**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 20 02:59:56 2008 Jul 20 08:44:18 hi. Jul 20 08:44:58 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rcb463e31... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Jul 20 08:44:58 ffmpeg: bump SRCREV Jul 20 08:44:58 omapfbplay: bump SRCREV Jul 20 08:45:44 what to do if makefile has /sbin/depmod -a in it? It goes into host /lib/ directory Jul 20 08:46:05 I commented out for building but is there solution? Jul 20 08:56:19 any howto recompiling kernel? need to clean some stamps dir? Jul 20 09:12:30 mwester: one small question. did you see the RFC for release policy? do you think setting DISTRO_TYPE to release is fixing the issue? Jul 20 09:18:32 morning all Jul 20 09:18:37 zecke: How's the head? :) Jul 20 09:20:19 RP: wasn't too much drinking... it was just drink + 4am to not reply.. I think I replied? Jul 20 09:20:46 RP: I wanted to work on the mtn2git script today... instead I have to deal with hijacked ml threads... Jul 20 09:21:19 zecke: yes, thanks :) Jul 20 09:21:35 zecke: hijacked ml threads aren't fun... Jul 20 09:28:31 Hi! I have a problem configuring uClibc. I created a machine-specific uClibc.machine file, but it's only picking up the blank files/uClibc.machine from the uClibc package itself. (causing gcc to exit with "cross compile badness: /usr/include in include_path") Jul 20 09:28:40 Now this probably won't work at all, because I have all my customizations in an overlay. (So i have a local/packages/uclibc/uclibc-0.9.29/mymachine/uClibc.machine, but nothing else beneath local/packages/uclibc/) But I can't even see where in the uclibc bitbake file it's including the machine-specific stuff? Jul 20 09:30:41 pb__: master? Jul 20 09:34:28 I attempt to buy post cards now... Jul 20 10:05:04 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r5eac8d04... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): frameworkd: add configuration for magician Jul 20 10:11:05 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r02c9982e... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-neuros_git.bb): linux neuros: bump SRCREV Jul 20 10:42:15 hi Jul 20 11:50:29 ~lart pulseaudio-author for not understanding AM_ICONV and libtool Jul 20 11:50:29 * ibot holds pulseaudio-author to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails for not understanding AM_ICONV and libtool Jul 20 12:26:05 * * OE Bug 4391 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by heinold(AT)inf.fu-berlin.de Jul 20 12:26:07 * * speech-dispatcher - 0.6.6 - r0 fails do_configure Jul 20 12:26:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4391 Jul 20 12:27:30 03woglinde2 07org.oe.dev * r2a741770... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Jul 20 12:27:30 pulseaudio: fix libtool linking Jul 20 12:27:30 * pulseaudio authoir did not understand AM_ICONV and what $(LTLIBICONV) Jul 20 12:27:30 and $(LIBICONV) are for, problem accurs under uclibc Jul 20 12:27:30 * add patch which fixes the issue Jul 20 12:27:31 * bum PR Jul 20 12:27:34 03woglinde2 07org.oe.dev * rbd40bda8... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Jul 20 12:27:35 speech-dispatcher: fix configure.in for c++ Jul 20 12:27:39 * we have a little patch that has support for espeak Jul 20 12:27:41 * the autoconf macros AC_LANG_PUSH/POP is used with c++, but it is not Jul 20 12:27:43 checked if c++ is available Jul 20 12:27:45 * tweak configure_fix.patch to support this Jul 20 12:27:47 * bug 4391 was reported by ant and is fixed now Jul 20 12:30:58 woglinde: did you send a patch upstream? Jul 20 13:02:40 bonjour Jul 20 13:20:56 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * re73a2505... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): dfu-util-native: link to the last built dfu-util Jul 20 14:10:48 hey Laibsch , do you tried that : http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1647 ? Jul 20 14:11:38 useful with evince Jul 20 14:13:13 i've changed 2 times of job since , i can't help now on this bug ( and bug 1613 ) :/ Jul 20 14:42:52 video from robocup :) http://www.bredobrothers.de/_media/spiel2_bredo-cerberus_firstgoal.wmv Jul 20 14:51:43 Genesis hehe Jul 20 14:51:54 true goal this time :) Jul 20 14:52:19 i hope i can show you synchronized dance soon Jul 20 14:53:15 kinda sucky keeper tho Jul 20 14:53:17 ;) Jul 20 14:53:59 2004 was my robocup time Jul 20 14:55:37 i hope i'll participate to a robot competition one day Jul 20 14:55:50 next year with some friend perharps Jul 20 14:56:51 robocup is so yesterday (but the humanoids are improving a lot... they can even stand now) Jul 20 14:57:05 hehe Jul 20 14:57:38 so let me see the heise article about the finals Jul 20 15:01:14 i'll try to commit some new package tomorrow Jul 20 15:06:30 perharps no one will be able to test them since it require specific hardware Jul 20 15:06:38 hehe Jul 20 15:07:24 perharps core team should bye our bot :)) Jul 20 15:07:38 s/bye/buy Jul 20 15:08:42 genesis I can not download the video Jul 20 15:09:04 weird Jul 20 15:12:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGwmo9Sdfls Jul 20 15:13:28 it's hard for it lol Jul 20 15:21:25 i wonder if some people work with OE on critical embedded system Jul 20 15:23:51 yes they do, I'm currently using it in a critical system :-) Jul 20 15:24:20 svolpe, : do you use molnar RT patchs|sources ? Jul 20 15:25:24 Genesis, we had too many concerns regarding our hard real time requirements so we added in a small dsp that is controlled by our Linux system. The dsp does all the RT functionallit. Jul 20 15:25:46 interessting Jul 20 15:25:57 i'm working on next hardware plateform Jul 20 15:25:58 Genesis, it has really worked out well. Jul 20 15:26:23 we're thinking about let an ARM9 do the RT stuff Jul 20 15:26:53 a little one , as a sam perharps ... Jul 20 15:27:15 svolpe, : which product ? Jul 20 15:27:39 Genesis, I just started using the SAM in another product but that product has no RT requirements. Jul 20 15:28:10 work great ? with OS or without ? Jul 20 15:28:46 Genesis, Unfortunetly I can not say the product until we are finished. Jul 20 15:29:01 oki Jul 20 15:29:15 perharps a competitor :x Jul 20 15:30:38 lol Jul 20 15:30:47 Genesis, I like the SAM although it is still very early on. I'm just using the Olimex evel board, which by the way is a nice eval board and I plan to push support for it (machine file, kernel) to OE in the next couple of days. Jul 20 15:30:54 i'm happy to see more products based on OE than a phone/handhelds/gateway ... Jul 20 15:31:12 great svolpe :) Jul 20 15:32:14 Genesis, we have been real happy with OE. Jul 20 15:33:15 Genesis, I hope to in the near future do a small write-up on how we used OE and how we implemented it into our system, software control, backing everything up, making a rebuild repeatable.. so on. Jul 20 15:33:31 svolpe, that would be great! Jul 20 15:33:34 i hope i could push something before my retreat , but i manage an overlay at firm :) Jul 20 15:33:37 Genesis, all the boring business stuff that you need to do. Jul 20 15:33:46 i promoted it on french RMLL Jul 20 15:33:46 :) Jul 20 15:34:11 svolpe, : i hope i could provide a TRUE way to become a OE contributor Jul 20 15:34:55 next week i should work on nonfree package policy Jul 20 15:38:17 Genesis, what do you mean by a true way to become an OE contributor? Jul 20 15:38:49 i try to complete this page http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/New_Dev Jul 20 15:38:52 writed by Laibsch Jul 20 15:39:13 Genesis, ah, yes I saw that page. Jul 20 15:39:54 that doesn't work , Laibsch himself answer it's a trusted group Jul 20 15:40:01 source http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded Jul 20 15:40:08 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded/18886 Jul 20 15:41:48 i have no pb to pass for a boring people if that can help other people in the same case of me. Jul 20 15:43:53 at sagem for example they cannot "bug people from time to time" because they have not easy access to internet Jul 20 15:48:02 Crofton, I would really like to put together a wiki in general on productization using OE. Mainly to help others but also to get feedback from everyone on how I did it my self. I'm sure there are better ways and approaches on some of the things I did, but as it is in most projects I had to do it quickly. Jul 20 15:48:14 heh Jul 20 15:48:22 yeah, that infor would be really good Jul 20 15:57:14 Crofton, I guess http://wiki.openembedded.net would be the best place to put it. I will start messing around with it this week. It will probably just be notes and comments at first but at least I will start getting some things down to get feedback. I will start a new section under Developers. Jul 20 15:58:45 What need a place for pages under development Jul 20 15:59:14 did you mean s/what/we Jul 20 15:59:30 yeah Jul 20 15:59:37 something like that :) Jul 20 16:00:08 Crofton I was just going to put a disclaimer, I think it is good to have visability even if it is under development as long as you say it is underdevelopment and very volitile. Jul 20 16:00:18 exactly Jul 20 16:00:44 it is also nice to know where the pages that need work are Jul 20 16:01:03 Hopefully the wiki team has some ideas how to do QA on pages Jul 20 16:01:08 yes, true. Jul 20 16:01:43 the main reason I have not done a write-up yet is I'm far from being an expert on the subject. However there is not one out there and I have done it, so I would like to get the ball rolling. Jul 20 16:02:01 but you have been through the process Jul 20 16:02:08 that is valuable knowledge Jul 20 16:02:16 bad wording.. I mean there is not a write-up out there, not that there is not an expert out there :-) Jul 20 16:04:49 yes and I'm going to go through it again someday so hopefully by then we can all have documented an ironed out a good approach. Jul 20 16:06:18 Crofton, so you thing just writing a paragraph at the top saying the state of the wiki page is good enough, or should I make a pages under construction link? Jul 20 16:06:45 svolpe, really a question for the wiki team Jul 20 16:06:54 Laibsch, might have a suggestions Jul 20 16:07:45 Crofton, I'll post it to the news group. Jul 20 16:09:06 thanks Jul 20 16:34:58 Genesis: What is your issue with the New_Dev page? The page is meant for people who were already accepted for rw, it has nothing to do with the process of being accepted for rw. The page (like many other wiki pages) is also a work-in-progress. feel free to correct mistakes or add enhancements Jul 20 16:35:09 Crofton, svolpe: thank you for the question Jul 20 16:35:49 We are qa'ing at the moment mostly for spam and obviously incorrect content (I still take a look at all changes) Jul 20 16:36:09 I suggest you use the talk pages if you don't feel like putting up something right out Jul 20 16:37:08 svolpe: What do you expect to write? a page about how you used OE, IOW a testimonial, a case? or some kind of howto for a problem you solved? Jul 20 16:37:24 Laibsch, I planned on trying to put something right out but I will not be able to sit down and write the entire thing and get it correct in the first cut. I wanted to write it a little at a time. Jul 20 16:37:37 Laibsch, more like a how-to using my experiance. Jul 20 16:37:47 oki Laibsch Jul 20 16:38:01 Laibsch, however I'm sure others will have much feedback and will cause the howto to change quite a bit. Jul 20 16:38:06 i added the mail ... Jul 20 16:41:42 Laibsch, maybe the better approach is to write it in an email and post it letting others to reply back and comment and then once it is somewhat mature add it to the wiki. Jul 20 16:41:54 I leave that up to you Jul 20 16:42:01 but I think thewiki itself would be fine Jul 20 16:42:08 Laibsch, where is the good place to make a topic on how OE team process for recruitement ? Jul 20 16:42:22 svolpe: What is it you'll writing about? Jul 20 16:42:51 i never works so much time that on OE ... 18 month full time Jul 20 16:43:10 Genesis: no recruitment process :) Jul 20 16:43:12 Genesis: you have suggestions on how we accept people for rw access? Jul 20 16:43:22 just as zecke said ;-) Jul 20 16:43:25 Genesis: send patches, get them in, get rw access, grow :) Jul 20 16:43:27 Laibsch, how to use OE in a typical comercial design process. Jul 20 16:43:32 So, it will be hard making suggestions Jul 20 16:43:37 so it's simple , i'll wrote their is no recruitement process Jul 20 16:43:53 Genesis: from you it sounds different Jul 20 16:43:55 i'm not judging you , i just want to clarify thing. Jul 20 16:43:56 Genesis: hehe, the usual freesoftware self selected process Jul 20 16:44:25 Genesis: one has an itch and starts to scratch, so we have to make sure there are enough itches :) Jul 20 16:44:43 my recipes have been commited Jul 20 16:44:50 i don't think i do bad job Jul 20 16:45:18 Genesis: let's ask the other way round Jul 20 16:45:31 do you have a lot of stuff in your pipeline you want to commit? Jul 20 16:45:49 IOW, why do you need rw? What is it you want to do but can't? Jul 20 16:45:58 that depends of next discussion about nonfree packaging Jul 20 16:46:11 i don't say i've a LOT of commit , tthat's not true Jul 20 16:46:25 but i'd like machine maitener for our product Jul 20 16:47:33 i've an overlay but when i've configuration file, for example busybox Jul 20 16:48:13 i need copy the package directory in my overlay , same for kernel etc Jul 20 16:49:51 i think our customers would be happy to have their machin supported in the OE mainstream Jul 20 16:50:25 understood Jul 20 16:50:27 i could say my boss 'now we're in the stream, we should work closely with them" Jul 20 16:50:36 i could say i'm in the project Jul 20 16:50:58 i saw my bug report this day Jul 20 16:51:05 New recipe - AGG 2.5 [ antigrain geometry ] 1464 2006-10-10 2006-10-10 commited Jul 20 16:51:11 Improved firefox_1.0.7.bb 1612 2006-11-23 2008-02-21 commited Jul 20 16:51:19 mplayerplug-in_3.31.bb 1613 2006-11-23 2008-05-03 new Jul 20 16:51:31 New recipe - mozplugger 1.7.3 1647 2006-12-04 no yet new Jul 20 16:51:31 Improved autotools.patch for zlib-1.2.3 1676 2006-12-12 2007-11-02 commited Jul 20 16:51:32 etc Jul 20 16:51:33 ~pastebin Jul 20 16:51:34 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Jul 20 16:51:44 yeap i've finish , not so much lines... Jul 20 16:52:03 3 out of 4 committed? Jul 20 16:52:13 looks rather above average to me Jul 20 16:52:25 many people have to wait much longer Jul 20 16:52:37 i don't know that Jul 20 16:52:38 :( Jul 20 16:52:50 and rw for a single-digit number of commits makes no sense for OE as a project IMHO Jul 20 16:53:05 Really, this is just my opinion on the subject Jul 20 16:53:09 perharps i don't know Jul 20 16:53:24 i'll see linux machine with only 7 packages Jul 20 16:53:27 for meteo station Jul 20 16:53:35 so this people will never have Rw Jul 20 16:53:43 critical systeme maintener will never have RW ? Jul 20 16:53:53 quantity is not qualitt Jul 20 16:53:56 +y Jul 20 16:53:57 I'm glad you can do product work with OE, withough needing to make a lot of submissions :) Jul 20 16:54:15 of course :) Jul 20 16:54:18 it's easier now Jul 20 16:54:28 that last year it's true , thanks for that. Jul 20 16:56:08 Crofton|work, : what do you do with recipe you cannot test because you've not the hardware ? Jul 20 16:56:35 svolpe: I think we should try and have a whole category with pages just like yours Jul 20 16:56:45 examples of using OE for X, Y and Z Jul 20 16:57:03 Laibsch, I think that is a good idea. Jul 20 16:57:11 I am trying to come up with a good (and short) name for it so I can include it in the main navigation Jul 20 16:57:21 "case discussion" Jul 20 16:57:26 case is good Jul 20 16:57:30 discussion sucks Jul 20 16:57:33 use case Jul 20 16:57:39 I didn't follow the discussion. But everyone has rw on their repo already, I hope with git we can have a free for all repo where people can push... so we only need to cherry-pick changes from there Jul 20 16:57:40 both too long and sounds strange Jul 20 16:57:53 Genesis: case alone does not convey enough of what it is Jul 20 16:58:00 Genesis, check for style and make sure it builds Jul 20 16:58:05 oki Jul 20 16:58:58 Case stories Jul 20 16:59:21 Sucess stories ? Jul 20 16:59:40 Case implementations? Jul 20 17:01:45 Laibsch, : is there a page that list user page ( mine http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/User:Ronan ) Jul 20 17:01:47 ? Jul 20 17:01:54 i didn't find it Jul 20 17:02:56 we can create one and let people add themselve to it :) Jul 20 17:05:12 Genesis: mediawiki offers http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Special:Listusers Jul 20 17:06:01 thanks Jul 20 17:16:06 svolpe: I just created http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Category:Realworld_examples Jul 20 17:16:18 You can create new pages and add them to the category Jul 20 17:16:45 or you can use the talk page of the category to slowly develop your page first before separating it out Jul 20 17:18:54 Laibsch, thank you. Jul 20 17:27:21 you're very welcome Jul 20 21:00:06 * * OE Bug 4443 has been RESOLVED (INVALID) by ulfs(AT)dof.se Jul 20 21:00:08 * * openssl break "gpe-image" build for AVR32 Jul 20 21:00:10 * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4443 Jul 20 21:04:15 re flo Jul 20 21:06:17 03woglinde2 07org.oe.dev * r377e4d7b... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Jul 20 21:06:17 alsa-oss: fix stdioemu.c for uclibc Jul 20 21:06:17 *on none glibc systems libio.h is not there and FILE._fileno is not defined Jul 20 21:06:17 *on uclibc _fileno is _filedes Jul 20 21:06:17 *provide autoconf magic which check for structure Jul 20 21:06:18 *bump PR Jul 20 21:09:30 yuck directly accessing FILE Jul 20 21:30:48 jilles *g* Jul 20 21:30:53 old code from 2000 Jul 20 21:34:54 the fileno macro is provided to access a FILE's file descriptor Jul 20 21:38:49 hm Jul 20 21:55:31 he diego Jul 20 21:55:36 I am looking at apr now Jul 20 22:04:07 * * OE Bug 4446 has been created by tkemp(AT)klc.net.nz Jul 20 22:04:09 * * bb recipe for libdmtx - 2D barcode reader / writer Jul 20 22:04:11 * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4446 Jul 20 22:09:34 woglinde, thanks :) Jul 20 22:09:45 goodnight everybody Jul 20 22:12:15 hm update to 1.3.2 Jul 20 22:12:15 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r30824731... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-openmoko-devel git compile ext2fs into kernel to ease booting from SD Jul 20 22:12:20 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rcb5719fd... 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): u-boot-openmoko * remove deprecated svn versions, add git versions Jul 20 22:12:25 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r208f1ed9... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): u-boot-openmoko * refactor into .inc file and update sane-srcrevs Jul 20 22:38:24 I would like to add support to the Linux_2.6.25.bb for a new machine. The change is low risk, and just involves adding the following: Jul 20 22:38:28 SRC_URI_append_at91-l9260 = " \ Jul 20 22:38:28 httSRC_URI_append_at91-l9260 = " \ Jul 20 22:38:28 http://maxim.org.za/AT91RM9200/2.6/2.6.25-at91.patch.gz;patch=1 \ Jul 20 22:38:28 " Jul 20 22:38:28 p://maxim.org.za/AT91RM9200/2.6/2.6.25-at91.patch.gz;patch=1 \ Jul 20 22:38:29 " Jul 20 22:38:47 opps minus the last two lines. Jul 20 22:39:34 I'm assuming since it is isolated from everything else by SRC_URI_append_at91-l9260 and will not effect anything else It should be ok for me to push it with out getting approval first :-) Jul 20 22:40:14 normally I just push simple changes but since this does effect a file probably used by a lot of machines I wanted to check first. Jul 20 22:41:02 well I gues every thing I posted got scrambled for some reason.. Jul 20 22:41:56 anyway the syntax is right, I'm just adding a patch for a new board using SRC_URI. sorry for all the mistakes I'm running low on sleep right now :-/ Jul 20 22:44:29 if you are maintainer for the machine I think you should be OK Jul 20 22:44:36 If not, talk to the maintainer Jul 20 22:58:06 ahh, computer crashed so I missed if anyone repied. Jul 20 23:00:28 although I doubt it since it was so poorly worded.. Iĺl post it again after I get some sleep :/ Jul 20 23:00:31 nite Jul 20 23:33:57 bye **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 21 00:49:46 2008 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 21 02:59:56 2008