**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 26 02:59:57 2008 Jan 26 07:03:56 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r0b435292... 10/ (16 files in 3 dirs): linux-rp: update 2.6.24-rc8 to final release Jan 26 07:25:47 hrw|gone: thanks for pushing, building poodle now Jan 26 07:32:04 * * OE Bug 3715 has been created by  Jan 26 07:32:06 * * Misc Fixes to make 2.6.24 compile for poodle Jan 26 07:32:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3715 Jan 26 07:54:58 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r777f9fe3... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): pulseaudio 0.9.8 update to 0.9.9 Jan 26 08:53:31 mogge Jan 26 08:54:54 night all Jan 26 09:09:01 03koen 07org.oe.angstrom-2007.12-stable * r64df931c... 10/ (60 files in 14 dirs): java: add backports from .dev Jan 26 09:10:09 I am compiling some packages and apparently to get them compiled I have to add a CFLAG -fPIC. this is when I target amd64. Jan 26 09:10:35 I am currently adding that as export .. in the bb file but I wonder if that is the right way Jan 26 09:11:22 it is the same error mesages as here http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-issues/2006-November/000434.html Jan 26 09:11:37 relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when Jan 26 09:11:38 making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC Jan 26 10:06:41 glibc refuses to package, does anyone else have this problem? Jan 26 10:06:42 http://pastebin.ca/873207 Jan 26 10:09:06 wvdschel: I think this is the part where oe uses qemu to create locales (pretty tricky) Jan 26 10:09:25 any way around it? Jan 26 10:10:15 is this a problem that is happening to me alone? Jan 26 10:11:27 search the web for it "locales generation" http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-users/2007-March/000084.html Jan 26 10:11:50 I also think there is some documentation in the local.conf on how to not generate locales Jan 26 10:14:12 hm im on fedora so its probably fedora's fault? Jan 26 10:14:49 how do I tell oe to use another qemu? Jan 26 10:15:35 that you can configure in the local.conf Jan 26 10:16:04 alright, thnks Jan 26 10:48:12 yo zecke Jan 26 10:48:48 I made contact with a local linux group in hong kong Jan 26 10:49:03 Some the guys are pretty into openembedded Jan 26 10:49:50 If we want we can sent speakers to their event Jan 26 11:32:09 lots of telenet people in here :o Jan 26 12:03:35 morning all Jan 26 12:13:13 yo RP Jan 26 12:27:15 bah it still fails, even after telling to to use the native qemu Jan 26 12:54:36 hi Jan 26 12:54:52 there is a error while building glibc-intermediate_2.6.1 for arm-oabi Jan 26 12:54:52 with angstrom-2008.1 as distro Jan 26 12:55:07 ERROR: Build of /.../org.openembedded.dev/packages/glibc/glibc-intermediate_2.6.1.bb do_compile failed Jan 26 12:55:10 mrdata: I think Laibsch filed a but for that Jan 26 12:55:25 no, not yet Jan 26 12:55:28 possible solution: http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/clfs/clfs-packages/sysroot-0.0.1/glibc-2.6.1-RTLD_SINGLE_THREAD_P-1.patch Jan 26 12:55:34 mrdata: Go ahead Jan 26 12:55:49 Can you file that bug? Jan 26 12:56:07 bugtracker does not respond for me Jan 26 12:56:16 sorry Jan 26 12:56:24 mrdata: Use .net instead of .org Jan 26 12:56:43 Laibsch: okay, i will try this Jan 26 13:01:06 on bugtracker was a bugreport for that and also the same solution, look show_bug.cgi?id=3618 Jan 26 13:01:30 so, sorry for my "spam" ;-) Jan 26 13:04:59 but the the next error comes while building gcc-cross-4.2.2 Jan 26 13:06:49 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r48a5a244... 10/ (1 packages/fastjar/fastjar-native_0.95.bb): fastjar: install binaries instead of libtool wrappers to make it rm_work safe Jan 26 13:07:30 * keesj just found a nice oe howto. I wish I had found that one before Jan 26 13:07:35 http://www.uv-ac.de/openembedded/ Jan 26 13:09:44 Could someone please commit http://people.debian.org/~otavio/OE/patches/0007-cmake-update-to-2.4.8.patch 0002-libvncserver-0.9.1-added.patch ? Jan 26 13:51:44 hmmm it OE keeps erroring out when building the locales Jan 26 13:55:47 does anyone know how to fix this qemu issue on fedora? Jan 26 13:58:19 wvdschel: Lots of people have reported it but nobody's debugged it Jan 26 13:58:33 meh I'll just virtualize debian :P Jan 26 13:58:51 the suggested fix of using a native qemu doesn't work Jan 26 13:59:20 erm Jan 26 13:59:24 another qemu Jan 26 13:59:28 all qemus are native :P Jan 26 13:59:29 wvdschel: No, there is some weird issue with qemu on redhat :/ Jan 26 13:59:41 does qemu support multiple processors? Jan 26 13:59:53 I mean, if I run debian in qemu Jan 26 14:00:24 can i make debian use 2 cpu's if I have 2? Jan 26 14:00:24 because virtualbox cant Jan 26 14:00:24 argh wifi dropped Jan 26 14:00:45 did you say anything while i was gone? Jan 26 14:01:32 no, but I don't think qemu can use the two cpus either Jan 26 14:02:04 hmmm this says it does: http://blog.janik.cz/archives/2005/11/22/T12_37_20/ Jan 26 14:02:18 I'll just give it a try Jan 26 14:22:48 wvdschel: you need to disable one of the Fedora security patches to the kernel to get qemu to run Jan 26 14:27:15 XorA|gone, erm, so I need to compile my kernel Jan 26 14:27:30 wvdschel: yes Jan 26 14:27:41 wvdschel: I cant remember the exact patch off hand Jan 26 14:27:45 bah Jan 26 14:27:47 I think Crofton maybe knows Jan 26 14:27:57 using a virtualized debian sounds better at this point Jan 26 14:28:05 because I really dont want to mess up my kernel Jan 26 14:28:57 * Crofton disables qemu ..... Jan 26 14:29:15 but how do you generate locales then? Jan 26 14:29:19 I don't Jan 26 14:29:28 how do you build images then? Jan 26 14:29:35 just with the one built in locale? Jan 26 14:29:37 99% of the stuff I am interested in does not have user interface :) Jan 26 14:29:50 aha Jan 26 14:29:50 Crofton: english speakers dont need locales anyway :-) Jan 26 14:29:54 :) Jan 26 14:30:05 well I'm going to use it in english anyway Jan 26 14:30:12 how do I disable this stuff? Jan 26 14:30:18 is there a metapackage what bilds a development environment for the target? Jan 26 14:30:23 ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = 0 in local.conf ... Jan 26 14:30:32 so that i have gcc and common libs/headers as ipkg to install on the target? Jan 26 14:30:36 great Jan 26 14:30:43 it may try and generate some when you boot and crash, but I think it only does that once .... Jan 26 14:30:58 also, check spelling on var Jan 26 14:56:06 I see about 3 different desktop systems in OE: gpe, opie and matchbox. Are there any others? Jan 26 14:57:54 openmoko? Is that a desktop? Jan 26 14:58:09 anyone use crosstool generated toolchains with OE Jan 26 14:59:17 I dunno, I've got opie up to the calibrations screen on the Z2, but wonder if opie is something I should stay with or move to something that is more current? Jan 26 15:00:20 T0mW, there are some guys actively working on opie issues I believe Jan 26 15:00:30 which is an improvement over the past Jan 26 15:00:50 I am not familiar with the desktop systems from OE though Jan 26 15:01:45 ok Jan 26 16:04:42 T0mW, it depends on what you want from your handheld Jan 26 16:05:03 most people are happy with opie, as its a nice, light, well integrated solution Jan 26 16:05:04 kind of is limited by what the hardware is. Jan 26 16:05:28 but its mainly targetted at PIM and normal PDA stuff Jan 26 16:05:53 if you want to do linux-like things, its probably not the best choice Jan 26 16:06:09 I have 320x240 color, 300MHz, 32MB RAM, 802.11b/g and no touchscreen. Just a keypad with a some optional keys (other than QWERTY) Jan 26 16:06:22 what device is that? Jan 26 16:06:27 Zipit Z2 Jan 26 16:06:39 let me look that up Jan 26 16:07:32 wvdschel: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/zipit-z2-wireless-messenger-lets-teens-im-for-free-gallery-319767.php Jan 26 16:07:39 never heard of that, now I want one Jan 26 16:07:45 is linux support ok on it? Jan 26 16:07:58 well, I'd not run opie on something like that Jan 26 16:08:08 opie is very touchscreen driven Jan 26 16:08:09 wvdschel: I've got OE + opie on it now, I am up to the ts calib screen Jan 26 16:08:46 i'd run ion on such a thing after fiddling with the keymap a bit Jan 26 16:08:56 wvdschel: I was afraid of that, but was thinking that since the Z2 has something of a joystick cursor pad that I could move the pointer with that Jan 26 16:09:11 * T0mW looks for ion Jan 26 16:09:41 ion is not something made for handhelds, but its a tiled, keyboard driven window manager for X Jan 26 16:10:07 wvdschel: kdrive be a better choice? Jan 26 16:10:39 kdrive is just the X server, you'd still need a window manager Jan 26 16:10:47 yes Jan 26 16:10:51 what do you plan on doing with it? Jan 26 16:10:55 Oh Jan 26 16:11:09 if you want X on it, you'll need kdrive, normal X is to bulky to run on such devices Jan 26 16:11:09 I was hoping to do some imap and ssh Jan 26 16:11:25 in a graphical user interface? Jan 26 16:11:34 wvdschel: yes, I did some tinkering with tinyx before Jan 26 16:11:43 SA1100-99mHz Jan 26 16:11:58 Well, if you get that joystick set up as a mouse X wont have any trouble using it Jan 26 16:12:04 I think Jan 26 16:12:11 where do you buy these things? Jan 26 16:12:14 ebay knows none Jan 26 16:12:15 USA Jan 26 16:12:46 http://www.zipitwireless.com/store/product/zipit-wireless-messenger-2-z2-1000.cfm Jan 26 16:13:02 wvdschel: they target the pre-teen and teenagers Jan 26 16:13:38 pffff, noone targets linux junkies anymore these days Jan 26 16:14:12 there were some on ebay about a month ago that appeared to be the company seeding devices into the marketplace. I picked up two more for around USD$120 Jan 26 16:14:15 more pre-teens than linux junkies Jan 26 16:14:17 with 1G SD card Jan 26 16:14:28 Crofton: yeah Jan 26 16:15:02 Crofton, yes, but we have more money :P Jan 26 16:15:16 T0mW, 120 a piece? Jan 26 16:16:23 yes Jan 26 16:16:44 it is a PXA270 @ 300MHz Jan 26 16:17:36 sweet Jan 26 16:18:32 oh, miniSD cardslot, I like it. Jan 26 16:18:47 something to play with Jan 26 16:20:07 :) Jan 26 16:21:29 I mainly use mine to listen to internet radio while reading in bed at night. the audio is pretty good from the speaker Jan 26 16:21:44 cool Jan 26 16:22:02 it will run about 3.5 hours on a charge Jan 26 16:22:20 seriously, if you want to use it to read mail comfortably, it'll need a specialized app to work with those UI constraints Jan 26 16:22:29 unless you get that joystick to work Jan 26 16:23:24 yeah, I was thinking of using lazarus to build some apps for it, but that would prolly mean that I would have to use a "real" X-server and maybe QT Jan 26 16:23:48 * T0mW hates C++ Jan 26 16:23:54 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r54d430ea... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): package/cmake: Update cmake from 2.4.7 to 2.4.8 and add the new checksums Jan 26 16:24:43 T0mW, nah, kdrive is good enough for running most things Jan 26 16:25:05 I've run lots of GTK apps on my jornada and mobilepro Jan 26 16:25:09 on kdrive Jan 26 16:25:20 but i mean real apps, not special stuff Jan 26 16:25:27 like firefox and xchat Jan 26 16:25:30 ok, just that I've done a lot of embedded linux work but it has mostly been (99%) using command line Jan 26 16:25:48 this is my first serious foray into the embedded gui world. Jan 26 16:26:05 I don't like X much on handhelds, but sometimes you got no choice if you want to use desktop software Jan 26 16:27:13 yeah, well one project fast approaching me is going to be having linux running a TFT LCD + touchscreen. the plan there is to do dev on a linux box, then recompile apps over to the target system. Jan 26 16:27:26 In that case, X would be a necessity Jan 26 16:28:10 But, since JTAG is available on the target, maybe just do it via remote gdb Jan 26 16:28:46 i've never used remote gdb Jan 26 16:28:47 forget I said that. JTAG won't help in the dev, my mind is on another project Jan 26 16:30:42 I was kind of confused :P Jan 26 16:31:00 hmmm anyone here that knows how to build SDL with all its goodies without X11? Jan 26 16:34:55 nm, think i found it Jan 26 17:11:22 could someone give a hint to solve show_bug.cgi?id=3607 (build gcc-cross-4.2.2 fails for arm-oabi with multiple definition of __floatundisf and __floatundidf) Jan 26 17:53:15 hi all! I bitbaked my first image today: all works fine Jan 26 17:53:55 i'd like to know the best way to modify the configuration files in etc Jan 26 17:54:24 can I include those configuration inside the image .bb file? Jan 26 17:55:14 I went into the manual, but I found nothing on this... Jan 26 17:57:28 re Jan 26 17:57:49 xlele: what exactly do you want to do? Jan 26 17:58:31 I'd like to change the file inside /etc before making the image Jan 26 17:59:41 for example openvpn.conf... I'd like to use my openvpn.conf file when I bitbake the image... Jan 26 18:00:15 and I would like to automate this kind of configurations inside the .bb file... Jan 26 18:00:31 you could use a trick to postprocess the rootfs before it is being packaged Jan 26 18:00:55 I did this for my nfs image, because I wanted that dhcpclient fills out resolv.conf but I did not want it to change the ip Jan 26 18:00:57 so I sedded the script Jan 26 18:01:05 I guess you want something similar, just for a different conf file Jan 26 18:01:11 ok, so I have to add a new task inside my bb file? Jan 26 18:01:17 wait a sec Jan 26 18:01:23 ok! Jan 26 18:02:13 I have my own image.bb file which adds the stuff to the image that I need, and in this bb file I have a ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND += "whatever" Jan 26 18:02:29 instead of whatever you can use sed or cat or well, shell stuff to do what you want Jan 26 18:02:48 ok, and this command is run before creating the image? Jan 26 18:03:04 it is run before packaging the image Jan 26 18:03:21 perfect! that's what i was looking for Jan 26 18:03:47 i don't need to add the the task with addtask, right? Jan 26 18:04:58 huh? Jan 26 18:05:26 no, just ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND in the image .bb file Jan 26 18:05:59 sorry... it's not a new task, is a variable defined in an existing task Jan 26 18:06:01 maybe it can also reside in your local.conf Jan 26 18:06:11 got it! Jan 26 18:06:58 thank you so much... I'm going to try it Jan 26 18:07:06 np Jan 26 18:07:32 bye bye! Jan 26 18:07:41 bye Jan 26 18:18:44 sorry, Jan 26 18:19:24 inside the script I call with ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND, can I use oe variables? Jan 26 18:20:00 no idea, I did not call any script, I coded the commands directly into the .bb file Jan 26 18:20:21 you could simply try :) Jan 26 18:20:31 indeed :D Jan 26 18:22:02 how do you make ipkg install from a local file? I tried to make it install nano by supplying the path to the ipk file, but it says it cannot find package 'nano' Jan 26 18:22:39 wvdschel: doesn't ipkg install blablafullname.ipk work? Jan 26 18:22:58 nope Jan 26 18:23:19 it complains about not finding it :( Jan 26 18:23:34 ipkg install *.ipk (assuming that its the only one in current directory) Jan 26 18:23:40 or maybe try with ./bla.ipk Jan 26 18:23:44 I never had that problem though Jan 26 18:25:59 i tried full path, still didnt work :( Jan 26 18:26:54 sorry, no idea.. Jan 26 18:27:00 thanks anyway Jan 26 18:27:59 could it be that its compiled for the wrong arch? or would that give me a more explicit error message? Jan 26 18:28:16 I did not try installing packages for the wrong arch, so no idea Jan 26 18:28:26 but the arch is usually encoded in the package name Jan 26 18:28:37 so you could see if it matches Jan 26 18:30:27 ah, good point Jan 26 18:30:55 hm, arm-oabi Jan 26 18:31:11 my ipkg.conf lists arm, but not arm-oabi Jan 26 18:31:15 whats the difference? Jan 26 18:31:42 well, new stuff is EABI, but if you have old abi support in kernel that should work too Jan 26 18:32:30 why is my OE setup compiling oabi stuff? does Angstrom stick to oabi for some reason? Jan 26 18:32:43 not that i would know Jan 26 18:33:59 hmm anyway, adding arm-oabi to ikp/arch.conf fixes it Jan 26 18:34:09 the question is if you have OABI support in kernel Jan 26 18:34:20 else the app will not run Jan 26 18:36:50 yeah, I know Jan 26 18:36:59 but i cant try without installing it Jan 26 18:37:03 ill know soon enough Jan 26 18:38:56 seems to work Jan 26 18:47:10 hi all Jan 26 18:47:39 hi Jan 26 18:49:40 how can I get linux-bd-neon-2.6_2.6.22 from thinking it provides virtual/kernel="linux" Jan 26 18:50:32 oops thinking it does not provide it ERROR: Multiple files due to be built which all provide virtual/kernel ... Jan 26 18:52:00 * flo_lap starts to feel guilty... Jan 26 18:52:14 keesj: i'll take a look Jan 26 18:55:48 keesj: yes that's right, every kernel bb inherits kernel.bbclass and therefore provides virtual/kernel Jan 26 18:56:28 but this one matches "linux" for some "strange" reason if you ask me Jan 26 18:56:42 http://paste-it.net/5945/raw/ this is the full output Jan 26 18:58:04 /ignore last url .. Jan 26 18:59:48 keesj: that one is a little bit scary as well since it shows the same error situation for other packages that have multiple providers. Jan 26 19:00:15 hi flo_lap Jan 26 19:00:38 pb_: hi Jan 26 19:01:27 http://paste-it.net/6024/raw/ this one is better. Jan 26 19:02:16 this compiled a linux kernel 2.6.21 and after that is starts with the second one Jan 26 19:04:12 keesj: yeah that's really scary... and I guess the second is the bd-neon one because its the next one alphabetically. Jan 26 19:05:01 that reminds me to clean up that bb :) Jan 26 19:05:28 the Neon is a nice device btw :) Jan 26 19:05:45 latest angstrom commits borked my build of base-image (distro is NOT angstrom) Jan 26 19:05:56 so I need to add more version information i guess , I guess that my problem is that I am trying to build the "linux" and not linux-xxx package Jan 26 19:07:25 and bugger the only google link on linux-bd-neon is my own paste (: Jan 26 19:11:40 keesj: try this: rename the bd-neon bb or move it away and check what happens Jan 26 19:11:56 flo_lap: I am spending the most time on the nokias atm (mamona) Jan 26 19:13:10 I will first try to add a PREFERRED_VERSION . I was just wondering how that would match but you are probably right that it will match anything Jan 26 19:15:02 hmmmm, I want to get the patched source for the old Zaurus kernel (2.4), but it complains about this: Jan 26 19:15:16 Missing or unbuildable dependency chain was: ['openzaurus-sa', 'virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gcc-2.95'] Jan 26 19:15:41 is there a way to get the source anyway? its not like im going to build it Jan 26 19:16:54 weird, removing it helped Jan 26 19:23:51 wvdschel: oh... there is no gcc 2.95 in oe. Jan 26 19:24:11 yeah I know Jan 26 19:24:29 but i still want that source tree patched so I can look at how it does sound Jan 26 19:24:37 keesj: ok strange, i'll take another look and try to fix this. Jan 26 19:24:50 because I can't find any info on what sound chip in the collie Jan 26 19:25:08 03pfalcon 07org.oe.angstrom-2007.12-stable * r91958137... 10/ (1 packages/libmimedir/libmimedir_0.3.1.bb): Jan 26 19:25:08 applied changes from e749a193932ada4300248e37feededf78f67833d Jan 26 19:25:08 through 137c597e5635e94070a8b4e425094f828c7ad56a Jan 26 19:25:08 libmimedir 0.3.1: Remove DEFAULT_PREFERENCE=1, set -1 due to known bugs. Jan 26 19:25:14 03pfalcon 07org.oe.angstrom-2007.12-stable * r6eea50b9... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): angstrom-2007-preferred-versions.inc: Remove libmimedir, use latest. Jan 26 19:25:36 wvdschel: ah ok, add this gcc package to ASSUME_PROVIDED in local.conf Jan 26 19:26:16 flo_lap, thanks! Jan 26 19:29:10 flo_lap: thanks for the help. I really don't know yet if I am doing things they way they are supposed to. but I a really bussy learning it . Jan 26 19:46:11 hi Jan 26 19:47:32 wvdschel: You have run into the same problem that I did with my latest collie builds Jan 26 19:47:39 See the ml and please respond there. Jan 26 19:48:03 do_rootfs is missing that arm-oabi entry, it seems Jan 26 19:48:11 I am not yet sure why Jan 26 19:49:32 the oabi thing you mean? Jan 26 19:50:17 yeah well this trick gets round it, so I'm satisfied for now. Its just a stopgap solution atm, but I hope to start working on the 2.6 kernel next week anyway, so no point in trying to fix the old stuff Jan 26 19:50:22 wait Jan 26 19:50:29 hehe using a ps3 to access his emails in the living room is cool :) Jan 26 19:50:57 this problem will also occur when doing a shiny new angstrom build for a 2.6 Jan 26 19:51:01 *doh* Jan 26 19:51:25 chouimat, ah yes, a supercomputer used for entertainment and light web browsing, the world has truly gone mad Jan 26 19:51:39 gtg, see you all when my exams are over! Jan 26 20:14:05 * * OE Bug 3715 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Jan 26 20:14:07 * * Misc Fixes to make 2.6.24 compile for poodle Jan 26 20:14:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3715 Jan 26 20:14:16 * * OE Bug 3620 has been RESOLVED (WONTFIX) by Jan 26 20:14:18 * * linux-rp-2.6.20-r20-do_compile Jan 26 20:14:20 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3620 Jan 26 20:16:01 hi all..i have question..is there safe way how to make OE dir smaller? like delete parts of tmp/work dir Jan 26 20:17:41 Magon: you are free to remove tmp/work after build Jan 26 20:18:03 Magon: you can add this into local.conf: INHERIT += "rm_work Jan 26 20:18:14 Magon: this will autoremove tmp/work/ subdirs after build Jan 26 20:18:16 bye Jan 26 20:18:54 problem is i will be building some packages later....so having packages staged i can remove the package from work dir...seem nice Jan 26 21:56:46 good evening Jan 26 21:58:27 thesing: hi Jan 26 22:00:18 mrdata: I ebayed a simpad today. Jan 26 22:00:51 thesing: great idea ;-) and happy welcome Jan 26 22:01:09 how mutch does it cost for you Jan 26 22:02:10 well its for my dad for boat navigation under win ce. But I think I will be able to borrow it. Jan 26 22:03:07 to find the right software for navigation is not so easy Jan 26 22:03:28 mrdata 133 € including pcmcia bluetooth and wlan and 1G data (CF + Adapter I think) but with nonworking akku. Jan 26 22:04:07 mrdata: There is a company which explicitly list simpad as supported ;) Jan 26 22:04:48 akku-repair -> http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24370 Jan 26 22:05:35 thesing: witch company ? Jan 26 22:10:33 mrdata: http://tinyurl.com/2gobyt Jan 26 22:15:26 thesing: sound okay Jan 26 22:17:21 I mainly chose a simpad because of big screen and I know it. I don't know anything about wince pdas. Jan 26 22:19:43 Hello Jan 26 22:19:52 hi Jan 26 22:22:33 thesing: /query Jan 26 22:22:58 thesing: i use one simpad for car-navigation with mapsonic and yes its realy big display ;-) Jan 26 22:23:39 * hrw for a moment Jan 26 22:23:51 hrw: what do you mean? Jan 26 22:24:04 mrdata: is mapsonic freeware? Jan 26 22:24:17 thesing: I sent you priv message - did you saw it? Jan 26 22:24:23 thesing: no, comes from viamichelin Jan 26 22:25:38 thesing: only one problem, for my version no more card updates are avaiable Jan 26 22:28:08 but there are newer version available? Jan 26 22:30:33 thesing: newer versions does not run with wince 4.1 Jan 26 22:31:49 and with 4.2? Jan 26 22:34:32 only from http://www.mullengers.com/ and cost 82 british pfund Jan 26 22:34:51 more than 150 euro Jan 26 22:36:07 also send simpad to uk, let it flash and then return Jan 26 22:38:40 ok, my oe is scaring me Jan 26 22:38:45 mrdata: would new version of mapsonic run on it? Jan 26 22:38:54 bitbake -k virtual/libsdl python gcc vim man snes9x-sdl gpm tslib tsclient Jan 26 22:39:01 is compiling gnome... Jan 26 22:39:07 thesing, hi! Jan 26 22:39:07 wvdschel: what happened. and don't despair it scares me too. At least sometimes. Jan 26 22:39:29 wvdschel: gnome? what from gnome exactly? Jan 26 22:39:41 gnome-desktop-2.18 among other things! Jan 26 22:40:19 hrw: hi! I noticed yesterday that I had stumbled onto you site recently, and didn't realize it was you! Jan 26 22:40:40 thesing, I've been reading about ALSA and kernel modules in general Jan 26 22:41:03 I'm going to start hacking on an audio driver feb. 5 Jan 26 22:41:12 wvdschel: happens Jan 26 22:41:44 anyway, I don't want gnome or gnome dependencies Jan 26 22:41:50 how do i get rid of these? Jan 26 22:42:17 aha Jan 26 22:42:22 you don't but most likely they are only needed at build time. Jan 26 22:42:29 tsclient is not what i thought it was, its a gnome app Jan 26 22:42:37 * wvdschel feels stupid now Jan 26 22:43:39 grrr, sdl keeps using x11, even though I told it to use directfb twice Jan 26 22:48:56 hmmm seems its really not that easy to get sdl to build on top of directfb Jan 26 22:49:18 I don't now. I never used sdl much. Jan 26 22:50:02 well I just want to play around with my zaurus without having a silly X server or a useless PIM suite Jan 26 22:52:09 I cant really get into serious stuff until my exams are over, so I just need some toys for now :P Jan 26 22:52:29 bye Jan 26 22:53:42 wvdschel: well then flash a hentges rom. Jan 26 22:53:58 although I don't know if the feeds are still available. Jan 26 22:53:59 they dont work for me Jan 26 22:54:03 the cardfs things dont work Jan 26 22:54:13 and without them, there isnt really a point Jan 26 22:54:30 the boot from sd doesnt do what it should either, it gives tons of errors at boot time Jan 26 22:54:53 thesing, what do you use on yours? or dont you use it? Jan 26 22:55:36 I don't use it I only devellop drivers for it. Jan 26 22:55:51 how noble of you Jan 26 22:56:26 Well its fun. An it got me started in kernel hacking. Jan 26 22:57:39 I hope I get the hang of it soon enough Jan 26 22:58:26 Did you read the linux device driver book? Jan 26 22:58:45 http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ Jan 26 22:59:22 This was my starting point. Jan 26 23:00:04 and for the sound driver there is alsa-soc doc in kernel. Jan 26 23:01:10 is it available for free? (all those pdf links make me think it is Jan 26 23:01:12 ) Jan 26 23:01:37 yes. Jan 26 23:01:45 sweet Jan 26 23:01:52 * wvdschel loads paper into the printer Jan 26 23:28:37 night all Jan 26 23:28:45 night Jan 26 23:28:55 also night all Jan 26 23:53:02 night all Jan 27 00:03:46 hi all Jan 27 00:05:42 hi undertook Jan 27 00:06:42 hi flo_lap eveyrthing allright? Jan 27 00:08:12 undertook: apart from a terrible lack of time ;) Jan 27 00:08:53 flo_lap: i think that is becoming the most common problem around .... ;-) Jan 27 00:09:06 undertook: indeed Jan 27 00:10:44 flo_lap:tonight i will dream a newversion of OE/bitbake that will "make world" within five minutes.... lol Jan 27 00:23:47 * RP contemplates -=, ~= and *= operators for bitbake Jan 27 00:24:02 uh Jan 27 00:24:46 undertook: thank you God Jan 27 00:25:25 T0mW: :-| Jan 27 00:25:31 * RP should really stop thinking about crazy new ideas :} Jan 27 00:26:06 undertook: the American Indians say that we are all a dream in the mind of God, so, if you can change bitbake for me... Jan 27 00:27:18 T0mW: yes i will (in mind ofcourse).... Jan 27 00:28:26 btw the guy that thought about bitbake should have really hate buildroot.... Jan 27 00:28:42 or thought he has an indian... Jan 27 00:28:47 he was... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 27 02:59:57 2008