**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 13 02:59:57 2011 Oct 13 04:10:13 In OE, I have a kernel module enabled in defconfig, how do I build a "kernel-module-" package out of it? Oct 13 04:14:25 you don't have to do anything. those packages are automatically emitted for kernel recipes Oct 13 04:19:49 kergoth_, thanks Oct 13 06:56:38 gm all Oct 13 06:57:19 khem: ping Oct 13 07:02:39 good morning Oct 13 07:03:16 anyone here going to the general assembly and not yet proxying 2 peoples ? Oct 13 07:09:49 ericben: I may go 50% chance Oct 13 07:10:52 likewise: okmay you please confirm that once you know ? Oct 13 07:11:13 ericben: yes, on what email address can I contact you then? Oct 13 07:11:31 eric at eukrea dot com Oct 13 07:12:39 Eric, sure noted. Oct 13 07:12:56 thanks Oct 13 07:16:45 ericben: you have a private message Oct 13 07:17:42 likewise: sorry I just saw this you now have a private answer ;-) Oct 13 07:21:58 good morning Oct 13 07:37:37 moin Oct 13 07:37:53 OMG... i struggle with getting module_conf_a_module ... packaged. :( Oct 13 07:42:52 zecke: you getting rusty? :-) Oct 13 07:43:05 and gm by the way Oct 13 07:44:51 likewise: yes, and the disk is too slow... packaging the kernel takes time... and the module name is mISDN_l1loop.ko.. Oct 13 07:47:53 zecke: well I'm getting more rusty also. I have not touched OE for months now. It might have disappeared and I might not even be aware of it. Oct 13 07:48:35 off to bed, I'm in this .com timezone so I need some sleep. Oct 13 07:48:54 oh, sleep well Oct 13 07:48:55 bye all Oct 13 07:49:03 tnx Oct 13 09:03:07 hi all Oct 13 09:06:53 hi bluelightning Oct 13 09:18:08 PaulePanter: there is an issue in python-numpy_1.4.1.bb Oct 13 09:18:38 | ERROR: Exception: Message:[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/koan/devel/openembedded/recipes/python/python-numpy/./config.h' Oct 13 09:18:55 the files are actually into arm subdir Oct 13 09:31:51 how to profile an application on device ?= Oct 13 09:39:37 03Marco Cavallini  07master * rd70f318a28 10openembedded.git/conf/distro/kaeilos.conf: kaeilos.conf: added java support Oct 13 09:39:58 hm hm Oct 13 09:40:05 meta-java layer Oct 13 09:43:38 woglinde: it's on oe-core feature list for 1.2 :) Oct 13 09:44:29 woglinde: http://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1613 Oct 13 10:02:09 I changed my OE build machine migrating to Ubuntu 10.04 instead of the old Debian Lenny Oct 13 10:02:45 What do I have to do to get write access (git push) again? Oct 13 10:03:07 may I simply copy any fie from the old HD or do I have to regenerate keys? Oct 13 10:10:25 mckoan copy your key Oct 13 10:10:36 secret one of course Oct 13 10:11:54 jama hm okay would be nice if the intel guys does something in this direction Oct 13 10:16:07 woglinde: thx, actually I already copied the whole ~/.ssh dir Oct 13 10:16:32 I wonder why it doesn't work Oct 13 10:18:05 mckoan likely because of the git server transition Oct 13 10:18:11 from yesterday Oct 13 10:18:43 woglinde: aha! :-D Oct 13 10:18:58 dont you read your emails? Oct 13 10:19:13 but I did a push using the old system a few minute ago and it worked Oct 13 10:20:03 aeh? Oct 13 10:20:17 hm hm Oct 13 10:20:21 than ask cbrake Oct 13 10:22:54 woglinde: thx, let's him wake up then Oct 13 10:28:58 he obi Oct 13 10:38:13 03Marco Cavallini  07master * rc07e5f62b2 10openembedded.git/conf/distro/kaeilos-2010.conf: kaeilos-2010.conf: marked as obsolete Oct 13 10:38:55 woglinde: solved Getting the fresh data in write-access mode Oct 13 10:39:01 http://wiki.openembedded.org/index.php/GitPhraseBook#Pushing_your_changes Oct 13 10:39:09 good Oct 13 10:39:17 :-D Oct 13 10:46:15 he zecke Oct 13 10:46:21 read your email on the isdn ml Oct 13 10:56:01 hi Oct 13 10:57:50 woglinde: ISDN on Linux is a mess. Sangoma/Digium suck, mISDN is... well. Oct 13 11:05:46 zecke you forgot Oct 13 11:05:54 isdn is only a german thinggie Oct 13 11:06:28 with most people using fritz stuff Oct 13 11:06:34 on windows Oct 13 11:07:28 woglinde: well, if you call it E1 and T1 it becomes Telco thing Oct 13 11:08:20 yeah and they use other prop stuff Oct 13 11:09:13 woglinde: yeah, but it still (mostly) the same... well ISDN PRI (not the BRI stuff for consumers) Oct 13 11:09:50 at least you can pay Karsten to fix stuff Oct 13 11:10:41 woglinde: we could, but mISDNs mainline story is not a lot better. :( Oct 13 11:10:53 It's exactly the same, E1/T1 is frequrnly presented as a customer interface. Oct 13 11:12:25 * ant_work still has a Zyxel Elite 2864i around if anyone is interested Oct 13 11:12:25 broonie: BRI/PRI? different checksums you can use on TS0, different amount of B-Chans, or what are you referring to? Oct 13 11:12:52 ant_work: hehe, cute. Oct 13 11:12:52 zecke: I was referring to the comment about E1/T1 being telco things. Oct 13 11:13:39 zecke: BRI and E1/T1 are both widely deployed customer interfaces (E1/T1 much more so than BRI these days I expect). Oct 13 11:14:25 broonie: ah okay, I was mostly looking in what you can buy as HW in Germany (ISDN BRI cards). But sure the whole PBX movement makes a lot of people have E1 links. :) Oct 13 11:14:50 hm what did I missed? Oct 13 11:14:50 broonie: I started with ISDN as a consumer in germany... ten years gone.. now with GSM I am back to it. Oct 13 11:15:00 woglinde: free windows phones Oct 13 11:15:06 Most offices with more than 2/3 people are going to have primary rate telephony drops into them, have done for years. Oct 13 11:15:08 with isdn? Oct 13 11:15:23 Over a decade in fact. Oct 13 11:15:25 hi broonie btw. Oct 13 11:16:14 woglinde_: Either E1 or T1 depending on if you're in a backwards country or not. Oct 13 11:16:15 broonie: true, in germany we had the ISDN hype in the mid nineties for fast internet (upt to 128kb with two B-chans), this was before running a PBX became affordable. Oct 13 11:17:08 zecke: Yeah, that's fine for home use but if you've got an office with non-trivial phone use the two channels are totally inadequate. Oct 13 11:17:28 zecke: For home use it'd have been BRI. Oct 13 11:18:15 broonie: sure, or for a GSM BTS which has a proper E1/T1 connection to connect to the BSC. I am just back to ISDN due working with older GSM BaseTransceiverStation equipment Oct 13 11:19:46 broonie: but my complain is just from a Software Point of View... Dahdi is out of tree, Sangoma's stuff was in tree, forked, and their wanpipe and the one in kernel drifted apart Oct 13 11:20:13 I haven't seen your mail, I was just commenting on the technologies. Oct 13 11:20:18 $WORK-1 was totally out of tree. Oct 13 11:20:22 But for voice only. Oct 13 11:22:34 broonie we have antother service still around fax Oct 13 11:22:52 Yeah, $WORK-1 did fax too. Oct 13 11:43:33 mckoan: I do not know much about NumPy, just that Koen said its build system is broken regarding cross compilation. Thread: python-numpy prone to use host libraries Oct 13 11:44:24 Are you fixing the recipe? I have those host libraries installed so I do get another error than you do. Oct 13 12:33:35 PaulePanter: I do not know about NumPy, I simply face to this error during build today Oct 13 12:38:18 any angstrom specialist around ? (ok, they have an own channel but a very silent one ) Oct 13 12:43:54 lautriv just ask Oct 13 12:47:23 woglinde_, i ran in a chicken-egg probem. built a new image for qemu from latest oe-core, but that gcc was incomplete. i pulled a (slightly more recent) gcc from the angstrom feeds and need also some -dev packages to compile a kernel on the qemu. existing glibc6 is older than the installed and also no libncurses5-dev available. now my question : where could i pull complete *.opk to get a make menuconfig (and kernel-compile) up ? Oct 13 12:58:52 lautriv why the hell you are compiling a kernel inside qemu? Oct 13 13:10:53 hi xora Oct 13 13:11:49 hey Oct 13 13:15:37 gm Oct 13 13:15:49 hey Crofton|work Oct 13 13:15:51 hehe Oct 13 13:15:57 now I have to p[rint XorA 's email so I can remember how to vote his proxy :) Oct 13 13:16:27 actually, my preference is do nothing and see if we can arrange two GA's per year, one in the UIS and the other in .eu :) Oct 13 13:16:55 Crofton|work: Id rather see two developers meetings Oct 13 13:17:09 This whole thing seems extremely complicaetd. Oct 13 13:17:13 GA is just a formality for running a corporation Oct 13 13:17:19 SPI is nowhere near this much overhead for Debian. Oct 13 13:17:28 spi Oct 13 13:17:35 software in the public interest? Oct 13 13:17:39 Crofton|work: Yes. Oct 13 13:18:17 I suspect they undferstand how their rules work better :) Oct 13 13:18:25 I think the overhead is basically due to us nicking the KDE eV statues and they dont fit our working style as we dont have a yearly developers meeting we can tag a GA onto Oct 13 13:18:28 Any time anything with the eV happens it just seems to be enormous amounts of procedural discussion and faf. Oct 13 13:18:45 faff Oct 13 13:19:02 if OEDEM was organised, sponsored and happened every year like clockwork, GA would be a 30 mins meeting on one afternoon Oct 13 13:19:28 http://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/by-laws/ Oct 13 13:19:30 if there was a OEDAM as well, an EGM could be held if required but not neccessary Oct 13 13:19:53 I think we can tack it on the ELC conferences Oct 13 13:20:08 XorA: Well, there's also the fact that the eV is apparently doing enough stuff that everyone wants to be directly involved in it. Oct 13 13:20:09 which seem to be twice a year, one in .eu and the other in .us Oct 13 13:20:14 ELC is a bad time as it collides with UDS and Linaro Oct 13 13:20:24 which draws off half out developers Oct 13 13:20:36 Those guys are just trouble :) Oct 13 13:20:45 aye, but they have more $$$ than we do Oct 13 13:20:59 of course if we could colocate with Linaro meeting :-D Oct 13 13:21:10 so noted Oct 13 13:21:13 XorA: The fact that everyone seems to want to be directly involved in the running of the eV seems more of a problem than organizign the meeting. Oct 13 13:21:40 broonie, we just need to undertand what works best and do it, that is why we are having the conversation Oct 13 13:21:51 spi has had years to figure this stuff out Oct 13 13:21:54 we haven't Oct 13 13:22:10 Crofton|work: SPI worked pretty much from the get go, there's literally never been any of this stuff. Oct 13 13:22:59 Crofton|work: Mostly because it's constructed so that it's purely about moving the money around based on the requests from the projects (which run themselves in whatever random way they feel like). Oct 13 13:23:06 well, maybe they had leadership that knew what they were doing .... Oct 13 13:24:45 well its a difference in laws as well Oct 13 13:25:07 main reason we went eV is .de used to outweigh any other country for number of OE developers Oct 13 13:25:32 and zeckes hometown is awesome :-) Oct 13 13:26:39 But the eV wouldn't be a problem or any real work if the rest of OE ran like clockwork and we all gathered for beers regularly Oct 13 13:26:55 XorA, we are working on that :) Oct 13 13:27:21 Ive just been unlucky with GA meetings as I was ill last year and overworked this year Oct 13 13:28:20 * XorA also suspects myself and pb_ are the only people geeky enough to read the statutes :-D Oct 13 13:29:52 koen and RP_ are trying to have an important discussion :) Oct 13 13:30:14 we don't listen to those guys, thats just crazy talk :-) Oct 13 13:31:05 pb_s suggestion of extending the wording so participation in any eV vote even its internet is good Oct 13 13:31:20 mckoan: So why did you ping me in the first place? Oct 13 13:31:22 and thats a simple change to make at a GA Oct 13 13:31:56 XorA: The laws thing is semi-orthogonal; if people don't need to worry about the admin stuff then you don't need to get such wide participation. Oct 13 13:33:24 broonie: AFAIK German law requires us to have a GA once a year, we unfortunately chose badly the statutes Oct 13 13:33:48 * XorA could be wrong as he cant actually read the eV foundation documents Oct 13 13:34:18 I guess we can fix 90% of the problems people have with OE if we provided a fallback source mirror for all sources that get filled as soon someone pushes a new bb :) Oct 13 13:34:19 xora no its right Oct 13 13:34:27 XorA: Yeah, but if as pb_ is suggesting (and me earlier) the GA isn't just an administritive thing people wouldn't be so worked up about actually attending.; Oct 13 13:34:28 e.v. has to do at least on ga per year Oct 13 13:34:44 right Oct 13 13:35:08 SPI has an AGM but it's crushingly uninteresting. Oct 13 13:35:37 (And Debian UK Society has an AGM which we make fun by trying to rush through it as quickly as possible - this year took 1:30) Oct 13 13:35:37 broonie: hence why I said we actually need to concentrate on having regular OEDEM and GA becomes a 30m nodding session Oct 13 13:36:02 XorA: Yeah, separate out the technical work from the GA. Oct 13 13:36:21 this year is unusual as OEDEM didnt happen so the people arent naturally gathered already Oct 13 13:36:33 I'm mostly just saying that whatever is going on right now is *clearly* broken. Oct 13 13:37:10 It should be "I can't make teh GA, thank goodness!" not "You're depriving me of my right to vote at the GA" Oct 13 13:37:38 broonie: thats not the issue, the issue is peoples membership state changes if they do not attend Oct 13 13:38:03 XorA: Oh, clearly. Oct 13 13:38:31 XorA: I don't really understand why it's not tied to technical work TBH. Oct 13 13:38:37 basically the default statutes are too strict on the definition of exercising your rights Oct 13 13:38:59 which is why my email and pb_s email suggests fixing them Oct 13 13:39:09 g.a is not technial only administreativ Oct 13 13:39:20 XorA: Yeah, I agree with you guys. I'm just depressed that this seems to come up every single time. Oct 13 13:39:47 Still, you guys can all use your OE contributions to become full SPI members if OE eV demotes you :) Oct 13 13:39:49 problem is all about money Oct 13 13:39:52 *g* Oct 13 13:39:57 place a coherent proposal on the agenda Oct 13 13:40:19 it is virtually impossible to write one during the meeting Oct 13 13:40:24 woglinde: like always ;) Oct 13 13:40:41 Crofton|work: pb_ has already said it in his email Oct 13 13:41:05 Crofton|work: but a German speaker needs to make the diff file for statutes Oct 13 13:41:20 Crofton|work: unless we vote to switch to English version :-) Oct 13 13:41:31 XorA: interesting point :) Oct 13 13:41:32 * Crofton|work was wondering if we could do that Oct 13 13:42:02 I was given impression statutes could be in any language at earlier GA Oct 13 13:42:09 unlikely... but making a proper translation and changing the german statutes should not be that hard Oct 13 13:42:40 Move the statues to Xhosa so the German speakers don't have an unfair advantage :) Oct 13 13:44:57 I think we should write them in Z then they can be proved :-D Oct 13 13:48:31 this will bloat them a little bit, right? ;) Oct 13 13:48:49 would rather Oct 13 13:51:57 * XorA laughs Oct 13 13:52:05 take a rain forest to print them Oct 13 13:52:20 woglinde, still around ? Oct 13 13:52:43 yes Oct 13 13:53:49 Oh... core-image-sato pulls in flac - this is good, maybe I can play flac files in my livingroom soon :-) Oct 13 13:53:56 woglinde, had a phone-call ...you asked why i will compile inside qemu, this is because some machine-independend test-situations, the real target gets some parts via SD card later on. Oct 13 13:54:30 ERROR: Could not include required file recipes-graphics/xorg-xserver/xserver-xf86-dri-lite.inc Oct 13 13:54:37 I updates oe-core and got this Oct 13 13:54:47 you need to update also other layers Oct 13 13:55:10 and maybe you have some layer which is not yet fixed Oct 13 13:55:34 I should have updated all of them Oct 13 13:55:39 using oebb.sh update Oct 13 13:55:52 which layers do you have? Oct 13 13:56:11 or git grep for xserver-xf86-dri-lite in all of them :) Oct 13 13:57:40 lautriv hm so your device will be shipped with an sdk on it Oct 13 13:57:57 all we need is a thing like the android repo tool ;) Oct 13 13:58:20 florian yeah an forking all the projects we are using Oct 13 13:58:26 re zecke Oct 13 13:58:26 or we just switch to the android build system ;) Oct 13 13:58:29 *cough* Oct 13 13:59:28 woglinde: yeah... and removal of all lowlevel documentation Oct 13 14:03:56 jama, looks like the problem is meta-intel patches that are not applied Oct 13 14:05:18 woglinde, nope it doesn't ship with anything related and i will put the minimal system on a SD started via haret. Oct 13 14:06:55 lautriv so why the hell you than compile inside qemu? Oct 13 14:07:03 instead of using oe Oct 13 14:07:36 woglinde, because the oe does NOT know anything about that device and i have to fiddle aroud to get some hints. Oct 13 14:08:13 lautriv and? Oct 13 14:08:26 use a similar machine for getting gcc-cross build Oct 13 14:08:36 and you can build the kernel on your buildserver Oct 13 14:08:54 * Crofton|work is slowly disabling layers he doesn't need :) Oct 13 14:09:23 woglinde, oe does a bunch of needless things over and over WHY should i call bitbake for small changes in a kernel ? Oct 13 14:10:03 lautriv only for getting gcc-cross build Oct 13 14:10:08 than you have a toolchain Oct 13 14:10:13 and dont need qemu Oct 13 14:10:19 which slows thinks down Oct 13 14:10:26 and make it compilcated Oct 13 14:10:37 and another pitfall Oct 13 14:11:27 woglinde, using the angstrom toolchain was my first attempt, failed. then i built a toolchain for a similar machine (hx4700) but anyway i win nothing. Oct 13 14:11:55 what failed? Oct 13 14:11:55 Crofton|work: yup, there are at least 2 different patches, but nothing was applied yet Oct 13 14:14:25 woglinde, the whole oe is somewhat crappy since kernel.org is not ready and the toolchain (even it was tuned like expected) was simply ignored. Oct 13 14:16:23 kernel.org failure is not oe ones Oct 13 14:16:59 woglinde, however, it affects the thing. Oct 13 14:17:03 who needs kernel.org when good distros have right premirrors :) Oct 13 14:17:22 Well, the reliance on k.o infrastructure is an issue. Oct 13 14:17:42 JaMa, if that were the case, why does oe not link there ? Oct 13 14:18:12 lautriv: it does.. it depends on distro config Oct 13 14:21:21 JaMa, it's easyer to build from scratch than going through the whole tree of oe and versioning-crap. Oct 13 14:22:12 try it if you think so Oct 13 14:22:45 JaMa, i did so decades ago to bring linux on SGI(mips) machines. Oct 13 14:22:50 * JaMa thinks that cross-building from scratch is as crappy as it is creepy.. Oct 13 14:24:18 I mean.. it's hard to build manually even small system.. but to build whole full image manually would be almost imposible Oct 13 14:25:05 lautriv if you think oe is crap at all now Oct 13 14:25:12 hm why should I help you anymore Oct 13 14:25:14 Are all these GA discussion on a separate list? Oct 13 14:25:43 PaulePanter: yes on oe-members list Oct 13 14:25:53 lautriv: note that JaMa and me are building on self-built Gentoo OS :) Oct 13 14:26:01 PaulePanter: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-members/ Oct 13 14:26:16 ant_work: you mean manually calling portage to build it for us :P Oct 13 14:26:30 JaMa: Thanks. Oct 13 14:26:32 JaMa, in oe i tried a bunch of different images, anything beside a console-image fails somewhere and bringing this failures back to work is not comfortabler. Oct 13 14:26:32 we both tried the cross-compile way..the hard pain Oct 13 14:27:32 lautriv: atm there are a couple of nasty issues, true Oct 13 14:27:40 lautriv: and you belive that you would be able to build whole console-image manually from scratch without 1 single build error? Oct 13 14:29:27 cross building whole image is _difficult_ task and OE is great because it allows you to do it automatically you get almost reproducible builds and build issues are resolved by group of people not just the one running ./configure && make && make install in hundrets of directories by himself.. :) Oct 13 14:31:14 and you have that already packaged for free Oct 13 15:19:23 I've built an sdk with oe on the 2011.03-maintenance branch, and I am now trying to set up a local.conf to use the sdk as an external toolchain and I get problems building gtk+-native. any ideas on where I should start debugging this? Oct 13 15:26:01 ? Oct 13 15:26:19 gchiii how the hell the sdk should build a native package? Oct 13 15:27:51 woglinde, I have no idea, but after setting up to use the external toolchain if I do a bitbake gtk+ it has failures building gtk+-native Oct 13 15:28:49 I have eliminated any multi-threaded issues by trying with one thread and no parallel makes Oct 13 15:28:59 check the configure.log output Oct 13 15:29:19 and again the external sdk should have no influence on native packages Oct 13 15:29:39 but maybee the maintaince branch has some problems anyway Oct 13 15:29:45 crap... asterisk having a look in /usr/local/include... Oct 13 15:30:35 sed it Oct 13 15:30:54 isnt there a asterisk .bb from crofton? Oct 13 15:31:37 isn't that old? Oct 13 15:40:31 yeah there is stonage asteriks Oct 13 15:40:34 older asteriks Oct 13 15:40:41 and brand new asterisk Oct 13 15:41:24 hm crofton .bbed stoneage asterisk if I remember correctly Oct 13 15:41:29 woglinde: brand new? where? Oct 13 15:41:38 woglinde, it appears that in the log.do_configure we are using the pkg-config from the sdk/external toolchain: checking for pkg-config... /opt/cuckoo/arm/bin/pkg-config Oct 13 15:41:39 checking for x86_64-linux-pkg-config... /opt/cuckoo/arm/bin/pkg-config Oct 13 15:41:51 is that correct? Oct 13 15:42:29 hi zecke Oct 13 15:42:43 pb_: hey, how is life? Oct 13 15:43:24 pretty good, I guess. how are things with you? Oct 13 15:44:11 pb_: up and down, learning more about business development. :) Oct 13 15:44:22 heh, very good Oct 13 15:44:24 where are you working now? Oct 13 15:45:07 pb_: freelance, and we created sysmocom.de... trying to sell hardware products. dealing with recycling laws is the thing that gives me the greatest headache Oct 13 15:45:33 zecke: RoHS? Oct 13 15:46:30 zecke: ah, right. do you have WEEE laws even for business to business in germany? Oct 13 15:46:56 I though 1.7/1.8 is brandnww Oct 13 15:47:00 thought Oct 13 15:47:07 have a nice rest of the day Oct 13 15:47:30 bye mckoan Oct 13 15:48:46 here in the UK the WEEE legislation is less onerous if you are not selling direct to "consumers" Oct 13 15:48:57 you do still have some obligations but they aren't nearly as many. Oct 13 15:50:03 its similar here... but the whole process is a major pain here Oct 13 15:51:21 pb_: WEEE, no but we are selling to 'consumers' Oct 13 15:51:35 pb_: today morning I wondered if i should just stuff everything into plush animals Oct 13 15:52:00 woglinde: where do you see 1.7/1.8? i only see 1.4 Oct 13 15:52:09 not as .bb Oct 13 15:52:13 I already said Oct 13 15:52:23 -> 17:37 < woglinde> hm crofton .bbed stoneage asterisk if I remember correctly Oct 13 15:52:38 pb_: do you have special laws for low quantity sales? Oct 13 15:52:56 zecke: not as such, but the kind of products that you are selling would probably be classed as business to business Oct 13 15:53:22 (judging from what's on your website, anyway) Oct 13 15:53:46 zecke: this does not count... but you could try to make it a part for an electronic plush animal construction kit. this might be okay... Oct 13 15:54:15 florian: I think it does... so even if the electronic broke, the plus animal is still cool... and no one needs to throw it away. Oct 13 15:54:25 pb_: we have cellphones in our shop (shop.sysmocom.de) Oct 13 15:55:25 ah, I see Oct 13 15:55:29 zecke: these might have a weee registration already Oct 13 15:55:57 zecke: unfortunately "needing" to throw it away is not the point. if someone decides to throw it away, even if it isn't actually broken, it's still weee. Oct 13 15:56:06 (if it's got electronics in, anyway) Oct 13 15:56:16 obviously if it was _just_ a plush animal then you would have no problem :-) Oct 13 15:57:29 pb_: hmm, the example I had in mind was a plush animal with some sound generation... this would not be part of WEEE according to the german understanding. Oct 13 15:57:45 lol Oct 13 15:57:47 really= Oct 13 15:57:49 ? Oct 13 15:57:59 zecke: hm. I'm pretty sure it would be in the uk. Oct 13 15:58:04 florian: it does not matter if someone else has applied for the registration of this specific product/name, every company needs to 'register' Oct 13 15:58:10 woglinde: german weee rules are really strange sometimes Oct 13 15:58:11 anything with a battery in is weee, more or less by definition. Oct 13 15:58:21 woglinde: yes, just read that yesterday Oct 13 15:58:55 so its just like you have a diet drink you dont need to apply for bottle fee Oct 13 15:59:53 zecke: right... but its a difference if you have to declare consumer stuff or du b2b only Oct 13 15:59:55 so.. i was always angry when companies made 66 USD -> EUR 66... but with WEEE... changed warranty it can make sense. :( Oct 13 16:00:43 weee ic completely insane - it could have bee much easier and cheaper. Oct 13 16:00:50 s/ic/is Oct 13 16:01:30 yeah, i would prefer a flat rate for small companies. Oct 13 16:01:43 but then there is no market for recycling companies.. :) Oct 13 16:02:07 do we really have a statue in our e.v. when not voting you will not be an active memeber? Oct 13 16:02:10 hm Oct 13 16:02:15 * woglinde should read it Oct 13 16:02:23 good plan Oct 13 16:02:25 :-) Oct 13 16:02:42 woglinde: yes, this was copied from the KDE e.V. one Oct 13 16:02:52 woglinde: you can become active just by asking to be active again Oct 13 16:02:59 * woglinde slaps zecke for not changing it Oct 13 16:03:27 woglinde: i think it is a good one.. this way you never run into the situation of not having a majority because of many many inactive members Oct 13 16:03:35 I never heard of such an statue in any other e.v. I am member Oct 13 16:04:37 but on the other side the e.v. didnt enforced it Oct 13 16:05:00 so I am still active member Oct 13 16:05:07 woglinde: IIRC you can ask to becom active anytime you want Oct 13 16:05:16 zecke: that is correct Oct 13 16:05:32 woglinde: even _before_ the assembly Oct 13 16:05:50 basically "board can I become active" board: "yes!" Oct 13 16:05:55 the clause only blows up administration Oct 13 16:06:03 has not any real effect Oct 13 16:06:33 of course the version in English on wiki is much more interesting, we have to have tidy meetings apparently Oct 13 16:06:54 woglinde: well, it has the real effect that one can update the By-Laws... without having to wakeup dead people Oct 13 16:06:58 google had fun translating I think Oct 13 16:30:35 RP_: matchbox-theme-sato in oe-core fails to download for me. I end up in getting some html instead of the archive. Oct 13 16:32:59 florian: is it a 404 page? Oct 13 16:36:14 msm: no Oct 13 16:36:28 it seems to be caused by a redirect Oct 13 16:37:11 wget should redirect by default Oct 13 16:37:43 true... but the redirect is wrong Oct 13 16:38:12 and ends up in a directory instead of the file on the new server Oct 13 16:39:05 yeah, it's not a wget problem. it looks as though http://pokylinux.org/releases/ is just redirected to some yocto archive page irrespective of the rest of the path. Oct 13 16:40:55 the good place would appear to be downloads.yoctoproject.org/releases/sato/... Oct 13 16:41:20 so I guess the easiest thing is probably to fix the bb file rather than the broken server Oct 13 16:41:53 indead Oct 13 16:41:57 eh Oct 13 16:42:05 * florian should take a rest Oct 13 16:45:58 bbiab Oct 13 16:58:27 woglinde, JaMa sorry for late answer i was in hurry ..... i won't say oe is unusable or needless, just wondering why there are preconfigured collections which can't produce the desired result. i don't find always the correct word because english is not my foreign language. Oct 13 17:03:04 lautriv sure oe isnt perfect Oct 13 17:03:12 but is worked hard on it Oct 13 17:05:21 what magic do I need in a recipe if building it depends on a perl module from cpan ? Oct 13 17:06:45 woglinde, i know how hard that project is, it is a pain to have the whole thing in sync and i appredicate the work. just frustrating if one makes use of it and anything but the expected happens :-) Oct 13 17:14:07 lautriv and to be honest you didnt used oe as was meant to be used Oct 13 17:22:46 woglinde, actually i can't because i will bring up an unknown device. Oct 13 18:20:19 4 Oct 13 18:20:31 ups Oct 13 18:41:36 * Jay7 is looking for proxy for GA :) Oct 13 18:44:42 Is someone using src_distribute_local class? Oct 13 18:44:46 (oe-core) Oct 13 19:12:58 otavio: not recently, how did it break? Oct 13 19:32:27 zecke, by any chance are you updating the asterisk recipe? Oct 13 19:32:51 crofton *g* Oct 13 20:28:53 khem: We still need ngix help? Oct 13 20:29:02 rewrite is a concrete question I can ask my friend about, heh Oct 13 20:31:46 Crofton: I have one that 'compiles'... but it doesn't follow the OE package split up Oct 13 20:32:27 cool Oct 13 20:32:33 Tartarus: We have set it up for most parts Oct 13 20:32:49 is it a crazy idea to include "-native" stuff in an sdk, so that it won Oct 13 20:32:51 Does that mean there's still something to work out? Oct 13 20:32:51 zecke *g* I think crofton can di it Oct 13 20:32:52 Tartarus: we need help in converting out apache2 rewrite rules if possible Oct 13 20:32:57 OK Oct 13 20:33:00 't need to be built again Oct 13 20:33:03 Can you give me an example rule that needs rewriting? Oct 13 20:33:10 Tartarus: I can send you the config file Oct 13 20:33:24 that'd also work Oct 13 20:33:25 isnt the syntax the same? Oct 13 20:33:27 args Oct 13 20:33:28 sorry Oct 13 20:33:39 lighttp was same Oct 13 20:34:35 Crofton: http://paste.lisp.org/display/125300, is what i have right now Oct 13 20:34:50 Tartarus: emailed to u Oct 13 20:34:54 i needed it for a demo, I have no plan to use asterisk. Oct 13 20:35:03 gmail or ti? Oct 13 20:35:12 Tartarus: gmail Oct 13 20:35:20 are you at TI or mentor Oct 13 20:35:24 TI Oct 13 20:35:26 got it Oct 13 20:35:29 hmm Oct 13 20:35:41 congrats when did you change the color :) Oct 13 20:37:55 khem: OK first comment is that it should already be working in ngix, heh Oct 13 20:38:00 Did we try and get some failure? Oct 13 20:39:05 zecke --without-misdn? Oct 13 20:39:10 is that misdn1 or 2? Oct 13 20:40:49 Tartarus: e.g. go to any oe-commit mails and try to click the link Oct 13 20:40:54 to commit url Oct 13 20:43:23 k Oct 13 20:44:38 So to be clear, we want http://git.openembedded.org/?p=openembedded-core.git&a=commit;h=8465b7d7d069b3d6f485daf22672f57ea17a4cb0 to become http://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/?id=8465b7d7d069b3d6f485daf22672f57ea17a4cb0 for example Oct 13 20:45:10 woglinde: I don't know. Oct 13 20:45:20 woglinde: I am using chan_lcr from LCR to connect GSM Oct 13 20:45:21 zecke btw. without filename Oct 13 20:45:30 not sure which version it is Oct 13 20:45:34 zecke ah right lcr Oct 13 20:45:35 1.8.7.0 Oct 13 20:46:01 Tartarus: yes Oct 13 20:46:05 k Oct 13 20:46:06 woglinde: lcr tries to find /usr/include/gsm/gsm.h... it includes it like this and links /usr/lib/libgsm.a Oct 13 20:46:42 hehe it still uses libgsm fro jutta Oct 13 20:51:19 khem: (01:46:43 PM) Jon: just do rewrite ^(/.*)p=(.*)&h=(.)$ http://git.openebedded.org/$1/commit/$2 redirect Oct 13 20:52:00 (01:47:32 PM) Jon: sorry thats $2 $3, you dont need the parens for $1 so if u can remove those Oct 13 21:00:04 Tartarus: so finally what should it look like Oct 13 21:00:39 I think Oct 13 21:01:51 rewrite ^/.*p=(.*)&h=(.)$ http://git.openebedded.org/$1/commit/$2 redirect Oct 13 21:14:52 khem: heh, on further thought, it's trickier due to our original url Oct 13 21:16:30 Tartarus: yes Oct 13 21:27:56 khem: OK, got something I think now Oct 13 21:29:03 if ($arg_p ~* "(.*)\.git") { set $command $1; } if ($arg_a ~* "(.*);h=(.*)") { set $commit $1; set $id $2; } rewrite ^ http://cgit.openembedded.net/$command/$commit/?id=$id? redirect; Oct 14 00:52:32 khem: ping Oct 14 00:55:16 argh. anyone else using oe-core/meta-oe getting: ERROR: Could not include required file recipes-graphics/xorg-xserver/xserver-xf86-dri-lite.inc Oct 14 01:21:18 jkridner: yes Oct 14 01:22:38 jkridner: apply http://patches.openembedded.org/patch/13021/ Oct 14 01:22:49 thanks! Oct 14 01:27:36 khem: http://pastebin.com/cfht1ZzT Oct 14 01:31:22 jkridner: cd into sources/meta-intel Oct 14 01:31:28 then git am it Oct 14 01:32:24 jkridner: you can download the mbox of this patch Oct 14 01:32:32 and then git am Oct 14 01:32:32 k. Oct 14 01:32:34 thanks. Oct 14 01:35:17 thanks for letting me know which repo to apply it to. I should have seen it. Building again. Thanks!!! Oct 14 01:35:25 np Oct 14 01:41:04 :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 14 02:59:57 2011