**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 30 02:59:57 2009 Aug 30 08:32:08 morning all Aug 30 08:34:16 good morning Aug 30 08:35:39 hi Aug 30 08:35:56 hi rkirti, eFfeM Aug 30 09:58:07 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * rc8e2ca8c70 10openembedded.git/recipes/erlang/erlang_R13B01.bb: erlang: fix packaging and QA errors Aug 30 10:04:15 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r1d32651d78 10openembedded.git/recipes/python/python-pygobject_2.16.0.bb: python-pygobject 2.16: 2.14 sets PE=1, so set it in 2.16 as well Aug 30 10:21:38 good morning Aug 30 10:38:05 florian: good morning Aug 30 10:58:31 good morning florian Aug 30 14:33:24 Hello, there is a way to update opkg same as "opkg update" without internet connection to target board? Aug 30 14:34:53 morning Aug 30 16:37:39 hallo Aug 30 16:37:55 hi Martin_B Aug 30 16:53:11 wvdial isn't building for me in a minimal-image. it's failing to find libstdc++. is this likely to be the fault of the recipe or the toolchain? Aug 30 17:13:17 my guess would be the recipe, but it could be either. Aug 30 17:20:01 well the toolchain is the internal one, ARM EABI target (ARM926EJ-S). there didn't seem to be any way to make the receipe depend on libstdc++ Aug 30 17:20:49 * rkirti did a successsful wvdial build couple of days back Aug 30 18:03:42 rkirti: wvdial is tricky - there are some versions that don't work on arm platforms Aug 30 18:03:50 re, btw Aug 30 18:04:42 yep..in my case, only the build succeeded , it never ran :'-( I was trying in vain to get those EVDO-based ethernet dongles working on the beagleboard Aug 30 18:05:28 if it doen't work properly then ping me and i'll look up a working one fom my kc oe tree :) Aug 30 18:06:17 hrm... now that I have cleaned my keyboard it seems to "eat" chars randomly Aug 30 18:06:26 lol Aug 30 18:07:45 oh... now the new glib for maemo builds too - i shouldn't try to fix these things when i'm tired ;) Aug 30 18:11:37 I think glib wasnt the issue - the older gtk not being compatible with the newer glib was why we dropped the new glib. /me should look at this soon, now that the builds for both work for me locally Aug 30 18:12:26 florian: for the gpe svn, which one would you want me to put in - the latest revision or the one that corresponds to the rev in extras-devel diablo repo ? Aug 30 18:17:21 rkirti: should be more or less the same, there is not much of development going on currently. Aug 30 18:17:24 just tried forcing wvdial 1.56 and it fails with a different error: cannot use typeid with -fno-rt Aug 30 18:17:24 ti Aug 30 18:17:33 hi kergoth, hi lrg Aug 30 18:17:48 morning kergoth Aug 30 18:18:13 mike_cw[home]: iirc you had to use some oder version of one of its libraries too Aug 30 18:19:19 rkirti: about glib: i thought it might be a good idea... well then its likely i have to update gtk too :-} Aug 30 18:19:31 hey florian Aug 30 18:19:53 florian: ok. i'll try some different combinations later. presumably the other library is wvstreams Aug 30 18:21:31 mike_cw[home]: yes right, that's the one Aug 30 18:25:22 mike_cw[home]: khem pushed some of my wvstream patches for 4.4 I guess - check if those help Aug 30 18:25:54 it's just building 4.4.1 now Aug 30 18:26:18 hi kergoth, lrg Aug 30 18:26:50 hey pb__ Aug 30 18:36:15 gm Aug 30 18:37:49 rkirti: no luck. wvstreams builds, wvdial doesn't. can I force it to link using g++? that might be a solution for the latest .dev version Aug 30 18:45:13 hi pb__ Aug 30 19:16:56 jo hi philipp Aug 30 19:22:55 wvstreams 4.4.1/wvdial 1.60 builds ok. will see if it actually works tomorrow Aug 30 20:23:38 Hi: Aug 30 20:24:31 there are some IDE for OE? I've seen the Anjuta plugin but is very incomplete Aug 30 20:25:57 It depends on what you expect from the IDE. The Anjuta plugin currently is a tool for toolchain integration only. Aug 30 20:26:37 I'm not convinced OE is suitable for the kind of people who want an IDE (yet at least, probably for the next few years ;) Aug 30 20:27:28 (unless you count emacs as an ide ;) Aug 30 20:27:34 We... you could improve the integration quite alot. Especially ver really small targets... Aug 30 20:27:36 :-) Aug 30 20:28:38 In theory you could assist creating bb files and other integrating and testing tasks. Aug 30 20:28:50 What are you wanting the IDE to do for you? If you want a kind of graphical build configurator then no, there isn't one at present. Aug 30 20:29:13 in the dim and distant past we did have a thing called "oecommander" but it fell into disrepair. Aug 30 20:29:47 it'd certainly be possible to provide stuff like bindings for doing stuff with bb's Aug 30 20:29:47 Isn't there some similar called thingy for Eclipse? Aug 30 20:30:27 like you have a bb open and you can click "build" or whatever Aug 30 20:31:20 I've just had a very long and hard debugging system on an OE deployed system (which btw is going to ship next week ;) Aug 30 20:31:59 and I found it amazingly cool that all the -dbg packages were available and just "opkg install xxxx-dbg" and "gdb xxxx" and all symbols were loaded Aug 30 20:33:00 of course on a truly embedded system it wouldn't have worked, with all the dbg packages my rootfs grew from 140MB to over 1.5GB :) Aug 30 20:34:07 lol Aug 30 20:36:00 th1: ah nice... its always nice to see something useful gets shipped Aug 30 20:36:16 I'm thinking in some kind of "wizard" for make distros, or modify an exiting one. Somethink like the pseudo grafical system of buildroot Aug 30 20:45:46 florian, I managed to convince several key people of OE Aug 30 20:45:58 now we have an important virtual machine shipping from it Aug 30 20:46:10 and with luck and hard work, the most important one will be converted from buildroot Aug 30 20:46:44 it'll mean we get to contribute better desktop and server style support in OE Aug 30 20:46:59 great news, glad to hear it Aug 30 20:47:11 th1: yep... sounds really good Aug 30 20:47:16 I spent 72 hours of the last 100 at work ;) Aug 30 20:47:21 yikes Aug 30 20:47:28 oops Aug 30 20:47:49 i have no idea why there's been no specific announcement, but mvl6 is available for purchase now. final, not beta. no idea what the price is, though Aug 30 20:48:27 ours is not shipping yet Aug 30 20:49:20 Technical preview ships next week, ifyo ugo to the management VM, it's an OE built vm running X11, xfce, midori, networkmanager-applet :) Aug 30 20:49:45 basically it's the main UI of the product Aug 30 20:50:00 nice Aug 30 20:50:11 do you know anything about how xen works? Aug 30 20:50:59 basically it's a bare metal hypervisor and each VM is a "domain". dom0 is the master domain that brings up and controls other domains Aug 30 20:51:28 currently buildroot builds dom0, and oe builds the Management VM that shows a gui. the dom0 is headless.. so all interaction is from the management vm Aug 30 20:51:49 next step for me is to integrate the missing components we have in dom0 into OE and build dom0 rootfs from that as well Aug 30 20:52:53 where are you from btw kergoth? Aug 30 20:54:20 minnesota originally, but am in arizona now Aug 30 20:54:51 ah ok :)it's just your name has a scandinavian ring to it..I'm from Denmark, living in cambridge, uk Aug 30 20:55:48 ah, cool Aug 30 20:57:13 well, there are quite a lot of people with that sort of ancestry in minnesota. lots of swedish / norwegian / etc ancestry. 90% of my ancestors are from those two. the larson name was from sweden, we have our family tree traced back to the guy named lars, but haven't managed any farther back than that :) Aug 30 20:57:26 * kergoth sighs, should really be cleaning... Aug 30 20:57:34 hehe Aug 30 20:57:57 Lars(s)on is quite common in Sweden. the danish equivalent is Larsen Aug 30 20:58:05 ah Aug 30 20:58:48 my dad's first name is Lars so according to the old tradition I'd be larsen ;) Aug 30 21:01:20 th1: ... then it should be easy for you to come to oedem :) Aug 30 21:07:24 florian, yes I am certianly planning on going :) Aug 30 21:07:35 :-) Aug 30 21:07:50 I did mention if too many people come we might be able to lend our office for it Aug 30 21:08:31 and I'd certainly be able to house a couple of folks if need be too Aug 30 21:16:59 th1, maybe you cold host a hackfest the day before? Aug 30 21:17:25 Crofton, not a bad idea Aug 30 21:17:32 hmm, I'm thinking about the requirements of the different bitbake components, and am thinking that we should add a new module which gives an intermediate API to interact with the parsed recipes. The cooker shouldn't care about flags and crap, it just wants to query the values of configuration variables to control its behavior, and execute tasks.. Aug 30 21:18:31 kergoth, can you give examples of what you would do with that Aug 30 21:19:23 Crofton, the thing about hosting stuff is that in the weekend the office is empty :) on fridayit's full of people and we can#'t jointhe meeting rooms into one and stuff Aug 30 21:19:37 heh Aug 30 21:19:55 well we might be able to but it'd be harder to get the goahead ;) Aug 30 21:19:55 we should try and see if we can find some space for hacking :) Aug 30 21:20:16 I'd like to get the schedule worked out so I can buy plane ticket Aug 30 21:20:20 right now we have poor encapsulation, everything knows the details of how things are done in our datastore. it would be quite difficult for us to introduce a new file format today, because too much depends on the details of the implementation Aug 30 21:20:36 I need to visit my uncle and aunt in Woking also Aug 30 21:20:37 file format? Aug 30 21:21:46 Crofton, woking is about 2 hours drive from cambridge Aug 30 21:22:15 4 hours if traffic on the m25 ;) Aug 30 21:22:43 yeah Aug 30 21:22:48 I have to figure all this out Aug 30 21:23:13 I'm coming from .us, so a couple of hours is peanuts Aug 30 21:23:41 yeah but the traffic on m25 gets mad especially friday afternoons Aug 30 21:23:54 I am hopeful I can use a train Aug 30 21:24:01 I'm sure you can Aug 30 21:24:16 although I can handle driving on the proper side of the road Aug 30 21:24:20 heh Aug 30 21:24:33 check traintimes.org.uk Aug 30 21:24:54 so around 3 hours Aug 30 21:25:56 somebody have seen this? http://community.buglabs.net/kgilmer/posts/3-OpenEmbedded-Tools-for-Eclipse Aug 30 21:27:10 looks nice Aug 30 21:28:20 sushisan yes Aug 30 22:02:03 03Khem Raj  07org.openembedded.dev * ra5ade9dd96 10openembedded.git/classes/base.bbclass: Aug 30 22:02:03 base.bbclass: Pass in PATH to popen. Aug 30 22:02:03 On Mac OSX its not able to find md5sum if Aug 30 22:02:03 path is not passed to os.popen shell. Aug 30 22:02:03 Signed-off-by: Khem Raj Aug 30 22:04:27 03Khem Raj  07org.openembedded.dev * re6bdc929a0 10openembedded.git/classes/base.bbclass: Aug 30 22:04:27 base.bbclass: Pass in PATH to popen. Aug 30 22:04:27 On Mac OSX its not able to find md5sum if Aug 30 22:04:27 path is not passed to os.popen shell. Aug 30 22:04:27 Signed-off-by: Khem Raj Aug 30 22:04:29 Acked-by: Koen Kooi Aug 30 22:04:33 03Khem Raj  07org.openembedded.dev * r456e4cd049 10openembedded.git/: Merge branch 'org.openembedded.dev' of git@git.openembedded.org:openembedded into org.openembedded.dev Aug 30 23:01:50 03Khem Raj  07org.openembedded.dev * r713ba5f078 10openembedded.git/conf/distro/micro.conf: (log message trimmed) Aug 30 23:01:50 micro.conf: Remove PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libintl Aug 30 23:01:50 This is set appropriately in toolchain configuration. Aug 30 23:01:50 It gives a possibility to cleanly override LIBC Aug 30 23:01:50 say to eglibc or glibc. Aug 30 23:01:52 Signed-off-by: Khem Raj Aug 30 23:01:54 Acked-by: Leon Woestenberg Aug 31 01:00:21 Any ideas"make[2]: *** No rule to make target `../ports/sysdepw/arm/nptl/tls.h', needed by `/home/steve/oe/zipit2-tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glibc-2.9-r35.1/build-arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/nptl/init.os'. Stop." ? Aug 31 01:10:14 I am attempting to bitbake busybox for a zipit z2 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 31 02:59:57 2009