**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 22 02:59:58 2011 May 22 08:05:15 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r902373f9d4 10openembedded.git/recipes/pulseaudio/pulseaudio.inc: May 22 08:05:15 pulseaudio: package udev rules May 22 08:05:15 Signed-off-by: Koen Kooi May 22 08:05:26 03Koen Kooi  07org.openembedded.dev * r2ff95b0ed0 10openembedded.git/recipes/udev/udev_git.bb: May 22 08:05:26 udev git: bump SRCREV May 22 08:05:26 This includes some systemd service file fixes May 22 15:00:38 I'm trying to compile yocto with uclibc but breaks with: "ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'glib-2.0-native' " May 22 15:00:42 some idea? May 22 15:11:07 egonzalez_ergio: yeah, does not work yet (i tried and failed) May 22 15:11:21 egonzalez_ergio: you could enable USE_NLS='1'.. but you will get other errors there May 22 15:12:00 what is the NLS flag? May 22 15:13:18 egonzalez_ergio: NLS, probably Native Language Support (think iconv). glib requires it. May 22 15:13:31 ok May 22 15:13:43 egonzalez_ergio: anyway, if you want to use OE-Core and uclibc, you will need to be prepared to spend some time on it May 22 15:13:47 distros in OE works fine with uclic May 22 15:13:49 no? May 22 15:14:09 egonzalez_ergio: in plain OE. yes, for ARM/Angstrom it should work fine. May 22 15:14:21 what advantage I have if I use Yocto and not OE May 22 15:14:27 ? May 22 15:15:47 I don't understand well why exist Yocto May 22 15:15:48 :-) May 22 15:17:41 OE is very stable and proved May 22 15:17:49 somebody can explain this to me? May 22 15:23:48 egonzalez_ergio: Yocto is a bigger project/effort. Did you see the Ycoto video? May 22 15:24:00 yes May 22 15:24:12 egonzalez_ergio: e.g. thanks to yocto (windriver) there is now a cross prelink. :) May 22 15:26:10 but I can't see the advantage over OE (yes, have some projects very interesting) but, in the core OE is stable and proved...Why not a only tools project over OE? Why another bakes tree? May 22 15:28:27 egonzalez_ergio: well, by having a less monolithic structure one gets certain advantages. :) May 22 15:28:53 egonzalez_ergio: e.g. 1) it is easier to add BSPs (more well defined), 2) it is easier to test the core (e.g. automatic builds to prove the stable is stable) May 22 15:29:20 egonzalez_ergio: with 2nd) the classes/conf can be quite stable.. while e.g. new Qt is changing a lot faster.. without risking to break things May 22 15:31:12 Yes, it's true May 22 15:31:28 but I can do the same ausing this tools in OE May 22 15:31:31 using May 22 15:31:45 egonzalez_ergio: and 3rd is more outreach thanks to the Linux Foundation. May 22 15:32:03 egonzalez_ergio: yes, but in theory and practice.. everything OE big can do.. OE core + layers will offer as well May 22 15:32:33 yes...it's true May 22 15:33:03 so in transition theory != practice... e.g. MIPS EL not in OE Core and uclibc not ready yet. May 22 15:33:37 you have convinded me ... I'll buy two of this :-) May 22 15:33:42 haha May 22 15:33:45 convinced May 22 15:34:30 the...for use the advantages of OE in YOCTO (like uclibc) there are a solution? May 22 15:34:34 then May 22 15:37:13 egonzalez_ergio: hehe, uclibc needs patches in oe-core. May 22 15:37:43 egonzalez_ergio: e.g. you will need to add USE_NLS_glib-2.0-native = '1' in one of the conf/tc-uclibc.conf files (i got that far) but there is more missing. May 22 15:37:46 brb May 22 15:38:01 :-( May 22 15:40:07 Ok, I've patience and I don't need uclibc for now (I'me using atom but in a not too long time we want to start with ARM) May 22 15:40:18 there are some timeline for this features? May 22 15:40:36 I've thought that NLS is more about gettext than iconv May 22 15:47:00 Jay7: probably true. May 22 15:47:27 Jay7: maybe I can safe myself and say that gettext is using iconv that requires virtual/libiconv.. but maybe I make it worse. :) May 22 15:47:49 zecke: hehe :) May 22 21:15:17 03Henning Heinold  07org.openembedded.dev * r0086e0506e 10openembedded.git/recipes/pulseaudio/ (files/ubacktrace.patch pulseaudio_0.9.22.bb): May 22 21:15:17 pulseaudio: fix compiling on 0.9.22 for new uclibc backtrace support May 22 21:15:17 * bump PR May 22 21:42:42 GNUtoo: hi May 22 21:42:54 had you tried oe in the HTC G1? May 22 21:44:04 kristianpaul, yes of course May 22 21:44:19 I did the port with leviathan and mickeyl May 22 21:46:27 :o :-) May 22 21:46:41 what do you want to know May 22 21:46:44 ? May 22 21:46:48 do you already have one? May 22 21:46:55 because if not don't buy one May 22 21:46:58 it's a very bad device May 22 21:47:25 ah May 22 21:47:31 i was thinking get one May 22 21:47:42 basically it can be very cheap nowadays May 22 21:47:42 i need wifi and cant carry laptop to all places.. May 22 21:47:46 yes May 22 21:47:50 but..... May 22 21:47:57 look at that: May 22 21:47:57 i found one by 150usd in my country May 22 21:48:13 http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison May 22 21:48:24 Wifi doesn't have PSM working yet May 22 21:48:31 and the alsa driver is bad May 22 21:48:41 very bad May 22 21:48:46 maybe it's mplayer tough May 22 21:48:58 since aplay and gstreamer work fine May 22 21:49:36 oh dear.. May 22 21:49:50 the port was very very stressfull May 22 21:49:53 *stressing May 22 21:50:23 else there is replicant that works fine on it.... May 22 21:50:36 but basically if alsa and wifi are fixed May 22 21:50:46 it would be so great and the port will be ok May 22 21:50:46 nah i dont android or free derivaties.. May 22 21:50:49 but without that May 22 21:50:56 hmm May 22 21:51:06 also....be aware that this phone has a big problem: May 22 21:51:23 The baseband has access to the main CPU ram May 22 21:51:29 as i said i just need a device that un oe or, for wifi May 22 21:51:36 wifi can work May 22 21:51:40 however not for very long May 22 21:51:57 I can try to mesure battery life with wifi if you want May 22 21:52:20 * khem is watching final stage of Tour of California May 22 21:52:55 * GNUtoo is watching his wifi logs and trying to fix wl1251_sdio for the htcdream and will fail once more May 22 21:53:03 yes plese GNUtoo May 22 21:53:11 ok May 22 21:53:21 as i said only thing matters to me is wifi, no more May 22 21:53:26 ok May 22 21:53:34 what do you need it for exactly/ May 22 21:53:35 ? May 22 21:53:39 s#/## May 22 21:53:43 ssh? May 22 21:53:49 yup :-) May 22 21:53:52 ok May 22 21:53:54 that can work May 22 21:53:55 and do streaming May 22 21:54:02 streaming of what? May 22 21:54:10 audio streaming, hopefully video? May 22 21:54:12 does it require mplayer? May 22 21:54:15 no May 22 21:54:21 hmmm May 22 21:54:21 gstreamer, darknice May 22 21:54:26 gstreamer works May 22 21:54:31 but the camera doesn't May 22 21:54:43 * GNUtoo already have a hard time with alsa and wifi May 22 21:54:53 * GNUtoo doesn't want to reverse engineer the camera May 22 21:57:08 kristianpaul, what's darknice? May 22 21:57:26 sorry May 22 21:57:31 darkice* May 22 21:57:40 yes, it's a streaming thing? May 22 21:57:45 does it already work in oe? May 22 21:57:47 for audio stream to icecast May 22 21:57:54 no idea, i hope so ;-) May 22 21:57:58 look May 22 21:58:03 find ./ | grep May 22 21:58:15 what does it require? May 22 21:58:18 gstreamer? May 22 21:58:36 audio in May 22 21:58:43 mic in at least* May 22 21:58:47 that can work May 22 21:58:49 let me try May 22 21:59:30 or i can find a 3g modem with serial support, and hook it up to my nanonote.. thats the other plan May 22 21:59:55 3g works on the htcdream May 22 22:00:18 oh May 22 22:00:24 thats a good point :-) May 22 22:00:25 recording also worked with: May 22 22:00:32 arecord -f cd -Dplug:hw:0 > file.wav May 22 22:00:35 i tought 3g dint worked May 22 22:00:37 mplayer file.wav May 22 22:00:50 re-read that maybe: May 22 22:00:56 http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison May 22 22:00:59 ok May 22 22:01:01 je May 22 22:05:16 I'm asking help in kernel newbies May 22 22:14:08 I like also the sciphone g2 in run amstrong and the gsm baseband chip is WIP May 22 22:14:16 and have wifi May 22 22:14:24 may be i save money for ti.. May 22 22:14:28 it* May 22 22:15:03 hmmm May 22 22:15:12 the baseband can take huge time May 22 22:15:31 and it would be dangerous to run that on carrier networks May 22 22:15:31 i know May 22 22:15:38 sure i will not May 22 22:15:59 the dream's keyboard is great btw May 22 22:16:18 yeah i liked the keyboard too May 22 22:16:19 does the sciphone have an hardware keyboard? May 22 22:16:24 nope :( May 22 22:16:31 ouch, for ssh it's not great May 22 22:16:38 but if you have bluetooth on it.... May 22 22:16:46 no thanks May 22 22:16:49 you could wire up a bluetooth keyboard May 22 22:16:50 ok May 22 22:16:53 why? May 22 22:16:59 unsafe? May 22 22:17:06 dont like wiki keyboards for ssh typing May 22 22:17:07 yes May 22 22:17:11 wifi* May 22 22:17:12 ok May 22 22:17:18 bluetooth not wifi May 22 22:17:24 wireless* May 22 22:17:25 sorry May 22 22:17:36 but anyway the dream is not better in this reguard since the baseband can spy the main CPU May 22 22:17:45 oh May 22 22:17:58 shared memory? May 22 22:18:03 I said it earlier May 22 22:18:04 yes May 22 22:18:06 hum, last qauestion May 22 22:18:19 there are pics of htcdream board? May 22 22:18:25 yes May 22 22:18:30 maybe schquematics also? May 22 22:18:31 there are even youtube videos May 22 22:18:32 no May 22 22:18:35 ok May 22 22:18:37 but there are leaked docs May 22 22:18:49 maybe theses leaked docs have schematics May 22 22:22:55 kristianpaul, are you in a hurry for buying? May 22 22:23:20 no May 22 22:23:26 so take your time May 22 22:23:34 the dream isn't the perfect phone.... May 22 22:23:43 sure, i do like take my time May 22 22:24:05 did you finish reading the hardware comparison? May 22 22:24:16 yes May 22 22:27:21 kristianpaul, you could also find an sdio card for the nanonote May 22 22:27:26 *sdio wifi card May 22 22:29:13 kinda expensive for been just a wifi card.. but yes May 22 22:29:31 more expensive than the htc dream? May 22 22:31:06 nope, but i got just one feature ;-) May 22 22:31:56 ok May 22 22:32:07 can you try the htcdream? May 22 22:32:12 some friend have one? May 22 22:32:16 or something like that? May 22 22:32:23 may be, i'll ask May 22 22:32:31 for trying it you need: May 22 22:32:34 *a microsd card May 22 22:32:45 *fastboot(compilable under GNU/Linux) May 22 22:32:53 *a fastboot kernel May 22 22:33:04 you exrtact SHR on the microsd May 22 22:33:08 plug it in the phone May 22 22:33:11 power off the phone May 22 22:33:28 put the phone in bootloader mode May 22 22:33:36 fastboot the kernel May 22 22:33:38 and that's it May 22 22:33:42 no flashing involved May 22 22:33:54 altough he must have rooted his phone already May 22 22:34:03 if he has cyanogen it should be ok May 22 22:34:25 (rooted) hum.. May 22 22:34:38 yes that's a requirement May 22 22:34:47 you also need a microsd card reader May 22 22:34:53 for extracting to the microsd May 22 22:40:33 anyway.. i shall got offline better thant try to reach connectivity everywhere :/ May 22 22:40:51 such as using claws mails May 22 22:40:57 to fetch the mails offline May 22 22:41:14 *to fetch the mails before going offline May 22 22:41:22 and to sync when you get connectivity May 22 23:23:29 Hi all. May 22 23:25:17 I followed openembedded-devel more closely during Fall 2010, and am just coming back to using OE. I wasn't immediately able to find canonical-looking information on what the state of the monolithic "openembedded" repository vs. the layers approach (oe-core, meta-openembedded, etc.) was. May 22 23:26:21 that is, is one now the preferred approach? does it depend on what you want to do? is it currently possible to build a reasonable fraction of the recipes in the original openembedded repo within the layers framework? May 22 23:27:55 i used the angstrom setup-scripts to get meta-angstrom, meta-texasinstruments, and openembedded-core to talk to each other, and successfully built console-image, but i couldn't find layers out there with some of the more full-featured images i was using from the openembedded repo (e.g. beagleboard-demo-image) May 22 23:28:26 any pointers would be appreciated. i poked around the OE wiki a bit but there aren't many references to the monolithic/layers split May 22 23:58:52 hi May 22 23:59:04 I triyng to remake a core-image-base in Yocto after a git pull and I have an error in cairo May 22 23:59:17 cairo-mutex-impl-private.h:262:3: error: #error "XXX: No mutex implementation found. Cairo will not work with multiple threads. Define CAIRO_NO_MUTEX to 1 to acknowledge and accept this limitation and compile cairo without thread-safety support." May 22 23:59:20 some idea? May 23 02:50:34 mrj10: those images need populating May 23 02:50:56 mrj10: with your checkout you can build efl-nodm-image May 23 02:51:00 which is graphical May 23 02:52:45 khem: ok, i'll give that one a shot at some point; it uses enlightenment, right? May 23 02:52:55 yes May 23 02:53:11 mrj10: but now all we need is bring the needed recipes May 23 02:53:17 and populate the images May 23 02:54:50 that's good to hear. is it more involved than copy/paste? i recall there being some discussion of deprecating/leaving out a bunch of abandoned recipes -- maybe deciding which are abandoned has something to do with it? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 23 02:59:58 2011