Jan 24 13:25:56 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r5c04010d... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): contrib/distro-packages: provide patch for building ubuntu packages Jan 24 13:32:19 um, does anyone have an idea when openembedded.org will be reachable again? Jan 24 13:34:01 2142 Jan 24 13:34:27 er, could you elaborate on that? Jan 24 13:34:33 th eyear :( Jan 24 13:34:38 the year 2142, thats my best guess Jan 24 13:34:50 * Crofton is really glad mickey|zzZZzz is buying the server .... Jan 24 13:34:58 oh, 42, right. Jan 24 13:35:03 ;-) Jan 24 13:35:07 Crofton: Its not a server issue Jan 24 13:35:10 Crofton: wont fix the DNS though Jan 24 13:35:14 urg Jan 24 13:35:18 what is the problem Jan 24 13:35:19 mmartin: 85.214.40.226 Jan 24 13:35:29 we could move to openembedded.net that seems to be owned by mickeyl Jan 24 13:35:35 yeah, DNS seems to have forgotten about the domain. Jan 24 13:35:36 Crofton: The domain is on hold.. Jan 24 13:35:38 or at least keep both in line Jan 24 13:35:59 XorA: that's a good idea Jan 24 13:36:00 oh crap Jan 24 13:36:07 kergoth, forgot the bill again? Jan 24 13:36:07 mickey|zzZZzz: ping Jan 24 13:36:48 I need to suck up to a large defense contractor in Phoenix so they pay for me to fly out there and work over kergoth :) Jan 24 13:36:57 * florian guessed the same, iirc we had the same situation one and two years ago at the same time of the year Jan 24 13:37:07 yeah Jan 24 13:37:10 florian: yes, it happens every year :-D Jan 24 13:37:50 we need to make a note to talk to kergoth about moving the domain, in December jsut before it expires Jan 24 13:38:00 as I rememeber you can't transfer when it is on hold Jan 24 13:38:20 and if you transfer right after paying, you have to pay again or something like that Jan 24 13:38:24 Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED Jan 24 13:38:25 Status:CLIENT HOLD Jan 24 13:38:25 Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED Jan 24 13:38:25 Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED Jan 24 13:39:21 Crofton: paying twice would just extend it to a 2 year registration, no great hassles Jan 24 13:40:27 * Crofton just wants someone to charge it and set it to auto-renew .... Jan 24 13:43:01 Crofton: well when eV is setup (if) then it can have a bank account :-) Jan 24 13:44:45 I have multiple OE projects now, three of them. Is it ok to re-use the tmp dir contents, or do I need to clean it out when moving between projects? Jan 24 13:45:11 T0mW: tmp/ can share with same distro, but different distro need different tmp/ Jan 24 13:46:17 hi everybody Jan 24 13:46:18 ok, I see in org.openembedded.dev/conf/bitbake that TMPDIR = X, shouldn't that be TMPDIR ?= X, then I can override the tmp value in my local.conf? Jan 24 13:46:33 s/bitbake/bitbake.conf Jan 24 13:47:13 T0mW: local.conf will override it since local.conf is included after bitbake.conf Jan 24 13:47:23 AH! thanks Jan 24 14:04:12 * florian shoots montone Jan 24 14:05:00 How do I update a mtn workspace where a patch is applied that got applied upstream too? Jan 24 14:05:28 revert the file that was patched? Jan 24 14:05:40 did you commit the fix locally? Jan 24 14:06:37 Crofton: no Jan 24 14:07:04 Crofton: that's rather hard after merging upstream - unluckily the update is not an atomic operation. Jan 24 14:07:09 then reverting the local modifcation should work Jan 24 14:07:26 I try to avoid getting into this siituation ..... Jan 24 14:07:35 * florian thinks mtn ist still a major pain for daily work Jan 24 14:07:49 Crofton: That was hard using avr32 Jan 24 14:07:52 every SCM has its warts Jan 24 14:07:58 ah Jan 24 14:08:02 Crofton: That sounds like "human works around tool problems" ;) Jan 24 14:08:11 yeah Jan 24 14:08:40 our tools train us, not the other eay around :( Jan 24 14:09:04 be happy with your tools, I can't even describe the horrors I have witnessed elsewhere Jan 24 14:09:05 =) Jan 24 14:09:40 the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence :) Jan 24 14:09:47 :) Jan 24 14:10:40 Yes, it is. But sometimes one just has to look to see where all the cows graze rather than at the grass. When companies (for whom time is money) buy SCM tools for developers, they seldom select monotone. Jan 24 14:12:08 * mwester wonders why the Linux community hasn't ever come up with an open source version of ClearCase. Jan 24 14:12:31 guys: how much time does English service has for warranty repair? In Poland it is 3 weeks. Jan 24 14:12:32 becasue every I know that used it, tells horror stories :) Jan 24 14:12:43 I like BitKeeper Jan 24 14:13:08 :) Jan 24 14:13:16 you pay the license fee :) Jan 24 14:13:44 * Crofton sends rms to talk to hrw Jan 24 14:13:45 Crofton: I used it when it was free for use Jan 24 14:13:49 Crofton: yes, everyone likes to tell horror stories about SCM tools. The proof is not in how well developers like it, but if it actually enables a company to successfully deliver and manage products. Jan 24 14:14:19 Monotone fails to scale, as do all (thus far, anyway) change-set-based SCM solutions. Jan 24 14:14:31 normal experience of SCM tools is the ones the suits get bribed to buy normally cause massice slowdowns Jan 24 14:14:56 Who got bribed to select monotone for OE, then ;) Jan 24 14:15:08 no-one, git didnt exist Jan 24 14:15:14 (it certainly has managed to cause massive slowdowns!!) Jan 24 14:15:39 XorA: why not svn? Jan 24 14:15:54 Jin^eLD: we wanted to keep our bitkeeper evolved workflow Jan 24 14:16:13 urg, gumstix has a copy of OE in svn and updates take forever :) Jan 24 14:16:17 * mwester wouldn't put svn in the same league as git, mtn (or ClearCase for that matter). Jan 24 14:16:25 plus we broke svn Jan 24 14:16:36 what is the status of the oe.org DNS? Jan 24 14:16:45 broken Jan 24 14:18:31 on hold ,,, Jan 24 14:31:01 is there a static IP address to access OE since it seems the main link is down? Jan 24 14:31:08 OE being the OE website. Jan 24 14:31:23 svolpe: linuxtogo.org Jan 24 14:31:36 take the IP from that and put it into /etc/hosts Jan 24 14:32:30 Laibsch, thanks. Jan 24 14:34:25 03florian 07org.oe.dev * rb530b781... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libvoc, libtapi: Add SVN recipe Jan 24 14:58:33 morning Jan 24 15:14:50 bugzilla seems down too Jan 24 15:15:05 XorA: BTW: do you know kldraw? Jan 24 15:18:51 zecke: no Jan 24 15:19:03 zecke: ldraw for KDE I assume Jan 24 15:19:57 XorA: yeah, do you know/use it? Jan 24 15:20:34 zecke: no, never really got into ldraw stuff Jan 24 15:20:54 http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KLDraw?content=47371&PHPSESSID=7c7edd777ab5bb5f620619b48ca5c3f9 for kldraw screenshots Jan 24 15:20:58 seems pretty cool Jan 24 15:23:00 and old Jan 24 15:23:47 hrw: the screenshot is Jan 24 15:27:41 author uploaded application in Nov 2006 (over year ago) and did not updated it Jan 24 15:28:13 hrw: sure, it is developed in the kdesvn Jan 24 15:28:19 hrw: and updated Jan 24 15:28:35 hrw: you would imply OE is dead because we don't have a homepage at all Jan 24 15:29:08 zecke: it is dead, we are now ClosedEmbedded Jan 24 15:29:33 Replacing Linux with WinCE Jan 24 15:29:48 yay, WinCE is so much easier Jan 24 15:30:07 ah Jan 24 15:30:10 ~lart cmake Jan 24 15:30:10 * ibot strangles cmake with a 9-pole serial cable Jan 24 15:30:40 florian: why do you use cmake? Jan 24 15:31:20 broonie: not Vista Embedded Business Ultra Edition? Jan 24 15:31:41 zecke: I am forced to do :-( Just tried to compile libsyncml Jan 24 15:33:29 hrw: hehe, they even put XP on the OLPC XO and not Vista... Jan 24 15:34:58 scratchbox fun, need to reboot... Jan 24 15:35:04 heh - they do havea vista embedded version. Jan 24 15:38:52 re Jan 24 15:39:05 hey zecke Jan 24 15:39:13 florian: libsynml sucks ass, I gave up Jan 24 15:39:18 anyway time for bus Jan 24 15:58:57 Crofton: both my car and house were just in danger of being taken from me, the bank account is negative, i can't pay for the domain right now. Jan 24 15:59:15 urg Jan 24 15:59:21 urg indeed Jan 24 15:59:30 can I pay somehow? Jan 24 15:59:47 pretty sad when my 48 year old dad can't manage to pay his rent on time, it's him i'm having to bail out on my house, he's living there Jan 24 15:59:49 kergoth: can you remind us before domain expires? we will pay for domain Jan 24 16:00:20 normally that is the other way around ... Jan 24 16:00:30 yeah, sad Jan 24 16:00:41 if godaddy can be paid with paypal we could do it that way, i dunno how else we'd be able to handle it Jan 24 16:00:45 i don't get paid till the 1st Jan 24 16:01:39 hi kergoth Jan 24 16:11:48 hi kergoth. did you get my mail? Jan 24 16:32:56 * zecke dances Jan 24 16:41:22 bye Jan 24 16:52:57 zecke: sounds promising :) Jan 24 17:15:34 RP: Do you think that http://rafb.net/p/Y1tnRO84.html could be applied as is? I have tested it out and it works as expected. I needed to add a new function to base.bbclass (thanks, zecke and mickey for the help) which is why I wonder if there should be an RFC Jan 24 17:15:58 I don't really think so. The function does not change any existing code. Jan 24 17:18:10 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rbc23cf53... 10/ (1 packages/python/python-edbus_cvs.bb): python-edbus: fix dbus dependency Jan 24 17:33:20 Laibsch: I'd just go for it ;-) Jan 24 17:33:45 Laibsch: It doesn't change behaviour or break existing functionality Jan 24 17:33:48 Great Jan 24 17:33:50 yes Jan 24 17:47:08 is someone in here listening who is in touch with gtk+-directfb? Jan 24 18:07:09 Haha, I need to backport a driver and feel reminded of thomas gleixner's statements at ELC Europe Jan 24 18:07:50 zecke: How far is the backport? :) Jan 24 18:09:04 RP: not far at all, 2.6.22 to nokia's 2.6.21 Jan 24 18:09:19 RP: and the driver is pretty self contained, I just feel reminded :) Jan 24 18:10:33 zecke: Thats not so bad. It becomes interesting when you have a 2.6.8 to deal with ;-) Jan 24 18:11:29 ouch Jan 24 18:12:55 zecke: Thankfully I got out of that though ;-) Jan 24 18:14:47 hehe Jan 24 18:15:34 RP: hehe, I still don't know if I should try to cherry pick the ~30 revs or remove the new frontend's from the driver :} Jan 24 18:23:11 it is getting dirty now Jan 24 18:25:30 03Laibsch 07org.oe.dev * r43753505... 10/ (1 classes/base.bbclass classes/kernel.bbclass): Jan 24 18:25:30 kernel: add wifi suspend fix to kernel-module-(hostap|orinoco)-cs. Closes 3664. Jan 24 18:25:30 * applies only to kernel later than 2.6.17 Jan 24 18:25:30 * added base_version_less_or_equal function to base.bbclass (thanks, zecke and mickey!) Jan 24 18:25:30 to do the comparison. This does not change existing functionality. Skipped RFC. Jan 24 18:26:26 Laibsch: Don't put the skipped RFC but in commit messages ;-) Jan 24 18:26:50 s/but/bit/ Jan 24 18:27:12 Laibsch: Its not like every commit is supposed to have an RFC and enough people saw that commit to make it a dicussed change... Jan 24 18:29:55 RP: is there a way in OE to handle update-modules on read only images? Jan 24 18:30:51 thesing: Doesn't that run at image generation time? Jan 24 18:32:20 RP: I don't know. But some days ago somebody here had problems with it. Jan 24 18:37:09 RP: I checked an image there is no /etc/modules but some files in /etc/modutils. So I think it update-modules runs on first boot. Jan 24 18:37:28 thesing: ok, the question is whether we can run that image generation time then Jan 24 18:37:35 good evening ! Jan 24 18:44:12 damn, dma issues :( Jan 24 19:13:33 RP: we could change the script a bit and run it at image generation time. But there would be other issues like no /etc/module.dep and probably more. Jan 24 19:39:18 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * ra7b2cade... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc): sane-srcrevs: Increment linux-ixp4xx kernel version to include latest patches Jan 24 19:40:38 RP, I was actually glad to see the no RFC comment in Laibsch's commit, as it touched kernel.bbclass would could be pretty invasive and he isn't someone I would expect to touch that file :) Jan 24 19:49:46 Crofton: fair enough I guess :) Jan 24 19:50:12 Like, if I commited something to kernel.bbclass, I would expect people to come after me :) Jan 24 19:51:45 dns should start coming back also Jan 24 19:51:51 kernel.bbclass policy is watching Jan 24 19:51:56 s/policy/police/ Jan 24 19:52:01 :) Jan 24 20:20:30 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r137c597e... 10/ (1 packages/libmimedir/libmimedir_0.3.1.bb): libmimedir 0.3.1: Remove DEFAULT_PREFERENCE=1, set -1 due to known bugs. Jan 24 20:20:30 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r137c597e... 10/ (1 packages/libmimedir/libmimedir_0.3.1.bb): libmimedir 0.3.1: Remove DEFAULT_PREFERENCE=1, set -1 due to known bugs. Jan 24 20:22:19 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r137c597e... 10/ (1 packages/libmimedir/libmimedir_0.3.1.bb): libmimedir 0.3.1: Remove DEFAULT_PREFERENCE=1, set -1 due to known bugs. Jan 24 20:28:51 RP, i saw you were working on prelink. are you using prelinking in the poky images? Jan 24 20:48:24 Shoragan: I have worked on it and it does work in poky Jan 24 20:48:50 are you prelinking on the target or while building the rootfs? Jan 24 20:48:57 Shoragan: Its not used by default since the images would have to be run under system emulation to prelink them. Jan 24 20:49:08 Running them under qemu to prelink would be possible though Jan 24 20:49:32 Its an extra you can install and run atm Jan 24 20:49:35 ah Jan 24 20:49:54 or it would run at first boot if you installed it into an image Jan 24 20:49:58 how large are the performance gains? Jan 24 20:50:08 25%? Jan 24 20:50:24 I don't remember but they are significant Jan 24 20:50:24 nice Jan 24 20:51:20 so there is no cross-prelinker? Jan 24 20:51:36 The problem is it needs to run ld.so Jan 24 20:51:41 it doesn't need to run any code? Jan 24 20:51:45 ah, ok Jan 24 21:10:47 how i can increase verbosity of a kernel boot ? ... i'm having trouble when mounting rootfs via nfs ... Jan 24 21:15:16 gremlin[it]: add debug to the commandline? Jan 24 21:23:00 hahah so easy :) thanks RP ! Jan 24 21:23:16 do you have experience with rootfs via nfs ??? Jan 24 21:37:05 gremlin[it]: a small amount Jan 24 21:38:56 seem something goes wrong after a few ... i trace the ethernet with tcpdump like took and i saw NFS packets ... but seem nothing is being executed Jan 24 21:39:34 i try also with a stupid "hello world" static binary as init ... but nothing happen :( Jan 24 21:44:20 gremlin[it]: :/ Jan 24 21:44:31 gremlin[it]: Look for errors in the nfs host's logfiles Jan 24 21:45:06 RP: should machine specific kernel-modules like touchscreen be added to MACHINE_EXTRA_DEPENDS? Jan 24 21:46:13 RP: or is MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS better? Jan 24 21:46:43 hi pb_ Jan 24 21:49:07 RP: no error on nfs server :( Jan 24 21:49:27 Is anybody compiling against angstrom-stable? Jan 24 21:49:29 hi flo_lap Jan 24 21:50:00 It comiles glibc-intermediate_2.6.1 here and thus fails Jan 24 21:50:49 thesing: RDEPENDS cannot be uninstalled Jan 24 21:51:06 RRECOMMENDS is installed by default but can be uninstalled Jan 24 21:51:19 Maybe that answers your question, but maybe it does not Jan 24 21:51:33 here it is binutils/cross that fails Jan 24 21:51:43 for stable? Jan 24 21:51:59 no, .dev and avr32 Jan 24 21:53:03 for me, stable fails Jan 24 21:53:14 and it fails packages that I would not expect from stable Jan 24 21:54:20 Laibsch: that's really strange indeed... that worked for me today (for two arm targets) Jan 24 21:55:34 Laibsch: this helps. Thanks. Jan 24 21:57:35 thesing: kernel modules should be RRECOMMENDS Jan 24 21:57:38 Laibsch: what in the world is anki? Jan 24 21:58:09 Flash cards with Leitner system written in python Jan 24 21:58:15 Very nice for learning Japanese Jan 24 21:58:20 :) Jan 24 21:58:24 http://ichi2.net/anki Jan 24 21:58:43 * Laibsch is working to get it into OE Jan 24 22:09:19 morning all Jan 24 22:09:56 hi Fique Jan 24 22:18:25 Laibsch: how well are your Japanese skills? Jan 24 22:19:00 OK Jan 24 22:21:07 Laibsch: But there is still room for improvement, isn't it? Or are you just making favors to other Japanese learning people? Jan 24 22:22:04 Japanese is a language you never stop to learn Jan 24 22:22:12 And of course, it is also a favor Jan 24 22:22:31 Publishing binaries, I have no immediate personal benefit Jan 24 22:23:58 How hard is getting started with Japanese? My girlfriend always wants to learn it, mainly to read mangas ;) Jan 24 22:24:10 oh no Jan 24 22:24:15 another manga-zoku Jan 24 22:24:39 I think that is one of the lesser motives to start to learn the language Jan 24 22:25:03 although I believe a significan portion of those starting to learn come from that pool Jan 24 22:25:30 But I believe the rate of those who give up half-way among the manga-zoku is also exceptionally high Jan 24 22:25:45 I never cared for Manga and thus cannot say Jan 24 22:25:59 Speaking is much easier than reading, though. I can say that much. Jan 24 22:27:04 I can't imagine to be able do memorize all these different figures. Jan 24 22:27:19 anki to the resue ;-) Jan 25 01:36:07 we so need to get OE working with ohloh ..... Jan 25 01:46:30 Crofton: ohloh? Jan 25 01:46:47 www.ohloh.org Jan 25 01:47:20 * hvontres|work just remembered google.. Jan 25 01:47:36 :) Jan 25 01:51:12 time to go home Jan 25 01:51:50 gn Jan 25 02:27:04 * * OE Bug 3664 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Jan 25 02:27:06 * * WLAN cards and suspend sometimes don't mix Jan 25 02:27:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3664 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 25 02:59:57 2008