**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 26 02:59:56 2008 Mar 26 03:01:48 morning Mar 26 03:02:05 7.10 Mar 26 03:02:20 trying to install all the needed stuff and devel-core wasnt found :( Mar 26 03:02:39 Good morning Taipei :) Mar 26 03:02:43 or psycho Mar 26 03:02:57 Darkrift2: are you on x86_64? Mar 26 03:03:03 oops, using wrong distro's install instructions :s Mar 26 03:03:06 no, 32 Mar 26 06:14:46 test Mar 26 06:22:45 test: failed Mar 26 06:24:49 XorA: phh Mar 26 06:25:10 hvontres|home: hows poodling going Mar 26 06:25:46 XorA: Not too well lately...House projects keep getting in the way :( Mar 26 06:26:28 hvontres|home: know the feeling Mar 26 06:26:45 XorA: Right now I need to replace 100ft of fence Mar 26 06:26:55 hvontres|home: I dont have that much garden :-) Mar 26 06:27:02 hehe Mar 26 06:28:10 actually, that is only one side :) Mar 26 06:28:26 heh heh Mar 26 06:30:15 morning all Mar 26 06:30:26 hey steliosk Mar 26 06:31:22 XorA : Hi ! Still in taiwan ? Mar 26 06:31:30 steliosk: I fly back friday Mar 26 06:31:40 steliosk: then Im back in sensible GMT timezone :-) Mar 26 06:32:26 XorA : hehe Mar 26 06:33:04 XorA : my colleague is flying to HK today he will be back on Friday also Mar 26 06:33:29 ow, out and back in 3 days, nasty Mar 26 06:34:13 XorA : yeah, Its not a job its an adventure :) Mar 26 06:35:14 XorA : we did some work on a device that's going to be installed on ocean going ships and he is going to install it Mar 26 06:37:14 XorA : there is a "bonus' to finish quickly. If he does not make it, then he will have to spend 3 weeks on the ship as its sailing to US on Saturday :) Mar 26 06:43:35 steliosk: I had a friend ended up stuck on ship in india for 3 weeks Mar 26 06:43:42 steliosk: he learned to debug better :-D Mar 26 06:43:58 XorA : hehe Mar 26 06:44:09 steliosk: he didnt know ship was going to sail bug fixed or not, so he only brought 2 days clothes, and didnt speak any indian Mar 26 06:44:18 he looked like caveman Mar 26 06:46:00 XorA : Probably he will make it, but its a close call, so told him to be prepared :) Anyway he is young and with no wife, so its going to be an adventure ;) Mar 26 06:46:14 heh heh, break em in rough Mar 26 06:47:32 XorA : The good thing is, that if things go well we have to install close to 60-70 devices on ships all over the world Mar 26 06:47:52 he will probably get to see a lot more places ;) Mar 26 06:48:32 i am too old and too married now to do it :) Mar 26 06:54:17 morning Mar 26 07:19:21 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r39f05de8... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Mar 26 07:19:21 linux-openmoko_2.6.24.bb : openmoko kernel has diverged so same kernel does Mar 26 07:19:21 not support two machines anymore. Mar 26 07:26:00 * mickeyl sighs Mar 26 07:30:27 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r394f634a... 10/ (1 packages/opkg/opkg.inc): opkg/opkg.inc : bigendian patch has been applied to svn Mar 26 07:31:24 the .la checks are a pain Mar 26 07:31:33 of course they're necessary though Mar 26 07:31:37 how can we fix that for good? Mar 26 07:33:15 which ones do you mean? Mar 26 07:33:51 Julian just found tinymail depends on the file /home/pvanhof/personal.h Mar 26 07:34:35 everything "*.la contains reference to workdir" Mar 26 07:34:38 hmm cairo is giving me issues .. before it refused to load images ,. now with 1.4.14 it does it but it renders the buttons of my theme wrong .. Mar 26 07:34:53 looks like we have tons of files with these problems Mar 26 07:34:56 mickeyl: sed catches most of them Mar 26 07:35:01 hmm, not here Mar 26 07:35:47 well, i had to revert RP's autotools change in order to get E work Mar 26 07:35:47 so perhaps this one fixed it Mar 26 07:36:04 mickeyl: which change did you revert? Mar 26 07:38:04 XorA: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2008-March/013570.html Mar 26 08:10:39 morning all! Mar 26 08:13:52 morning gremlin[it]. how's weather in italy these days? it's snowing here :( Mar 26 08:14:12 today nice sun! a bit cold but sun! Mar 26 08:14:30 mickeyl where are you? Mar 26 08:14:50 germany again ... Mar 26 08:15:03 it's snowing there? Mar 26 08:15:09 ya Mar 26 08:15:22 light, but anyways Mar 26 08:15:32 mickeyl, how was the shock from Brazilian sun to German snow ??? :D Mar 26 08:15:39 compared with brazil it's bad weatherm isn't it? Mar 26 08:15:46 hahaha Mar 26 08:15:47 temporal shock, indeed Mar 26 08:15:54 30 to 0 in 10 hours Mar 26 08:16:03 uf!! really hard Mar 26 08:16:22 in three days we're travelling to austria Mar 26 08:16:30 it's going to be < 0 there Mar 26 08:16:38 *sigh* Mar 26 08:16:51 ah! myckeyl i was interested in a GSoC, but i don't have a lot of time, then maybe it's not the focus of GSoC Mar 26 08:17:02 but i'm still relly interested in one proposal Mar 26 08:17:32 which one? Mar 26 08:18:57 the VoIP and telepathy Mar 26 08:19:15 i'd like to help it Mar 26 08:19:39 and DBUS system Mar 26 08:21:53 mickeyl, news about foundation? especially about need to sign Mar 26 08:22:19 yeah Mar 26 08:22:42 good news is only the board members need to have their signature verified Mar 26 08:22:57 so that means 4 of us are going to visit an official in april Mar 26 08:23:03 (when i'm back from .au) Mar 26 08:23:14 excellent Mar 26 08:23:16 after that, it should only take few time to have it officially installed Mar 26 08:23:38 good! Mar 26 08:24:04 yep Mar 26 08:24:38 someone of us other thank koen have pley with beagleboard ? Mar 26 08:24:44 pley -> play Mar 26 08:25:07 did koen even get to play, i thought he just stole the pictures Mar 26 08:25:12 i don't even know what a beagleboard is :)) Mar 26 08:25:24 we should have more money to get boards to devels Mar 26 08:25:26 its a dead dog Mar 26 08:25:35 i think this is something the foundation will work on Mar 26 08:26:55 heheh ... it should cost 150$ ... Mar 26 08:27:19 TI 3530 based (cortex A8 ) Mar 26 08:27:34 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard http://beagleboard.org/ Mar 26 08:28:03 ah, an omap devel board Mar 26 08:29:26 is not truly a devel ... is a generic consumer board seem ... Mar 26 08:30:28 i would like play with a cortex A8 :) Mar 26 08:33:58 morning all Mar 26 08:34:29 morning rp Mar 26 08:36:16 i don't feel like writing a mail.... in a nutshell, what's left until ve can vote on SCM? Mar 26 08:36:21 s/ve/we/ Mar 26 08:36:23 morning Mar 26 08:36:25 yo hrw Mar 26 08:36:28 how's baby donig? Mar 26 08:36:29 doing Mar 26 08:36:37 fine Mar 26 08:36:41 good! Mar 26 08:36:56 we even gets night with just one feeding break Mar 26 08:37:06 not each night but often Mar 26 08:37:23 vote for git^Wscm... Mar 26 08:37:50 infrastructure was decided? mirrors, web interface, which machine, who will config it? Mar 26 08:38:23 s/which machine// as we do not have many machines so it will be amethyst Mar 26 08:38:34 exactly Mar 26 08:38:51 what's about the push methods? Mar 26 08:38:58 i have no problem with adding accounts for people Mar 26 08:39:23 people told me webdav is pain Mar 26 08:39:40 we did not decided which branches will be hosted, how to name branches etc Mar 26 08:39:57 Hopefully that is one of the easier bits to sort out Mar 26 08:40:19 mickeyl: I sent a summary about which methods we can use to host git Mar 26 08:40:28 I know that my naming is not allowed ;) hacks/gcc-4.2.3 hacks/mtd-utils-update Mar 26 08:41:29 anything speaks against naming the branch like w/ mtn? Mar 26 08:41:44 openembedded/dev openembedded/angstrom-2007-stable Mar 26 08:41:53 openmoko/b0rk3d Mar 26 08:42:05 slashes are ok? Mar 26 08:42:07 openembedded/dev/sysroot/ ? Mar 26 08:42:09 they are Mar 26 08:42:28 I would vote for s/org.openembedded.dev/master Mar 26 08:42:51 so .dev === HEAD/trunk/master Mar 26 08:42:56 right Mar 26 08:42:59 the origin/ stuff just annoys me about git Mar 26 08:43:00 so the main question Mar 26 08:43:07 we need to have a transition period Mar 26 08:43:14 how do we do thatß Mar 26 08:43:14 ? Mar 26 08:43:33 so we would have angstrom/2007-stable angstrom/2008-stable dev/sysroot Mar 26 08:44:13 mickeyl: we have Holger's git mirror so we can get GIT tree working fast. only need to rename branches in it Mar 26 08:44:27 a problem with git we found at wolfson is if two people push to same branch, then it all went horribly wrong, but pulling seemed ok Mar 26 08:44:31 then we switch off commits to monotone Mar 26 08:44:48 and open pushing to GIT Mar 26 08:45:14 XorA: uhoh, that sounds nasty Mar 26 08:45:15 git didnt seem to be designed to push Mar 26 08:45:19 monotone server shutdown after month (without database updates during that time) Mar 26 08:45:30 XorA: I think locking and git has improved a lot more recently Mar 26 08:45:42 RP: well we better be sure it has Mar 26 08:46:01 we need to Mar 26 08:46:07 i want no one to say "told you so" Mar 26 08:46:08 kernel guys all use pull model, so thats what gets tested Mar 26 08:46:09 XorA: When did you have that problem? Mar 26 08:46:11 once we run into problem Mar 26 08:46:12 s Mar 26 08:46:18 RP: shortly after 1.5 released Mar 26 08:46:37 XorA: pushing how, using ssh with multiple accounts? Mar 26 08:46:49 RP: ssh with multiple pubkeys Mar 26 08:46:58 RP: so same account Mar 26 08:47:11 can we get around this by using different accounts? Mar 26 08:47:40 RP: in end I had to push to a gg-dev branch, liam would then merge and push to the main branch Mar 26 08:47:47 I have a feeling a single account with strict access control might work better Mar 26 08:47:54 RP: so we only wrote to our own branches Mar 26 08:48:28 XorA: Was it only failing if you both pushed at the same time? Mar 26 08:48:35 03jeremy_laine 07org.oe.dev * rd7868047... 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): pump_0.8.24.bb: add pump DHCP/BOOTP client Mar 26 08:48:55 RP: Im sorry its so long ago I cant remeber if it was triggered by commit close in time or some other thing Mar 26 08:49:03 RP: I suspect it was simultaneos commits Mar 26 08:49:30 What I'd like to do is get a git server running for experimentation Mar 26 08:49:34 yep Mar 26 08:49:42 can we use holger's Mar 26 08:49:42 ? Mar 26 08:49:48 RP: BTW the change zecke talked about for autotool.bbclass that is in openmoko.dev fucks up gcc-cross staging Mar 26 08:50:30 mickeyl: I'd like to do the server side setup too so we get a good feel for any issues Mar 26 08:50:50 RP: ok, cool. do you want an account on amethyst? Mar 26 08:51:15 RP: send me your pubkey and you'll get root access. create your own account, if necessary Mar 26 08:51:26 XorA: Which change, using oe_libinstall in STAGE_TEMP instead of $S? Mar 26 08:51:33 RP: yes Mar 26 08:51:38 mickeyl: ok, that sounds like a good way forward, thanks :) Mar 26 08:51:41 np Mar 26 08:52:09 I guess if people are actually using gitosis that would throw up locking bugs Mar 26 08:53:47 03jeremy_laine 07org.oe.dev * r98e87503... 10/ (1 packages/pump/pump_0.8.24.bb): pump_0.8.24.bb: set SECTION to console/network Mar 26 08:54:24 XorA: I think something like gitosis is the way forward along but we need a strong ruleset with it to enforce commit ids Mar 26 08:54:36 otherwise I know exactly what will happen :( Mar 26 08:54:57 RP: I am already unhappy about our security model in OE mtn Mar 26 08:55:14 RP: all commits should be signed by a developer key, not just pushed by a developer key Mar 26 08:55:47 I didn't realise that mtn worked that way :/ Mar 26 08:56:06 RP: it can work the way I want it to, but we dont use it that way Mar 26 08:56:22 RP: so technically I could accidently push pure crap from another repo by accident Mar 26 08:56:31 because I am allowed to push anything I like Mar 26 08:56:55 will we use @openembedded.org names (which are not always emails) or own ones? Mar 26 08:59:09 and other simple question: does any of you ever used Mercurial (hg)? Mar 26 08:59:13 I'm tempted to say proper email addresses Mar 26 08:59:29 Its not like I'll notice more spam to rpsys.net :( Mar 26 09:01:55 * mickeyl votes for proper email addresses as well Mar 26 09:02:23 never used hg. i don't know whether it's wise to switch from a niche system (mtn) to another niche system. Mar 26 09:02:35 back then we had no choice Mar 26 09:02:35 merging from poky with hrw@OH, OH time stuff with hrw@OH, private stuff with OE@Haerwu Mar 26 09:02:48 yeah Mar 26 09:03:08 i kind of like the idea that i have different accounts depending on whom i did worked for :) Mar 26 09:03:11 s/worked/work/ Mar 26 09:03:17 mickeyl: That is my biggest worry with hg too Mar 26 09:03:34 mickeyl: Certain people don't seem to want to see it though :( Mar 26 09:03:43 RP: ignore certain people. Mar 26 09:03:47 ;) Mar 26 09:04:03 * XorA has used hg Mar 26 09:04:11 mickeyl: That is most likely the way forward ;-) Mar 26 09:04:16 hehe Mar 26 09:05:06 seriously though. although i don't give much about words, but i have several people that are _really_ anal to SCM. If we are going to use git, we will have some less resistance among certain (important) people... Mar 26 09:05:20 hg has a sane interface, but apart from that seems to work pretty much the same as git Mar 26 09:05:27 git has an insane interface :-( Mar 26 09:06:34 * hrw -> shop Mar 26 09:06:48 * mickeyl checks FRA arrivals... Mar 26 09:07:05 * XorA hungers for a chippy Mar 26 09:07:48 umpf Mar 26 09:07:53 brazilian airlines... Mar 26 09:07:55 XorA: shame we don't have teleporters or I could have helped... Mar 26 09:07:59 scheduled arrival: 13.05 Mar 26 09:08:05 estimated arrival: 15.06 Mar 26 09:08:10 *sigh* Mar 26 09:08:14 ouch! Mar 26 09:08:20 RP: I actually think there is a chippy in Taipei, I saw something called an Irish Potato bar, looked like a chippy Mar 26 09:08:48 * RP has never heard of a potato bar before :) Mar 26 09:09:00 RP: it looked like a chippy :-) Mar 26 09:09:41 XorA: Even in the UK they can't get chippies right "down south" so I don't hold out much hope Mar 26 09:09:56 RP: Bristol has good chippies Mar 26 09:10:09 RP: unless your looking for mushy peas Mar 26 09:10:44 XorA: The further south you go, the smaller the chips get until you hit french fries instead IME :/ Mar 26 09:11:21 * XorA didnt have that problem in Basingstoke Brighton or Bristol, maybe I just go the right way :-) Mar 26 09:11:33 WTF is every town down south start with a V Mar 26 09:11:34 B Mar 26 09:11:50 XorA: You must have been lucky Mar 26 09:12:05 RP: well I am from Down South, maybe its a knack :-) Mar 26 09:12:25 Edin chippies are terrible unless they are run by italians Mar 26 09:12:50 XorA: They all have a stash of small chips to give northerners? :) Mar 26 09:13:26 heh, I could degerate into Lock Stock quotes now :-) Mar 26 09:13:56 I'm spoilt here, I live right next to North Sheilds fish quay so the fish is usually pretty good Mar 26 09:14:09 * XorA decides to visit RP more Mar 26 09:14:18 well, next to being a 2 miles away Mar 26 09:16:34 03koen 07org.oe.angstrom-2007.12-stable * rbe8d100a... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): teslab: add and activate by default Mar 26 09:16:50 ugh, a makefile doing -L$(DESTDIR)/$(libdir) :/ Mar 26 09:22:33 re Mar 26 09:23:16 XorA: Do you have a log from the gcc-cross failure? Mar 26 09:23:44 RP: not anymore Mar 26 09:24:14 RP: oh wait, I backed up the tmp directory Mar 26 09:26:38 RP: uploading them Mar 26 09:26:54 RP: http://www.xora.org.uk/~dp/logs/ Mar 26 09:27:03 RP: thats the logs from gcc-cross Mar 26 09:31:46 XorA: Thanks. What puzzles me is nothing in gcc-cross uses autotools_stage_all Mar 26 09:32:38 (either in your logs or mine) Mar 26 09:34:31 RP: its crazy voodoo :-( Mar 26 09:47:43 good morning Mar 26 10:06:08 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r6fb81274... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc): sane-srcdates.inc: bump EFL to the last date before upstream broke pkgconfig detection Mar 26 10:10:38 hi florian Mar 26 11:26:05 Who has the power to create accounts for the oe website? Mar 26 11:29:44 re Mar 26 11:29:46 florian: you??? Mar 26 11:30:37 XorA: humm... yes since I'm root on the database server. :-} Mar 26 11:31:05 florian: heh heh, I thought you had admin account for oe.org as well, I guess koen Mar 26 11:31:51 XorA: i don't think that I even have an account at all... usually you don't need unless you want to create news or a new wiki page. Mar 26 11:32:32 florian: Ive just passed the question on Mar 26 11:33:02 XorA: ok, thaks :) Mar 26 11:33:06 +n Mar 26 11:33:07 florian: Error: "n" is not a valid command. Mar 26 11:33:23 heh Mar 26 11:45:48 florian: at least holger, mickeyl RP and hrw have access Mar 26 11:46:46 and I prefer to not touch website at all Mar 26 11:46:51 drupal scares me Mar 26 11:47:11 and that drupal-wiki even more Mar 26 11:47:35 hrw: now you know why I did not miss an account all the time ;) Mar 26 11:51:05 * * OE Bug 4124 has been created by  Mar 26 11:51:07 * * apmd-3.2.2-autobuild Mar 26 11:51:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4124 Mar 26 12:02:08 I think I do have an account there but I've not touched it in years... Mar 26 12:02:49 florian: what do you need done? Mar 26 12:03:32 XorA: just an account - i'd like to start the LinuxTag2008 wiki Mar 26 12:05:08 !google 194 GBP in EUR Mar 26 12:05:09 194 British pounds = 249.718443 Euros Mar 26 12:05:32 florian: sorry I dont have an account Mar 26 12:06:26 florian: page created Mar 26 12:06:36 hrw: thanks Mar 26 12:06:38 http://www.openembedded.org/linuxtag2008 Mar 26 12:07:20 very nice... then I can add some basic information there Mar 26 12:33:50 RP: XorA: question about about the alsa SOC kernel stuff -- the Stream domain events, do you happen to know if these occur when the audio device is opened and closed, or when audio data starts and stops flowing? Mar 26 12:34:25 cbrake: Ill pass you to broonie Mar 26 12:34:43 cbrake: its 8:30pm here and Im frazzled Mar 26 12:34:58 XorA: ahh, still in tw :-) Mar 26 12:35:05 cbrake: yeah Mar 26 12:35:19 * XorA guesses its broonie lunch time about now Mar 26 12:51:19 lrg: or you can answer cbrake Mar 26 12:51:41 03jeremy_laine 07org.oe.dev * r62a64737... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): squidview_0.72.bb: add squidview interactive tool for squid Mar 26 12:52:54 cbrake: opened and closed Mar 26 12:53:06 lrg cheers Mar 26 12:53:10 * XorA is brain fried Mar 26 12:53:29 XorA: is it not late in .tw ? Mar 26 12:53:30 XorA: the smell must be awful :) Mar 26 12:53:42 lrg: 20:53 Mar 26 12:53:57 XorA: you should be in the pub..... Mar 26 12:54:13 lrg: I object to drinking along Mar 26 12:54:15 alone Mar 26 13:03:08 lrg: thanks Mar 26 13:16:50 I don't know id someone could help me with this problem but I have not been able to build an OM image in the last week. It's like if the build tools in "moko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/bin" were not accessible. Have someone seen this behavior? Mar 26 13:16:53 hmm, I went to bed and XorA was here, now I am up and XorA is here Mar 26 13:17:31 Crofton: you sleep too sort or too long then Mar 26 13:17:49 jmichel: yes. you need to remove tmp and start from scratch Mar 26 13:18:12 the tmp folder was deleted and it does the same thing Mar 26 13:18:35 anybody with experience doing realtime under linux? I'm trying to run a 20hz sensor loop under a 266Mhz IXP425 board so it's tight.. Mar 26 13:18:42 I'm also two hours off my normal TZ :) Mar 26 13:18:42 hrw: anything else I should erase ? Mar 26 13:19:45 jmichel: after whole tmpdir remove? Mar 26 13:20:48 hrw: I deleted the whole OMDIR/tmp, is it what you are talking about ? Mar 26 13:21:00 hi all Mar 26 13:23:14 hrw: Also If I add "moko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/bin" in my PATH it gets a little farther but then I get an error with autoconf as shown in http://pastebin.ca/958042 Mar 26 13:24:03 hrw: a search on Google tells me that the OpenEmbedded version of autoconf is not used but I don't know why Mar 26 13:24:41 Crofton: obviously I work more than you sleep Mar 26 13:24:56 jmichel: I have no idea how openmoko builds works today. Mar 26 13:25:10 jmichel: do 'make update-makefile;make update' first (iirc) Mar 26 13:25:32 jmichel: and ask xora for more help (remove moko/build/tmp too) Mar 26 13:25:39 any ideas why i get this error: http://pastebin.com/m64611c7b ttf-liberation-0.2 is build... Mar 26 13:26:14 or the openmoko guys are slave drivers Mar 26 13:26:48 jmichel: I dont understand why you see what you see, can you please put the first error, not the error after you started fiddling Mar 26 13:28:02 XorA: It is in http://pastebin.ca/958039 Mar 26 13:29:32 ahah so it doesnt find oe_sha256sum Mar 26 13:30:00 XorA: exactly... like if the path was not set correctly Mar 26 13:30:10 jmichel: I think you need to update MokoMakefile Mar 26 13:30:46 XorA: I just did "make update-makefile setup update" Mar 26 13:31:17 XorA: I mean I did that many times in the last week with no success Mar 26 13:31:20 jmichel: did you get message about deleteing patches Mar 26 13:31:26 yes Mar 26 13:31:53 I deleted everything as mentionned in while doing "make setup" Mar 26 13:32:20 Good Morning Mar 26 13:32:34 jmichel: I am truly puzzled Mar 26 13:34:27 XorA: I guess it may be the time for me to start a fresh build Mar 26 13:35:08 jmichel: that might be only option :-( it seems something is messing with the setup Mar 26 13:43:29 law: I think that is from the default REDEPENDS and RRECOMMENDS referencing $PN when its been removed from PACKAGES Mar 26 13:47:57 law: I don't see that error here and I think it was fixed a while aho Mar 26 13:47:59 ago Mar 26 14:04:46 03xora 07org.oe.dev * re6c88d0f... 10/ (136 files in 65 dirs): fic-gta0? : renamed fic-gta0? to om-gta0? to reflect true name of device Mar 26 14:12:34 XorA|gone, i currently updated my repo Mar 26 14:12:57 XorA|gone, perhaps its device specific? i try to build for collie Mar 26 14:32:02 03jeremy_laine 07org.oe.dev * r4724e3c7... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Mar 26 14:32:02 squid: improve configuration defaults and provide init script Mar 26 14:32:02 * provide sane defaults for configuration file (based on Debian package) Mar 26 14:32:02 * provide an init script for squid which creates log/cache directories Mar 26 14:32:02 as needed Mar 26 14:32:07 03jeremy_laine 07org.oe.dev * r44b33ee8... 10/ (1 packages/squid/squid/squid.init): squid: fix a typo in the init script Mar 26 15:01:31 http://pastebin.com/m6286a257 - anyone know what is up with building an opie-image Mar 26 15:01:41 one of the sites that it tries to download from gives a forbidden Mar 26 15:07:06 cyrus__: wait few minutes - I just dropped that Mar 26 15:08:45 hrw - ok...so update in a few minutes then try again Mar 26 15:08:51 hrw - it has been like this for a week Mar 26 15:11:47 cyrus__: or rather year or more Mar 26 15:12:03 most of distros use 2.3.10 like they should Mar 26 15:15:19 ~curse monotone for requiring 8GHz cpu with 40GB ram Mar 26 15:15:19 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, monotone for requiring 8GHz cpu with 40GB ram ! Mar 26 15:34:02 RP: BTW: my autotools change caused a regression, I have not seen the build logs though :) Mar 26 15:35:56 zecke: I discussed it with XorA as I didn't understand how it happened. I saw the logs of gcc-cross but I don't know what broke :/ Mar 26 15:50:55 hmm, now my avahi no longer builds Mar 26 15:51:05 * * OE Bug 4125 has been created by frederic.devernay(AT)m4x.org Mar 26 15:51:07 * * SIMpad: /etc/fstab is wrong Mar 26 15:51:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4125 Mar 26 15:51:09 mickeyl: :) Mar 26 15:51:15 mickeyl: org.openmoko.dev branch? Mar 26 15:51:28 XorA|gone: no, org.oe.dev minus RP autotools patch Mar 26 15:51:45 | /local/pkg/oe/fic-gta01/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so: file not recognized: File format not recognized Mar 26 15:51:45 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Mar 26 15:51:45 | arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-libtool: install: error: relink `libavahi-glib.la' with the above command before installing it Mar 26 15:51:51 known? Mar 26 15:52:18 mickeyl: search for libssp.la in cross Mar 26 15:52:58 it's there Mar 26 15:53:09 its broken Mar 26 15:53:13 and shouldnt be there Mar 26 15:55:38 k Mar 26 15:55:59 work out the mystery of why its there and tell RP :-) Mar 26 15:58:26 one step after another ;) Mar 26 16:04:36 mickeyl: Why is avahi trying to use native staging? Mar 26 16:04:51 mickeyl: or is this a 64 bit target machine? Mar 26 16:07:17 RP: there is a -L in libssp.la that points to native staging Mar 26 16:07:36 RP: but libssp is not normally put into cross Mar 26 16:07:54 RP: it only appears there when your patches are reverted or modified Mar 26 16:07:58 RP: yes, 64-bit machine Mar 26 16:08:12 XorA|gone: ah, right, hmm Mar 26 16:09:01 My patches have become sentient and resist efforts to remove them? :) Mar 26 16:09:21 hehe Mar 26 16:09:24 now that's cool Mar 26 16:09:59 I think someone already invented that -- they call it a virus. :p :) Mar 26 16:11:38 The next weird thing with this is that autotools_stage_all doesn't touch cross Mar 26 16:13:04 mickeyl: when monotone.oe.org would be amethyst? or does it is now via redirect? Mar 26 16:13:11 redirect Mar 26 16:13:15 it's already amethyst iirc Mar 26 16:13:27 we still have no control over dns Mar 26 16:13:37 plan was to request that once the e.v. is in place Mar 26 16:13:49 it is amethyst, I was watching the cpu load before and its scary Mar 26 16:14:02 well, it's a quad core Mar 26 16:14:04 should be ok :) Mar 26 16:14:17 mickeyl: thankfully monotone isn't multithreaded ;-) Mar 26 16:14:18 anyways, mtn will fade out hopefully soon Mar 26 16:14:21 RP: hehe Mar 26 16:14:22 Is mtn server side actually multi-threaded? Mar 26 16:14:26 mickeyl: right :) Mar 26 16:14:29 broonie: nope Mar 26 16:14:37 broonie: thankfully ;-) Mar 26 16:14:43 broonie: or is 1 == multi? Mar 26 16:14:59 its not even multiuser :/ Mar 26 16:15:06 \o/ (well, depends on your views about the performance.) Mar 26 16:15:22 zecke: no Mar 26 16:15:42 broonie: Confining monotone to a single core is probably a good thing else it would take down the system Mar 26 16:17:05 heh Mar 26 16:19:05 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r1ba445df... 10/ (42 files in 3 dirs): qt/e: dropped 2.3.12 snapshot as I do not mirror it for quite long time Mar 26 16:25:07 RP: I have changed the oe_libinstall line to ${STAGE_TEMP} (from ${S}), and I was right it fails to install :) Mar 26 16:26:20 zecke: That doesn't surprise me Mar 26 16:26:37 RP: me neither, the logs will show that I predicted that :) Mar 26 17:15:57 bye guys Mar 26 17:30:27 XorA|gone: when do you think openmoko-qtopia-x11-image is fixed again? Mar 26 17:38:13 end of the month is here, so where's that hg or git repo? :) Mar 26 17:39:03 ynezz: what did you do to help forming a decision? Mar 26 17:39:23 i see no end of month Mar 26 17:39:29 still far away Mar 26 17:39:31 September never ends. Mar 26 17:39:34 :) Mar 26 17:39:49 zecke: well nothing, just wrote some email about git Mar 26 17:41:02 well i was just asking, because mtn repo seems down... Mar 26 17:42:24 the mirror at opensource.wolfsonmicro.com appears to be working fine FWIW. Mar 26 17:43:16 just switched to nslu2 one, but nice to know about another one Mar 26 17:43:44 morning all Mar 26 18:13:47 anyone up for shell magic? Mar 26 18:14:05 * mwester loves shell games Mar 26 18:14:42 find . -name modules.lai Mar 26 18:15:19 will give me a list of files foo/bla/.libs/modules.lai, with sed we can remove the .libs/ on every line Mar 26 18:15:37 now I have a couple of lines (array) and I want to pick the path that matches best... Mar 26 18:16:00 screw that... it is flawed Mar 26 18:18:27 zecke: I've always thought that was dangerous Mar 26 18:18:37 zecke: I've kept meaning to make it error on more than one match Mar 26 18:19:08 I have no clue about shell... Mar 26 18:19:42 `find | wc | cut` then error on -gt 1 ;-) Mar 26 18:20:31 I'd like to work out how your change resulted in a librbary in cross Mar 26 18:21:27 unless there are some differences between gcc in OM and gcc in OE.dev? Mar 26 18:23:05 no idea :) Mar 26 18:23:26 RP: I wonder if blaming my change is sound, but it probably was :) Mar 26 18:38:08 RP: so gcc-cross should have staged something bad? Mar 26 18:39:19 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8f2da070... 10/ (1 conf/machine/om-gta01.conf conf/machine/om-gta02.conf): om-gta*: add compat archs Mar 26 18:41:04 RP: thanks for the shell :) Mar 26 18:55:02 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3197ebcd... 10/ (1 packages/efl1/evas-native_cvs.bb): evas-native: fix staging of modules and engines, edje_cc doesn't OOM anymore on my machine Mar 26 18:55:08 03gwossum 07org.oe.dev * r1438a702... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Mar 26 18:55:08 gcc 4.2.1: Fix ICE that occurs with AVR32 gcc, especially when compiling OpenSSH. Mar 26 18:55:08 Mainly just applies patch for gcc pr32889. Mar 26 18:55:08 Since this ICE was first reported on the debian-gcc list Mar 26 18:55:09 (see http://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/2007/10/msg00306.html), and was Mar 26 18:55:11 actually report for the HPPA, this patch might be desireable for other Mar 26 18:55:13 architectures. This patch showed in mainline gcc 4.2.3 Mar 26 18:55:15 03gwossum 07org.oe.dev * raf62980a... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Mar 26 18:55:17 strace: update avr32 support Mar 26 18:55:19 This patch includes patches from Atmel's AVR32 buildroot 2.1.0. Mar 26 18:55:21 In fact, that's pretty much all it is. Mar 26 18:55:25 03gwossum 07org.oe.dev * r599433cb... 10/ (1 packages/uclibc/uclibc_0.9.29.bb): uclibc 0.9.29: Actually apply the uClibc-0.9.29 patch for the AVR32 bzero() issue Mar 26 19:16:41 mtn sync, block, cool Mar 26 19:23:56 zecke: so what does that bit of mtn magic do? Mar 26 19:24:40 hvontres|work: sync all my branches Mar 26 19:57:08 re Mar 26 19:59:30 hey flo_lap Mar 26 21:59:03 cyrilRomain: Thanks for that link to the cmake debian stuff... i can make packages now, not perfect but working. Mar 26 21:59:38 flo_lap: you welcome Mar 26 22:00:06 flo_lap: good to know anyway (I actually didn't know about debian packaging with cmake) Mar 26 22:03:20 cyrilRomain: The reworked include there is quite nice... even if it lacks some quite essential features like detection of the platform. Mar 26 22:30:50 03utx 07org.oe.dev * r574e65dc... 10/ (1 packages/popt/popt-1.13/iconv.patch): Mar 26 22:30:50 Fix glibc build of popt-1.13 Mar 26 22:30:50 * use AM_ICONV_LINK in iconv.patch Mar 26 22:40:14 BTW anyone has clue how to fix this error message when using nandwrite? 'MEMSETOOBSEL: Inappropriate ioctl for device' Mar 26 22:40:38 using 2.6.24 and mtd-utils from git Mar 26 22:40:50 google shows it's a mess Mar 26 23:01:31 woglinde_: I have fixed your popt patch to not break glibc builds. Please test that it works with uclibc. Mar 26 23:02:45 sbrabec_utx thanks didnt that such a macro exist Mar 26 23:02:51 +know Mar 26 23:02:53 woglinde_: Error: "know" is not a valid command. Mar 26 23:03:02 lol Mar 26 23:03:50 Me too, but the symbol you added directed me to macros in m4/ directory. Mar 26 23:04:11 woglinde_: This macro should properly detect, how to include libiconv. Mar 26 23:04:19 hm dont know why the popt people never test for other archs Mar 26 23:04:28 the last version was crappy too with uclibc Mar 26 23:05:31 According to m4/iconv.m4 separate libiconv exists only on OSF/1 (and uclibc). Mar 26 23:06:31 yes I read this after I saw your patch Mar 26 23:07:34 woglinde_: Well, now it does not break glibc builds. If it does not break uclibc, you can send it upstream. Mar 26 23:09:19 *g* you can send it too Mar 26 23:09:26 mom I will test it Mar 26 23:09:30 did you bump the pr? Mar 26 23:11:03 woglinde_: No. It's not needed. It should not make any difference for uclibc and did not built for glibc. Mar 26 23:11:56 woglinde_: I need confirmation, that it didn't break uclibc. I do not want to build the whole chain only to check it. Mar 26 23:13:15 args Mar 26 23:13:19 uclibc builds new Mar 26 23:20:27 sbrabec_utx it compiles Mar 26 23:22:34 woglinde_: OK. Thanks. Mar 26 23:26:13 nite Mar 26 23:26:54 morning Mar 26 23:27:14 good morning there Mar 26 23:28:28 sbrabec_utx: stanislav, your patches for sharp remote control should be committed for c7x0 too Mar 26 23:29:55 ant|work: I wrote additional patch (not yet in OE), which should support CE-RH1 on c7x0 and CE-RH2 on Akita (previous patch supported only CE-RH2 on Spitz). But nobody confirmed, that it works. Mar 26 23:30:03 xev was showing signs of life, did not check the keycodes yet Mar 26 23:30:15 sbrabec_utx: very few people have the remotes Mar 26 23:30:25 sbrabec_utx: too expensive, not cool enough :-) Mar 26 23:32:49 XorA: Yes, but at least not so bad headphones were bundled: http://www.penguin.cz/~utx/zaurus/photos#ce-rh2 Mar 26 23:34:02 sbrabec_utx: I only have a remote because it belongs to OE Mar 26 23:34:44 sbrabec_utx: atm linux-rp-2.6.24 is not so maniacally mantained anymore...in particular the c7x0 Mar 26 23:35:43 ant|work: XorA: I took CE-RH1 values from Sharp 2.4 patches, Akita part from docs. I don't have hardware docs for c7x0, so I cannot guarantee, that it works on c7x0. I can submit it as is and hope, that I will get a feedback. Mar 26 23:36:03 I suppose some patches are needed (when I tried yours I applied also the sharp mtd patch to c7x0) Mar 26 23:36:35 sbrabec_utx: best plan :-) Mar 26 23:36:46 * XorA sold his c7x0 Mar 26 23:37:28 I'll be glad to do more tests but in I'm waiting for two kernel changes: 1) initramfs stuff 2) do_deploy changes Mar 26 23:37:43 ant|work: I wrote two mtd patched - mtd-module - makes sense only if mtd is compiles as module. mtd partitioning - makes sense only on SL-C3200 and breaks SL-C3100 - rejected. Mar 26 23:38:45 sbrabec_utx: it looks like soon we'll need mtd and not mtdblock anymore... Mar 26 23:39:10 like linux-hh Mar 26 23:39:51 but that patch was given to my by hrw separately so yes, it applies to c7x0 too it seems Mar 26 23:40:11 partitioning is taboo here..he he Mar 26 23:40:35 ~seen thesing Mar 26 23:40:38 thesing was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 12d 23h 2m 50s ago, saying: 'gnight'. Mar 26 23:41:02 uh oh...klibc strikes again ! Mar 26 23:41:33 ant|work: Partitioning is defined in the initial part of the NAND, but AFAIK nobody yet reverse engineered the code of Sharp writerominfo. Mar 26 23:41:53 So anything we do now are blind guesses. Mar 26 23:42:03 sbrabec_utx: it looks like soon we'll need mtd and not mtdblock anymore... Mar 26 23:42:09 sbrabec_utx: sorry Mar 26 23:42:12 sbrabec_utx: http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=3361 Mar 26 23:45:28 ant|work: Does it work on devices with bad blocks in the NAND? Well, I tried the reverse - start Sharp ROM from kexec. It boots, but not finishes the boot. I don't know why. Mar 26 23:46:22 sbrabec_utx: I guess all devices have bad blocks Mar 26 23:48:02 sbrabec_utx: did you use the initramfs-kexec image? Mar 26 23:49:19 ant|work: No. I did not know, that Sharp ROM main image uses initramfs. Mar 26 23:49:58 ? I meant kexec from that uclibc initramfs reduced-kernel image Mar 26 23:50:26 Sharp ROM has normal initrd IIRC Mar 26 23:55:15 * ant|work finally fixed that nasty php bug on the server and can now go home... Mar 27 00:29:26 XorA: hey, I would argue on the score points. But you do not want to create a benchmark on SCMs. This will take years :) Mar 27 00:32:13 mtn: Fehler: SQLite-Fehler: database is locked.... Mar 27 00:32:23 I can't stand this crap Mar 27 00:33:51 zecke: I have done your reuest to move public the discussion, see incoming scorecard email Mar 27 00:34:16 zecke: multiuserness is a score I forgot to add so you can give mtn low Mar 27 00:34:27 XorA: thanks Mar 27 00:34:34 XorA: I tried to create a branch for two commits Mar 27 00:34:43 I'm pushing it now Mar 27 00:34:57 this will take days using my internet connection because mtn added certs to all revs Mar 27 00:35:04 zecke: creating branches isnt the problem, as you pointed out, merging them back is Mar 27 00:35:16 with git this would be a O(number of commits made by me) Mar 27 00:35:28 with mtn this O(number of commits made to the branch+yours) Mar 27 00:35:34 zecke: it doesnt actually transfer all the data it says, john did 14000 revs in about 30 secs Mar 27 00:35:37 which is a difference between seconds and hours Mar 27 00:35:58 it seems to look if rev is already in local before wasting network time Mar 27 00:36:32 mine sits add 189 and yes I'm on GPRS Mar 27 00:36:49 this means I can not do anything to my db while pushing, not querying for branch names, revs, diffs Mar 27 00:37:00 => a tool getting into my way Mar 27 00:37:15 and leave alone the lack of a git-rebase and gitk :) Mar 27 00:37:28 (i tried guitone the other day, don't get me started, and it is c++ and Qt4...) Mar 27 00:38:17 mtn: 327 | 4,6 M | 538/68.467 | 178/22.549 Mar 27 00:38:48 sure it is a bug it wants to upload certs and is uploading certs+revs, but it makes it unusable over slow network connections Mar 27 00:39:17 XorA: I would send patches, but my db is locked and uploading 4mb again is not an option :) Mar 27 00:40:00 zecke: Ill accept them by email :-) and please give a crap score to mtn for network syncing in scorecards Mar 27 00:41:10 XorA: I can't as the db is locked, even for read only operations :) Mar 27 00:41:48 XorA: and seriously if you have used git-rebase (I do at webkit, kernel, private things, to forward port nokia maemo gstreamer patches...) you will give it infinite number of points Mar 27 00:42:12 zecke: well then thats a positive Mar 27 00:42:40 zecke: my aim is to compare actual features if git ends up +1000 mtn +500 then its obvious what is sensible choice Mar 27 00:44:45 XorA: yes, but to do that you would need a benchmark. This is a +2 years research project. The second best thing is doing real work with a scm Mar 27 00:45:10 zecke: Ive done real work with both mtn and git Mar 27 00:45:19 zecke: and hopefully others have as well Mar 27 00:45:27 XorA: e.g. I have published branches for webkit in ICE train rides, it doesn't look like this will be possible with mtn in the next couple of years Mar 27 00:46:08 ok I missed a score publishing branches git 5 mtn 2 Mar 27 00:46:40 zecke: what kind of webkit branches? Mar 27 00:47:18 Philippe: we have this review policy, so whatever feature I create is in a branch on code.staikos.net Mar 27 00:47:45 zecke:Ah ok, like that. btw I wondered if I missed something but wanted to add error handling to be able to notify the user in case loading a website fails Mar 27 00:47:53 XorA: I have uploaded 25mb so far for ~20 lines of changes to publish them, how can this get 2 points? ;) Mar 27 00:48:20 it didnt upload that much info for a new branch here Mar 27 00:48:28 Philippe: hehe, there might be a signal in the WebFrame :) Mar 27 00:48:32 25M is painful in .tw as well Mar 27 00:49:13 XorA: and I'm paralyzed there. I can not browse the web, I can not play with the db :) Mar 27 00:49:39 zecke: thanks for the hint. Must have missed it. Will look at it tomorrow. Probably my laptop will still build webkit for a few hours. An 800 Mhz PIII does not cut it anymore these days Mar 27 00:50:40 XorA: And for ncc. Even if a merge might be like "mtn drop" I do not like the idea a tool forcing me to do this before a merge. So this dropping should be part of the merge and not be done before :) Mar 27 00:51:13 zecke: well hopefully koen will write the few lines of lua required for that Mar 27 00:51:38 zecke: hmmm serious about that? Sounds scary.... Dropping before merging... Mar 27 00:52:11 Philippe: well, this is the proposed work around. Which is not acceptable :) Mar 27 00:52:37 XorA: and we can not merge the two heads of the org.openembedded.entity branch :) Mar 27 00:52:55 (the odt changes) Mar 27 00:53:34 still uploading and waiting :) Mar 27 00:54:04 zecke: have you updated the OE webkit-gtk recipe btw? Mar 27 00:54:14 Philippe: koen did AFAIK Mar 27 00:54:20 Philippe: it is using autotools now Mar 27 00:54:41 zecke: ok great. I got it to work, but thought it was broken until I noticed the .pc file changed :) Mar 27 00:55:09 decided to follow #webkit-gtk now Mar 27 00:55:58 which reminds me to pester alp about my frameview/pagecache changes :) Mar 27 00:57:23 zecke: :) Mar 27 00:58:43 well glad my irc/internet works again. Now I just need to drag my trusty build station up here and start working again. But first some sleep. Mar 27 00:58:53 Goodnight/morning/noon people! Mar 27 01:00:33 sorry, X crashed... Mar 27 01:00:59 wow and the server threw my changes away... Mar 27 01:01:14 another 23mb of uploads needed Mar 27 01:01:22 and then another 40 to be done Mar 27 01:01:36 XorA: you are kidding on the two points for mtn? Mar 27 01:01:56 XorA: what is the equivalent of git-format-patch for monotone? Mar 27 01:21:11 'night all Mar 27 01:21:15 anyone knows how to get the current revision of the workspace? (without using cat on the _MTN dir)? Mar 27 01:56:58 zecke: git describe ? ;-) Mar 27 02:35:23 morning Mar 27 02:37:01 XorA: morning :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 27 02:59:57 2008