**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 18 02:59:57 2009 Mar 18 05:07:42 morning Mar 18 05:53:17 meaning for things like ${WORKDIR}, STAGING_INCDIR, sysconfdir and so on given Mar 18 05:53:32 i meant where are meaning for things like ${WORKDIR}, STAGING_INCDIR, sysconfdir and so on are given Mar 18 06:59:15 re Mar 18 07:05:55 zecke: what is meant by re? Mar 18 07:06:06 i usually see this on irc, just curious ;-) Mar 18 07:19:19 i'm back, i returned from somewhere :) Mar 18 08:12:50 morning Mar 18 08:31:43 good morning Mar 18 08:33:18 good morning Mar 18 08:40:59 is cvs.sv.gnu.org down? Mar 18 08:41:47 i get the error: cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to [cvs.sv.gnu.org]:2401 failed: Connection timed out Mar 18 08:42:03 im sitting behind a firewall. will that be the reason? Mar 18 08:47:09 yep Mar 18 08:47:26 and i can tell you right now .. oe behind a firewall = fail Mar 18 08:48:51 thats really bad Mar 18 08:51:04 can i specify mirror sites from where it can download? Mar 18 08:51:56 gilligan_, not that bad, but require some tweaking. In case some firewall passthrough technologies left. like ssh ot https port and corkscrew, and others. Mar 18 08:52:34 it just means a lot of stupid tweaking and faking.. i'm done with that Mar 18 08:52:41 imho firewall == fail Mar 18 09:29:16 Morning Mar 18 09:29:23 failed Mar 18 09:29:55 Can I make an uimage (image for uboot) from OpenEmbedded? Mar 18 09:30:22 Or should I make an uimage with the mkimage tool? Mar 18 09:34:45 tsjsieb: check the openmoko kernel recipe Mar 18 09:36:44 tsjsieb: yes you can, but you can also do it afterwards yourself. Also, some of the u-boot related stuff (arguments to mkimage) are in the machine conf's. Mar 18 09:36:59 hi zecke, long time no see. Mar 18 09:38:14 thnx both :) I'm trying to create an new machine configuration for compulab cm-x300 Mar 18 09:42:46 like2wise: how are you? i'm trapped in taipei Mar 18 09:44:40 how is taipie? Mar 18 09:45:13 sunny... full of stuff that caused me to get an evil cold Mar 18 09:45:31 i always wanted to vist taipie, i think they need lots of linux programmers as they have hardware companies all around Mar 18 09:46:26 hehe, well... they have board support packages and people kicking them :( Mar 18 09:46:31 these jobs there are pretty boring Mar 18 09:48:56 i have been doing bsp for 3 years now, i need a change Mar 18 09:52:41 zecke: fine here, trapped in a good way? Mar 18 09:54:32 like2wise: oh, no idea yet... Mar 18 09:55:45 what work you do zecke Mar 18 09:56:57 janitor things, doing stuff that scares others Mar 18 09:57:40 was that meant to scare me? Mar 18 09:57:41 lol Mar 18 10:01:08 no, not at all Mar 18 10:01:15 it is the best description I found though Mar 18 10:02:20 zecke: greetings from woglinde and me Mar 18 10:02:27 thebohemian: :) Mar 18 10:02:27 aaaaa^&66777777777777yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Mar 18 10:02:33 says the cat Mar 18 10:02:36 thebohemian: how is your thesis going on? Mar 18 10:02:45 zecke: its finished :) Mar 18 10:03:09 zecke: I only need to do the presentation now Mar 18 10:03:47 zecke: I expect this to be done at the end of april Mar 18 10:05:45 thebohemian: cool! that was fast (in the end) Mar 18 10:17:06 zecke: yeah, and I am really happs it is over now Mar 18 10:27:40 morning Mar 18 10:39:52 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7949018.stm Mar 18 10:47:38 guys, i have trouble baking a more recent glib-2.0 version Mar 18 10:49:04 http://pastebin.com/d1cc3df6e Mar 18 10:53:37 using the recipe from git Mar 18 11:33:26 what to do Mar 18 11:33:41 what should we do about busybox? Mar 18 11:34:05 I don't think I can chrrey pick ulf's recipe cleanly Mar 18 11:40:43 Crofton|work: what's up with busybox? Mar 18 11:40:51 hi hrw, XorA Mar 18 11:40:58 hey Mar 18 11:41:08 checksum failure again Mar 18 11:41:15 Crofton|work: grumble. Mar 18 11:41:29 also there is version 1.13.3 Mar 18 11:41:35 which ulf built Mar 18 11:42:04 woglind undid the checksum fixing yesterday, I asked him to put it back, apparently he didnt Mar 18 11:42:10 hrw: crashed into a deer - poor deer Mar 18 11:42:15 ah Mar 18 11:42:22 like2wise: ? Mar 18 11:42:41 like2wise: ;( Mar 18 11:43:05 * hrw wonders how to make system temp back to normal Mar 18 11:43:13 deer can be a real nuisance Mar 18 11:43:35 XorA, how did he undo the checksum fix? Mar 18 11:43:53 Crofton|work: changed checksums.ini back to the old checksum Mar 18 11:44:00 http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/commit/&id=c3906c2aa5fefb263ee5782d3dfcf564e1a965cd Mar 18 11:44:19 Crofton|work: yup Mar 18 11:44:40 where is he when you need hom? Mar 18 11:46:46 git revert ? Mar 18 11:47:04 then commit after I make sure it works? Mar 18 11:48:08 Crofton|work: actually his new hash is correct Mar 18 11:48:17 Crofton|work: must have changed to patch again Mar 18 11:48:29 wget -c http://busybox.net/downloads/fixes-1.13.2/busybox-1.13.2-modprobe.patch Mar 18 11:48:36 md5sum busybox-1.13.2-modprobe.patch Mar 18 11:48:36 b2b9d0992b055816077ec9e0e4ee7775 busybox-1.13.2-modprobe.patch Mar 18 11:49:50 hm Mar 18 11:51:02 hrw: no, about the deer: the guy that has a usb finger, he crashed into a deer ---- not me Mar 18 11:52:00 fsck, my fault, when I originally checked the checksums I must have checked the wrong file :-( Mar 18 11:53:22 doh Mar 18 11:57:54 XorA, how do we fix? Mar 18 11:58:24 Crofton|work: remove your old cached version of the patch Mar 18 11:59:48 hmm Mar 18 11:59:51 that works Mar 18 12:00:04 that was a messy receovery .... Mar 18 12:00:50 if we have something in the local cache, how do know if it gets changed? Mar 18 12:01:02 no Mar 18 12:01:08 move that fucking patch into metadata Mar 18 12:02:10 :) Mar 18 12:02:57 do we have an "official" busybox person? Mar 18 12:03:06 ie, who cares? Mar 18 12:03:19 anyone follow the project closely? Mar 18 12:34:21 Crofton|work: well volunteered :-) Mar 18 12:39:10 ok, I set up thunderbird to read from gmane and added the busybix list Mar 18 12:40:30 timtimwork: hello, is your zoneminder/ansgtrom recipe available somewhere? Mar 18 12:40:40 yeah, there is a guy named ballister that reads the busybox ml for us :-) Mar 18 12:40:52 just found it on tinderbox, but not on git Mar 18 12:41:08 timtimwork: who of oe got a plug? Mar 18 12:41:34 like2wise: "plug" as in sheevaplug? Mar 18 12:41:50 yes Mar 18 12:41:56 me, and one is going to koen Mar 18 12:42:21 also i believe others here are getting them via nslu2 (mwester, rwhitby and others...) Mar 18 12:42:54 ok cool Mar 18 12:43:17 timtimwork: speaking of which, I'll be ordering myself a few plugs one of these days, does it need much work to get OE running on this? Mar 18 12:43:42 right - i need to look at the kernel situation Mar 18 12:44:00 markos_: not much I think Mar 18 12:44:07 the existing linux-orion stuff belongs to my NAS devices, however a git build might be preferable for these platforms Mar 18 12:44:15 the toolchain should be ok afaik Mar 18 12:44:17 cool Mar 18 12:44:31 git meaning, marvell git most likely Mar 18 12:44:43 although its all going mainline at some point Mar 18 12:44:45 :) Mar 18 12:44:53 #openplug is the place to ask Mar 18 12:45:05 * rwhitby waits for the marvell dma patches to go mainline for this TS409 speedup ... Mar 18 12:45:25 timtimwork: i intend to be working on some sort of zoneminder mini-distro for the plug, that's why I asked about your zoneminder recipe Mar 18 12:45:37 right - i have that done Mar 18 12:45:44 i can commit by this weekend Mar 18 12:45:49 that's great Mar 18 12:45:54 it has some v4l hacks in to make usb cams work Mar 18 12:46:02 but its working (tm) Mar 18 12:46:08 i have an image already Mar 18 12:46:09 :) Mar 18 12:46:11 :) Mar 18 12:46:17 um, zoneminder-imagte Mar 18 12:46:26 after i commit you should just need to build that! Mar 18 12:46:31 yeah found it on tinderbox Mar 18 12:46:35 by/at this weekend Mar 18 12:46:48 cool - watch the commit log this weekend :) Mar 18 12:47:00 will test it on ppc first and then on the plugs -when I get them :) Mar 18 12:48:38 * Crofton|work changed u-boot list to gmane also Mar 18 12:50:17 markos_: btw i was going to do the zoneminder image for the plug ;) but if you want to maintain it.... Mar 18 12:57:48 timtimwork: i'll most definitely use it, i'm a total OE newbie, so I'll probably ask for help a few times till I get the hang of it :) Mar 18 13:02:28 * hrw finally has to order sheevaplug Mar 18 13:02:42 03Marcin Juszkiewicz  07org.openembedded.dev * re1334a0cb0 10openembedded.git/recipes/busybox/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Mar 18 13:02:42 busybox: do not fetch fixes patches but store them in metadata Mar 18 13:02:42 I am tired of discussions how to solve situation where upstream changes Mar 18 13:02:42 it's files without versioning them and we workaround it instead of Mar 18 13:02:42 solving. Mar 18 13:04:05 thanks hrw Mar 18 13:04:22 np Mar 18 13:07:27 btw - that mdev fix is based in mine ;) Mar 18 13:08:47 now we need to see about sending our busybox patches upstream :) Mar 18 13:12:44 Thanks hrw! Mar 18 13:13:32 hrw: where can we order them (cheaply)? Mar 18 13:17:00 like2wise: vendor site only iirc Mar 18 13:17:20 hrw: maybe buying a few is cheaper, not sure though, it may raise taxes. Mar 18 13:17:22 like2wise: 99$ for device + 35$ for posting to Poland (or $41 for posting of 2 devices) Mar 18 13:17:36 like2wise: in Poland I would have to pay 22% vat only Mar 18 13:17:48 and will get that vat back so no big worry Mar 18 13:18:13 bb in few Mar 18 13:40:20 re Mar 18 13:48:57 If I want to get an idea about a websites visit rate or popularity, whats the webtraffic page for that? Cant remember the name of it Mar 18 14:22:46 awww.. Mar 18 14:32:51 * Kgilmer- will present some info on oe in communityone in NYC in an hour. Mar 18 14:34:19 Kgilmer-, about what ? Mar 18 14:34:28 fsck.. Mar 18 14:34:45 Just an intro Mar 18 14:34:45 can someone do "git log recipes/apache2" and tell me how many revisions it lists? Mar 18 14:35:37 hrw, 1 Mar 18 14:35:44 only one, 709c4d66e0b107ca606941b988bad717c0b45d9b Mar 18 14:35:45 Kgilmer-: good luck Mar 18 14:35:56 goodbye history ;( Mar 18 14:35:59 Thx! Mar 18 14:36:44 Kgilmer-: so OE will build on (Open)Solaris soon (if it doesn't do so already)? Mar 18 14:37:47 No idea like2wise :). I'm here to talk about bug, oe, and OSGi Mar 18 14:38:04 ahhhhhhhhhh good ! Mar 18 14:46:00 Kgilmer-: your next gen system should really use a PCI Express bus. Mar 18 14:46:59 Ok like2wise, I'll pass that along. Mar 18 14:47:34 Kgilmer-: it probably has all the features you need (low pin count, high speed, hot plug) by itself. Mar 18 14:47:44 People are saying "jvm" a lot here. Mar 18 14:47:59 Oh you mean to replace bmi bus? Mar 18 14:48:15 maybe IBM will kill opensolaris anyway mwahaha. oops. Mar 18 14:48:19 the h/w bus that interconnects the modules Mar 18 14:48:29 timtimwork: ibm? ibm did sun? Mar 18 14:48:29 Interesting... I don't think that has been considered. Mar 18 14:48:45 like2wise: check the geek news! Mar 18 14:48:45 Kgilmer-: it's becoming dirt cheap also :-) Mar 18 14:49:04 timtimwork: oh man I got tight up in marketing today at #openplug :-) Mar 18 14:49:23 anubody with h5500 ? Mar 18 14:49:32 one less unix i have to poke daily would be great. Mar 18 14:49:41 Cool likewise, I'll take a look. Thx Mar 18 14:49:58 Bye Mar 18 14:50:08 i think this falls into the wishful thinking category though Mar 18 14:51:03 hrw: ahhh, it's not just me then, I have spent the morning unpicking my local tree after a git pull before bed last night, I wondered if history was screwed just for me. Mar 18 14:51:53 fennec beta released Mar 18 14:54:06 2 days to 5 years with OE Mar 18 14:57:05 Crofton: ping Mar 18 15:00:35 hrw: It looks like the sane thing to do maybe to back out of the rename and use something like git-filter-branch to get the move with history. As feared, git mv is just a git rm and git add with no join :(. Mar 18 15:01:55 pong Mar 18 15:02:38 bbl Mar 18 15:02:47 DJWillis: mail to ML please Mar 18 15:03:38 hrw: doing that already Mar 18 15:05:30 well the good thing is that also means the broken history is now gone :-) Mar 18 15:07:21 are packages additive to the final image? ie, if I do bitbake console-image and then bitbake mtd-utils, will the final image contain mtd-utils as well? Mar 18 15:07:32 markos_: no Mar 18 15:10:48 to add my own set of packages, is it just a case of adding entries to ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTALL in ./openembedded/packages/images/console-image.bb ? Mar 18 15:11:39 markos_: a better way is create your own image recipe Mar 18 15:12:29 markos_: http://bec-systems.com/site/177/the-correct-way-to-add-packages-to-an-openembedded-image Mar 18 15:12:48 morning Mar 18 15:13:10 Crofton: do you remember having that problem where you couldn't mount any NFS partitions? On one of my systems I have this now -- do you remember what it was? Mar 18 15:13:31 Crofton|work: it seems it's looking for mount.nfs on both systems and on both systems it doesn't find it, but on one it just continues Mar 18 15:13:36 is that some bogus kernel config? Mar 18 15:13:38 morning k. Mar 18 15:14:12 mickeyl: util-linux has mount.nfs built-in, util-linux-ng has not Mar 18 15:14:17 DJWillis: of course its just an rm/add. git doesn't store the move as independent metadata, but instead it identifies renames by analysis after the fact, see the -M option to git diff-tree for renames, and the -C option for copies. Also see the -l option to control that behavior, and --find-copies-harder Mar 18 15:14:21 mickeyl: also, did you try with -o nolock Mar 18 15:14:25 d'oh! Mar 18 15:14:29 no, let me try Mar 18 15:14:36 cbrake: thanks Mar 18 15:14:37 mickeyl: and/or portmap Mar 18 15:14:43 always without portmap Mar 18 15:14:48 mickeyl: k Mar 18 15:14:51 it's not stricly needed is it? Mar 18 15:14:55 mickeyl: no Mar 18 15:14:57 mickeyl: me 2 Mar 18 15:15:21 mickeyl: uhm, also sometimes it doesn't work for me when the server cannot (reverse?) resolve the name/ip Mar 18 15:15:45 interesting Mar 18 15:15:53 oh darn, indeed i have util-linux-ng here Mar 18 15:15:56 mickeyl, firewall? Mar 18 15:16:01 Crofton: no, same systems Mar 18 15:16:03 mickeyl: no it's not interesting, it's annoying :-) Mar 18 15:16:17 and the mount.nfs issue Mar 18 15:16:25 yeah, it's the mount.nfs thingy Mar 18 15:16:35 mickeyl: nfs-utils it was I think that provides it Mar 18 15:16:41 aah Mar 18 15:16:42 * mickeyl builds it Mar 18 15:16:56 or linux-utils (I forget, it moved from one to the other) Mar 18 15:17:35 mickeyl: actually , -ng had mount.nfs up to and including 2.13, so it took me quite some time to find out why 2.14 broke it for me. Mar 18 15:17:45 heh, bummer Mar 18 15:17:50 why do they do somethign like that Mar 18 15:17:51 mickeyl: maybe we should note this in the recipe Mar 18 15:17:54 yeah Mar 18 15:18:07 mickeyl: because I have forgotten this in a few months :-) Mar 18 15:18:35 hehe Mar 18 15:19:34 hmm, nfsutils needs some libwrap it can't find Mar 18 15:19:50 hmm, missing DEPENDS?? Mar 18 15:20:34 ah, no, my fault Mar 18 15:20:41 bitbake -b ;) Mar 18 15:21:34 * mickeyl adds nfs-utils-client to task-cli-toos Mar 18 15:21:36 tools, that is Mar 18 15:22:20 who is koansoftware@gmail.com? Mar 18 15:22:28 mickeyl: mckoan Mar 18 15:22:44 tried to subscribe to oe-private. what should i do? Mar 18 15:23:45 * kergoth must've missed an email thread, what's oe-private? Mar 18 15:24:06 its where the secret parties are organised Mar 18 15:24:58 gasp Mar 18 15:25:04 sexy parties? Mar 18 15:26:04 kergoth: ahhh, well I guess that maybe true, just seemed a little extreme, oh well, disregard my mailing list post then (coming from someone who is not quite 100% GIT'ed ;-)) Mar 18 15:26:07 with hookers, and flapjacks Mar 18 15:26:07 mickeyl: ignore Mar 18 15:26:18 hrw: ok, i'm good at tha Mar 18 15:26:19 t Mar 18 15:26:48 kergoth: oe-private is our mailing list for corporate issues, has been there since the first company wanted to contact us but wanted to remain undisclosed Mar 18 15:26:53 rarely used these days Mar 18 15:27:01 just when large scale decisions are due Mar 18 15:27:03 or someone freaks out Mar 18 15:27:04 DJWillis: its just a different approach on the git developers part, arguable, but was their choice. I can see why Mar 18 15:27:04 *cough* Mar 18 15:27:07 mickeyl: ahh Mar 18 15:27:09 gotcha Mar 18 15:27:28 feel free to join Mar 18 15:27:35 kergoth: I can also see why, just hit me with a very large WTF moment. Mar 18 15:27:38 * hrw just got reminder how stupid questions I had on #oe five years ago... Mar 18 15:27:39 hehe Mar 18 15:27:44 git does that at first, on occasion ;) Mar 18 15:28:10 Coming from projects where history is the big deal. Mar 18 15:28:48 the history still there, but it's more implicit rather than explicit. i could see a CM person being rather upset by this Mar 18 15:29:34 kergoth: now I dig into this it starts to make sense and I wish I had not hit send ;-) Mar 18 15:30:07 no worries, just wanted to make sure you knew it was a design decision on their part, not a "bug" persay, or anything denix did wrong in the rename Mar 18 15:30:57 hm, i get an error about rm: command not found when running bitbake on my recipe right after this message: Mar 18 15:31:11 Installing staging-angstrom-version-efika-angstrom-linux (2009.X-test-20090318-r2) to root... Mar 18 15:31:13 Configuring staging-angstrom-version-efika-angstrom-linux Mar 18 15:31:14 sh: rm: command not found Mar 18 15:31:16 NOTE: Staging package found but invalid for /stuff/openembedded/packages/angstrom/angstrom-version.bb Mar 18 15:31:18 sorry for the paste Mar 18 15:31:53 i'm grepping to find the culprit, but it takes a long time... :/ Mar 18 15:34:12 DJWillis: note that you can do git log --follow for log to follow through the renames Mar 18 15:34:17 mickeyl: that's me :-D Mar 18 15:36:12 kergoth: thx for hint Mar 18 15:39:04 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/03/18/five-years-with-openembedded/ Mar 18 15:39:10 kergoth: now I feel a total tool ;-) Mar 18 15:39:23 hehe Mar 18 15:39:24 DJWillis: so feel free to answer yourself on ML Mar 18 15:39:39 hrw: have done. Mar 18 15:40:15 hrw: wow, i can't believe its been that long Mar 18 15:40:23 * kergoth wonders how long its been since he bought his Z... Mar 18 15:40:56 i need to make a timeline like that for my career and other life events at some point, i never remember when things happened Mar 18 15:41:23 kergoth: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/tag/timeline/ is what I do Mar 18 15:41:24 wow, the sl5000d developer contest was 7 years, 3 months ago Mar 18 15:41:34 and i bought my Z around there Mar 18 15:41:49 hrw: ah thats cool Mar 18 15:41:52 kergoth: OZ was registered : 2001-12-30 09:08 on sf.net Mar 18 15:42:32 yep, right around the same time Mar 18 15:42:32 cool Mar 18 15:43:15 kergoth: such timelines posts are quite easy to write when done yearly Mar 18 15:46:40 anubody with h5500 ? Mar 18 16:07:28 hrw: i was thinking itd be kind of cool to do something with twitter. its one line per post kind of mode would be conducive to posts of updates when something happens Mar 18 16:07:30 * kergoth shrugs Mar 18 16:08:12 mickeyl: any opinion on the package maintainance post? Mar 18 16:11:31 hrw: heh, re not writing apps from scratch, i'm the same way. keep meaning to start something, but i can't seem to think of anything other than revamping parts of bitbake... kind of annoying :) Mar 18 16:11:32 kergoth: not really. If you think it's good, then I agree. Mar 18 16:26:54 03Michael 'Mickey' Lauer  07org.openembedded.dev * r43da5a343a 10openembedded.git/recipes/tasks/task-cli-tools.bb: task-cli-tools: ship nfs-utils-client Mar 18 16:28:09 * kergoth tries to figure out which of his ssh keypairs is on the OpenEmbedded git server Mar 18 16:28:17 * kergoth should really delete his old ones Mar 18 16:29:10 mickeyl: you have rights to change my pub key on the git server, by chance? :) Mar 18 16:29:19 yes Mar 18 16:29:50 send me your new one Mar 18 16:31:47 mickeyl: sent, thanks Mar 18 16:34:23 in Mar 18 17:30:31 rebasing never was fun ;( Mar 18 17:31:00 87 patches to rebase Mar 18 17:31:04 small squashing party Mar 18 17:31:54 looks like packages -> recipes made rebasing harder Mar 18 17:35:10 8 files changed, 946 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) Mar 18 17:35:16 big patches Mar 18 17:43:09 oh? Mar 18 17:46:10 http://markmail.org/message/x7ubgl6wanubwa3g#query:git%20mv%20lost%20history+page:1+mid:pl3pbiuhzu2excg7+state:results Mar 18 17:46:13 hrw ping Mar 18 17:47:28 ping Mar 18 17:48:09 se url Mar 18 17:48:24 I complained about git mv on twitter and sa friend sent me that link Mar 18 17:49:10 ok Mar 18 17:49:24 huh, forgot --follow doesn't work for a dir Mar 18 17:49:37 57 patches to rebase Mar 18 17:49:45 30 squashed already Mar 18 17:49:49 * hrw -> off Mar 18 18:36:39 Anyone know the difference between BSD-ADV license and the BSD license? What's th "ADV" denote? Mar 18 18:37:12 re Mar 18 18:37:28 was I hiding long enough to avoid people's anger? :) Mar 18 18:37:42 Hi denix Mar 18 18:38:16 robtow: hi Mar 18 18:38:29 robtaylor: w/ & w/o advertisement clause. Mar 18 18:38:58 i dont think bsd w/ advert clause is gpl compliant, but i'm a bit fuzzy on the licensing issues, rusty Mar 18 18:39:10 check the opensource.org descriptions, probably Mar 18 18:39:16 w/ adv clause is *incompatible* with gpl, I think Mar 18 18:39:24 right Mar 18 18:39:26 kergoth_: I got my sl5500 the first day it became available. but I was following the early Zaurus development, just never bought the sl5500d version... Mar 18 18:39:32 because it enforces a restriction Mar 18 18:39:33 I think GPLv3 has support for the with advertising clause Mar 18 18:39:58 avoid advertising stuff Mar 18 18:40:11 I thought people had pretty much eliminated it Mar 18 18:40:30 * kergoth_ usually goes with MIT or X11 for his own stuff, just to avoid the confusion w/ two versions of BSD Mar 18 18:40:34 BSD-ADV:This is the original BSD license, modified by removal of the advertising clause. It is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, compatible with the GNU GPL. Mar 18 18:40:52 sorry, forget the BSD-ADV prefix! Mar 18 18:40:54 Crofton|work: UCB relicensed all their stuff but there's other things out there. Mar 18 18:40:57 There's one package that has it - Mar 18 18:41:42 that has what, BSD or BSD-ADV? Mar 18 18:42:13 BSD-ADV Mar 18 18:42:35 robtow: check upstream if that's still the case, or inside the package. Mar 18 19:00:30 87 -> 48 Mar 18 19:05:34 git rebase roxx Mar 18 19:09:49 87 -> 25 ;D Mar 18 19:13:46 eFfeM: interesse in een plug? Mar 18 19:14:10 what is the conclusion about the renaming? Mar 18 19:18:38 Crofton|work: good question. I had not considered the impact on git log... that's a PITA Mar 18 19:20:53 it's not that difficult to work around, i don't see an issue Mar 18 19:26:24 mwester: so I was not totally being mad about the rename/log stuff? Mar 18 19:29:03 like2wise was afk (coffee break); als je er gunstig aan kunt komen: ja Mar 18 19:34:00 is there a "generic" devshell that I can use when I just want oe to setup the right path to the compiler and ARCH things? Mar 18 19:39:55 uf.. 87 -> 17 Mar 18 19:42:30 keesj: devshell is a task in base.bbclass, and the classes don't function without a recipe Mar 18 19:48:46 * khem has uclibc compiling in thumb mode Mar 18 19:48:51 wonder if it will boot Mar 18 19:50:10 to fetch the OE repo just before the change packages -> recipes is this the correct command to issue `git fetch origin tag mv-packages-to-recipes-pre` Mar 18 19:50:14 ??? Mar 18 19:50:34 gremlin[it]: git checkout fa6cd5a3b993f16c27de4ff82b42684516d433ba Mar 18 19:50:53 I use this rev now to rebase rpm stuff Mar 18 19:51:48 i got `fatal: reference is not a tree: fa6cd5a3b993f16c27de4ff82b42684516d433ba` ... i have a my private branch locally to do some test ... Mar 18 19:52:02 gremlin[it]: do 'git fetch' first Mar 18 19:52:28 so usually i did 'git fetch origin; git rebase origin/org.openembedded.dev' Mar 18 19:53:47 gremlin[it]: you can stash your local changes git stash;git pull;git stash apply Mar 18 19:54:19 it will apply your changes on top of renamed dirs git stash knows about it Mar 18 19:54:31 provided you want to move to latest top of tree Mar 18 19:55:03 i'm still not familiar with git ... Mar 18 19:55:48 any files that are not known to git wont be moved Mar 18 19:56:05 hot to "fetch" from a tag ??? Mar 18 19:56:29 re Mar 18 19:56:30 i think you should read a git tutorial Mar 18 19:56:32 khem, yes in fact i have to commit to my branch any change ... Mar 18 19:56:45 gremlin[it]: no, he already told you, you can use git stash Mar 18 19:56:52 for any local uncommitted changes Mar 18 19:57:29 my way is rebase, format-patch, reset, clean, edit-patches,am Mar 18 19:57:34 kergoth, ok maybe but ... how to pull to a specific tag still remain a valid question ... Mar 18 19:57:35 git fetch -t Mar 18 19:57:48 no, it doesnt. that question is nonsensical. Mar 18 19:57:49 thank khem ! Mar 18 19:57:56 03Philip Balister  07org.openembedded.dev * r49c1a7699a 10openembedded.git/recipes/linux/linux-omap-2.6.27/omap5912osk/defconfig: linux-omap_2.6.27 : Enable TMP FS for omap5912osk. Mar 18 19:57:57 do you want to -check out- a tag? Mar 18 19:58:35 kergoth, i said, i'm not familiar (just a beginner) with git ... Mar 18 19:59:16 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/diffs/rpm-oe/ - effect of 3h with rebase/format-patch/edit/am Mar 18 19:59:21 hrw: will git rebase port uncommitted changes too ? Mar 18 19:59:42 khem: what keeps you from commiting them locally? Mar 18 19:59:44 you can't rebase with local changes floatin around. you need to stash, then rebase, then stash apply/pop Mar 18 19:59:47 or commit them Mar 18 20:00:15 Tartarus: ping Mar 18 20:00:23 kergoth: yeah I use git stash Mar 18 20:00:47 Tartarus: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/diffs/rpm-oe/ contains patchset for current HEAD of oe.dev Mar 18 20:00:54 hrw: I change frquently and history will grow and I havent explored editing history yet Mar 18 20:01:01 khem, `git fetch origin -t mv-packages-to-recipes-pre` return back error "fatal: Couldn't find remote ref mv-packages-to-recipes-pre" Mar 18 20:01:18 khem: format-patch, rebase, am are your friends then Mar 18 20:01:33 gremlin[it]: you are mixing up fetch/pull and checkout operations Mar 18 20:01:39 gremlin[it]: do 'git fetch' - it will fetch all commits into your database Mar 18 20:02:06 hrw, done and OK Mar 18 20:02:12 gremlin[it]: fetch do just fetching. no changes to any branch/workingcopy Mar 18 20:03:43 `git rebase origin/org.openembedded.dev -t mv-packages-to-recipes-pre` seem to do what i would ... Mar 18 20:04:32 gremlin[it]: 'git rebase -i fa6cd5a3b993f16c27de4ff82b42684516d433ba' do same Mar 18 20:04:53 as fa6cd5a3b993f16c27de4ff82b42684516d433ba was last change before rename Mar 18 20:05:00 hrw, 99.99% yes ;) Mar 18 20:13:19 so, to summarize, when would you need to do rebase instead of stash? Mar 18 20:15:19 anybody knows somebody with h5500 ? please help me ... it seems we have no working 2.6 kernel Mar 18 20:15:46 bitbake has no working kernel for h5000 Mar 18 20:16:06 also the angstrom h5000 is not working :( Mar 18 20:16:25 denix: stash for not commited, rebase for commited Mar 18 20:17:03 commited but not pushed, right? Mar 18 20:17:34 $ git stash # save uncommitted work Mar 18 20:17:37 yes Mar 18 20:17:51 $ git pull --rebase # make sure that we rebase instead of merge Mar 18 20:17:58 $ git stash apply Mar 18 20:18:12 $ git log # review stuff, make sure i've selected the right commits Mar 18 20:18:17 $ git push origin master Mar 18 20:18:22 yeah, that's what I always do Mar 18 20:18:28 That's my process, and it works pretty well. Mar 18 20:19:45 the only thing is: I hate rebase - too manual process and breaks easily... Instead I usually reset my commits, stash, pull, re-apply stash back and then repeat the commit... :) Mar 18 20:20:07 denix: meet format-patch+am combo Mar 18 20:20:32 sometimes with vim inside Mar 18 20:20:55 I know, weird, by I found stash working more reliable than rebase. I'd rather re-commit than resolve potential conflicts... :) Mar 18 20:21:05 hrw: good point! Mar 18 20:21:26 I use stash only for ugly things which I do not want to push Mar 18 20:21:35 denix: own branches are also good Mar 18 20:22:12 as long as you do not push them you can rebase Mar 18 20:22:36 so no help 4 me ? :( Mar 18 20:23:02 flameman: get a life, get a working device Mar 18 20:23:16 I guess I need to practice rebasing so it won't scare me that much :) Mar 18 20:23:28 hrw, damn the hell, the hh says "2.6" is working, so i spend my money there Mar 18 20:23:38 hrw, it seems people says lies ! Mar 18 20:23:47 flameman: sorry. have you asked koen? Mar 18 20:23:48 flameman: its hh Mar 18 20:24:10 denix: I do not feel that Koen touched h5xxx during last 2 years Mar 18 20:24:40 hrw, koen .. well his angstrom/h5000 is not working at all, but he simply ignore it Mar 18 20:24:50 hrw: you may be right... Mar 18 20:25:14 flameman: I have c760 but I do not care how OE works on it. Mar 18 20:25:23 hrw, people has reported the angstrom/h5000 live is not working (cause haret is not working, cause the 2.6 kernel is not working) Mar 18 20:25:32 flameman: and? Mar 18 20:25:40 hrw ... and ... it was 1 year ago Mar 18 20:25:45 flameman: thats normal with devices which no one want to support Mar 18 20:26:05 flameman: h36xx/38xx/39xx/5xxx are BRICKS not pda Mar 18 20:26:17 hrw ... so why the hh pages are reporting "h5000 GOOD support around 2.6 kernel" ? Mar 18 20:26:23 hrw is it a full lie ? Mar 18 20:26:27 who use such devices today for something today? Mar 18 20:26:31 hrw, h3900 too ? Mar 18 20:26:43 flameman: why you do not ask on #handhelds.org or handhelds.org mailing lists? Mar 18 20:26:54 gremlin[it]: it is big and heavy Mar 18 20:26:58 hrw cause they are died Mar 18 20:27:04 hrw: do you mean you don't use c760 at all or you don't use OE on it? Mar 18 20:27:24 denix: I do not use it all and it has Poky installed Mar 18 20:28:40 flameman: and they took whole support for those devices with themself Mar 18 20:29:39 hrw the point is ... i read the hh pages, they are reporting lies ! Mar 18 20:30:00 flameman: no, they are not reporting lies. they do not update for years Mar 18 20:30:06 hrw no ! Mar 18 20:30:27 hrw there is NO working 2.6 kernel for h50000 Mar 18 20:30:29 no one ! Mar 18 20:30:37 flameman: so what? Mar 18 20:30:53 so the h5000 is reporting lies ! Mar 18 20:30:55 flameman: I said you some time ago: buy h22xx or hx4700 Mar 18 20:30:58 hrw, it's true but should be functional ... :) Mar 18 20:31:00 it says "good 2.6 support" Mar 18 20:31:13 hrw crist, i need the pcmcia ! Mar 18 20:31:31 anyway .... i will try to resell on eaby Mar 18 20:31:39 the question is ending now Mar 18 20:31:40 . Mar 18 20:32:55 flameman: pcmcia for wifi or storage? Mar 18 20:33:12 for what i have to develop Mar 18 20:33:59 flameman: then find some old devboard with pxa255/26x/27x and pcmcia slot? Mar 18 20:41:27 <_diego_> flameman: how hard it is to port driver to a recent 2.6? ^^ Mar 18 20:47:34 argh.. 89°C on core2quad is not sane Mar 18 20:47:58 er, no. Mar 18 20:47:59 bye all - this night will be sponsored by no-power Mar 18 20:48:05 <_diego_> except in winter, you can turn of the heater ^^ Mar 18 20:48:16 74°C after half minute Mar 18 20:48:18 although the newer 45nm chips run much much hotter than the older ones, I've found. Mar 18 20:48:32 hrw: your cpu fan must have failed. Mar 18 20:48:43 mwester: it has 2000 rpm Mar 18 20:48:57 gah! Mar 18 20:49:09 <_diego_> 2000 rpm is quite slw Mar 18 20:49:19 tomorrow I will take it off and clean with aircan Mar 18 20:49:27 my core2quad usually spins the cpu fan at 650 Mar 18 20:49:36 _diego_: its intel boxed cooling Mar 18 20:49:39 goes to about 1800 under load Mar 18 20:49:54 grrr not able to work with git tag ;( Mar 18 20:50:13 hrw: I have a brand new 45nm quad core with intel boxed fan -- goes no higher than 62 C under full load. Mar 18 20:50:30 mwester: I have q6600 - 65nm Mar 18 20:50:51 I have (or actually the wife has) one of those as well. Mar 18 20:51:05 the 6600 is a very nice chip; runs very cool usually. Mar 18 20:51:16 * mwester checks Mar 18 20:51:36 no load on the q6600 right now -- about 38 C Mar 18 20:51:57 I've never seen it go over 55 C but it has a better cooler than the intel one. Mar 18 20:52:08 I am considering changing it Mar 18 20:52:20 still, I cannot imagine that 75 C in 30 seconds is normal with *any* fan at all! Mar 18 20:52:26 <_diego_> here: old sempron 2800 - 36C Mar 18 20:52:29 <_diego_> :D Mar 18 20:53:10 _diego_: my max is athlonxp 1700+ with 105°C Mar 18 20:53:12 <_diego_> and 60C during OE build Mar 18 20:53:26 <_diego_> :S Mar 18 20:53:47 <_diego_> that's crazy Mar 18 20:53:50 :-O 105 ??!! Mar 18 20:53:57 yes. 105°C Mar 18 20:54:08 you can boil eggs on that :D Mar 18 20:54:09 athlons have a max working temp of less than that. Mar 18 20:54:15 <_diego_> but indeed is a strong cpu, if can work at this temp! Mar 18 20:54:16 supposedly. Mar 18 20:54:17 fan died but mainboard did not checked that Mar 18 20:54:29 athlon xp anyway. Mar 18 20:54:51 timtimred: it was able to run <1 minute before overheating. enough to enter bios and check temp Mar 18 20:55:25 water boil ... put the pasta !!! :) Mar 18 20:55:35 * mwester wonders if hrw's mainboard has a voltage regulator failure that is heating up the CPU so fast. Mar 18 20:57:06 mwester: good point Mar 18 20:57:29 1.3V is default iirc Mar 18 20:57:36 yes, i think it was 90 degress something from the presentations Mar 18 20:57:36 * hrw reboots to bios to check Mar 18 20:57:41 bye all Mar 18 20:57:47 erm, i might still have the spec sheets. Mar 18 20:58:05 * timtimred was an amd rep once. before they were better than intel the first time. Mar 18 20:58:09 95% is max limit on amd chisp Mar 18 20:58:09 :/ Mar 18 20:58:23 95C Mar 18 20:58:42 100C on the Intel 45nm CPUs, but considerably lower on the 65nm ones. Mar 18 21:00:15 hrw's cpu must be overclocked Mar 18 21:00:17 i like my core2quad. im sure i7 is a lot better but no hurry :) Mar 18 21:01:11 i7 was too expensive (w/motherboard) for me; I just bought a good 45nm cpu instead Mar 18 21:01:13 <_diego_> i'd really like a pc with a dual core cortex-19, no fan and no worry for cpu temp :D Mar 18 21:01:18 Intel Core i7 3.2 GHz Processor for under 1000 USD Mar 18 21:01:29 <_diego_> s/19/a9/ Mar 18 21:05:13 mwester: that was it! Mar 18 21:05:29 I do not know why CPU was running on 1.554V instead of 1.2875V Mar 18 21:05:42 forced proper value in bios and 36°C now Mar 18 21:05:55 and decreasing Mar 18 21:06:08 <_diego_> someone changed you bios settings? Mar 18 21:06:37 _diego_: who knows what is in that closed soft... Mar 18 21:07:24 anyway it gives me info that this cpu can run at 90°C Mar 18 21:08:08 hrw: it could be lm_sensors fault. have you checked the actual temp values in BIOS? Mar 18 21:08:17 ok, build with rpm packages is going now Mar 18 21:08:22 denix: same in both Mar 18 21:08:51 hrw: what type of cpu is it Mar 18 21:09:12 hrw: my q6600 runs similar to mwester's 35-55 C Mar 18 21:09:32 khem: I believe he said Intel Q6600 Mar 18 21:09:51 khem: intel core2quad q6600 Mar 18 21:10:04 * hrw -> sleep Mar 18 21:10:22 hrw: I did replace the heatsink though - it's Ninja with 120mm fan - that runs from 800 to 1200 rpm Mar 18 21:10:31 btw - do not forget to read: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/03/18/five-years-with-openembedded/ ;D Mar 18 21:11:29 hrw|gone: nice log! :) I bought my sl5500 in early 2002 Mar 18 21:18:59 need help http://pastebin.com/m74821835 :) Mar 18 21:31:20 ArteK: is this new problem you are seeing Mar 18 21:33:22 khem: i googled and don't find haw to fix this Mar 18 21:33:25 ArteK: if it started to happen recently (after march 10) then could you try to remove 15595fa2e1222509a57ae6c2e55ef9d8b8829989 commit and see if it works Mar 18 21:33:50 ArteK: I understand the problem but I do not see this problem on my end. Mar 18 21:34:00 khem: i'm new in oe Mar 18 21:37:14 ArteK: Can you try svn version of bitbake instead of 1.8.12 Mar 18 21:37:36 khem: hm, ok i will try Mar 18 21:37:52 other think would be rebase to 15595fa2e1222509a57ae6c2e55ef9d8b8829989 Mar 18 21:37:58 and try Mar 18 21:40:55 iow revert http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/commit/&id=31abc4f83484990470e1fedfecd9d3a2ea9cf3dc Mar 18 22:13:19 khem: thanks, rebase fix problem Mar 18 22:29:41 ArteK: hmm ok thx for letting me know Mar 18 22:42:18 ArteK: Do you have those .la files in your build tree somewhere ? Mar 18 22:43:50 yes, at /media/other/svn/oe/build/angstrom/tmp/staging/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib Mar 18 22:45:17 khem: and at /media/other/svn/oe/build/angstrom/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ncurses-5.4-r17/ncurses-5.4/lib there 4 .la files Mar 18 22:47:10 ok can you paste the later ones somewhere Mar 18 22:50:41 evening Mar 18 22:51:24 where do the revisions/versions that bitbake -s spits come from? Mar 18 22:51:26 khem: here http://pastebin.com/m775bb93b, libncurses.la from two other places have different dependency_libs Mar 18 22:51:47 I see sane-srcrevs.inc is produced from bitbake -s Mar 18 22:52:45 ok, now i need learn how to create bbfiles :-) Mar 18 22:59:03 ArteK: Do you have libform.la too ? Mar 18 23:01:00 khem: yes, and libmenu.la, libpanel.la Mar 18 23:02:35 ArteK: Can you paste those too from your workdir not from staging Mar 18 23:06:22 khem: please are 4 files http://pastebin.com/m6de8ce5c Mar 18 23:15:08 ArteK: thx, what host do you use Mar 18 23:15:47 khem: archlinux x64_86 Mar 18 23:22:08 thx Mar 18 23:26:41 hm... could anybody here try bitbake dbus-c++ pls? I mean... I think the bb file is broken, but I'm not quite sure it's not caused by distro... Mar 18 23:27:29 build results on web say it built ok Feb 26th hm Mar 18 23:27:56 (broken = no longer can be fetched from given svn url) Mar 18 23:29:18 if I understand it well, first distro mirrors are (at least for angstrom and OM, this is what I looked at) tried... and only if this fails, svn is used Mar 18 23:51:52 * kergoth tries to make sense of autotools.bbclass.. which, surprisingly, is almost exactly what was originally written years and years ago **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 19 02:59:57 2009