**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 04 02:59:57 2008 Dec 04 03:00:14 aw the phone i wanted to buy is not supported :( Dec 04 03:01:04 now is a little complicated thing take a phone with WM to put linux inside.. Dec 04 03:01:12 motorolas maybe.. Dec 04 03:01:31 or maybe G1 is the best option Dec 04 03:01:41 g1 is cracke Dec 04 03:01:44 d Dec 04 03:01:54 what you mean? Dec 04 03:01:54 they will or have already plugged the hole Dec 04 03:01:59 what do you mean? Dec 04 03:02:09 im talkin gabout the root explot Dec 04 03:02:15 on the g1 phone Dec 04 03:02:17 oh... Dec 04 03:02:26 which lets you install linux(debian) on it Dec 04 03:02:52 wow.. i dont know nothing abut that ^^ Dec 04 03:02:55 im looking to buy a pda+gsm device running linux Dec 04 03:03:07 neorunner ^^ Dec 04 03:03:11 a person from openmoko told me you guys Dec 04 03:03:23 yea, but i will have to wait for the new version Dec 04 03:03:36 with keyboard maybe? Dec 04 03:03:50 yeah i would like/need a qwerty Dec 04 03:03:52 cos i wanna code on it Dec 04 03:03:59 sure.. Dec 04 03:04:02 thats why ive been looking at these HP ones Dec 04 03:04:10 they seem supported but only the old ones Dec 04 03:04:15 asfar as i cna see Dec 04 03:04:24 i would love to have a smartphone i can run apt-get on Dec 04 03:04:54 i was take htc universal of second hand.. by 150€ on ebay, and i have the wole debian inside but the wifi is crapping.-.- Dec 04 03:05:49 we are stoped with 2.6.21hh20 kernel and the wifi dont work at all.. Dec 04 03:05:59 kinda annoying there aint anything around that is worth buying(as far as ive seen) Dec 04 03:06:00 http://www.hardwaregeeks.com/index.php/gadgetblog/comments/review_hp_ipaq_910_business_messenger/ Dec 04 03:06:00 this one seemed great Dec 04 03:06:00 i would really like that one if i could run mutt on it Dec 04 03:06:26 universal looks kinda weak though Dec 04 03:07:14 the uni is a great machine and with the extended battery is a small laptop ^^ Dec 04 03:07:44 ALoGeNo: how much ram does it have? Dec 04 03:07:50 but a few ppl is involved in the project rigth now.. :/ Dec 04 03:07:53 how extended? Dec 04 03:08:10 64MB but you can upgrade it over internet.. Dec 04 03:08:15 the ram? Dec 04 03:08:25 upgrade over the internet? Dec 04 03:08:29 mmm.. Dec 04 03:08:40 how do you mean? buy new ram? Dec 04 03:08:48 how much can it be upgraded Dec 04 03:08:52 you can send it to upgrade, you have some webs that can do the work.. Dec 04 03:08:59 128MB Dec 04 03:09:05 sorry for my english ^^ Dec 04 03:09:10 :) its ok Dec 04 03:09:22 what about the harddrive? Dec 04 03:09:45 oh you can pu sd cards SDHC without problems Dec 04 03:09:50 how big? Dec 04 03:10:17 i was read about 8GB and 16GB i remember.. Dec 04 03:10:23 im not sure.. Dec 04 03:10:31 maybe 32GB too Dec 04 03:10:35 wow Dec 04 03:10:39 seriously? Dec 04 03:10:42 yep Dec 04 03:10:53 and you can use it as a normal phone? Dec 04 03:10:57 yep Dec 04 03:11:00 simcard? Dec 04 03:11:12 now is running with debian and titchy linux phone part Dec 04 03:11:29 and its working fine? Dec 04 03:11:44 could you run mutt on it? Dec 04 03:11:50 and wyrd? Dec 04 03:11:56 yes, BT IRDA and WIFI, but wifi is gone out some times.. Dec 04 03:12:02 i mean is it too small to code on? Dec 04 03:12:08 i wanna buy a machine to code on Dec 04 03:12:25 i think that you can code in the uni without problems.. Dec 04 03:12:34 640x480 screen.. Dec 04 03:12:43 yeah i just saw that Dec 04 03:12:47 good resolution Dec 04 03:12:51 yep.. Dec 04 03:12:51 good for text editor Dec 04 03:13:15 im usin KDE ( a little slow..) and icewm without problems.. Dec 04 03:13:34 http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128MBRAM Dec 04 03:13:43 i would only use text terminal Dec 04 03:13:51 thats all i need Dec 04 03:13:56 and to be able to surf Dec 04 03:14:05 i told you the only one problem is the acx module , wifi hangs some times.. but all the rest is working like a charm. Dec 04 03:14:23 hmm Dec 04 03:14:31 i mean sure kde is slow Dec 04 03:14:41 its a desktop environment running on a phone/pda Dec 04 03:14:44 ^^ Dec 04 03:15:09 and of course.. you can run any distro like GPE, POKY, MAMONA, QTOPIA, OPIE, and that.. Dec 04 03:15:39 hmm, is this the phone with bestsupport+hardware around? Dec 04 03:15:49 yeah is a little slow but isnt bad at all (i have 64MB ram only hehe) Dec 04 03:16:03 but with icewm run like a devil.. Dec 04 03:16:19 if i would get it i would order it with 128 ram and a good disk off ebay or whatever Dec 04 03:16:43 the phone part of the uni works fine.., less the SMS that still in development.. (i think) Dec 04 03:16:53 i really really want a phone running linux, and the openmoko is not good for coding Dec 04 03:17:13 wait.. Dec 04 03:17:30 http://sumoudou.org/index.php?cmd=%E7%9B%B8%E6%92%B2%E5%A4%96%EF%BC%9AInstalling%20Debian%20GNU/Linux%20on%20the%20Universal Dec 04 03:18:56 thats great Dec 04 03:19:02 http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Linux Dec 04 03:19:35 On the HTC Universal, the cameras are not supported Dec 04 03:19:42 ;( Dec 04 03:19:44 nope. Dec 04 03:20:02 not at all? Dec 04 03:20:05 but you can run the camera from WM Dec 04 03:20:06 Xd Dec 04 03:20:12 ? Dec 04 03:20:13 WM? Dec 04 03:20:18 windows mobile.. Dec 04 03:20:23 oh Dec 04 03:20:27 so you would reboot Dec 04 03:20:34 yep Dec 04 03:20:41 yeah thats ok. how long is the reboot time? Dec 04 03:20:56 but you have boot SO, WM and linux, you run linux with haret.. Dec 04 03:21:16 30seg more or less.. Dec 04 03:21:28 that is ok Dec 04 03:21:35 maybe 60 Dec 04 03:21:40 if you really want to take a picture i mean Dec 04 03:21:55 that i think of depends of that you have installed in WM Dec 04 03:22:00 i have a nokia n95-8gb now, it has a 5mp camera Dec 04 03:22:06 but runs symbian :( Dec 04 03:22:07 hehe nice machine Dec 04 03:22:19 yes but i do not like symbian at all Dec 04 03:22:29 yes, i know, in the past i have the 9210 ^^ Dec 04 03:22:36 i would rather sell it and buy a new phone Dec 04 03:22:37 and later 6600 Dec 04 03:22:52 symbian is ok, but not good Dec 04 03:23:00 nope many virus xD Dec 04 03:23:04 heheh Dec 04 03:23:05 yea Dec 04 03:23:22 but isnt bad at all ^^ Dec 04 03:23:29 its very slow Dec 04 03:23:30 the menus Dec 04 03:23:39 its has very good hardware Dec 04 03:23:51 5mp camera stuff like that, 8gb flash disk Dec 04 03:23:55 yep is a little crap, wm with a 200Mhz runs much more better Dec 04 03:24:06 but i would change all that for qwerty+debian Dec 04 03:24:26 qwerty is important Dec 04 03:24:28 you need a good screen.. Dec 04 03:24:32 yes that too Dec 04 03:24:40 640x480 is crazy good Dec 04 03:24:52 640x480 its ok, less is too small :/ Dec 04 03:25:04 i like small Dec 04 03:25:10 symbian is too big Dec 04 03:25:17 very large text Dec 04 03:26:06 hey and n810? Dec 04 03:26:38 locked down version of linux :( Dec 04 03:26:40 maemo Dec 04 03:26:43 or something Dec 04 03:26:52 its very locked down, (no root) etc Dec 04 03:26:52 i cant remember but i think that you can put debian in that.. Dec 04 03:27:05 ohh... Dec 04 03:28:53 and its not a phone is it? Dec 04 03:28:59 does it have gsM? Dec 04 03:29:50 i'll tell you that buy the htc uni but the project is a little slow, and i dont know what will happend with uni in the future.. (with the kernel i mean.. becose the debian is debian arm and that still there for ever i think xD)) Dec 04 03:30:38 yes the htc uni is a 3G phone, and i dunno 3G but gsm works perfectrly in debian with de uni Dec 04 03:31:05 it will be hard to find the phone with the ram upgraded Dec 04 03:31:18 hehe yes Dec 04 03:31:30 doing it myself would normally be ok, but im not sure i would wnat to buy a phone hack it and then use it Dec 04 03:31:41 if i was using it then wanted to hack it, it would be different Dec 04 03:32:01 becose who upgrade the uni with 128MB have the best machine running debian in the palm of the hand.. (or whatever xD) Dec 04 03:32:19 is this the best hardware machine running debian? Dec 04 03:32:26 are there no other ones? Dec 04 03:32:33 i mean with good hardware Dec 04 03:32:44 hum... maybe but not more cheaper.. Dec 04 03:32:44 i know there are older phones that run debian Dec 04 03:32:52 well cheaper is not a big problem Dec 04 03:32:58 i need it for work Dec 04 03:33:08 then you can but some zaurus or that.. Dec 04 03:33:19 zaurus does not have gsm Dec 04 03:33:22 buy* Dec 04 03:33:32 oh Dec 04 03:33:46 its for work so i need gsm/3g Dec 04 03:33:57 then ... you can get htc shift 7" Dec 04 03:34:11 hmm Dec 04 03:34:15 but then you can get too asus eeepc ^^ Dec 04 03:34:16 doews it run linux? Dec 04 03:34:24 eeepc is a pc Dec 04 03:34:28 i need a phone Dec 04 03:34:42 yes i think that yes.., it comes with vista inside.. Dec 04 03:34:49 htc shift is not a phone rither Dec 04 03:34:55 i mean htc shift Dec 04 03:35:05 yesyes.. it is.. Dec 04 03:35:07 is htc shift a phone? Dec 04 03:35:12 yep! Dec 04 03:35:14 does it run linux? Dec 04 03:35:21 i think.. Dec 04 03:35:29 if it does i would get it Dec 04 03:36:44 thats gonna be expensive Dec 04 03:36:56 yes i think that it has phone, and run linux, like a normal pc.. Dec 04 03:37:14 ?!?!? its x84? Dec 04 03:37:15 hehe very spensive.. ;) Dec 04 03:37:19 no its cant be Dec 04 03:37:26 x84* Dec 04 03:37:29 ? Dec 04 03:37:33 x86? Dec 04 03:37:48 yes haha i am eating i prssed wrong Dec 04 03:39:19 is that really a phone? its veeeeeery big Dec 04 03:40:27 yes it is a phone Dec 04 03:40:28 XD Dec 04 03:40:39 look for htc x9500 Dec 04 03:40:41 its very very big Dec 04 03:40:46 7" ^^ Dec 04 03:41:09 are you sure these run linux/ Dec 04 03:41:19 if they do i will get one of these Dec 04 03:41:37 ask to google if you dont belebe me Dec 04 03:41:41 or whatever Dec 04 03:41:41 xD Dec 04 03:41:51 could you send me a url? Dec 04 03:42:07 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il4MY3ypm3E Dec 04 03:42:08 many spam.. Dec 04 03:42:15 its not a phone you cant use it like a phone Dec 04 03:42:22 im looking about 5min.. Dec 04 03:42:26 atleast not without a headset Dec 04 03:42:43 The HTC Shift is the ultimate UMPC. The built in quad-band GSM antenna ensures you've always got cell phone reception for internet browsing, and the tri-band 3G/HSDPA keeps you online at broadband speeds everywhere in the world. With a 40GB hard drive, Dec 04 03:43:37 you cant have it in your pants Dec 04 03:44:01 i think i need something a bit smaller Dec 04 03:44:06 i have a X61t Dec 04 03:44:55 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381915 Dec 04 03:45:40 :O Dec 04 03:45:41 wow Dec 04 03:46:06 maybe htc athena Dec 04 03:46:14 5" screen Dec 04 03:46:58 its too big though Dec 04 03:47:03 i would need something smaller Dec 04 03:47:29 http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Athena Dec 04 03:47:44 man you need htc universal Dec 04 03:47:45 XD Dec 04 03:48:19 hey Dec 04 03:48:21 athena looks good Dec 04 03:48:30 how big is that one Dec 04 03:48:31 hmm Dec 04 03:48:41 wonder if it runs linux Dec 04 03:48:46 but linux is work in progress Dec 04 03:49:01 you can run android Dec 04 03:49:15 wow Dec 04 03:49:20 that one was waaay cool Dec 04 03:49:22 but i dont know if you do the same with debian Dec 04 03:49:25 with the notepad thing Dec 04 03:49:27 cover Dec 04 03:49:30 maaan thats hot Dec 04 03:49:36 yep Dec 04 03:49:40 keyboard seperation Dec 04 03:49:46 thats not too big Dec 04 03:49:54 its big though# Dec 04 03:50:09 camerta too ? :O Dec 04 03:50:20 why are all the windows machines so cool :( Dec 04 03:50:20 and it cost the 800$ less than shift that cost 1400$ Dec 04 03:50:21 XD Dec 04 03:50:30 yeah and its alot smaller Dec 04 03:50:35 but linux support is not so good i think Dec 04 03:50:40 nope Dec 04 03:50:56 i told you.. the think is very compicated ^^ Dec 04 03:51:22 and now the ppl is migrating kernels and that is a bad think.. Dec 04 03:51:27 thing* Dec 04 03:52:22 migrating to new kernels Dec 04 03:52:26 if you dont have money probems you can buy htc universal over 100 or 150€ on ebay.. Dec 04 03:52:32 yep Dec 04 03:52:41 khem ? Dec 04 03:52:45 htc universal is good but not good enough, Dec 04 03:53:05 i need more ram and harddrive, if i could find it with 128ram perhaps, i will look into it though Dec 04 03:53:07 and if you dont wnanna use the xwindow server you dont need 120MB of ram ^^ Dec 04 03:53:18 128* Dec 04 03:53:22 well i might do some stuff on it that will need it Dec 04 03:53:41 maybe you are on the rigth :) Dec 04 03:53:52 :) Dec 04 03:54:06 but i dont know what becose all works for me.. Dec 04 03:54:19 less the dammned wifi Dec 04 03:54:20 Xd Dec 04 03:54:42 hey ALoGeNo if i can get android to boot on a phone, that means i can run debian in chroot no Dec 04 03:54:45 ? Dec 04 03:54:50 athena runs android i think Dec 04 03:55:01 oh it does not support anything Dec 04 03:55:04 just runs it Dec 04 03:55:09 mmm, i dunno man :/ Dec 04 03:55:10 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2210758&postcount=35 Dec 04 03:55:36 you can ask that to cmonex in #hpcdev becose she have ones.. Dec 04 03:55:45 one* Dec 04 03:56:27 i do the other way... Dec 04 03:56:42 i use the same kernel to boot any distro in the uni Dec 04 03:57:24 i was booted android with a normal kernel Dec 04 03:57:43 cool Dec 04 03:57:56 support for your phone seems to be good Dec 04 03:58:13 for the uni? good? Dec 04 03:58:19 xd not much.. Dec 04 03:58:58 my phone is from 2005 and is a little old.. and ppl have new one phones.. Dec 04 03:59:14 do new phones have good linux support? Dec 04 03:59:22 and now dont work in the uni old phone.. Dec 04 03:59:27 no Dec 04 03:59:27 XD Dec 04 03:59:40 but the ppl get to work in theys.. Dec 04 03:59:41 XD Dec 04 03:59:50 and left the old ones.. Dec 04 03:59:51 XD Dec 04 04:00:16 :) hehehe Dec 04 04:00:18 is crazy but this is the problem ^^ Dec 04 04:00:50 i think i will keep ny n95 and wait for a good linux phone to come Dec 04 04:01:15 maybe neorunner with querty ^^ Dec 04 04:01:16 htc universal is good, but not worth changing phones for Dec 04 04:01:28 but that willnot happend for a long time Dec 04 04:01:44 GTA03 is 6months+ Dec 04 04:01:52 and it does not have qwerty Dec 04 04:01:52 if you dont have money problems get the uni ^^ Dec 04 04:02:17 and test with that.. allways can sale over ebay again.. ^^ Dec 04 04:03:04 morning HellDragon :) Dec 04 04:03:38 hey Dec 04 04:03:42 http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus Dec 04 04:03:47 EXT. CAMERA WIP The driver is available in the 2.6.16 kernel for [WWW]Motorola A780 Dec 04 04:03:50 INT. CAMERA WIP The driver is available in the 2.6.16 kernel for OMAP [WWW]info Dec 04 04:03:59 ^^ Dec 04 04:04:20 hehe i need acx driver not for camera for wifi.. Dec 04 04:04:21 XD Dec 04 04:04:54 i dont have wifi when i go to take a coffee xDD Dec 04 04:05:00 :( Dec 04 04:05:01 aww Dec 04 04:05:16 i watch youtune Dec 04 04:05:20 and i need to hack someone ^^ Dec 04 04:05:20 XD Dec 04 04:05:21 youtube Dec 04 04:05:28 hehe Dec 04 04:05:54 it have mode monitor and so.. and injects.. Dec 04 04:05:55 XD Dec 04 04:06:34 ^^ Dec 04 04:06:35 but in a few minuts begging to show trash in the screen.. and hangs the wifi.. Dec 04 04:06:49 and need ifup the device.. Dec 04 04:07:01 ifdown/ifup Dec 04 04:07:06 sucks Dec 04 04:07:11 hopefully they will fix it soon Dec 04 04:07:12 totally.. Dec 04 04:07:23 thnx.. Dec 04 04:09:50 CR2 is a good guy.. Dec 04 04:10:09 http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux Dec 04 04:10:32 him is involved in android rigth now like all the world.. Dec 04 04:10:32 xD Dec 04 04:10:37 yeah.. Dec 04 04:10:59 and the other rest of the world is involved with diamond and kaiser.. Dec 04 04:11:59 i dont know much about these phone Dec 04 04:11:59 s Dec 04 04:12:11 they dont have htc here in europe Dec 04 04:12:14 atleast not what ive seen Dec 04 04:14:05 the raphael is the diamond (diamond raphael) Dec 04 04:14:46 which models are there Dec 04 04:14:53 i should google Dec 04 04:15:31 and is like the kaiser but new model.. (and not the same hardware, but you have the ame BT wifi 3G and GPS and camera of course..) Dec 04 04:15:54 same* Dec 04 04:16:08 "Re-enabled some services that I had previously disabled. With this GSM magically works in android. You can now receive calls (and probably also make calls)" Dec 04 04:16:20 and keyboard.. (kaiser i dunno if it has keyb) Dec 04 04:16:35 which one is best suppoeted Dec 04 04:16:39 yeah keyboard rocks Dec 04 04:16:42 i would gtet this phone Dec 04 04:16:43 i think Dec 04 04:16:50 diamond? Dec 04 04:16:53 maybe Dec 04 04:16:57 it has a keybaord Dec 04 04:16:58 QVGA? Dec 04 04:16:58 board Dec 04 04:17:02 ?! Dec 04 04:17:03 is it? Dec 04 04:17:07 yes Dec 04 04:17:12 it looks higher Dec 04 04:17:16 320x240 Dec 04 04:17:21 on the screenshots it looks higher Dec 04 04:17:29 read read.. Dec 04 04:17:52 hmm Dec 04 04:17:54 sucks : Dec 04 04:17:55 ( Dec 04 04:17:56 :( Dec 04 04:18:11 good otherwise Dec 04 04:18:15 i have the same that kaiser (tytnII) but without GPS htc hemes (Tytn) Dec 04 04:18:43 you have it? Dec 04 04:18:43 QVGA.. and sux for view any thing-.. Dec 04 04:18:47 :( Dec 04 04:19:14 hmm, i guess, are there other phones with higher resolution from htc? Dec 04 04:19:26 maybe htc touch HD Dec 04 04:19:31 but is a lot new.. Dec 04 04:19:37 no linux i think Dec 04 04:19:42 :( ok Dec 04 04:20:11 :) Dec 04 04:20:27 isnt easy , uh? hehe Dec 04 04:20:37 hehe no its not :( hehe Dec 04 04:20:47 i normally have a hard time choosing Dec 04 04:21:05 last time it was easy Dec 04 04:21:08 but with linux the thing is more complicated.. Dec 04 04:21:15 n958gb was very good when i had it Dec 04 04:21:22 and i run putty on it so it was ok a while Dec 04 04:21:28 but input is very bad on a t9 Dec 04 04:21:37 yes.. Dec 04 04:21:39 i need qwerty, i cant code on t9 Dec 04 04:21:48 its ok to organize with but nothing else Dec 04 04:22:16 i want to run mutt and wyrd, and mc, and irssi etc Dec 04 04:22:19 htc universal Dec 04 04:22:20 XD Dec 04 04:22:23 :D hehe Dec 04 04:22:27 maybe you are right Dec 04 04:22:36 does not seem to be another alternative Dec 04 04:22:53 you can do all this things over windows mobile Dec 04 04:23:04 what do you mean Dec 04 04:23:07 run windows? Dec 04 04:23:10 putty and that.. Dec 04 04:23:17 yes but its not enough Dec 04 04:23:21 i need to have chroot an dstuff Dec 04 04:23:33 perhaps even run a smaaaaall database Dec 04 04:23:46 you have it but the wifi still without end of work.. Dec 04 04:23:55 this is a problem.. Dec 04 04:24:06 u think its gonna take a long time to fix> Dec 04 04:24:06 ? Dec 04 04:24:16 ohh man... Dec 04 04:24:18 XD Dec 04 04:24:31 i pray all the days for that Dec 04 04:24:31 XD Dec 04 04:24:39 (im not catolic) Dec 04 04:24:40 XD Dec 04 04:24:42 is it due to the new kernel? Dec 04 04:24:46 im agnostic Dec 04 04:24:51 or whaterver ^^ Dec 04 04:24:52 cant you revert to a older kernel? Dec 04 04:25:09 yep but you lost other futures Dec 04 04:25:13 like the phone.. Dec 04 04:25:22 and dont work at all.. Dec 04 04:25:33 how long have you been waiting for the wifi to work Dec 04 04:25:33 ? Dec 04 04:25:53 i have the uni a few moths like 4 or 5 moths.. Dec 04 04:26:02 oh that long Dec 04 04:26:05 :( Dec 04 04:26:13 and im waiting around 1 or 2 moths.. Dec 04 04:26:21 xD Dec 04 04:26:26 oh ;) Dec 04 04:26:40 i mean i have the uni stoped for that 1 or 2 moths.. ^^ Dec 04 04:26:50 ok Dec 04 04:26:52 do you like it? Dec 04 04:27:01 becose after i was ocupated learning and that ^^ Dec 04 04:27:04 do you have another phone? Dec 04 04:27:40 hey bro you can really suft the net on this Dec 04 04:27:43 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Pocket_pc_qtek_2006-08-26.jpg Dec 04 04:27:45 looks good Dec 04 04:27:56 yes i have tytn, the uni, and nec mp900c and ipod touch too.. Dec 04 04:28:27 cool Dec 04 04:29:18 yeah you can surf but you must install opera ^^ much better that ie Dec 04 04:29:29 than* Dec 04 04:29:42 how does linux run on the uni? Dec 04 04:29:59 is it ok? Dec 04 04:30:11 you need partitionning you SD card making 3 partitions.. Dec 04 04:30:20 fat, ext2 and swap Dec 04 04:30:33 fat== boot? Dec 04 04:30:45 later you put the haret.exe in the fat and boot to rootfs in ext2 Dec 04 04:30:53 nono Dec 04 04:30:56 ah Dec 04 04:30:59 ok now i see Dec 04 04:31:04 the fat is only to copy haret and kernel Dec 04 04:31:25 and for your stuff ^^ Dec 04 04:31:43 opera or whaterver ^^ Dec 04 04:32:54 we need a phone with the screen of the iphone/itouch, and with querty, and debian inside Dec 04 04:32:55 XD Dec 04 04:33:02 haha yeah Dec 04 04:33:04 exatcly Dec 04 04:33:23 and good battery Dec 04 04:33:25 +gps Dec 04 04:33:28 xD Dec 04 04:33:29 ^^ Dec 04 04:33:33 yes.. Dec 04 04:33:46 that is trying google.. but i dunno... Dec 04 04:33:49 have you seen the new n97? Dec 04 04:33:51 its craaaazy Dec 04 04:33:58 but symbian :( :( Dec 04 04:33:59 oh yes! Dec 04 04:33:59 XD Dec 04 04:34:06 its really nice though Dec 04 04:34:08 REALLY nice Dec 04 04:34:10 is a full copy of the htc machines.. Dec 04 04:34:11 XD Dec 04 04:34:19 is like my TYTN Dec 04 04:34:20 XD Dec 04 04:34:44 its very good though, i saw it the other day at the nokia meeting Dec 04 04:34:47 http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes Dec 04 04:34:52 ^^ Dec 04 04:35:10 what resolution screen? Dec 04 04:35:14 thats what i want Dec 04 04:35:19 http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser Dec 04 04:35:31 hermes is QVGA Dec 04 04:35:35 320x240 Dec 04 04:35:40 kaiser i dunno.. Dec 04 04:35:43 :( Dec 04 04:35:47 i think the same. Dec 04 04:35:56 wow they are nice Dec 04 04:36:09 they are good on the go Dec 04 04:36:11 not very big Dec 04 04:36:13 its good Dec 04 04:36:15 .Display: 2.8", 240 X 320 QVGA TFT-LCD display with adjustable angle and backlight Dec 04 04:36:19 :( Dec 04 04:36:19 kaiser.. Dec 04 04:36:24 too bad Dec 04 04:36:50 what about the HP ones? Dec 04 04:36:56 2.8-inch QVGA screen (flips automatically to landscape mode when opened) 320 x 240 , 65k colour Dec 04 04:36:59 hermes Dec 04 04:37:06 same screen Dec 04 04:37:09 wonder if there are any HP PDA+gsm that runs linux Dec 04 04:37:16 320x240 reminds me of quake1 Dec 04 04:37:17 ^^ Dec 04 04:37:28 i dunno this machines.. :P Dec 04 04:37:55 i was have the hp1940 Dec 04 04:38:09 but i sold that to buy the tytn Dec 04 04:38:19 tytn? Dec 04 04:38:25 htc hermes Dec 04 04:38:27 oh Dec 04 04:38:41 you running linux on it? Dec 04 04:38:53 tytn =htc hermes and tytnII = htc kaiser Dec 04 04:39:02 nono Dec 04 04:39:10 ah ok Dec 04 04:39:11 in hermes nope.. Dec 04 04:39:40 im running linux in the universal only one.. Dec 04 04:39:49 ok Dec 04 04:40:13 and in the nec mobile pro 900c but it is another history Dec 04 04:40:25 touch pro has good resolutio Dec 04 04:40:37 i dunno Dec 04 04:40:39 HD? Dec 04 04:40:43 touch pro HD? Dec 04 04:40:49 HTC Touch Pro Dec 04 04:40:58 ah its the HTC Raphael Dec 04 04:41:01 it says on wikipedia Dec 04 04:41:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Touch_Pro Dec 04 04:41:13 but i dont think it supports linux :( Dec 04 04:41:18 htc raphael is touch pro? Dec 04 04:41:29 "The HTC Touch Pro (also known as the HTC Raphael) is a family of Internet-enabled Windows Mobile Pocket PC smartphones designed and marketed by High Tech Computer Corporation of Taiwan. " Dec 04 04:41:34 looks like it Dec 04 04:43:04 you are in the rigth.. Dec 04 04:43:05 http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Diamond Dec 04 04:43:21 this is code named VICTOR Dec 04 04:43:26 not raphael Dec 04 04:44:00 Screen resolution: 480x640 pixels at 287 ppi, 3:4 aspect ratio Dec 04 04:44:09 the raphael.. is not bad.. Dec 04 04:44:55 but 2.8" Dec 04 04:45:14 look at the uni 3.7" VGA Screen (64k-color 640x480 Transflective TFT) Dec 04 04:45:18 ^^ Dec 04 04:50:05 hmm Dec 04 04:50:20 yeah Dec 04 04:50:23 damn Dec 04 04:50:26 that screen is big Dec 04 04:50:28 ok Dec 04 04:50:31 dude you are right Dec 04 04:50:40 but its true Dec 04 04:50:44 without the wifi it wont work for me Dec 04 04:50:51 i need wifi Dec 04 04:51:24 what is iphones screen Dec 04 04:51:27 is it good? Dec 04 04:51:32 i mean resolution Dec 04 04:51:35 its the same no? Dec 04 04:51:51 iphone screen == htc universal screen Dec 04 04:51:53 ? Dec 04 04:53:06 ALoGeNo: can you run mplayer on it? Dec 04 04:53:12 without it lagging Dec 04 04:53:13 ? Dec 04 04:54:00 yep in the uni? Dec 04 04:54:24 yep the uni have 512Mhz procesor.. Dec 04 04:54:24 yea Dec 04 04:54:31 512 is good Dec 04 04:54:38 yep Dec 04 04:54:42 you can do alot with 512 Dec 04 04:54:51 how about swapping to disk? Dec 04 04:54:58 i mean when the ram gets full it starts swapping to disk Dec 04 04:55:00 my laptop is a ibm thinkpad celeron at 500Mhz Dec 04 04:55:00 XD Dec 04 04:55:15 my laptop is a thinkpad too :D Dec 04 04:55:52 what you mean with swap? Dec 04 04:56:13 when the ram gets full on the phone Dec 04 04:56:14 if the SD card is quickly the swap is quickly.. Dec 04 04:56:17 linux starts swapping Dec 04 04:56:27 to disk Dec 04 04:56:41 the disk is the SD ^^ Dec 04 04:56:44 usually that slows down IO alot Dec 04 04:57:10 oh.. i dunno enougth obout that i think :P Dec 04 04:57:10 because you are using your application doing things and writing to disk+because the swap is full you are writing to disk Dec 04 04:57:38 so I/O load gets higher Dec 04 04:57:39 i feel that the uni runs like a charm ^^ Dec 04 04:57:46 does it :) Dec 04 04:57:59 its the same cpu like openmoko Dec 04 04:58:12 i was used that without swap, i was discovered that a few weeks a go xD Dec 04 04:58:51 does your ram get full all the time? Dec 04 04:58:56 do you get problems from the low ram>? Dec 04 04:59:06 but the opekmoko phone isnt the same that neorunner??? Dec 04 04:59:20 yes neorunner i mean Dec 04 04:59:23 openmoko is the Os i think Dec 04 04:59:28 kk np Dec 04 04:59:58 im made to work with slow machines.. Dec 04 05:00:09 my phone now has gps+wifi working Dec 04 05:00:17 and i dont feel nothing werid in the uni ^^ Dec 04 05:00:27 weird* Dec 04 05:00:40 strange i mean.. Dec 04 05:01:15 i understand Dec 04 05:01:22 in my opinion the uni works like a charm at all, less the wifi ^^ Dec 04 05:01:39 im wondering if i would want to change. i will miss gps Dec 04 05:01:45 gps is great Dec 04 05:01:49 and fun Dec 04 05:01:57 geotagging photos Dec 04 05:02:09 you never are lost Dec 04 05:02:09 :D Dec 04 05:02:20 heheh yep Dec 04 05:02:35 i use external GPS ^^ BT GPS i mean ^^ Dec 04 05:03:00 hmm, what kind of external device? Dec 04 05:03:01 how big? Dec 04 05:03:32 clip-on fortuna GPS Dec 04 05:04:18 3cmx3cm and 5 or 6cm long. Dec 04 05:04:53 do you have a screenshot/ Dec 04 05:05:36 http://www.gpspassion.com/pics/bluetooth/clip/clip5.jpg Dec 04 05:06:02 is it big? Dec 04 05:06:03 http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/reviews/fortuna-clip-on/fortuna-clip-on.jpg Dec 04 05:06:14 5cm Dec 04 05:06:23 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2050/1925046421_0a0a638b54.jpg Dec 04 05:06:26 from nokia Dec 04 05:06:30 they have one too Dec 04 05:06:39 they say its more accurate then the built in ones in phones Dec 04 05:06:47 i could trade if i was to get one of those Dec 04 05:06:52 wow nice gadget Dec 04 05:06:53 so gps is not a issue Dec 04 05:07:08 it uses bluetooth Dec 04 05:07:18 ive not tried it, but i mean it should work on the htc Dec 04 05:07:18 aha Dec 04 05:07:31 yep sure... Dec 04 05:07:57 and i should be able to find gps apps for the uni Dec 04 05:08:03 since it has debian packages Dec 04 05:08:10 give me a second... i need cafeine ^^ Dec 04 05:08:15 :) Dec 04 05:08:19 6:00am here ^^ Dec 04 05:08:19 enjoy Dec 04 05:08:24 where are you? Dec 04 05:08:28 spain Dec 04 05:08:30 me too Dec 04 05:08:33 hehe Dec 04 05:08:38 eres español? Dec 04 05:08:39 XD Dec 04 05:08:40 <-- barcelona Dec 04 05:08:43 joder Dec 04 05:08:44 un pocito Dec 04 05:08:53 y yo rompiendome los cuernos q no tengo ni zorra de ingles Dec 04 05:08:53 XD Dec 04 05:08:54 i am not spanish Dec 04 05:08:56 :) Dec 04 05:09:05 como es rompiendome Dec 04 05:09:18 y como es zorra Dec 04 05:09:20 breaking my self.. Dec 04 05:09:22 ? Dec 04 05:09:28 hehe suck at spanish Dec 04 05:09:37 im still learning Dec 04 05:09:45 ni zorra idea is like no fuck idea.. Dec 04 05:09:53 hehe Dec 04 05:10:20 why do you say Dec 04 05:10:21 and rompiendome is breaking me self ^^ Dec 04 05:10:22 zorra Dec 04 05:10:24 fox Dec 04 05:10:27 yes Dec 04 05:10:29 i have no fox in english Dec 04 05:10:32 does that mean skill? Dec 04 05:10:38 fox zorra puta bitch ^^ Dec 04 05:10:45 haha Dec 04 05:10:48 zorra == puta? Dec 04 05:10:52 yes Dec 04 05:10:53 ;D Dec 04 05:10:56 zorra in english is a good thing Dec 04 05:11:05 if a girl is a fox, its like "wow, a fox" Dec 04 05:11:07 lol Dec 04 05:11:27 yeah in spanish zorro is a man that know many things.. Dec 04 05:11:42 and what do you mean the horns Dec 04 05:11:48 you broke the horns? Dec 04 05:11:55 haha spanish is such a good language Dec 04 05:12:04 but a if you say zorra to a woman that means.. bitch Dec 04 05:12:08 ah Dec 04 05:12:22 yeah Dec 04 05:12:27 breaking horns.. Dec 04 05:12:27 XD Dec 04 05:12:32 what does that mean Dec 04 05:12:34 like the bulls.. you know? Dec 04 05:12:35 Xd Dec 04 05:12:36 ah Dec 04 05:13:05 haha damn funny Dec 04 05:13:06 if you are a bull, you can broke your horns.. with a wall.. by example.. Dec 04 05:13:06 XD Dec 04 05:13:10 i will tell my brothe rtomorrow Dec 04 05:13:16 HAHA Dec 04 05:13:29 ah if i break my horns Dec 04 05:13:34 haha thats great Dec 04 05:13:36 then we say here.. that we are breaking the horns when we are doing a hard work or so.. Dec 04 05:13:36 i get it now Dec 04 05:13:37 Xd Dec 04 05:13:47 cool, good to know Dec 04 05:13:51 ^^ Dec 04 05:14:33 what are you doing up this late Dec 04 05:14:37 or early Dec 04 05:14:38 that means that im doing a big effort to speak on english ^^ Dec 04 05:14:47 yo me rompo los cuernos hablando ingles.. Dec 04 05:14:48 XD Dec 04 05:14:48 haha yeah i understand Dec 04 05:15:03 i appriciate the effort Dec 04 05:15:10 you would not understand me if i wrote in spanish Dec 04 05:15:21 is like knok the wall with the head.. Dec 04 05:15:22 XD Dec 04 05:15:25 i look spanish so people speak spanish to me all the time Dec 04 05:15:38 beautiful latina girls speak to me and i dont know wha tto say haha Dec 04 05:15:48 XD Dec 04 05:15:51 im learning though everyday Dec 04 05:15:52 :) Dec 04 05:16:01 thats nice hehe.. Dec 04 05:16:11 i speak 6 languages, so i should learn it in a few years Dec 04 05:16:22 i learn english to run my fucking acx in the uni XD Dec 04 05:16:29 but no results.. xD Dec 04 05:16:36 i know how to say permite fumar una porro Dec 04 05:16:44 jajajajajajajajaajaj Dec 04 05:16:48 hahahahahahah Dec 04 05:16:49 :D Dec 04 05:17:00 me puedo fumar un porro? Dec 04 05:17:12 te importa si me fumo un porro?¿ Dec 04 05:17:27 te molestaria que me fumara un porro..? Dec 04 05:17:32 :) Dec 04 05:17:35 ah Dec 04 05:17:50 yo me voy hacer un porro ahora mismo Dec 04 05:17:51 XD Dec 04 05:17:53 how do i say Dec 04 05:17:55 ;et us Dec 04 05:17:56 let us Dec 04 05:17:58 vamos ? Dec 04 05:17:59 de maria.. Dec 04 05:18:00 XD Dec 04 05:18:07 meriyein..! Dec 04 05:18:11 marijuana ^^ Dec 04 05:18:13 lets do something Dec 04 05:18:17 how do you say that Dec 04 05:18:33 let us? Dec 04 05:18:40 yes like lets go Dec 04 05:18:40 what you mean? Dec 04 05:18:43 or lets smoke Dec 04 05:18:46 or lets walk Dec 04 05:18:46 try to say that on spanish.. Dec 04 05:19:07 its mos i think Dec 04 05:19:09 ah vale.. Dec 04 05:19:10 you say "mos" Dec 04 05:19:17 vamos.. Dec 04 05:19:18 fumamos Dec 04 05:19:22 si Dec 04 05:19:23 XD Dec 04 05:19:25 bueno :) Dec 04 05:19:31 come on.. Dec 04 05:19:33 yea Dec 04 05:19:33 xD Dec 04 05:19:35 hehe Dec 04 05:19:43 vamos a fumarnos un porro Dec 04 05:19:53 o vamos a fumarnos un canuto Dec 04 05:19:56 can you say that? Dec 04 05:20:00 o vamos a fumarnos un peta Dec 04 05:20:00 Xd Dec 04 05:20:07 is the same thing Dec 04 05:20:24 canuto? Dec 04 05:20:45 horns? Dec 04 05:20:46 haha Dec 04 05:20:57 porro canuto peta mai fly... Dec 04 05:21:04 is the same.. Dec 04 05:21:15 como es peta? Dec 04 05:21:31 peta comes from petardo Dec 04 05:21:51 petardos are the fireworks ^^ Dec 04 05:22:05 explicar petardo Dec 04 05:22:05 ah Dec 04 05:22:35 funny expression Dec 04 05:22:36 horns Dec 04 05:22:39 i will remember that Dec 04 05:22:40 yep Dec 04 05:22:45 they say cabron alot too Dec 04 05:22:46 the french say petard Dec 04 05:22:47 goat Dec 04 05:23:08 yes cabron is like bastard.. Dec 04 05:23:12 yea Dec 04 05:23:20 but isnt the same thing Dec 04 05:23:43 my friend sayd cabron means "a man whos woman is fucking another man, and he knows about it" Dec 04 05:23:57 the cabron lets his wife to fuck with th others.. Dec 04 05:23:57 Xd Dec 04 05:24:03 but if you smile its a good thing Dec 04 05:24:06 and you know that bastard isnt that.. Dec 04 05:24:09 but never to say it to a puerto rican Dec 04 05:24:28 yes Dec 04 05:24:35 because for them its a very abd word and they get reaaaaaaaally pissed Dec 04 05:24:40 :O Dec 04 05:24:58 but we say cabron like the man that fuck with many woman and left at next day.. Dec 04 05:25:20 yea Dec 04 05:25:28 is like the most cabron is the most dangerous... Dec 04 05:25:49 vale :) Dec 04 05:25:50 the bad guy.. you call they cabron.. Dec 04 05:25:55 haha Dec 04 05:25:57 ;) Dec 04 05:26:09 http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2008/03/external-gps-vs-internal-gps.html Dec 04 05:26:25 whats the battery time on the uni Dec 04 05:26:30 but you can say that only to your bros becose another can think bad about... Dec 04 05:26:36 running linux Dec 04 05:26:45 yea Dec 04 05:27:06 i have the 4800mha Dec 04 05:27:20 and i have that 8h or so.. Dec 04 05:27:38 running what? Dec 04 05:27:51 are you using cpufreq etc? Dec 04 05:27:59 wifi Dec 04 05:28:11 thats good Dec 04 05:28:14 the cpu freq is allwais the same in linux Dec 04 05:28:24 so you are not scaling it Dec 04 05:28:32 not now in linux Dec 04 05:28:41 (i think) Dec 04 05:28:41 so you could get alot better battery time Dec 04 05:28:57 yeah more than a laptop Dec 04 05:29:07 much more.. Dec 04 05:29:12 what about without wifi Dec 04 05:29:16 does it work long Dec 04 05:29:16 ? Dec 04 05:29:18 let me take a cofee.. Dec 04 05:29:21 sure Dec 04 05:29:23 enjoy Dec 04 05:29:31 back in 2 min Dec 04 05:29:38 cool Dec 04 05:34:26 hey sebbs Dec 04 05:34:35 you said that you are in barcelona? Dec 04 05:35:12 yea Dec 04 05:36:02 working? Dec 04 05:36:14 but you are fomr the states? or what? Dec 04 05:36:18 from* Dec 04 05:36:30 naw not the states Dec 04 05:36:41 i used to live in london before i came here Dec 04 05:36:51 im born in scandinavia though Dec 04 05:37:12 my dad is indian, so thats why i speak english Dec 04 05:38:19 oh that is nice ^^ Dec 04 05:38:29 indian from india i supose ^^ Dec 04 05:38:34 yes Dec 04 05:38:42 that is nice :) Dec 04 05:38:48 my mother is finnish Dec 04 05:38:57 cool Dec 04 05:39:01 but i was raised in sweden Dec 04 05:39:15 then moved to london, then to ireland, and from there i came here Dec 04 05:39:18 needed sun ^^ Dec 04 05:39:19 wow.. nice history ^^^ Dec 04 05:39:52 and now im looking for a phone hehe Dec 04 05:40:04 im from here from castilla la mancha Dec 04 05:40:24 i work from home as a sysadmin/system architect so i need a machine i can ssh from, and code on at times Dec 04 05:40:31 ah castilla la mancha Dec 04 05:40:43 is at rigth of comunidad madrileña ^^ Dec 04 05:40:59 comunidad de madrid ** Dec 04 05:41:05 left from valencia i think Dec 04 05:41:09 iirc Dec 04 05:41:13 yep exactly Dec 04 05:41:17 :) Dec 04 05:41:22 :) Dec 04 05:41:36 ive not been anywhere but barcelona Dec 04 05:41:42 im gonna travel more next year Dec 04 05:41:48 too much work this year Dec 04 05:41:53 barcelona city or provincia? Dec 04 05:41:56 city Dec 04 05:42:00 poble sec Dec 04 05:42:02 atm Dec 04 05:42:10 poble sec? Dec 04 05:42:11 lived in barrio gothico before Dec 04 05:42:16 ah okey Dec 04 05:42:18 i like barcelona alot Dec 04 05:42:24 but too much turists Dec 04 05:42:27 ^^ Dec 04 05:42:27 yeah is nice Dec 04 05:42:53 all is full of turistas and no tan turistas.. ( i mean inmigrants hehe) Dec 04 05:43:26 where did you find that phone for 150? Dec 04 05:43:34 all of us are turistas in the world ^^ Dec 04 05:43:39 very true Dec 04 05:43:45 we are all nomads Dec 04 05:43:49 most of us at least Dec 04 05:43:51 exactly ^^ Dec 04 05:43:59 on ebay Dec 04 05:44:05 spanish ebay? Dec 04 05:44:10 yes Dec 04 05:44:15 cool Dec 04 05:44:24 maybe more cheaper.. Dec 04 05:44:33 if you look for europe.. Dec 04 05:44:54 maybe 100€ Dec 04 05:45:09 120€... Dec 04 05:45:21 it would be cool to buy it, get a big flashdisk, add RAM and get a new battery Dec 04 05:45:27 but i wonder how much that would cost Dec 04 05:45:38 i would use that machine for like 10 years Dec 04 05:45:43 if it ran linux Dec 04 05:46:20 ^^ Dec 04 05:46:27 http://cgi.ebay.es/Qtek-9000-Grundig-GR980-Htc-Universal-estropeada_W0QQitemZ180310954909QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_186?hash=item180310954909&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A895|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 Dec 04 05:46:38 oh and i will have to buy a gps dongle too Dec 04 05:46:46 its alot of stuff to buy extra :( Dec 04 05:47:06 "bateria original, bateria de ampliación de 3000" Dec 04 05:47:39 "estropeada" Dec 04 05:47:52 seems byea Dec 04 05:47:54 yea Dec 04 05:48:14 estropeada is broke Dec 04 05:48:25 i thought roto was broke Dec 04 05:48:48 dont chager over USB you need charge with external garger.., USB not work at all.. Dec 04 05:48:59 ah :( thats not good Dec 04 05:49:01 charger* Dec 04 05:49:06 can you charge over usb and use it the same time? Dec 04 05:49:12 yes Dec 04 05:49:14 :D Dec 04 05:50:05 but theys recomends to charge that with the own charger becose is more powerfull and is much better to the battery.. Dec 04 05:50:41 but yes.. you can Dec 04 05:51:40 thats good Dec 04 05:56:42 is more spensive the universal now Dec 04 05:56:42 XD Dec 04 05:57:08 this is for the xda-forum ^^ Dec 04 05:58:20 ppl knows that you can put linux in that, and give up the prices.. Dec 04 05:58:42 subir los precios is getting up the prices no? Dec 04 05:58:53 yes Dec 04 05:58:56 it is :) Dec 04 05:59:04 ppl knows that you can put linux in that, and getting* up the prices.. Dec 04 05:59:05 xD Dec 04 05:59:09 im trying to find the phone but as you say its more expensive now Dec 04 05:59:15 i would buy it ready modded though Dec 04 05:59:17 sip Dec 04 05:59:25 if it had the ram etc Dec 04 05:59:37 yea Dec 04 05:59:54 i dont think that you can find some uni modded ^^ Dec 04 06:00:12 nobody would sell it Dec 04 06:00:45 the ppl that have that with 128MB knows that they have in his hands ^^ Dec 04 06:01:40 and shimomura now a few moth back was compiled a new kernel with 128MB support becose him was updated his uni ^^ Dec 04 06:02:07 thats cool Dec 04 06:02:08 :) Dec 04 06:02:25 this guy http://sumoudou.org/index.php?cmd=%E7%9B%B8%E6%92%B2%E5%A4%96%EF%BC%9AInstalling%20Debian%20GNU/Linux%20on%20the%20Universal Dec 04 06:02:53 this is the main source of info for the uni and debian.. Dec 04 06:03:06 ah yea Dec 04 06:03:08 and later titchy webpage.. Dec 04 06:03:47 but this guy did a nice work with debian and uni.. Dec 04 06:04:25 now we need new kernel Dec 04 06:05:01 how often do new versions of the kernel come ? Dec 04 06:05:31 como? Dec 04 06:05:49 often? Dec 04 06:05:56 what you mean? Dec 04 06:05:57 Xd Dec 04 06:06:45 oh now i see what you mean Dec 04 06:06:48 i missunderstood Dec 04 06:07:05 * ALoGeNo mix the maria with the tobacco... Dec 04 06:07:19 ^^ Dec 04 06:07:28 oki Dec 04 06:07:32 sin tobbacco Dec 04 06:07:42 solo maria Dec 04 06:07:43 nopes im poor Dec 04 06:07:48 aww :( Dec 04 06:08:21 las semillas crecen Dec 04 06:08:26 and if you smoke marihuana only, you cant do anything more Dec 04 06:08:28 XD Dec 04 06:08:52 :D yea you start chatting with people on freenode Dec 04 06:09:00 and forget what you where supposed to do Dec 04 06:09:02 ^^ Dec 04 06:09:17 here we do the joints like the hachis joints.. with tobacco Dec 04 06:10:02 el tabaco es peligroso Dec 04 06:10:12 is it peligroso? Dec 04 06:10:15 dangerous Dec 04 06:10:16 * ALoGeNo 6le pasa el1 <¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯4))º²º²°` 6a12 sebbs 6pa ke le de una kaladilla Dec 04 06:10:22 xDDD Dec 04 06:10:23 haha Dec 04 06:10:28 si Dec 04 06:10:29 LOL Dec 04 06:10:31 peligroso Dec 04 06:10:33 ^^ Dec 04 06:10:45 now i gotta roll one Dec 04 06:10:50 am starting work at 12 Dec 04 06:10:54 mr too Dec 04 06:11:06 me* Dec 04 06:11:07 muy frio out Dec 04 06:11:18 rolling not work at 12 ^^ Dec 04 06:11:25 hehe Dec 04 06:11:30 yep hace mucho frio Dec 04 06:11:51 is it muy or mucho Dec 04 06:11:54 hace mucho frio fuera Dec 04 06:12:15 mucho Dec 04 06:12:28 hace? Dec 04 06:13:05 si Dec 04 06:13:15 como es hace Dec 04 06:13:35 vosotros decis... Dec 04 06:13:44 esta muy frio fuera.. Dec 04 06:13:59 ah si vale Dec 04 06:14:00 nosotros decimos esta haciendo mucho frio fuera.. Dec 04 06:14:21 pero en vez de esta haciendo que es un verbo compuesto usamos un verbo simple.. Dec 04 06:14:28 hace Dec 04 06:14:29 y tu decis mucho Dec 04 06:14:36 si Dec 04 06:15:01 ah Dec 04 06:15:16 im using my dictionary everytime i dont know a word Dec 04 06:15:35 esta haciendo = en este momento hace Dec 04 06:15:47 pero solo decimos hace mucho frio.. Dec 04 06:15:58 y no en este momento esta haciendo Dec 04 06:16:37 i havent superior school.. Dec 04 06:16:38 XD Dec 04 06:16:45 i fot it Dec 04 06:16:47 got Dec 04 06:16:53 i have not either Dec 04 06:16:56 i was lear english by my self.. Dec 04 06:17:06 and i am learning spanish myself too Dec 04 06:17:13 nice ^^ Dec 04 06:17:15 i took spanish in school Dec 04 06:17:23 but i smoked too much porro :P Dec 04 06:17:23 me french Dec 04 06:17:24 XD Dec 04 06:17:31 ^^ Dec 04 06:17:36 here they speak catalan Dec 04 06:17:43 yes me smoke a lot too ^^ Dec 04 06:17:44 eveyrthing is catalan Dec 04 06:17:56 but later with 17 years old.. Dec 04 06:18:06 with? Dec 04 06:18:10 when Dec 04 06:18:19 and my phater left me of school with 13 years old.. Dec 04 06:18:29 father^ Dec 04 06:18:53 now im 37 years old ^^ Dec 04 06:19:01 ^^ Dec 04 06:19:22 time goes quickly Dec 04 06:19:26 but never is later to learn ^^ Dec 04 06:19:28 flysby Dec 04 06:19:33 very true Dec 04 06:20:06 damn its cold out Dec 04 06:20:12 yep.. Dec 04 06:20:43 im gonna think about the uni since the wifi is not working Dec 04 06:20:45 3º Dec 04 06:21:00 thats cold Dec 04 06:21:06 dont get the uni becose still without end.. Dec 04 06:21:17 yea Dec 04 06:21:23 i will keep a eye on it Dec 04 06:21:25 but the problem is.. then.. what..? Dec 04 06:21:52 im gonna have to create a python script for exporting my stuff from my n95 Dec 04 06:21:58 im dream with G1 but very spensive Dec 04 06:21:59 till i get a new phone Dec 04 06:22:14 but it uses a locked down version of android Dec 04 06:22:21 you dont have root on the system Dec 04 06:22:29 and with that you say of the hack method by now dont cool.. Dec 04 06:22:45 but it was a security flaw in one version of the firmware Dec 04 06:22:51 it has been updated now and the hole is secure Dec 04 06:22:52 :( Dec 04 06:23:10 fucking google.. Dec 04 06:23:14 np.. Dec 04 06:23:58 http://hackaday.com/2008/11/11/running-debian-and-android-on-the-g1/ Dec 04 06:24:05 you will see that, when google beging to see that if the ppl cant hack the phone dont buy nothing.. Dec 04 06:24:30 you will see how theys do something wrong to can hack it.. Dec 04 06:24:36 like the iphone.. Dec 04 06:24:38 XD Dec 04 06:24:39 haha you can get root access through telnet Dec 04 06:24:57 iphone will run linux soon Dec 04 06:25:03 they are working on it Dec 04 06:25:03 and you have the kernel source over there.. Dec 04 06:25:11 i would buy the iphone if i ran only linux on it Dec 04 06:25:13 yep.. Dec 04 06:25:17 but no qwerty Dec 04 06:25:20 nop Dec 04 06:25:22 i dont like touchscreens Dec 04 06:25:27 and marvell of the shit.. Dec 04 06:25:28 XD Dec 04 06:25:41 i have a x61 tablet and i dont use the screen so much Dec 04 06:25:45 keyboard is alot better Dec 04 06:25:49 the wifi chipset is a marvell like the psp and ps3.. Dec 04 06:25:51 i dont like guy Dec 04 06:25:53 gui Dec 04 06:25:57 dont support mode monitor.. Dec 04 06:26:55 the iphone/ipod touch is nice.. but the querty is a important part of the game ^^ Dec 04 06:26:55 i would get the g1 if it ran debian Dec 04 06:26:58 i mean for real Dec 04 06:27:03 not r00ted Dec 04 06:27:15 yes.. me too.. Dec 04 06:27:21 specially when writing long stuff Dec 04 06:27:31 but only if that cost that they say.. Dec 04 06:27:35 120€ Dec 04 06:27:36 XD Dec 04 06:27:49 i use my phone at work, like if i go out and am at a resturant i can use their wifi and check my email Dec 04 06:28:04 just download the headers to see if thre is anything important happening Dec 04 06:28:04 * * OE Bug 4900 has been created by  Dec 04 06:28:06 * * efreet-0.5.0.043+svnr37395-autobuild Dec 04 06:28:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4900 Dec 04 06:29:03 check my unis mod Dec 04 06:29:05 ^^ Dec 04 06:29:05 http://www.flickr.com/photos/30871603@N06/sets/72157607495014144/detail/ Dec 04 06:29:44 and is very very easy to do ^^ Dec 04 06:29:56 haha antenna? Dec 04 06:30:01 yep Dec 04 06:30:11 external antenna Dec 04 06:30:13 ^^ Dec 04 06:30:13 for the wifi or what? Dec 04 06:30:19 yep Dec 04 06:30:23 sweet Dec 04 06:30:28 your running windows though Dec 04 06:30:35 yep Dec 04 06:30:42 why Dec 04 06:30:55 becose i cant do the test with a wifi that not work at all in linus Dec 04 06:30:58 linux^ Dec 04 06:31:14 oh at all Dec 04 06:31:28 i thought you said it went up and down Dec 04 06:31:50 or that you fixed it by using the command ifup and down Dec 04 06:31:54 resetting it Dec 04 06:32:03 this videos are of my uni Dec 04 06:32:04 http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&resnum=0&q=debian%20htc%20universal&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv# Dec 04 06:32:05 dude i am baked Dec 04 06:32:13 hehe u love your uni Dec 04 06:32:32 this 2 videos are the uni with debian,.. Dec 04 06:32:41 my uni Dec 04 06:32:41 XD Dec 04 06:32:49 and my crapped videos x Dec 04 06:32:50 XD Dec 04 06:32:57 wow dude Dec 04 06:33:00 thats cool Dec 04 06:33:09 yep i told you ^^ Dec 04 06:33:21 shit Dec 04 06:33:30 its quick too Dec 04 06:33:33 but im bored with the acx :/ Dec 04 06:33:34 X just flashed up Dec 04 06:33:55 its quick Dec 04 06:33:59 yes Dec 04 06:34:08 imagine that with 128MB Dec 04 06:34:27 you could run mutt on it without any problems at all Dec 04 06:34:30 :D :D Dec 04 06:34:34 mutt? Dec 04 06:34:38 emailclient Dec 04 06:34:41 i can find that in atp? Dec 04 06:34:43 XD Dec 04 06:34:49 apt* Dec 04 06:35:11 http://wiki.mutt.org/?back=/ScreenShots Dec 04 06:35:14 yea Dec 04 06:35:15 if it is in the apt repo it can run it.. Dec 04 06:35:19 textbased Dec 04 06:35:23 and terminator Dec 04 06:35:28 and wyrd Dec 04 06:35:32 :) Dec 04 06:35:42 and kismet Dec 04 06:35:46 man you can do aloot Dec 04 06:35:54 such a great phone Dec 04 06:35:55 i was run the apache in the uni.. Dec 04 06:36:15 it should work ok Dec 04 06:36:21 yes kismet works like a charm.. Dec 04 06:36:26 500mhz+128 ram is well enough Dec 04 06:36:29 but wifi hangs ^^ Dec 04 06:36:32 yea Dec 04 06:36:35 si Dec 04 06:36:45 con 128MB de puta madre ;D Dec 04 06:36:48 why not use the old kernel till they fix it Dec 04 06:36:51 hah si Dec 04 06:37:00 no.. Dec 04 06:37:10 i was tryed aaaaaaaaaaaall the things... Dec 04 06:37:15 and nothings.. Dec 04 06:37:21 nothing* Dec 04 06:37:39 your apt-geting on the phone Dec 04 06:37:43 i was try the 2.6.16 and nothing.. Dec 04 06:37:55 a little more stable but not much Dec 04 06:38:04 yesyes.. Dec 04 06:38:23 i was install lenny and later was upgraded by apt to sid ^^ Dec 04 06:38:34 cool Dec 04 06:38:38 sure.. Dec 04 06:38:54 looks like a really neat phone Dec 04 06:39:12 but i was have to stay all the time looking for the wifi works.. and when it hang ifdown and ifup.. Dec 04 06:39:29 it is.. Dec 04 06:39:36 how does it hang? Dec 04 06:39:41 what does dmsg say? Dec 04 06:39:46 and syslog Dec 04 06:40:00 the wifi begging to show a lot of debug text in console.. Dec 04 06:40:09 and lost the conection... Dec 04 06:40:22 then you must ifdown.. Dec 04 06:40:36 ifup.. and the wifi works a little more time... Dec 04 06:40:57 and at this way all the time.. Dec 04 06:41:03 ah :( Dec 04 06:41:08 yep.. Dec 04 06:41:12 bored Dec 04 06:41:23 perhaps there are module options you could try out Dec 04 06:41:28 some parameters Dec 04 06:41:30 nope Dec 04 06:41:40 nothing to do.. Dec 04 06:41:50 cant compile a old module that worked when you got your phone? Dec 04 06:42:32 we need solve that issues retouching the module in the kernel source or new kernel and new source... Dec 04 06:43:03 and the old kernel is stooped.. becose the new ones have many changes.. Dec 04 06:43:03 what changes have been made i mean Dec 04 06:43:14 and ppl is working in the news ones.. Dec 04 06:43:22 diff those changes and see what has happend Dec 04 06:43:35 i dont know anything about modules so i cant help out Dec 04 06:43:37 hum... Dec 04 06:43:41 many changes.. Dec 04 06:43:42 and all that is coded in C or soething Dec 04 06:44:10 i dont know C, or i do, but so little its embaressing Dec 04 06:44:21 i dunno exactly what.. , but looking in the repos and apply patches i saw that are many many changes.. Dec 04 06:45:01 http://hackaday.com/2008/11/05/getting-root-on-the-g1/#comments Dec 04 06:45:02 and cr2 and tmz and dcordes (ppl in #htc-linux) told me that.. when i speask about.. Dec 04 06:45:07 read the bottom 2 comment Dec 04 06:45:24 thats how its gonna be on the G1 Dec 04 06:45:29 voy.. Dec 04 06:45:34 always waiting for someone to hack the firmware Dec 04 06:45:43 and its gonna be really easy Dec 04 06:45:49 cos eveyr update fixes a security hole Dec 04 06:45:53 and that is always documented Dec 04 06:46:05 its just a matter of looking at the changelog and using those errors :) Dec 04 06:46:13 the 2 last comments? Dec 04 06:46:24 Posted at 2:03 pm on Nov 23rd, 2008 by haNk Dec 04 06:46:26 yes Dec 04 06:46:28 at the bottom Dec 04 06:46:43 bottom abajo.. oki ^^ Dec 04 06:46:48 ah yeah Dec 04 06:46:50 abajo Dec 04 06:47:00 top and bottom ^^ Dec 04 06:47:01 XD Dec 04 06:47:06 and ariba is up Dec 04 06:47:09 no? Dec 04 06:47:09 sisi Dec 04 06:47:10 xD Dec 04 06:47:12 or is that higher? Dec 04 06:47:12 oki Dec 04 06:47:23 arriba is up.. Dec 04 06:47:27 cool Dec 04 06:47:31 at top Dec 04 06:47:58 at top i think that is en lo alto, en la cima arriba del todo, en lo mas alto Dec 04 06:48:38 at the top of himalaya? Dec 04 06:48:39 xD Dec 04 06:48:41 no? Dec 04 06:48:43 XD Dec 04 06:48:47 or what? Dec 04 06:49:15 did you see the last 2 comments Dec 04 06:49:19 in that link i sent? Dec 04 06:49:22 at the bottom Dec 04 06:49:23 abajo Dec 04 06:49:46 youcan install a old firmware (the hacked one) and run it Dec 04 06:49:50 get root Dec 04 06:49:55 hehe yep Dec 04 06:50:29 is like the iphone.. and the fonera.. Dec 04 06:50:30 how expensive is the g1 here in spain? Dec 04 06:50:40 but fonera have ssh Dec 04 06:51:16 i was listern that 120€ con contrato.. (how is contrato on english?) Dec 04 06:51:33 with a contract Dec 04 06:51:44 yep maybe.. Dec 04 06:51:47 but its not called a contract in english Dec 04 06:51:52 its called a carrier i think Dec 04 06:52:02 carrier okey.. Dec 04 06:52:05 a phone carrier == vodaphone etc Dec 04 06:52:14 the fucking paper that you sign... Dec 04 06:52:15 XDDDD Dec 04 06:52:17 how much is it without Dec 04 06:52:23 the paper is a contract Dec 04 06:52:27 "contract" in english Dec 04 06:52:31 yes.. Dec 04 06:52:46 then with contract 120€ Dec 04 06:52:57 how much is just the phone Dec 04 06:53:08 without maybe like in the other places 500€ Dec 04 06:53:14 shit Dec 04 06:53:22 yep Dec 04 06:53:29 are the contracts good here in spain? Dec 04 06:53:36 in england they are horrible Dec 04 06:53:41 expensive Dec 04 06:53:50 they wants tobe the enemies of iphone but without lost money Dec 04 06:53:50 XD Dec 04 06:53:55 fucking bastards.. Dec 04 06:53:55 Xd Dec 04 06:54:13 yea hehe Dec 04 06:54:43 here more spensive i think i dunno how is in uk but here are a crew of stolers Dec 04 06:55:20 if you want use 3G forget that.. Dec 04 06:55:20 XD Dec 04 06:55:44 well if you only go to download email with plain txt... its ok.. Dec 04 06:56:12 but dont think in suft the wole www xD Dec 04 06:56:24 i dont really use 3g Dec 04 06:56:29 becose you can get a pain head? Dec 04 06:56:38 its okey pain head? Dec 04 06:56:39 XD Dec 04 06:57:07 is much better take the open wifis or so ^^ Dec 04 06:57:26 yea Dec 04 06:57:30 i never use 3g Dec 04 06:57:35 too expensive Dec 04 06:57:39 wifi is alot better Dec 04 06:57:59 and on a debian phone i can install a mailserver which would queue up emails Dec 04 06:58:07 and then send them when i get on a wifi net Dec 04 06:58:12 automagically Dec 04 06:58:35 the thing is that you go sign a contract that say that you must to pay a money all the moths calling or not... Dec 04 06:58:52 yes thats why i dont want that, i want just the phone Dec 04 06:59:12 si Dec 04 06:59:19 ese es el tema ^^ Dec 04 06:59:34 this is the thing.. Dec 04 06:59:38 esa es la cosa.. Dec 04 06:59:42 XD Dec 04 07:00:08 http://www.saurik.com/id/10 Dec 04 07:00:10 espera q aver si lo entiendes.. Dec 04 07:00:12 this is a good article Dec 04 07:00:19 espera q a ver si lo entiendes..* Dec 04 07:00:29 its by the guy who hacked the phone Dec 04 07:00:52 i think Dec 04 07:01:42 cuando firmas el contrato, tienes que pagar una cantidad de dinero fija todos los meses, entonces si el contrato es por 2 años.., y pagas 40€ fijos al mes.., en 2 años son mas de 800€ Dec 04 07:02:02 40€ calling or not.. Dec 04 07:02:21 entiendes? Dec 04 07:02:30 you understand? Dec 04 07:02:58 si Dec 04 07:03:01 i do Dec 04 07:03:28 if you pay 20€ moth.. more than 400€ by the G1 Dec 04 07:03:59 later how much pay by the minuts and so.. Dec 04 07:04:06 minutes* Dec 04 07:04:31 using cash simcards here in spain is very expensive Dec 04 07:04:51 i mean if i call someone its very expensive Dec 04 07:04:52 i dunno but you have somethink similar with iphone and telefonica mobistar.. Dec 04 07:05:10 maybe you know this offer.. Dec 04 07:05:18 esa oferta Dec 04 07:05:28 this offert? Dec 04 07:05:30 XD Dec 04 07:05:35 yes i think so Dec 04 07:05:40 its offert in swedish anyway Dec 04 07:05:41 oki Dec 04 07:05:43 :) Dec 04 07:05:57 "en offert" == "una offerta" Dec 04 07:06:02 economical language is a international language.. Dec 04 07:06:06 only money.. Dec 04 07:06:07 Xd Dec 04 07:06:51 let me che the iphone offert for that you check it.. Dec 04 07:07:23 i dont like the iphone though Dec 04 07:07:31 do you? Dec 04 07:08:48 39€ Dec 04 07:08:50 moth Dec 04 07:08:51 XD Dec 04 07:08:54 wait.. Dec 04 07:09:06 this is a spanish flash Dec 04 07:09:19 letme check somethink on english Dec 04 07:09:30 something* Dec 04 07:11:43 nopes on english show belgium.. Dec 04 07:12:01 http://www.iphone.movistar.es/ Dec 04 07:12:18 this is the offerts that you go get here.. Dec 04 07:12:54 iphones are bad though Dec 04 07:12:56 and the G1 i think that will have the sames prices.. Dec 04 07:13:01 ah ok Dec 04 07:13:26 like the n95 at the beggining.. Dec 04 07:13:37 problem with the G1 is the firmware needing to be hackable Dec 04 07:13:48 aham.. Dec 04 07:14:03 yes i show that,.. Dec 04 07:14:04 i think im just gonna code my own scripts for the n95 i have and wait for new mobiles to come on the market Dec 04 07:14:09 saw* Dec 04 07:14:21 i guess this is not a good time to buy a all linux phone yet Dec 04 07:14:35 nope Dec 04 07:14:36 XD Dec 04 07:15:32 becose if we need to hack the phone, and later get the GPIOS and all the info testing in the riped chips.. bad thing.. Dec 04 07:15:45 that need a lot of time.. Dec 04 07:16:03 and ppl that begging and end the work.... and for free... Dec 04 07:16:09 and ppl need money.. Dec 04 07:17:52 or you have the machine.., you know code in C, and you do your own work... or dont know what will happend with your machine.. Dec 04 07:19:46 you can get somthing with linux.. like eeepc or some umpc that comes with ubuntu or whaterver linux Dec 04 07:21:40 ALoGeNo: yeah i have a x61t Dec 04 07:21:44 its kinda small Dec 04 07:21:45 14'' Dec 04 07:21:51 or was it 13 Dec 04 07:21:51 but buy some not native linux machine and hope for a linux distro full working.. maybe now.. is the beggimimg of that time.. becose more ppl is involved with linux in pdas but idunno.. Dec 04 07:21:53 i forget Dec 04 07:22:26 i think i will wait for the GTA03 phone Dec 04 07:22:34 and get that and just live without qwerty Dec 04 07:22:38 it has a stylus Dec 04 07:22:39 i need someone of that eeepc or so.. to work too.. but im too poor for 400€ Dec 04 07:22:40 xD Dec 04 07:22:50 is it 400 Dec 04 07:22:54 thats mcuh Dec 04 07:22:57 buy it from america Dec 04 07:23:01 order it from there Dec 04 07:23:04 its alot cheaper Dec 04 07:23:11 specially how with the economy Dec 04 07:23:20 but the shipping is a lot spensive too Dec 04 07:23:21 Xd Dec 04 07:24:12 i was saw prices in ebay and still a lot spensive.. becose theys are fashion now (esta de moda como decimos aqui) Dec 04 07:25:01 i ordered my x61 from america Dec 04 07:25:02 los eeepc y umpc estan de moda.. Dec 04 07:25:10 how much? Dec 04 07:25:24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9b9dsnTMAg Dec 04 07:25:35 1000 euro i think Dec 04 07:25:45 it was when it was new Dec 04 07:25:51 and it has dual processors Dec 04 07:25:56 4 gig ram Dec 04 07:25:57 etc Dec 04 07:26:22 that one is with the big battery Dec 04 07:26:27 wow Dec 04 07:26:42 nice machien.. Dec 04 07:26:49 machine* Dec 04 07:26:50 yes it is very nice Dec 04 07:26:58 1000€ arrrrrrrrrrr Dec 04 07:26:59 Xd Dec 04 07:27:05 and i have 4 years full warrenty Dec 04 07:27:08 3 years left Dec 04 07:27:22 i sent it in for reperation 4 times last year Dec 04 07:27:26 already paid itself off :D Dec 04 07:27:49 i need something around 200€ and if the bussines goes fine then buy something more spensive.. Dec 04 07:28:08 yes i bought mine cos it was my first good salery Dec 04 07:28:14 i saved money and bought it Dec 04 07:28:24 my previous laptop got stolen Dec 04 07:28:25 hehehe Dec 04 07:28:34 me too Dec 04 07:28:35 xD Dec 04 07:28:41 and at that time i neeed a laptop very much, and i lost all my stuff on it Dec 04 07:28:44 i had alot on it Dec 04 07:28:54 i saw the puta who stole it get beaten though Dec 04 07:28:57 on the street Dec 04 07:29:16 yeah having work.. you can get it.. and working with that much more.. Dec 04 07:29:18 she had broken into a few appartments and when i came home from work the day after another lady was kicker her yelling at her Dec 04 07:29:34 cos she had stolen her stuff too Dec 04 07:30:07 pffffffff Dec 04 07:30:08 XD Dec 04 07:30:13 iiphone is hacked Dec 04 07:30:17 hahahah Dec 04 07:30:57 iphone is hacked? what¿? Dec 04 07:31:45 hey i got my symbian sync script working Dec 04 07:31:47 mohaaha Dec 04 07:31:55 xD Dec 04 07:32:24 hey n95 has acelerometter? Dec 04 07:32:40 its slow though takes about 2 minutes to update my syncs Dec 04 07:32:42 yes it has Dec 04 07:32:55 but you cant really use it Dec 04 07:32:59 its of no real use Dec 04 07:33:00 its cool Dec 04 07:33:03 but not functional Dec 04 07:33:18 but what the fuck use the acelerometer becose i saw one the other day and nothing.. Dec 04 07:33:22 xDDD Dec 04 07:33:28 fucking nokia.. Dec 04 07:33:35 ah Dec 04 07:33:41 it was not intended for use though Dec 04 07:33:41 but what are thinking the ppl man? Dec 04 07:33:45 its for the camera Dec 04 07:33:56 n95 has a 5mpx carl zeiss camera Dec 04 07:33:56 only for the camera? Dec 04 07:34:03 so it uses it to stabilze the image Dec 04 07:34:09 ohhh Dec 04 07:34:11 pffffff Dec 04 07:34:12 its VERy accurate Dec 04 07:34:19 i mean its _good_ Dec 04 07:34:21 madre mia.. Dec 04 07:34:34 i can sit in a car and take photos Dec 04 07:34:34 mama mia.. Dec 04 07:34:48 very good media phone Dec 04 07:34:53 but the new one is waaaaaaaaaay better Dec 04 07:34:55 n97 Dec 04 07:35:04 that one is the puppys nuts Dec 04 07:35:16 yes yes this is a good phone and the camera optica zeis es la ostia ^^ Dec 04 07:35:18 cojones de perro Dec 04 07:35:27 perrita Dec 04 07:35:34 xD Dec 04 07:35:34 or perrito Dec 04 07:35:35 i mean Dec 04 07:35:41 cojones de perrito Dec 04 07:35:44 we say cojones de lorito.. Dec 04 07:35:45 XD Dec 04 07:35:47 puppy Dec 04 07:35:53 whats a lorito Dec 04 07:35:59 parrot..^ Dec 04 07:36:00 XD Dec 04 07:36:01 haha Dec 04 07:36:06 wtf Dec 04 07:36:17 im gonna say that to my bro Dec 04 07:36:20 but tiny parrot.. = lorito.. Dec 04 07:36:44 parrot = loro , tiny parrot = lorito Dec 04 07:37:00 2 days ago Dec 04 07:37:04 iphone got hacked Dec 04 07:37:05 http://www.tomsguide.com/us/iPhone-3G-Apple-linux-jailbreak,news-3061.html Dec 04 07:37:08 ^^ Dec 04 07:37:10 runs linux Dec 04 07:37:59 oh i was thinked that you know it that... Dec 04 07:38:20 i know that from the weekend Dec 04 07:38:21 XD Dec 04 07:38:24 i wonder how open it is Dec 04 07:38:43 i mean can you remove iphones software and only run linux on it? Dec 04 07:38:46 that would be cool :D Dec 04 07:39:06 i was read that gives some isues qith install and restore Dec 04 07:39:29 but now the man was relased a new installer and patch.. Dec 04 07:39:35 for uninstall Dec 04 07:39:58 yep.., but marvell cant get mode monitor Dec 04 07:39:59 XD Dec 04 07:40:10 its a matter of time though Dec 04 07:40:19 but i mean the iphone hardware wise is not very good Dec 04 07:40:23 it has no keyboard Dec 04 07:40:25 at all Dec 04 07:40:31 touchscreens are not very accurate Dec 04 07:40:54 sure.. you lost the wole screem with keyb.. Dec 04 07:41:33 and iphone screen dont work with pen, you need use the fingers dont work with other thing.. Dec 04 07:41:34 XD Dec 04 07:41:43 (this is a little crap..) Dec 04 07:43:17 yesterday i was used my itouch with the globes and fuck .. dont work.. and in the street at -2ºC isnt cool rip out your globes.. to puch the iphone.. Dec 04 07:43:17 XD Dec 04 07:43:28 ipod* Dec 04 07:46:21 thats bad Dec 04 07:47:18 i think im gonna wait for either the g1 to open Dec 04 07:47:25 or for something else to come along Dec 04 07:47:30 its shit though Dec 04 07:47:38 is should really not be that hard Dec 04 07:47:50 i mean i could make a phone better then everyphone on the market Dec 04 07:48:00 make a 100% openphone like the openmoko Dec 04 07:48:08 but i mean shit Dec 04 07:48:16 i could always use a BT keyboard Dec 04 07:48:25 ^^ Dec 04 07:48:30 the resolution is good on the phone Dec 04 07:48:34 openmoko i mean Dec 04 07:48:36 and it has gps Dec 04 07:48:38 yep Dec 04 07:48:43 just the camera missing Dec 04 07:48:48 GTA03 will have one Dec 04 07:48:59 neorunner has 800x600? Dec 04 07:48:59 so i figure i could wait for that and keep using my n95 Dec 04 07:49:02 no Dec 04 07:49:18 jumm.. Dec 04 07:50:28 Display 2.8 in. VGA (480×640) TFT, 282 pixels/in. Dec 04 07:50:32 good enough Dec 04 07:50:41 2.8 is not good good but ok Dec 04 07:50:59 battery is really bad though Dec 04 07:52:57 time for me to sleep a few hours Dec 04 07:52:58 then work Dec 04 07:57:45 morning Dec 04 07:59:17 morning methril Dec 04 07:59:30 hey sebbs nice to meet you.. Dec 04 07:59:43 see you later i hope ^^ Dec 04 09:21:59 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r1b917c5f15 10openembedded.git/packages/gdal/gdal_1.5.2.bb: gdal: ARM_INSTRUCTION_SET = "arm" Dec 04 09:32:56 morning Dec 04 09:37:17 hi blinder Dec 04 09:39:22 sers woglinde :) Dec 04 09:57:53 lo Dec 04 09:58:01 hi gerwini Dec 04 09:58:17 Hey woglinde :) Dec 04 09:58:26 woglinde you are going to fosdem this year ? Dec 04 10:03:12 gerwini I do not think so Dec 04 10:03:29 have to finish my colleauge Dec 04 10:07:18 woglinde: your colleage? :) shall I call the police in advance to handcuff you right away? ;) Dec 04 10:15:40 hi blindman, woglinde Dec 04 10:20:16 morning pb Dec 04 10:22:38 morning guys Dec 04 10:24:36 hi jineld Dec 04 10:24:49 hi woglinde Dec 04 10:25:19 sers jin Dec 04 10:25:49 BlindMan: your name sounds familiar... :) Dec 04 10:25:57 where do I know you from? Dec 04 10:25:57 Jin^eLD: yeah, blinder in ircnet Dec 04 10:26:05 aah, hehe Dec 04 10:26:06 sers Dec 04 10:26:08 Jin^eLD: fachschaft informatik? sid/faz/etc? :) Dec 04 10:26:13 been quie a while ;) Dec 04 10:26:17 s/quie/quite/ Dec 04 10:26:18 yep, definately :) Dec 04 10:29:56 good morning Dec 04 10:31:12 hi florian Dec 04 10:32:47 hi robert Dec 04 11:00:21 hi zecke Dec 04 11:01:09 ho Dec 04 11:17:00 woglinde: are you at home or at work? Dec 04 11:17:06 at work Dec 04 11:19:22 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r50a6645954 10openembedded.git/classes/mime.bbclass: mime.bbclass: check whether update-mime-database is executable before trying to call it and move prerm to postrm Dec 04 11:24:37 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * rd5012b7d09 10openembedded.git/classes/mime.bbclass: mime bbclass: RDEPEND on share-mime-info since we want to run its utils Dec 04 11:27:32 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * rcd346b7840 10openembedded.git/classes/mime.bbclass: mime.bbclass: inform user that u-m-d will take a while Dec 04 11:30:26 http://blogs.sun.com/GeorgeTrujillo/entry/advantages_of_solaris_and_opensolaris haha Dec 04 11:39:47 zecke: hehe Dec 04 11:43:01 zecke: maybe they want to donate an opensolaris bb ;) Dec 04 11:44:27 hail zecke Dec 04 11:44:28 hi florian Dec 04 11:44:35 Ah Linux has difficulties with SMP... I kid you not... linux1.2 was pretty bad with SMP... Dec 04 11:44:50 oh and linux 2.6 runs on 4096 CPU SGI machines... Dec 04 11:44:53 hey pb__ Dec 04 11:44:55 *morons* at sun Dec 04 11:48:25 hi, all! Dec 04 11:50:41 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r58b7e35080 10openembedded.git/packages/shared-mime-info/shared-mime-info_0.51.bb: shared-mime-info: put freedesktop.org.xml in its own package Dec 04 11:50:45 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r0da3848b94 10openembedded.git/classes/mime.bbclass: mime.bcclass: automagically add RDEPENDS on package containing freedesktop-mime-info when detecting the need for it Dec 04 11:50:58 could anybody advice some short sk_buff tutorial (The Linux Networking is here already) Dec 04 11:53:42 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r3d048c670d 10openembedded.git/packages/ (bluez/bluez-gnome_0.26.bb nautilus/nautilus_2.24.1.bb): nautilus, blurz-gnome: bump PR for mime change Dec 04 12:20:36 re Dec 04 12:20:45 wb Dec 04 12:25:56 re Dec 04 12:26:33 if you had to implement simple audio playback (mp3, flac) on ARM, what library would you pick to do the decoding? Dec 04 12:27:01 Jin^eLD: you don't want mp3 Dec 04 12:27:14 Jin^eLD: libtremor for the vorbis payload, libogg for the ogg container :) Dec 04 12:27:17 zecke: unfortunately I do (why not btw?) Dec 04 12:27:29 zecke: it should play as much stuff as possible :> Dec 04 12:27:35 libmad does integer decoding of mp3 Dec 04 12:27:36 so far I am thinking about gstreamer Dec 04 12:27:51 hm I wonder why koen didnt test vlc stuff Dec 04 12:27:59 adn disabled avcodec Dec 04 12:28:03 Jin^eLD: licensing situation around mp3 is pretty weird Dec 04 12:28:14 ae dont disbabled avcodec Dec 04 12:28:16 I know, but that's only some demo stuff that I have to do Dec 04 12:28:22 Jin^eLD: your options for mp3: libmad (integer decoding) and fluendo's mp3 plugin Dec 04 12:28:39 zecke: thanks, I'll have a look at those then Dec 04 12:28:52 libmad is a GPL violation in itself, fluendo's mp3 plugin might lack integer support but is MIT licensed Dec 04 12:29:27 GPL violation in itself? :) Dec 04 12:30:16 Jin^eLD: even the distribution of the libmad source is not legal according to the GPL Dec 04 12:30:43 I want to remove the link from tmp to nfs Dec 04 12:30:47 distribution of the source is illegal? that sounds interesting Dec 04 12:31:03 Does anybody know how I can achieve this ? Dec 04 12:32:26 Jin^eLD: section 7.) of the GPLv2 :) Dec 04 12:32:30 I am getting : Stale NFS file handle all the time :( Dec 04 12:33:11 jineld mp3 patent Dec 04 12:33:56 Jin^eLD: the only legal option is to ask fluendo do build you a mp3 decoder plugin with your toolchain for ARM (you may not even build it yourself) :) Dec 04 12:34:25 zecke fluendo has bought a mp3 license? Dec 04 12:35:28 woglinde: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=fluendo+mp3 Dec 04 12:36:37 zecke hm seems you need another beat down Dec 04 12:37:14 woglinde: i just wanted to show you guys that cool service :) Dec 04 12:37:34 hahahaaaa Dec 04 12:38:53 hm Dec 04 12:39:02 thats scary Dec 04 12:39:07 what? Dec 04 12:39:37 if you ship the binary mp3 plugin you must be sure no to ship a gpl plugin which works with the mp3 plugin Dec 04 12:48:32 :) Dec 04 12:50:12 what was the trick to use deploy/ipk as a repository for ipkg updates? Dec 04 12:50:31 03Holger Hans Peter Freyther  07org.openembedded.dev * r332d828176 10openembedded.git/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Dec 04 12:50:31 coreutils: Build and package df of coreutils Dec 04 12:50:31 - df can only be build if one of the many statvfs,fsusage Dec 04 12:50:31 was is present. These tests work by executing a test application Dec 04 12:50:31 and that is obviously not working out when cross compiling Dec 04 12:50:35 - all linux (glibc, eglibc, uclibc) should have the bsize in the Dec 04 12:50:37 struct statvfs... and this will enable the build of df. Dec 04 12:50:39 03Holger Hans Peter Freyther  07org.openembedded.dev * rd6049dce56 10openembedded.git/packages/coreutils/ (coreutils-6.0/futimens.patch coreutils_6.0.bb): coreutils: Make version 6.0 compile by applying a futimens patch as well Dec 04 12:50:41 adding it to the /etc/opkg/*.conf foo? Dec 04 12:51:12 ipkg update claimed that it got the new packages, but ipkg upgrade does not install newer revisions Dec 04 12:51:29 Jin^eLD: did you update the Packages file? Dec 04 12:52:16 how? I'd think it happens automagically? Dec 04 12:52:34 or do I need to run some extra task for that? Dec 04 12:53:25 Jin^eLD: it happens automatically when you build a image... Dec 04 12:53:28 bitbake package-index Dec 04 12:55:03 thanks! Dec 04 12:57:28 hmm Dec 04 12:57:39 ipkg update followed by an upgrade - still no new revisions fetched Dec 04 13:01:25 although package-index built without errors.. Dec 04 13:01:55 do I have to add one url per arch? Dec 04 13:02:02 i.e. one for "all", one for "arm" etc? Dec 04 13:02:06 or just the toplevel ipk ? Dec 04 13:04:19 ok that was it Dec 04 13:04:27 had to enter a link to each directory Dec 04 13:04:27 thanks Dec 04 13:51:28 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r477b179c61 10openembedded.git/packages/mythtv/mythtv.inc: mythtv: ARM_INSTRUCTION_SET = "arm" Dec 04 13:59:36 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r89075e2a85 10openembedded.git/packages/tracker/tracker_0.5.4.bb: tracker: stage everything Dec 04 14:00:28 03Dmitry Baryshkov  07org.openembedded.dev * r4759f5627a 10openembedded.git/packages/linux/ (linux-rp-2.6.24/defconfig-tosa linux-rp_2.6.24.bb): Dec 04 14:00:28 linux-rp-2.6.24: update tosa defconfig Dec 04 14:00:28 enable KEYBOARD_GPIO and INPUT_POWER on tosa Dec 04 14:00:28 Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov Dec 04 14:00:35 03Dmitry Baryshkov  07org.openembedded.dev * r47fc3bdbfa 10openembedded.git/conf/machine/tosa.conf: Dec 04 14:00:35 tosa: add apm-tosa-suspendfix to MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMENDS Dec 04 14:00:35 Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov Dec 04 14:00:37 03Dmitry Baryshkov  07org.openembedded.dev * r85e93fe72e 10openembedded.git/packages/sylpheed/claws-plugin-rssyl_0.18.bb: Dec 04 14:00:40 claws-plugin-rssyl: fix compilation Dec 04 14:00:42 Drop do_configure() as it breaks compilation. autotools.bbclass Dec 04 14:00:44 provide better alternative that works. Dec 04 14:00:46 Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov Dec 04 14:00:48 03Dmitry Baryshkov  07org.openembedded.dev * rc79020ca43 10openembedded.git/packages/tasks/task-base.bb: Dec 04 14:00:51 task-base: bump PR as I've changed tosa MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMENDS Dec 04 14:00:53 Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov Dec 04 14:00:55 03Dmitry Baryshkov  07org.openembedded.dev * r8701797386 10openembedded.git/packages/gphoto2/ (files/gphoto-popt-fixup.patch gphoto2_2.4.2.bb): Dec 04 14:01:02 gphoto2: correct popt selection madness Dec 04 14:01:04 test for gphoto failed on my system, as is ended always trying to link Dec 04 14:01:08 popt from /usr/lib64. Dec 04 14:01:13 Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov Dec 04 14:01:17 03Dmitry Baryshkov  07org.openembedded.dev * rea9fbdbb54 10openembedded.git/packages/apmd/ (apm-tosa-suspendfix_0.1.bb files/50-tmio-ohci-unbind): Dec 04 14:01:20 apm-tosa-suspendfix: tosa-specific suspend w/around Dec 04 14:01:22 add tosa-specific suspend workaround, that will unbind ohci-hcd Dec 04 14:01:24 before entering suspend and rebind it again after resuming. Dec 04 14:01:26 Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov Dec 04 14:01:32 03Dmitry Baryshkov  07org.openembedded.dev * r565535c61a 10openembedded.git/conf/checksums.ini: Dec 04 14:01:35 checksums: new checksum for claws-plugin-mailmbox Dec 04 14:01:37 The origin tarball for claws-plugin-mailmbox has changed. Dec 04 14:01:39 No source changes though. Update checksums.ini to reflect new file. Dec 04 14:01:41 Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov Dec 04 14:01:43 03Dmitry Baryshkov  07org.openembedded.dev * r1b0f44dc7c 10openembedded.git/packages/sylpheed/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Dec 04 14:01:50 claws-plugin-mailmbox: update to reflect the current Gtk API Dec 04 14:01:52 Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov Dec 04 14:01:54 03Dmitry Baryshkov  07org.openembedded.dev * re8dd0bfcba 10openembedded.git/packages/sylpheed/claws-mail_3.6.1.bb: Dec 04 14:01:57 claws-mail: stage headers to let claws plugins compile Dec 04 14:02:01 Signed-off-by: Dmitry Baryshkov Dec 04 14:02:05 03Dmitry Baryshkov  07org.openembedded.dev * r8ad80633a4 10openembedded.git/packages/qemu/ (qemu-0.9.1+svn/fix_baum_c_compilation.patch qemu_svn.bb): Dec 04 14:02:08 (5 lines omitted) Dec 04 14:09:40 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * rea0eb2b128 10openembedded.git/packages/nautilus/nautilus_2.24.1.bb: nautilus: enable tracker backend Dec 04 14:09:50 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r102f1b6fc7 10openembedded.git/: Merge branch 'org.openembedded.dev' of git@git.openembedded.net:openembedded into org.openembedded.dev Dec 04 14:09:51 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r35317b469e 10openembedded.git/packages/policykit/policykit_0.9.bb: policykit: fix another c/p error Dec 04 14:23:52 ffmpeg compile wants to use ldconfig? Dec 04 14:25:26 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/586827 Dec 04 14:25:33 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r0936a4f8ce 10openembedded.git/conf/bitbake.conf: bitbake.conf: add QEMU_OPTION for armv6-novfp Dec 04 14:25:38 why would it call ldconfig? Dec 04 14:28:22 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r89c56a2150 10openembedded.git/packages/emacs/emacs.inc: emacs.inc: use QEMU_OPTIONS Dec 04 14:32:15 it wans to help you... *shudders* Dec 04 14:35:40 is something strange happening with log.do_rootfs files in OE? now they have > 100MB with some i suppose git messages which sometimes has word Fail in it, which makes rootfs log checker very angry at me :( Dec 04 14:39:08 zecke: it wants to help me to what? that's from the output from the ffmpeg OE recipe Dec 04 14:42:01 Jin^eLD: yes, illfated help though... it calls ldconfig so it can find your newly installed libs... Dec 04 14:42:06 now idea why it is doing that for you Dec 04 14:42:38 I'd have to look at the recipe, but right now I can probably live wihtout ffmpeg Dec 04 14:42:46 I'm going to build vlc and write something on top that controls it Dec 04 14:42:54 this way I will not have to mess with the decoders directly Dec 04 14:42:56 * XorA bets it just needs a # added to the Makefile Dec 04 14:43:03 but can just hook vlc to my UI Dec 04 14:43:05 people tend to be overly helpful in Makefiles Dec 04 14:55:36 I found where it happened.. Dec 04 14:55:38 + cd /home/projects/OE/org.openembedded.dev/packages Dec 04 14:55:38 ++ git-log -n1 --pretty=oneline Dec 04 14:55:38 ++ awk '{print $1}' Dec 04 14:55:40 + echo VERSION: commit Merge: Author: Dec 04 14:56:10 and the last line is quite long... 51 193 780 Dec 04 14:59:48 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r0d4ff93f04 10openembedded.git/packages/glibc/glibc-package.bbclass: glibc-package.bbclass: add -s 1048576 (yes, it's a hack) to qemu args to work on x86_64 hosts Dec 04 15:02:13 morning Dec 04 15:02:23 hi kergotj Dec 04 15:02:30 yo kergie Dec 04 15:03:22 sorry its defined in conf/distro/openmoko.conf so I should ask there.. :) Dec 04 15:14:21 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r177817f60e 10openembedded.git/packages/angstrom/angstrom-version.bb: angstrom-version: include branch and revision Dec 04 15:17:02 Hi All, I am using a gcc cross-compiler (PC --> ARM) and I was wondering if there is a way to extract the size of the built in integer types? I don't have a screen attached to this thing so I can't use sizeof. Dec 04 15:27:11 morning Dec 04 15:27:14 hi hrw Dec 04 15:27:20 how are you? Dec 04 15:27:27 fine thanks Dec 04 15:27:50 hrw: greetings Dec 04 15:27:53 hm asking because seeing you joining only later the day Dec 04 15:28:07 a bit pissed off due to Polish gov offices Dec 04 15:28:15 hm Dec 04 15:28:20 what happen? Dec 04 15:28:35 to get package from fedex I need to send them company papers. and one of those papers == 6-7h trip tomorrow Dec 04 15:28:55 moving company between cities hurts badly in .pl Dec 04 15:29:13 hms Dec 04 15:29:26 is vlc supposed to compile on uclibc? Dec 04 15:29:52 hrw: that's insane Dec 04 15:30:10 prpplague: thats poland Dec 04 15:30:21 hrw: hehe Dec 04 15:30:55 prpplague: of course I can give filled form here but they will send it there, there will fill some data into system, then local office can check does data is changed and give me paper Dec 04 15:31:04 prpplague: ETA: 1-2 weeks Dec 04 15:31:30 alternative: I go there, give filled form and take paper after 15 minutes. but 6h on train trips Dec 04 15:34:23 Jin^eLD try disable avcodec and it should compile Dec 04 15:35:20 hrw: what distro argument were you using with the 8050 build? "angstrom-2008.1" ? Dec 04 15:41:27 woglinde: I did that already Dec 04 15:41:34 woglinde: I think it might be uclibc related.. Dec 04 15:41:43 jineld whats the problem? Dec 04 15:42:05 they are trying to figure out what clock to use Dec 04 15:42:28 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/586893 Dec 04 15:42:31 thats the code Dec 04 15:42:43 looks like the logic does not work out Dec 04 15:43:46 prpplague: yes Dec 04 15:43:52 * hrw -> late lunch Dec 04 15:44:50 Jin^eLD hm check in the uclibc code about it Dec 04 15:44:57 I wonder if the _POSIX_CLOCK_SELECTION is something "common", i.e. used by libc or if thats a vlc invention Dec 04 15:44:58 sorry do not know at hand Dec 04 15:44:59 does it look familiar? Dec 04 15:45:52 nope Dec 04 15:45:53 hrw: i assume i can use a similar site.conf file as i did when using poky? Dec 04 15:48:02 on my PC its in /usr/include/bits/posix_opt.h Dec 04 15:48:10 so that seems to be a libc thing Dec 04 15:48:55 its also there in staging Dec 04 15:54:16 and that header should be included by unistd.h, lets see Dec 04 15:55:34 the question is - by which one of them, there are like, 6 unistd.h files in staging Dec 04 15:56:20 03Robert Schuster  07org.openembedded.dev * rb13dd80ead 10openembedded.git/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: Updated to midpath rc2. Dec 04 15:56:21 03Robert Schuster  07org.openembedded.dev * r569d9b7c6f 10openembedded.git/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Updated midpath entry (rc1 to rc2). Dec 04 15:56:31 03Robert Schuster  07org.openembedded.dev * r84689e0620 10openembedded.git/packages/midpath/ (28 files in 2 dirs): Dec 04 15:56:31 midpath: Updated all recipes to rc2. Dec 04 15:56:31 midpath-openmoko: Use alsa backend. Dec 04 15:57:27 arm-angstrom-linux-uclibcgnueabi/usr/include/unistd.h is the unistd.h that has the posix_opt.h include.... Dec 04 15:58:04 * * OE Bug 2134 has been RESOLVED (WONTFIX) by dbaryshkov(AT)gmail.com Dec 04 15:58:06 * * Tosa Angstrom x11 image suspend/resume failure Dec 04 15:58:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2134 Dec 04 16:00:46 prpplague: DISTRO="angstrom-2008.1" MACHINE="m8050" should be enough Dec 04 16:06:49 woglinde: they assume that if _POSIX_CLOCK_SELECTION is defined, then CLOCK_NANOSLEEP must also be available - which for some reason is not the case Dec 04 16:07:26 jineld sorry I do not know the posix standard Dec 04 16:08:41 nanosleep is in -lrt? Dec 04 16:08:46 does uclibc have that? Dec 04 16:08:51 or what is rt part of? Dec 04 16:11:20 yes lrt should be there Dec 04 16:11:40 as in - already when I build uclibc, or do I have to bitbake some package to get it? Dec 04 16:12:09 its a normal lib that shipps with uclibc Dec 04 16:12:18 http://www.philippwesche.org/200811/whohas/intro.html is cute Dec 04 16:12:54 I'll have a closer look then, if it has the nanosleep function Dec 04 16:14:37 hrw: well it looks to be building Dec 04 16:14:59 hm seems it is not in librt Dec 04 16:15:08 but in libc self Dec 04 16:15:21 I did not find it in the menuconfig Dec 04 16:15:29 I wonder if it is implemented at all Dec 04 16:15:49 brb, will grab some food Dec 04 16:22:09 hm Dec 04 16:22:13 serial console Dec 04 16:22:17 uos Dec 04 16:43:30 Anyone around that knows how to poke Koen? Dec 04 16:43:40 I don't want to revert and replace http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=commit;h=6348b3baf7a61fc07626a3ecb29b539d438cfb4f w/o checking with him Dec 04 16:44:30 Tartarus: he is offline at the moment Dec 04 16:44:36 I did mail oe-devel but he hasn't replied, yet Dec 04 16:44:37 k Dec 04 16:45:04 Ill nudge him if he reapears Dec 04 16:45:35 thanks Dec 04 16:45:49 i'm gonna ready the commit since khem thinks i'm right as to the why Dec 04 16:58:43 yeah Dec 04 16:58:50 oops wrong wndow Dec 04 17:00:39 Hi !! Dec 04 17:02:21 Last revision of gstreamer package ( r4) is not longuer building for me. I have that error : Dec 04 17:02:38 | /bin/bash: /home/drakou/OE/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/mkdir: No such file or directory Dec 04 17:02:38 | make[4]: *** [install-libLTLIBRARIES] Error 127 Dec 04 17:03:37 re Dec 04 17:04:03 Why is make trying to use a native mkdir ?? instead of the system one Dec 04 17:05:41 possibly because mkdir works differenly on various systems? Dec 04 17:06:16 hmm... shouldn't install be used instead of mkdir? Dec 04 17:06:32 I 've just updated my OE git repos, and now, gstreamer make install is failling because of that error, but the others packages are fine Dec 04 17:08:38 I linked my native system mkdir to the right path to make it happy : but new error : Dec 04 17:08:46 | ../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-libtool: line 941: /home/drakou/OE/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/install: No such file or directory Dec 04 17:08:46 | make[4]: *** [install-libLTLIBRARIES] Error 127 Dec 04 17:10:11 Hmm Dec 04 17:10:17 I think you need to rebuild a package Dec 04 17:10:24 mainly the one that provides mkinstall, install, etc Dec 04 17:10:28 wich one ? Dec 04 17:10:31 * Tartarus tries to think what that is, heh Dec 04 17:10:39 which sorry Dec 04 17:10:57 coreutils-native, perhaps Dec 04 17:11:09 ok I try that Dec 04 17:11:12 NAiL "nailed" the problem, I think ;) Dec 04 17:11:25 mwester which? Dec 04 17:12:53 ->package coreutils-native-5.3.0: started Dec 04 17:13:07 IIRC in some cases configure will fall back to mkdir if install is not present, which could explain why it is looking for "/usr/bin/mkdir" in the same place it would normally be instructed to find "install" Dec 04 17:13:11 But my question is : Why the only package failing is gstreamer Dec 04 17:13:41 All packages are using install Dec 04 17:14:38 damnit, i cant figure out how best to do this script.. this sure is a lot of work just for a proof of concept Dec 04 17:14:54 kergoth? Dec 04 17:15:31 It's working !! thank you Tartarus Dec 04 17:15:56 woglinde: making a script to take a package in the OpenEmbedded repo and convert it into a standalone git repo containing the upstream sources, with each of our patches as a git topic branch, and the recipe metadata in the source tree Dec 04 17:16:03 woglinde: to see how viable such a thing would be Dec 04 17:16:29 figuring out how to arrange the branches for all the possible variants of a patch between FILESPATH and OVERRIDES is hurting my head Dec 04 17:16:49 uh Dec 04 17:16:57 nice idea Dec 04 17:19:29 was thinking about doing that ,then using the 'repo' tool that the android folks did to pull the various repositories together into a build Dec 04 17:19:33 heh Dec 04 17:21:34 maybe i'll just punt it, make the branches and not have them share any history between variants, might be able to determine branching points and stuff later, after the fact with tools like git-cherry Dec 04 17:21:36 * kergoth scratches head Dec 04 17:32:11 art jvlc Dec 04 17:32:14 ~lart jvlc Dec 04 17:32:15 * ibot holds jvlc to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails Dec 04 17:45:53 Tartarus: you should revert that change I think because there is a better way I think to use --disable-werror config option if you want to use it Dec 04 17:46:34 We do not need to hack configure script Dec 04 17:47:18 but its preferred to use -werror and patch sources if we can Dec 04 17:51:08 Personally, I like -Werror on cross compile stuff Dec 04 17:51:14 it's just these are semi stupid errors Dec 04 17:51:27 otoh, it found a bug in mtd/ubi stuff I need to submit upstream Dec 04 17:51:38 But yeah, I'll push this patch soon, just doing a build now Dec 04 17:52:47 we really need to get better at pushing our patches upstream Dec 04 17:53:00 too many obvious hacks are still around that shouldve been cleaned up ages ago Dec 04 17:53:05 not that i'm volunteering.. Dec 04 17:56:53 Tartarus: So it that the only patch needed to get gdb building with -Werror Dec 04 17:57:57 I used gcc 4.3 when I was playing with Intrepid Alpha Dec 04 17:58:14 and I saw many warnings Dec 04 17:58:33 opkg is was one of the package that failed to compile with 4.3 due to warnings Dec 04 17:59:56 yeah, i think khem fixed a bunch of stuff Dec 04 18:00:02 some properly, some hackishly :) Dec 04 18:00:23 bbiab, feeding baby Dec 04 18:01:38 opkg *should* fail to compile with *any* compiler. ;-) Dec 04 18:09:43 How does one specify a particular kernel version in bitbake/OE? Dec 04 18:10:28 03Robert Schuster  07org.openembedded.dev * r3608729280 10openembedded.git/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Removed openttd entries not available as recipes any more, added 0.6.3. Dec 04 18:10:28 03Robert Schuster  07org.openembedded.dev * r7004b2467a 10openembedded.git/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: Set preference of openttd to 0.6.3. Dec 04 18:10:35 03Robert Schuster  07org.openembedded.dev * reee80d2552 10openembedded.git/packages/openttd/ (files/openttd_0.6.2-buildfix.patch openttd_0.6.2.bb): openttd: Updated to 0.6.3. Dec 04 18:11:29 robtow: PREFERRED_VERSION_[provider you want to specify the version of]. see the sane versions inc files in conf/distro/ Dec 04 18:13:05 * * OE Bug 4901 has been created by  Dec 04 18:13:07 * * osso-gnome-vfs2-2.16.3-autobuild Dec 04 18:13:09 * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4901 Dec 04 18:14:08 doh.. compiling vlc is not an easy task Dec 04 18:15:27 kergoth: when the 8050 is release in january, probably want to see if we can pick a handful of people that would be good to send free hardware to Dec 04 18:16:08 prpplague, 8050? Dec 04 18:16:21 http://www.elinux.org/M8050 Dec 04 18:16:45 Thanks Chris Dec 04 18:20:37 prpplague: what sort of work will they be wanting done on it? i certainly wouldnt mind being one of those people, i haven't done any real work with an actual device in a while. heh Dec 04 18:21:19 kergoth: nothing specific, i was just hoping for some more diverse support for it Dec 04 18:21:27 ah, thats cool Dec 04 18:21:33 kergoth: hrw has already added the machine id to OE Dec 04 18:21:54 kergoth: i started to offer you one, but i figured there might be a conflict with your work Dec 04 18:22:57 hmm, maybe i should re-read some of the paperwork i signed when i took the job Dec 04 18:22:59 hehe Dec 04 18:25:06 kergoth: basically just want it pretty easy for thirdparties to build up custom images for the unit Dec 04 18:25:37 * mwester bets he can paraphrase: "Every thing, thought, invention, action, or even anticipated action belongs to the employer, who in addition to owning your life, has the ability to terminate your employement without cause or reason, but in doing so does not give up any rights to your thoughts, actions, inventions, or things." <-- pretty standard in US employment agreements. Dec 04 18:26:15 California is a bit more liberal in employment agreements. Dec 04 18:26:31 However, you have to be careful to not use company owned machines or facilities. Dec 04 18:26:42 And not engage in direct competition. Dec 04 18:26:47 yeah Dec 04 18:27:31 In this case - I imagine that the particular employer might be agreeable. Dec 04 18:27:51 I've been advised that the best bet is to make your boss aware of your hobby, and get something that indicates that he/she has no interest in it. Dec 04 18:28:44 i've been lucky in that i've not yet been bitten in the real world by these things... i mean, theoretically they can claim ownership over all this stuff i woudlnt want them to, but practically they dont, and often encourage release of oss stuff Dec 04 18:29:25 yeah if companies are leveraging OSS they dont mind I guess Dec 04 18:30:47 but then, the main companies i worked for were TI and MV, and both are pretty decent players in the community when it comes to source changes Dec 04 18:31:12 random joe blow company producing a Linux based product would probably be a whole different ballgame Dec 04 18:31:13 heh Dec 04 18:32:00 Hello all. Is there a good FAQ on really making developer level use out of OE? Most of the questions on the wiki are really trivial. I'm a long time user of emerge/portage and I'm still having difficulty doing "common" things. Dec 04 18:32:40 For instance: I want to tell a bb package that it is dirty and for it to redo configure, compile, and build steps. But bb -c rebuild it too costly as it rebuilds the entire package! Dec 04 18:33:08 could remove the configure stamp Dec 04 18:33:24 dont think theres an existing task for that, but you could make one easily enough Dec 04 18:34:02 perfect..... makea task -- even better! I'm not pushed off by the python classes, I've spent enough time trapsing in there to understand the incrementals. Dec 04 18:34:12 So would I add this to the kernel class? Dec 04 18:34:49 could add it to build/classes/mycrap.bbclass and set INHERIT += "mycrap" Dec 04 18:34:50 The same thing follows for a build. I assume I have to remove all task stamps, build, deploy, etc. Dec 04 18:35:16 ok. Thanks! Dec 04 18:36:18 When the new stamps are created, will a dependent package (say console-image) automatically know it needs to rebuild the fs, or would I need to also deal w/ timestamps there? Dec 04 18:37:09 we wouldnt want a package to rebuild whenever any of its deps change, would be rebuilding shit left and right. think you'll have to rebuild console-image yourself. that one is fast enough, might as well -c rebuild it Dec 04 18:38:33 tomasg_: koen reminded me that you can also bitbake -f -c configure to force a rerun of configure, and thatll invalidate the other stamps, so when you rerun bitbake again after that itll redo the rest Dec 04 18:38:39 two step process, but it should do Dec 04 18:39:04 Hmm.. ok... In the past (pre-bitbake) I work Makefile and/or ant scripts to generate the BSP kernel+fs. It was actually desirable to touch one thing and have that cascade into a viable output.. Dec 04 18:39:16 s/work/wrote Dec 04 18:42:39 I supose I need a script to dump deps. Say I change my glibc, now I want everything rebuilt against the new glibc.. Dec 04 18:42:50 no shortcut? Dec 04 18:48:14 hmm, for some reason vlc plugins are put in .debug directories Dec 04 18:48:19 so they do not make it into the main package Dec 04 18:48:21 i.e. ./usr/lib/vlc/mux/.debug/libmux_ogg_plugin.so Dec 04 18:48:45 so they are not picked up and do not go into the ipk, end up in -dbg package Dec 04 18:48:49 has anyone seen this? Dec 04 18:57:25 tomasg_, you can recompile a package with "bitbake -c compile -force foo" (or so) works for other tasks too. Dec 04 18:58:46 tomasg_, and if you want to foo to rebuild automatically if some of it deps changes you can play with BB_STAMP_POLICY. But not many people use it. Dec 04 19:01:35 thesing: thanx. What I'm try to do is script the composition of my own custom kernel/custom rootfs *based* on someone else's distro.. Dec 04 19:02:52 As I develop, I want to make a mode and re-gen everything to re-test.. A more simple approach might just be to create a distro myself and maintain what goes in and how it's rebuilt.. Is this the right idea? Is there a good tut on new OE distros? Dec 04 19:05:17 tomasg_, you probably only want to create an own image. Dec 04 19:05:32 Jin^eLD: you asked about clock_nanosleep () support in uclibc. Support is added in nptl branch which should merge into trunk shortly Dec 04 19:06:00 tomasg_, a disto in oe only selects which versions of packages to choose and some other policies Dec 04 19:06:58 mixed up windows Dec 04 19:06:58 :) Dec 04 19:07:04 khem: thx, uclibc should not define _POSIX_CLOCK_SELECTION then Dec 04 19:07:38 _POSIX_CLOCK_SELECTION means pthread_condattr_setclock() is available and I was told that makes no sense if clock_gettime and clock_nanosleep are not there Dec 04 19:09:48 I'm off, l8r Dec 04 19:14:48 probably yes. pthread_condattr_setclock is also not implemented Dec 04 19:28:24 thesing: ok.. I'll look through the images and see if I can figure out how to control which packages are incl/excl.. Since the distro selects versions, can I override in the image recipe? Dec 04 19:32:53 tomasg_: bitbake -cconfigure package -f Dec 04 19:36:40 Jin^eLD: are you sure those are the plugins themselves, and not their debug data? Dec 04 19:39:26 * cbrake wonders why OE recipes based on git sources don't inlude git repository data in working directory like svn? Dec 04 19:39:45 git is very handy to be able to check stuff into SVN from OE working directory Dec 04 19:39:47 size of .git/ can be huge compared to source? Dec 04 19:39:49 *it is Dec 04 19:39:55 hrw: probably so Dec 04 19:40:16 hrw: where with SVN its more like 2x your source Dec 04 19:40:57 ohh, well, its trivial to simply check out the source or copy an existing tree into the working directory for development Dec 04 19:41:13 hmm Dec 04 19:41:13 it is nice through not having an extra directory in every dir in your source tree though. Dec 04 19:41:33 timtimred: git doesnt put a .git in every dir in the source tree, only at the root Dec 04 19:41:39 svn puts them in every dir Dec 04 19:41:46 yes thats what i mean :) Dec 04 19:41:51 ah, right :) Dec 04 19:42:19 * timtimred got samba 3.2.5 building... Dec 04 19:42:23 cbrake: we do a clone for the fetch, no? does it just not include the .git when it copies it into the workdir? Dec 04 19:42:41 kergoth: I can't find any evidence in my working dirs :-) Dec 04 19:42:49 kernel 2.6.28-rc7 tree takes 1.3GB and .git takes 0.96GB Dec 04 19:42:50 * cbrake looks at git fetcher ... Dec 04 19:43:09 seems odd. you can do a clone with hard links, the .git neednt take up any extra space in the workdir Dec 04 19:43:36 kergoth: that seems ideal Dec 04 19:45:32 cbrake: itd just need to do a git clone -l for the unpack if the source is git:// Dec 04 19:45:37 heh Dec 04 19:45:45 assuming we clone in the git fetcher from upstream Dec 04 19:46:23 cbrake: alternatively, it could do a clone -s, which sets up alternates to point to the fetch for the objects Dec 04 19:46:32 either one would take care of it Dec 04 19:46:55 course, -s would be more portable, filesystem wise Dec 04 19:52:13 looks like bb git fetcher uses git-checkout-index which must not include the repo data Dec 04 19:53:18 so all the scm fetchers must create tarballs that are then used by the generic fetcher code ... Dec 04 19:55:33 eh Dec 04 19:55:51 git should be different. you can always extract old versions of things from the repo, dont need the tarballs Dec 04 19:55:58 for client/server scms, sure Dec 04 19:56:01 maybe Dec 04 19:56:03 * kergoth shrugs Dec 04 19:56:12 kergoth: except source mirrors which handle tarballs... Dec 04 19:56:46 true, but i doubt the clone is that terribly much longer than the tarball fetch, and you'd only have to clone once for all versions of that package we ever have Dec 04 19:56:53 * kergoth shrugs Dec 04 20:03:56 g'day kergoth Dec 04 20:04:01 hey pb_ Dec 04 20:04:04 how goes it? Dec 04 20:05:54 yeah, pretty good. just cleaning up the house at the moment, my family is coming to visit at the weekend. Dec 04 20:07:00 * pb_ stabs mysql Dec 04 20:07:02 hurry up! Dec 04 20:08:36 ah nice Dec 04 20:10:04 * * OE Bug 4902 has been created by  Dec 04 20:10:06 * * epsilon-0.3.0.012+svnr37395-autobuild Dec 04 20:10:08 * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4902 Dec 04 20:11:06 Bah crap Dec 04 20:11:07 khem ? Dec 04 20:11:15 | checking for mipsel-angstrom-linux-readelf... mipsel-angstrom-linux-readelf Dec 04 20:11:15 | checking for .preinit_array/.init_array/.fini_array support... no Dec 04 20:11:15 | configure: error: Need linker with .init_array/.fini_array support. Dec 04 20:11:15 | FATAL: oe_runconf failed Dec 04 20:11:15 NOTE: Task failed: /scratch/trini/cur-oe-rw/build_db1200_release_angstrom/work/mipsel-angstrom-linux/glibc-2.6.1-r15/temp/log.do_configure.32570 Dec 04 20:11:22 Related to the hash changes stuff? Dec 04 20:12:31 http://www.ourstrangeworld.net/index.php/main/article/strange_false_head_photo/ Dec 04 20:14:22 Tartarus: doesn't look like it, I don't think .init_array has anything to do with linker hashes. Dec 04 20:14:33 Tartarus: yes seems so Dec 04 20:14:48 hrw: weird, i saw the baby first before the head Dec 04 20:15:05 prpplague: I was spoiled before going to page ;( Dec 04 20:15:19 khem, email me if you have any ideas on fixing, I'm hopping in the shower then out to lunch/errands Dec 04 20:15:21 thanks :) Dec 04 20:15:33 fwiw, angstrom and db1200 machine Dec 04 20:15:46 if the path didn't give it away, heh Dec 04 20:16:01 db1200 is buildable again? Dec 04 20:16:16 Yes Dec 04 20:16:22 cool Dec 04 20:16:24 I got someone to push a fix or two to the conf Dec 04 20:16:42 was a few months ago when i was working on the 1250 locally Dec 04 20:24:05 Tartarus: which binutils is it using Dec 04 20:29:01 i also get the fini_array error for my mips builds. Dec 04 20:29:48 and im on binutils 2.18.50.0.7 Dec 04 20:32:16 no MACHINE set in shell Dec 04 20:32:49 tinkered with various binutils but no joy (i forgot to note which versions - doh) Dec 04 20:38:34 khem, checking Dec 04 20:38:49 2.18.50.0.7-r5 Dec 04 22:13:14 Tartarus that should just work Dec 04 22:14:44 Tartarus: I think the glibc build is messed up Dec 04 22:14:49 try eglibc Dec 04 22:14:55 it works for almost all arches Dec 04 22:15:17 do you care about a particular version of you just need a libc Dec 04 22:22:51 khem: about gcc 4.3, long ago I had to add here and there '--disable-werror' and 'LDFLAGS += " -Wl,--allow-multiple-definition "' Dec 04 22:23:00 question: is it still so picky? Dec 04 22:28:20 ant___: Well its better in error diag and sometimes its too much but it sure annoys developers Dec 04 22:28:42 I have not had much problems with gcc 4.3 myself Dec 04 22:28:55 ant___: where did u use those options Dec 04 22:29:15 hmm.. one was binutils-cross Dec 04 22:29:23 oh right Dec 04 22:29:36 binutils is not yet sanitized Dec 04 22:29:54 and the way ubuntu configures gcc 4.3 also matters Dec 04 22:31:14 khem: the other was "gmp-native-4.2.1 multiple definition bothers gcc 4.3" Dec 04 22:31:42 oebugs 3367 and 3378 Dec 04 22:32:08 I was using bero's Arklinux gcc-4.3.0-alpha :-/ Dec 04 22:32:37 ant___: I did not have the second one Dec 04 22:32:58 well 4.3.2 is what I have used on ubuntu 8.10 Dec 04 22:33:32 khem: .dev switched to gmp 4.2.2 as default Dec 04 22:34:08 which must have been more sane Dec 04 22:39:33 may be Dec 04 22:45:55 khem: I ask you 'cause I see Gentoo sticks with gcc-4.1.2 !!! Dec 04 22:46:34 btw I see they applied to 4.3.2 an "update softfloat patch" yesterday. Already in OE? Dec 04 22:47:04 right may be OE tries to be current Dec 04 22:48:58 he...when I begun fiddling with OE, Gentoo was way ahead /toolchain and kernels Dec 04 22:50:39 ant___: good job Dec 04 22:50:54 congrats to all devs :-) Dec 04 22:57:27 khem: IMHO there are still some things in Gentoo to cherry-pick in OE (equery) Dec 04 22:57:54 way ahead my more than limited python skills Dec 04 22:58:05 perhaps kergoth... Dec 04 22:58:39 don't look at me, i learned pythonc oding bitbake, and its obvious, and i never did become an expert Dec 04 22:58:41 :P Dec 04 22:59:01 :-D Dec 04 22:59:07 mizar ~ # equery depends libmad Dec 04 22:59:07 [ Searching for packages depending on libmad... ] Dec 04 22:59:07 media-plugins/gst-plugins-mad-0.10.8 (>=media-libs/libmad-0.15.1b) Dec 04 22:59:07 media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc2_p27725-r1 (mad? media-libs/libmad) Dec 04 22:59:16 don't say it's bad... Dec 04 23:00:30 * ant___ urges to do equery depends gcc-2.95, polluting all the initial logs :/ Dec 04 23:00:48 yeah, we could really use a tool like that Dec 04 23:01:37 every now and then strange things happen, like e.g. Dec 04 23:01:39 ERROR: '[]' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc-2.95' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables Dec 04 23:01:47 nonsense, but still Dec 04 23:02:00 would be an easy catch Dec 04 23:04:17 BTW yesterday hrw nailed down one twin, an it was a missing COMPATIBLE_MACHINE in old embedix kernel Dec 04 23:06:24 kergoth: or things like "revdep-rebuild" Dec 04 23:08:28 re Dec 04 23:08:57 hi florian Dec 04 23:17:43 khem: gcc-cross-4.2.4 uclibcgnueabi fails on rebuild. Was fine on build from scratch. Doh... Dec 04 23:18:05 libstdc++-v3 again Dec 04 23:18:07 http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/2383232.txt Dec 04 23:18:21 ant___: hmmm thats a strange thing Dec 04 23:19:21 wait..am I in an old tree...moment Dec 04 23:19:28 ah Dec 04 23:19:54 one reason if this happens could be that you have libintl being installed after gcc from someother source Dec 04 23:20:00 which is kind of crappy Dec 04 23:21:37 ah..was that old tree...never got cured...(I had a glibc build to update and switched tree...my fault) Dec 04 23:21:59 old == 2days ago :-D Dec 04 23:22:16 thats old on dev look how many commits happer per day Dec 04 23:22:33 true. was rebuilt from scratch flawlessy Dec 04 23:24:14 winding and unwinding build dependencies does not work well for toolchain Dec 04 23:25:16 definitely Dec 04 23:25:40 any toolchain change demands a rebuild to be correct :) Dec 04 23:25:57 now I'll retry from pstage Dec 04 23:50:32 khem: wiping tmp, I see a broken symlink in /cross/armv5te/bin Dec 04 23:51:15 /oe/build/tmp/angstrom/cross/armv5te/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-uclibcgnueabi-g77 Dec 04 23:51:26 -> /oe/build/tmp/angstrom/cross/armv5te/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-uclibcgnueabi-gfortran Dec 04 23:51:35 no gfortran here Dec 05 00:11:24 khem, for this particular test, any glibc will do, but for my work stuff, I'd need to really look into eglibc vs glibc Dec 05 00:12:52 trying eglibc now Dec 05 00:28:22 khem, same problem w/ eglibc Dec 05 00:28:29 | checking for .preinit_array/.init_array/.fini_array support... no Dec 05 00:28:29 | configure: error: Need linker with .init_array/.fini_array support. Dec 05 00:28:29 | FATAL: oe_runconf failed Dec 05 00:28:29 NOTE: Task failed: /scratch/trini/cur-oe-rw/build_db1200_release_angstrom/work/mipsel-angstrom-linux/eglibc-2.9+svnr7389-r0/temp/log.do_configure.23867 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 05 02:59:58 2008