**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 26 02:59:57 2010 Sep 26 05:34:11 clear Sep 26 06:17:59 hi , i cant do bitbake console-image , i always got error , http://pastebin.com/LABk2B41 , please someone help ? Sep 26 07:07:35 gm Sep 26 07:53:29 03Eric Bénard  07org.openembedded.dev * r7850c3fb82 10openembedded.git/recipes/util-linux-ng/util-linux-ng.inc: (log message trimmed) Sep 26 07:53:30 util-linux-ng: reset rdepends on ncurses-tools Sep 26 07:53:30 * reset is a script which is using tput provided by ncurses-tools Sep 26 07:53:30 (which also provides reset) so util-linux-ng's reset command fails Sep 26 07:53:30 if ncurses-tools is not installed on the target Sep 26 07:53:30 * this patch creates a utils-linux-ng-reset package with Sep 26 07:53:31 RDEPENDS="ncurses-tools" Sep 26 07:53:46 JDuke127: are u using ubuntu 10.04 32bit on build machine ? there was a bug in ubuntu gzip Sep 26 07:53:55 I wonder if u are hiting it Sep 26 07:54:47 time to sleep gn Sep 26 08:06:55 03Łukasz Pankowski  07org.openembedded.dev * rce6eab39b3 10openembedded.git/recipes/ffalarms/ffalarms_git.bb: Sep 26 08:06:55 ffalarms: bump git revision, fixes simultaneous alarms Sep 26 08:06:55 Signed-off-by: Martin Jansa Sep 26 09:48:05 hi JaMa Sep 26 09:48:42 hi Sep 26 09:49:09 how do I switch to linaro Sep 26 09:49:10 ? Sep 26 09:49:21 I want to see if mplayer is faster Sep 26 09:49:42 linaro commit: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/diff/recipes/gcc/gcc-4.4-2010.09.inc?id=0e3642cacf17a8b8073cf7caaa88279d1b6f945f Sep 26 09:50:22 if I put the gcc prefered version in local.conf Sep 26 09:50:24 is it ok? Sep 26 09:51:24 did you merge/cherry-pick that commit to your branch? Sep 26 09:51:41 yes Sep 26 09:51:44 GNUtoo|laptop: I think you wanted to use khem's import of linaro patches to gcc-4.5 Sep 26 09:51:53 yes Sep 26 09:51:59 ah that's not in my branch Sep 26 09:52:01 I'll look Sep 26 09:52:05 that's not 4.4.-2010.09 Sep 26 09:52:11 ok Sep 26 09:52:22 how do I merge? Sep 26 09:52:33 I'll look the man Sep 26 09:53:04 GNUtoo|laptop: git cherry-pick b42902fe8ab2160cb9b01c468a7670fd88ce9238 Sep 26 09:53:16 ok thanks Sep 26 09:53:25 GNUtoo|laptop: and rebuild from scratch, it should be used automatically as SHR is already using gcc-4.5 Sep 26 09:53:48 ok Sep 26 10:17:49 GNUtoo|laptop: btw building that too now :) Sep 26 11:47:21 hi , i got errors on igepv2 "bitbake console-image" someone told me , need to update gzip for ubuntu ? i m using 64 bit ubuntu but gzip seems latest version ? i need to get gzip manually ? Sep 26 11:58:18 ~curse ppp Sep 26 11:58:19 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ppp ! Sep 26 11:58:52 ppp does have craziest dependencies I've ever seen Sep 26 11:59:26 for minimal-image it drags-in more then 2000 packages, jesus :p Sep 26 12:15:22 03Frans Meulenbroeks  07org.openembedded.dev * r66e00f144c 10openembedded.git/recipes/perl/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Sep 26 12:15:22 perl: moved a few unused patches to obsolete Sep 26 12:15:22 Signed-off-by: Frans Meulenbroeks Sep 26 12:15:25 03Frans Meulenbroeks  07org.openembedded.dev * r00652c2e72 10openembedded.git/recipes/pdm/pdm-1.0/setuid.patch: Sep 26 12:15:25 pdm : moved unused files to obsolete dir Sep 26 12:15:25 Signed-off-by: Frans Meulenbroeks Sep 26 12:15:26 03Frans Meulenbroeks  07org.openembedded.dev * r0760ed93cb 10openembedded.git/recipes/packagekit/files/ (2 files): Sep 26 12:15:26 packagekit : moved unused files to obsolete dir Sep 26 12:15:26 Signed-off-by: Frans Meulenbroeks Sep 26 12:15:27 03Frans Meulenbroeks  07org.openembedded.dev * r12f7e8f147 10openembedded.git/recipes/parted/files/cross-gross-hack.patch: Sep 26 12:15:28 parted : moved unused files to obsolete dir Sep 26 12:15:28 Signed-off-by: Frans Meulenbroeks Sep 26 12:15:38 03Frans Meulenbroeks  07org.openembedded.dev * r1709ba88b0 10openembedded.git/recipes/pango/files/gtk-doc.patch: Sep 26 12:15:38 pango : moved unused files to obsolete dir Sep 26 12:15:38 Signed-off-by: Frans Meulenbroeks Sep 26 12:15:38 03Frans Meulenbroeks  07org.openembedded.dev * r1891dd0b14 10openembedded.git/recipes/phalanx/phalanx/gcc3.patch: Sep 26 12:15:38 phalanx : moved unused files to obsolete dir Sep 26 12:15:38 Signed-off-by: Frans Meulenbroeks Sep 26 12:15:41 callign it a day, cya tomorrow Sep 26 12:24:22 ah, it's caused by libcap dragging in bluez-libs Sep 26 12:24:39 why the hell ppp needs bluez-libs Sep 26 12:30:45 minimal-image with added ppp = 3541 tasks/packages Sep 26 12:30:49 minimal-image with added ppp, but removed bluez-utils dependency from libpcap = 1300 tasks/packages Sep 26 12:31:16 it's 1200 packages/task just for adding ppp in image, that's insane Sep 26 12:31:36 I wonder how to fix it correctly Sep 26 12:32:24 creating libcap_no_bluez.bb? Sep 26 12:33:50 or having bluez depending on the MACHINE_FEATURE contains bluetooth Sep 26 12:34:34 impossible :) Sep 26 12:34:46 just found this http://patchwork.openembedded.org/patch/329/ Sep 26 12:35:52 I'll ask on ML Sep 26 12:36:38 or have your own overlay which amend the recipes Sep 26 12:38:02 I don't use overlays, just git branch Sep 26 12:38:39 but I want minimal changes to core OE as I'm lazy to maintain the overlay Sep 26 12:39:53 the problem is somes recipes in the core OE tree are generic which can lead to this behaviour Sep 26 12:42:35 that's ok, but I prefer fixing upstream, than keeping fixes in my branch Sep 26 12:42:57 yes but what is a fix for you will be a regression for others :-) Sep 26 12:43:40 that's all the problem with generic things Sep 26 12:44:19 no, I think, that fix would be ppp_no_bluez.bb and libcab_no_bluez.bb or something like that Sep 26 12:44:31 we will see, I've just send an email to ML Sep 26 12:44:59 ah I see and you make a DEFAULT_PREFERENCE for libcap_no_bluez Sep 26 12:45:07 yep Sep 26 12:45:23 ppp doesn't directly depends on bluez so this would only concern libpcap Sep 26 12:45:24 ynezz, or get a faser build machine Sep 26 12:45:31 faster Sep 26 12:45:37 and more NAND flash :) Sep 26 12:45:55 why the hell I need MINIMAL image with 3500 packages? Sep 26 12:46:03 no Sep 26 12:46:17 3500 packages built, but they are not in the image :) Sep 26 12:46:20 ok, s/I need/I need to build/ Sep 26 12:46:29 If the depends are right, you should be able to install ppp without it sucking everything in Sep 26 12:46:40 yep, I hope so Sep 26 12:46:49 the point is you can upgrade to the fancy stuff and it will work Sep 26 12:47:38 ok, no problem, I can fix it just localy for me Sep 26 12:48:29 the point is, that I'm playing with some Lua packages in OE and testing it on minimal-image, so yes, faster machine would fix it also Sep 26 12:48:49 but rebuilding 3500 packages over and over makes me mad, that's all :) Sep 26 12:49:13 why are you remiving tmp so oftern? Sep 26 12:49:17 urg Sep 26 12:49:21 bad typing Sep 26 12:49:36 you should only need to do a full rebuild occasionally Sep 26 12:49:40 it means playing with classes in bitbake Sep 26 12:49:57 ? Sep 26 12:50:05 you are playing with classes? Sep 26 12:50:12 something similar to distutils for python, but for Lua it's called rockspec Sep 26 12:50:54 I would like to have something like this supported in OE http://luarocks.org/ Sep 26 12:51:43 ask on the list Sep 26 12:51:51 there might be some other people interested Sep 26 12:52:33 I don't think so :) there's just Lua recipe, used mainly for native Sep 26 12:53:02 and some really old stuff Sep 26 12:53:57 and I'm just playing with it if I've some spare time, nothing serious Sep 26 12:54:44 bbl Sep 26 13:24:58 ynezz: I think it is funny that they call those subdivisions of whatever 'rocks' Sep 26 13:38:15 GNUtoo|laptop, khem|sleep: does mplayer build work for you with gcc-4.5 + linaro patches? fails for me with asm errors: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/packages/783943/ Sep 26 13:39:43 JaMa, what task number? Sep 26 13:39:51 JaMa, ah indeed Sep 26 13:39:54 same story here Sep 26 13:41:18 | make: *** [libmpcodecs/vf_phase.o] Error 1 Sep 26 13:41:43 JaMa, what should we do? import linaro patch for mplayer? Sep 26 13:43:44 I don't know where it's broken, maybe one of gcc patches is too strict? because it compiled fine before importing those patches Sep 26 13:44:40 and I have no idea if linaro has patch for neon in mplayer Sep 26 13:45:06 ok Sep 26 13:45:16 let's ask khem|sleep Sep 26 13:47:55 03Martin Jansa  07org.openembedded.dev * r3305401ea5 10openembedded.git/recipes/shr/ (initscripts-shr/volatiles initscripts-shr_0.0.1.bb): Sep 26 13:47:55 initscripts-shr: prepare /var/volatile/appshadow for shr-wizard Sep 26 13:47:55 Signed-off-by: Martin Jansa Sep 26 14:07:39 JaMa, what should we do then? wait? Sep 26 14:14:15 GNUtoo|laptop: yes, wait for khems opinion if you wont solve it yourself (I'm doing something else now) Sep 26 14:18:02 I'm doing something else too Sep 26 14:18:30 (maths, and after or I'll try to debug alsa for qsd or I'll go out) Sep 26 14:20:43 03Martin Jansa  07org.openembedded.dev * r04773f5ff6 10openembedded.git/recipes/shr/ (8 files): Sep 26 14:20:43 shr: bump SRCREVs of recipes from shr-autorev for versions compatible with current EFL_SRCREV Sep 26 14:20:43 Signed-off-by: Martin Jansa Sep 26 15:05:51 I've got a recipe that appears to run configure twice Sep 26 15:05:57 does this make any sense to anyone? Sep 26 15:11:34 what is the bitbake package to build to get a gdb suitable to debug for the current target platform ? Sep 26 15:11:53 gdb-cross amusingly seems to build an ipk for the target :) Sep 26 15:16:32 gdb? Sep 26 15:16:45 you want to run it on the target? Sep 26 16:05:38 JaMa: mplayer interesting problem, I know what it is Sep 26 16:08:21 great Sep 26 16:09:18 JaMa: now we need to use a new qualifier Sep 26 16:09:33 in inline asm because its really using it Sep 26 16:12:41 JaMa: hmmm mplayer built fine here Sep 26 16:17:16 khem: for armv7a? Sep 26 16:17:31 JaMa: yep Sep 26 16:58:29 hmmm. how is OE figuring to rename my package from foo -> libfoo1 ??? Sep 26 16:59:05 no /usr/bin in my package, is this why? Sep 26 16:59:46 khem: wow, linaro is doing a lot. Sep 26 17:18:14 cool cool cool. OE never ceases to amaze :) Sep 26 17:27:01 khem: can you please try to build mplayer_git (I guess you've built default mplayer_svn) Sep 26 17:33:33 hi JaMa Sep 26 17:33:42 did khem respond? Sep 26 17:34:22 GNUtoo|laptop: yes Sep 26 17:34:33 is it fixed? Sep 26 17:34:46 2)what did he said? Sep 26 17:40:34 is there a way to run a kind of bitbake clean to start over the recipes? Sep 26 17:42:05 JaMa: I see Sep 26 17:42:20 GNUtoo|laptop: I will try to bake mplayer_git Sep 26 17:42:30 ok Sep 26 17:42:33 thanks a lot Sep 26 17:42:55 GNUtoo|laptop: I potentially know the problem Sep 26 17:42:57 and fix too Sep 26 17:43:03 but let me verify Sep 26 17:43:18 ok thanks a lot Sep 26 17:43:22 I'm not in a hurry Sep 26 17:43:28 khem: for me both (svn and git) fail Sep 26 17:43:31 mplayer_0.0+1.0rc2.bb is what I have been building Sep 26 17:43:32 so you can take the time to verify Sep 26 17:43:47 I just did bitbake mplayer Sep 26 17:43:52 and it chose that one Sep 26 17:45:01 khem: ah so mplayer_svn is default only for Angstrom sorry I'll try that one too Sep 26 17:46:32 yes it's the default for angstrom Sep 26 17:46:42 ok, same error Sep 26 17:48:34 Error: You need libavutil, MPlayer will not compile without! Sep 26 17:49:53 ah that's not integrated in mplayer? Sep 26 17:50:00 so it should be in ffmpeg Sep 26 17:50:34 I know but why is ffmpeg not in depends Sep 26 17:51:09 ok Sep 26 17:51:16 maybe it's a bug Sep 26 17:51:40 hmm no its there Sep 26 17:51:59 ah maybe paralell race conditions then Sep 26 17:52:10 heh no I was doing bitbake -b Sep 26 17:52:15 ok Sep 26 17:52:23 but same problem is seen in ffmpeg too Sep 26 17:52:38 hmmm maybe it doesn't look at the right place tehn? Sep 26 17:52:46 or try without -b at the cost of speed? Sep 26 17:53:03 I only had issues with -b Sep 26 17:53:48 khem: imho you need newer ffmpeg for svn|git version of mplayer Sep 26 17:54:04 ffmpeg-2_0.5-r16.1 Sep 26 17:54:09 is what I am compiling Sep 26 17:54:18 khem: you need ffmpeg_svn Sep 26 17:54:34 where is D_P -1 and Angstrom and SHR has positive D_P there Sep 26 17:54:54 ahh ok Sep 26 17:54:57 JaMa: i am able to to reproduce the same issue with ffmpeg too Sep 26 17:55:29 * JaMa rebuilding ffmpeg Sep 26 18:00:57 hmm ffmpeg built ok Sep 26 18:01:17 JaMa: same version as mine ? Sep 26 18:01:49 ffmpeg_svn.bb Sep 26 18:01:50 ffmpeg-2_0.5.bb Sep 26 18:03:09 hmmm seems a compiler bug Sep 26 18:06:11 JaMa: GNUtoo|laptop ok I can reproduce the issue Sep 26 18:06:16 nice Sep 26 18:06:21 and its a regression in linaro patches Sep 26 18:06:26 ok Sep 26 18:07:03 good Sep 26 18:07:08 thanks khem Sep 26 18:08:05 as a workaround you can try -mfpu=vfp Sep 26 18:08:18 instead of -mfpu=neon Sep 26 18:09:25 the reason is that without these patches it does not use neon intrs in codegen Sep 26 18:09:31 so it works Sep 26 18:09:46 what about --enable-armvfp ? Sep 26 18:10:27 JaMa: no you dont have to Sep 26 18:10:33 ah ok Sep 26 18:10:45 and I was able to build it with -fno-tree-vectorize instead -ftree-vectorize Sep 26 18:10:55 yep Sep 26 18:11:12 thats a workaround too Sep 26 18:11:19 meanwhile we fix gcc Sep 26 18:11:22 because ffmpeg_svn.bb is using that too Sep 26 18:11:43 actually I see code is using neon heavily now Sep 26 18:11:59 so performance should improve significantly Sep 26 18:12:23 GNUtoo|laptop: Use -fno-tree-vectorize in CFLAGS for time being Sep 26 18:12:48 globally? Sep 26 18:13:12 TARGET_CFLAGS += "-fno-tree-vectorize" in local.conf ? Sep 26 18:13:39 GNUtoo|laptop: there are flags already overriden in that recipe.. Sep 26 18:13:47 ok Sep 26 18:13:49 well use it in packages that are failing with this error Sep 26 18:13:49 GNUtoo|laptop: so you can change it there Sep 26 18:13:52 not globally Sep 26 18:14:08 ok Sep 26 18:14:29 JaMa, so you push to the n900 repo and I pull and we continue building? Sep 26 18:15:36 to be clear you wont lose anything compared to current gcc Sep 26 18:15:57 because current gcc was not vectorizing anything even the option was turned on Sep 26 18:17:11 GNUtoo|laptop: n900 repo is using normal gcc-4.5 without those linaro patches.. so if you need it you can cherry-pick it from my gitorious repo Sep 26 18:18:23 ok Sep 26 18:18:41 where's your repo? Sep 26 18:18:44 gitorious? Sep 26 18:21:56 JaMa: here is reduced testcase http://pastebin.com/z1WxTV0B Sep 26 18:21:57 :) Sep 26 18:22:01 now to fix it Sep 26 18:22:30 GNUtoo|laptop: http://gitorious.org/~jama/angstrom/jama-shr-experimental/ Sep 26 18:22:55 thanks Sep 26 18:24:36 JaMa, you forgott to bump PR in your tree btw Sep 26 18:25:12 (http://gitorious.org/~jama/angstrom/jama-shr-experimental/commit/aac6441f858d1b111300bb03d4866084c0a54db1.diff) Sep 26 18:26:10 we need to get mru to look at the code generated by the linaro compiler Sep 26 18:26:28 Crofton: he will be happier Sep 26 18:26:38 heh Sep 26 18:26:57 only if he can find something to complain about :) Sep 26 18:28:06 GNUtoo|laptop: intentionally, I don't plan to push it yet Sep 26 18:28:12 ok Sep 26 18:42:49 When a software program has hardcoded CC and PREFIX and /usr/include stuff in a config.mk file, what's the recommended way of dealing with that in a recipe? Sep 26 18:43:02 sed? Sep 26 18:43:08 in do_configure Sep 26 18:49:18 I see several approaches in other recipes Sep 26 19:11:26 Crofton: nope, I want a host gdb knowing about arm binaries, to connect to the gdbserver on the target Sep 26 19:50:34 good evening all Sep 26 19:52:23 we have a situation where our broadcaster is transmitting 2 PMT tables on a transponder Sep 26 19:52:35 1 first PMT table is empty Sep 26 19:53:05 this resuts in the "Timeout reading PMT" error Sep 26 19:53:15 jo Sep 26 19:53:45 what is the PMT handler called now ? Sep 26 19:54:40 avr-rulez: are you sure you are in the right channel? Sep 26 19:55:35 sorry - first time here can you direct me elsewhere? Sep 26 19:56:10 o.O Sep 26 19:56:52 avr-rulez: which programm are you talking about? Sep 26 19:57:33 khem, thanks a lot!!!! the performance are a lot better with mplayer Sep 26 19:58:00 gnutoo hm? Sep 26 19:58:13 an h264 movie can now be played Sep 26 19:58:25 gnutoo ???? Sep 26 19:58:27 woglinde, linaro toolchain improvements Sep 26 19:58:39 on which machine? Sep 26 19:58:41 in one of kem's branch Sep 26 19:58:43 nokia900 Sep 26 19:58:46 which is armv7 Sep 26 19:58:49 o.O? Sep 26 19:59:24 as we discussed it yesterday on beagle the mplayer stuff for armv7 neon is handoptimized asm Sep 26 19:59:37 yes Sep 26 19:59:51 so how the hell gcc improves this? Sep 26 19:59:52 but I recompiled the whole system Sep 26 19:59:57 from scratch Sep 26 20:00:04 OE on Dreambox Sep 26 20:00:17 hm Sep 26 20:00:37 and what windowmanger do you run now? Sep 26 20:00:39 Heinervdm: OE on Dreambox.. Sep 26 20:00:52 still enlightenement Sep 26 20:01:42 note that the benchmark is purely subjective Sep 26 20:01:48 so I could be totally wrong Sep 26 20:02:01 avr-rulez: ah ok, then you are probably right. but i have no idea about dreambox Sep 26 20:02:36 still a bit slow but a lot better Sep 26 20:03:50 Heinervdm: Thanks Sep 26 20:14:13 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * rd95fcc5d0c 10openembedded.git/conf/distro/include/angstrom-2010-preferred-versions.inc: angstrom-next: switch to QT 4.7.0 Sep 26 20:21:39 jo kergoth Sep 26 21:04:49 any OE Dreambox dev'd here tonight? Sep 26 23:09:38 03Stanislav Brabec  07org.openembedded.dev * rf8ea4b433d 10openembedded.git/recipes/rt2x00/ (rt3070-2.3.0.4/makefile.patch rt3070_2.3.0.4.bb): rt3070: Added version 2.3.0.4. Sep 26 23:17:31 03Stanislav Brabec  07org.openembedded.dev * r2c59274c8f 10openembedded.git/recipes/wpa-supplicant/ (2 files in 2 dirs): wpa-supplicant: Added version 0.6.10. Refreshed defconfig: Added nl80211 and ralink support. Sep 26 23:26:33 03Stanislav Brabec  07org.openembedded.dev * r1ec526ef13 10openembedded.git/recipes/iw/ (iw/kill-git-version-check.patch iw_0.9.18.bb iw_0.9.19.bb): iw: Updated to version 0.9.20. Removed old versions. Sep 26 23:43:04 angstrom servers are sooo slow! Sep 26 23:50:40 I'm trying to get ruby compiled for OE Sep 26 23:50:55 it works, but the socket extension is not being built for some reason Sep 26 23:52:26 looking at the mkmf.log file in ruby/ext/socket, I see that a number of the checks failed Sep 26 23:52:46 how can I find out if any of those checks were fatal? Sep 26 23:57:36 paste the info on pastebin Sep 27 00:01:44 w|zzy: http://pastebin.com/sAp6wC2F Sep 27 00:01:53 that pastebin is my mkmf.log file Sep 27 00:06:54 ah, I think I may have found an answer: at the bottom of extconf.rb for socket, create_makefile is only executed if the test_function is found in the socket library Sep 27 00:06:59 the test function is socket(2) Sep 27 00:07:17 so then the question is, why doesn't my toolchain have a working socket(2)? Sep 27 00:30:51 anyone know how to disable ipv6 when building OE? Sep 27 00:38:49 hmm, interesting. it appears that the "wide getaddrinfo" check fails because it attempts to build the test program for arm, and then run it on my build system (which is not arm) Sep 27 00:39:31 besides the binary being incompatible, the result of running the program would be incorrect anyway since I am cross compiling Sep 27 01:01:18 jluxenberg: yes, that's a very common problem Sep 27 01:01:24 see the site/ directory in OE Sep 27 01:01:51 in those cases we generally ensure that the test is wrapped in an AC_CACHE_CHECK, then provide the test result via autoconf's test result caching, based on what we're targeting Sep 27 01:02:23 of course, when the test is just a sanity check, and its result isn't actually used, you can wrap the whole block in an if based on $cross_compiling, but those are less common Sep 27 01:06:11 i wonder if anyone has written up the typical crosscompile issues and fixes on the wiki.. Sep 27 01:06:21 hmm Sep 27 01:06:43 kergoth_: my workaround for now is to use a patch to delete the check and set its value to "true" Sep 27 01:06:57 s/workaround/hack/ ;) Sep 27 01:07:11 that works as long as that isn't going upstream to oe anytime soon :) Sep 27 01:07:29 right, would be happy to fix this in a more permanent way that others can use Sep 27 01:07:42 * kergoth_ nods Sep 27 01:08:00 so the right way is to guard it with an if based on $cross_compiling? Sep 27 01:08:29 is that available as an env variable? otherwise I'm not sure how to access it from extconf.rb Sep 27 01:48:09 thats' only the right way if the result of the test is NOT USED Sep 27 01:48:14 * kergoth_ rolls eyes Sep 27 02:40:49 say i run $ bitbake task-sdk-native Sep 27 02:41:09 It compiles alot of packages into .ipk files. Sep 27 02:41:14 Is there a way to push them into the rootfs? Sep 27 02:41:51 into an image. Sep 27 02:43:26 that would be the purpose of all the recipes in openembedded/recipes/images/ Sep 27 02:45:29 Ill have to keep moving through those then. Sep 27 02:45:41 Found it. Sep 27 02:45:43 Sorry to bother **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 27 02:59:57 2010