**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 23 02:59:56 2008 Mar 23 04:21:39 Good God! OE is now totally and utterly dependent on opkg -- there is no means to build anything with ipkg anymore!! Mar 23 04:21:58 OE has become like Microsoft. Mar 23 04:22:18 THOU SHALT LIKE VISTA! AND THOU SHALT LOVE OPKG TOO! Mar 23 04:22:23 i have no problem using ipkg Mar 23 04:22:42 and grab my OE.mtn 2 weeks ago Mar 23 04:24:04 Seems to be a recent change. Check the classes -- you'll find that dependencies hardcoded are now on "opkg" - for example feeds are hardcoded to be created in /etc/opkg instead of /etc/ipkg. And that's the easy simple part. Mar 23 04:25:00 So apparently each distro must, by decree, include some sort of compatability package(s) -- regardless of whether they want them or not. Or they just don't have feeds that work, that's the choice. Mar 23 04:25:16 hmm. i dont see that in my rootfs. just ipkg. Mar 23 04:25:42 and my feed works fine Mar 23 04:26:04 It sure would have been nice if someone discussed this a bit, or made it optional, or at least offered documentation on how much freakin' flash this will eat up and how to modify the distro to make it all work again. Mar 23 04:26:14 heck opkg isnt even built Mar 23 04:26:46 of course im using my own distro and machine configs Mar 23 04:26:48 yeah, looks like you synced before this happened. Don't sync, at least until you know your distro has been patched up to work. Mar 23 04:26:51 which might be the reason Mar 23 04:27:05 I do too, that's why this is so annoying. Mar 23 04:28:11 My distro just changed so that it's rather less than useful, and I did nothing to ask for such a major change to occur, and it seems there's no docs on how to set it right. Mar 23 04:28:50 well either this happened less than 2 weeks ago when i pulled my updates, or you have overlooked something in local.conf or machine and distro configs. Mar 23 04:29:18 Yes, that's what I'm trying to say to you -- this has happened in the past days. Mar 23 04:29:34 So don't sync up unless you too wish to enjoy patching up your distro! Mar 23 04:29:46 so grab an older OE.mtn from last week. easy fix if thats the case Mar 23 04:30:12 No, not quite. Mar 23 04:30:32 That'll get me to the way it was last week. Ok, now what? Fork the repository? Mar 23 04:32:03 i dunno. i'm just a user. heh. so long as mine works for my development i guess i cant complain. Mar 23 04:32:08 It's not like there's a "PREFERRED_VERSION" or anything that you can set for this change! (that's certainly how it should have been done, though) Mar 23 04:32:36 wouldnt INHERIT = "package_ipk" work? Mar 23 04:33:20 i have that in my distro config Mar 23 04:40:01 wicknix: opkg is hard-coded into the various classes; it's not brought in via "inherit". If you use use the OE classes, you are now suddenly forced to use opkg. There's no way around it. Mar 23 04:41:08 guess i wont update then until i know more about this. Mar 23 05:23:08 mwester: you can use opkg-ipkg-compat.bb Mar 23 05:23:43 for the time being Mar 23 05:25:12 xjqian: fails Mar 23 05:28:07 mwester: fails because it only helps the user but not solving the problem for the distro maintainer ? Mar 23 05:28:46 immediately: it fails because the build dies on do_rootfs. Mar 23 05:29:05 probable next failure: insufficient space on the flash. Mar 23 05:29:17 long-term: not clear that it does help the user Mar 23 05:35:40 mwester: indeed, this is just a stop gap solution to make opkg ipkg coexist Mar 23 05:37:00 mwester: i think have a choice is a good thing Mar 23 05:37:38 mwester: you may want to convince koen to make opkg/ipkg a user controllable variable Mar 23 05:51:08 Well, that's one solution. The other is to revert the opkg changes until someone comes up with a solution that doesn't obsolete two distros. Mar 23 05:51:44 But I'll wait for a response from the mailing list, I guess. Mar 23 06:11:43 opkg-ipkg-compat.bb is totally broken. I can't even figure out what the last sym link it creates is really supposed to be or do. Mar 23 06:12:12 What it tries to do is create a circular link, which is pretty non-useful. Mar 23 06:12:31 The others just create opkg stuff that links off to nowhere. Mar 23 06:13:32 Ah, ok. Got it. Mar 23 06:14:57 The ipkg-ipkg-compat stuff is broken because it tries to link to stuff that doesn't exist anymore, because the other changes in the classes removed the code that creates those things to which it points. In other words, the compat package is solving some other problem, but it doesn't let you use ipkg anymore either. Mar 23 06:15:38 It's 1AM, I'm done for the day. +1 to revert the opkg stuff, let's try again and do it right. This sucks. Mar 23 06:18:54 morning all Mar 23 06:19:22 * steliosk things we should rename .dev to .experimental Mar 23 06:21:11 mwster : just read you email. your reasoning is right but i believe the problem is the fact that people just "dump" infrastructure changes to .dev and pray for the best Mar 23 06:22:22 mwester : i don't know the reason no one does it but these kind of changes should have been in a branch, tested and then merged to .dev Mar 23 06:22:51 and "mtn sucks" is not an answer Mar 23 09:55:41 hi Mar 23 11:28:09 "This is not a distro support channel" - heh, drat =) Mar 23 12:09:05 * * OE Bug 4115 has been created by  Mar 23 12:09:06 * * linux-rp-2.6.24-autobuild Mar 23 12:09:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4115 Mar 23 12:31:44 03koen 07org.oe.angstrom-2007.12-stable * rc378f146... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom: bump to r13 Mar 23 12:57:09 hi all Mar 23 12:57:35 i want to ask if OE can be used to deploy a crosscompiling toolchain on my system Mar 23 13:12:07 Miosc: yes Mar 23 13:12:18 hi, just a quick post to tell you that initramfs-bootmenu-image, does not build with parallele build Mar 23 13:12:29 BabelO: file bug please Mar 23 13:12:39 BabelO: I cant fix it now and I forget by morning Mar 23 13:12:51 XorA: how do i do it, in getting started there seems to be no mention about it Mar 23 13:13:09 XorA: ok Mar 23 13:15:50 Miosc: I cant remeber offhand Mar 23 13:16:07 Miosc: but we can certainly do it as openmoko distribute an SDK that way Mar 23 13:16:49 anyway I am off to watch some tv Mar 23 14:38:28 is there any howto on how to build a minimal OE ? Mar 23 14:38:57 i selected "angstrom-2008.1" as distro in my profile then just tried bitbake nano Mar 23 14:39:08 but it seems to build ~500 packages Mar 23 14:39:33 what i need is a very minimal kernel+busybox+sdl environment Mar 23 14:39:45 can anyone help? Mar 23 14:40:12 with gcc/g++ dev tool Mar 23 14:47:57 Miosc: bitbake minimal-image Mar 23 14:48:22 XorA|gone: thanks :D Mar 23 14:48:40 Miosc: console-image is a bit bigger with a few more utils Mar 23 14:49:53 ok thanks Mar 23 14:58:40 XorA|gone: minimal seems to be getting even more packages ~890 :( any ideas how to push it down to ~100 or less? Mar 23 14:59:19 Miosc: packages built != packages installed Mar 23 14:59:35 ah i see Mar 23 15:01:00 and some of the stuff built is the cross toolchain Mar 23 17:16:45 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r64705d4f... 10/ (1 classes/autotools.bbclass): Mar 23 17:16:45 autotools.bbclass: enable installing .pc files on demand Mar 23 17:16:45 (see file for lenghty explanation) Mar 23 17:16:49 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rb65e0f80... 10/ (1 classes/efl.bbclass): efl.bbclass: use autotools to install .pc files Mar 23 17:16:54 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r0d93ec84... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Mar 23 17:16:54 revert EFL SRCDATE back to 20080129. Some time after that, the E folks Mar 23 17:16:54 broke module detection (at least) in ecore configure.in Mar 23 18:13:37 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4f10bd2a... 10/ (1 classes/efl.bbclass): Mar 23 18:13:37 efl.bbclass: bump PE to unbreak builds and feeds Mar 23 18:13:37 * please don't make PV go backwards without bumping PE Mar 23 18:38:23 Hi, all! Mar 23 18:53:54 can anyone here help me with a bitbake autoconf error i have with apcupsd, the log says: FATAL: oe_runconf Mar 23 18:55:21 i've been trying to figure out it forever, but i don't know how to fix it properly Mar 23 19:04:47 XorA|gone: it is more generic that what i think, BB_NUMBER_THREADS hand randomly on console-image also Mar 23 19:27:34 hi Mar 23 20:36:31 hi Mar 23 20:37:15 i'm having issues with a user-created apcupsd_3.14.3.bb, i need to do this in oe_runconf: "cd ${S}; ./configure" Mar 23 20:37:19 anyone know how? Mar 23 20:51:21 scant: hmm... i would expect this to happen in oe_runconf Mar 23 20:51:39 scant: assuming you inherit autotools of course Mar 23 20:52:55 flo_lap: error log: http://pastebin.ca/954234 Mar 23 20:52:55 apcupsd_3.14.3.bb: http://pastebin.ca/954274 Mar 23 21:26:48 http://pastebin.com/m2c3f953d Mar 23 21:27:11 how is it possible, that ep93xx-gpio-interrupt-debounce.diff is applied twice? Mar 23 21:30:05 * * OE Bug 4116 has been created by dannytaylor(AT)visi.com Mar 23 21:30:07 * * Epiphany doesn't build Mar 23 21:30:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4116 Mar 23 21:41:43 * RP reads the OE mailing list and wishes he hadn't :( Mar 23 21:44:40 * flo_lap still needs to catch up with his personal mail before reading lists Mar 23 21:45:26 scant: i got a timeout accessing pastebin :-/ Mar 23 22:08:48 bye! Mar 23 23:33:26 RP: it's just the usual stuff on the list ... Mar 23 23:34:19 once could ponder why, if mtn branches are so easy according to koen, he didn't use on for opkg transition ... Mar 23 23:34:28 s/on/one/ Mar 24 00:04:12 rwhitby: dont just blame koen, I acked the change without really thinking it through Mar 24 00:04:39 rwhitby: distro focus :-( Mar 24 00:05:54 XorA|gone: I would have acked the change to, but would have expected to see a transition plan which considered how a number of distros would change in a staggered fashion. Mar 24 00:07:02 rwhitby: one thing to be careful of is certain emails that are ranting confuse OE using opkg to make feeds with opkg ending up on target device, its the second I think we broke without proper thought Mar 24 00:08:16 XorA|gone: agreed Mar 24 00:08:43 rwhitby: I go to OM offices in an hour or so, Ill see what I can do to aleviate the mess if I get time Mar 24 00:09:00 rwhitby: but I might get stuck teaching all day :-) Mar 24 00:10:42 XorA|gone: thx - I think that in most cases someone just acknowledging that there is a problem (without trying to deflect the blame) is enough to defuse the situation and get multiple people working the issue. Mar 24 00:11:33 the problem is that usually koen does *not* acknowledge that there is a problem at all (he hasn't in this case) and just tries to shoot down the reporter. Mar 24 00:12:14 hi guys, question: my kernel won't boot because it hangs at "Sending DHCP requests" which times out. Is this a problem with my bootargs or something to do with my network? Mar 24 00:13:10 boortix: easiest way to find out would be to run wireshark (ethereal) on the server to see what packets the device is sending and the server is sending back in reply. Mar 24 00:14:19 I don't have access to the server I am just connected to my school's network switch , any other suggestions? Mar 24 00:17:01 ah, your school may have a problem with you running a network sniffer too ... Mar 24 00:17:31 do a direct connection from this device to another machine, both off the network. run wireshark on the other machine. Mar 24 00:19:10 ok I will try that, but am I supposed to pass any network arguments through bootargs? I am not passing anything currently Mar 24 00:19:42 boortix: depends on your dhcp server setup Mar 24 00:20:58 can I determine that from ifconfig on a machine I have connected to the same network? Mar 24 01:40:06 anyone here? Mar 24 01:47:19 morning Mar 24 01:50:02 hi XorA, are you experienced with bb files? Mar 24 01:50:21 scant: If I say yes are you going to ask complex questions :-) Mar 24 01:50:52 yes Mar 24 01:51:00 * XorA knows nothing then :-D Mar 24 01:51:25 XorA: i've been trying to make a bb file for apcupsd for a target platform of slugosbe that runs on a linksys nslu2 Mar 24 01:51:35 or in other words they make me work here and I havent found a coffee machine yet Mar 24 01:51:58 but the linker flags that configure puts in the Makefiles aren't formatted correctly Mar 24 01:52:06 scant: that the APC UPS daemon, just to make sure I thinking the correct thing Mar 24 01:52:13 XorA: yes Mar 24 01:52:25 maybe they drink tea? Mar 24 01:52:29 scant: is it autotooled or just plane make? Mar 24 01:52:46 Crofton: no tea machine either, it seems you have to walk to starbucks or drink 7-11 tar Mar 24 01:52:50 XorA: i think it uses autoconf if that's what you're asking Mar 24 01:53:00 XorA: this is my error: http://pastebin.ca/890541 Mar 24 01:53:54 scant: odd, that is certainly a valid argument in sane ld Mar 24 01:54:08 strange foreign customs Mar 24 01:54:12 XorA: i don't know which option is unrecognized, i don't think it's -Wl, so I think it's rpath-link Mar 24 01:54:43 scant: -Wl just passed what follows it to the linket Mar 24 01:54:45 linker Mar 24 01:54:56 scant: so you can feed linker arguments to gcc without worries Mar 24 01:55:37 XorA: is rpath-link the unrecognized option? Mar 24 01:55:50 scant: it should be as its valid Mar 24 01:56:18 XorA: what's the unrecognized option? Mar 24 01:56:46 scant: hmm, mayve you cant feed -Wl to linker directly Mar 24 01:57:02 scant: most stuff uses gcc as linker not calling LD directly Mar 24 01:57:17 scant: try altering makefile so instead of ld it calls gcc with same args Mar 24 01:59:42 XorA: is the makefile generated by configure? Mar 24 02:00:11 scant: should be generated from Makefile.am Mar 24 02:01:35 XorA: i don't know how to do that, i don't know anything about makefiles Mar 24 02:02:25 Makefile.am -> Makefile.in -> Makefile Mar 24 02:04:29 XorA: can you walk me through this change to the makefile? Mar 24 02:09:09 scant: I can try, give me a url for apcupsd and Ill download the source here and see what I see Mar 24 02:10:13 XorA, my idea of fun http://www.flickr.com/photos/32615155@N00/sets/72157604221601303/ Mar 24 02:11:09 Crofton: you know its cheating when you make your own caves :-) Mar 24 02:11:27 XorA: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/apcupsd/apcupsd-3.14.3.tar.gz Mar 24 02:12:11 we are just helping nature Mar 24 02:12:25 nature will need some more help :( Mar 24 02:13:47 scant: can you post you .bb file Mar 24 02:13:51 scant: on pastebin Mar 24 02:21:15 XorA: apcupsd_3.14.3.bb: http://pastebin.ca/954745 Mar 24 02:22:17 scant: why that unique oe_runconf? looks like it passes the same stuff as real runconf Mar 24 02:22:49 that's the only way i could get it to work Mar 24 02:23:40 XorA: if i don't do it that way, i get these errors: http://pastebin.ca/954234 Mar 24 02:25:42 scant: did you override do_configure on that one? Mar 24 02:29:27 XorA: no, that last pastebin was w/o the do_configure override Mar 24 02:31:13 scant: well thats the real error, looks like inttoolize didnt run right Mar 24 02:31:19 scant: maybe google for that error Mar 24 02:31:26 XorA: nothing comes up Mar 24 02:31:38 damn thing Mar 24 02:31:54 XorA: what do i do to fix it, i really want apcupsd via openembedded Mar 24 02:31:59 * XorA shall stick that bb in his repo and see what comes out here Mar 24 02:32:25 XorA: put it in your repository? Mar 24 02:32:42 XorA: you haven't run it yet? Mar 24 02:33:26 XorA: what's inittoolize, maybe i don't have it installed Mar 24 02:34:07 scant: I shall try and debug here, give me 15 mins Mar 24 02:34:18 XorA: thanks Mar 24 02:46:20 boortix: the dhcp/bootp server will usually be set up to respond in a certain way to each individual mac address Mar 24 02:48:44 scant: this autoconf was written by insane monkies :-( Mar 24 02:50:02 XorA: oh Mar 24 02:51:12 XorA: is there a quick and dirty solution? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 24 02:59:57 2008