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Nov 06 11:53:42 <woglinde> he crofotn
Nov 06 14:32:25 <Crofton|work> RP, ping
Nov 06 14:38:23 <Jin^eLD> mornin
Nov 06 14:48:34 <Jin^eLD> what exactly is this "Pseudo" thing?
Nov 06 14:48:59 <Jin^eLD> ah, I think I found the wiki page for it
Nov 06 14:49:41 <woglinde> pseudo is more or less wrapper
Nov 06 14:50:25 <Jin^eLD> well the explanation that I was looking for was "fakeroot replacement" :) 
Nov 06 14:51:19 <Jin^eLD> I am still working on migration my configurations to OE core, lots of new stuff popping up here and there
Nov 06 14:54:50 <Jay7> Jin^eLD: pseudo is like fakeroot
Nov 06 14:55:21 <Jay7> ah, you have found this already :)
Nov 06 14:55:28 * Jay7 is a bit slow today
Nov 06 14:55:37 <Jin^eLD> :)
Nov 06 14:56:06 <Jin^eLD> OE classic seemed somehow easier in terms of keeping the overview and konfiguring
Nov 06 14:56:21 <woglinde> hm?
Nov 06 14:57:14 <Jay7> Jin^eLD: layers are like spaghetti sometimes :)
Nov 06 14:57:36 <Jin^eLD> well that's what I find confusing, you have things overriding other things and you have to check their priorities to find out
Nov 06 14:57:53 <Jin^eLD> is there btw a bitbake command that would simply print the configured layers in the order of their priorities or something like that?
Nov 06 14:58:45 <woglinde> use the setup scripts from koen
Nov 06 14:59:10 <Jin^eLD> woglinde: I did, but it still took me some time to look through all this
Nov 06 14:59:28 <Jin^eLD> woglinde: and you have to know what's happening if you work with a machine that is not yet handled by the scripts
Nov 06 15:03:37 <woglinde> adding the layer?
Nov 06 15:03:45 <woglinde> and making the layer?
Nov 06 15:51:25 <Jin^eLD> yes that is what I am doing now, creating and adding a layer, but it seems I have to tune machine.conf as well, at least some things seem to have changed
Nov 06 15:51:30 <Jin^eLD> but yes, I'm getting there
Nov 06 18:46:51 <woglinde_> okay
Nov 06 19:17:27 <PaulePanter> Having done `opkg install task-xfce-base` and running `startx` I am getting `/usr/bin/startx: line 139: /OE/tentacle/build/tmp-angstrom_2010_x/sysroots/x68_64-linux/usr/bin/mcookie: No such file or directory`.
Nov 06 19:17:50 <PaulePanter> I have no mail access right now, so I have to report these issues using IRC.
Nov 06 19:24:52 <PaulePanter> So startx seems to have the wrong path set during cross building.
Nov 06 20:04:48 <GNUtoo> hi, I wonder if it's possible to build a kexecboot-image under 800k for x86
Nov 06 20:05:24 <woglinde_> gnutoo hehe
Nov 06 20:05:32 <GNUtoo> it has to be under 800k because of...tada coreboot
Nov 06 20:05:38 <GNUtoo> hi woglinde_ 
Nov 06 20:06:15 <GNUtoo> else I could try to boot it with seabios+grub on an ATA disk
Nov 06 20:06:23 <GNUtoo> s/ATA/PATA/
Nov 06 20:07:02 <GNUtoo> I tried to shrink the 3.1 kernel and it ended up beeing about 1M
Nov 06 20:07:10 <GNUtoo> that's the size of my BIOS chip....
Nov 06 20:08:21 <woglinde_> uhm
Nov 06 20:08:25 <GNUtoo> maybe PaulePanter knows more about coreboot+oe interaction
Nov 06 20:08:26 <woglinde_> you want coreboot
Nov 06 20:08:31 <woglinde_> hehe
Nov 06 20:08:32 <GNUtoo> I have coreboot
Nov 06 20:08:56 <GNUtoo> it boots until filo or sea bios
Nov 06 20:09:07 <GNUtoo> but once there it doesn't detect my sata disk
Nov 06 20:09:15 <GNUtoo> maybe bad configuration tough
Nov 06 20:09:18 <GNUtoo> like wiring etc...
Nov 06 20:13:01 <Jay7> GNUtoo: try to bother ant about this
Nov 06 20:13:33 <GNUtoo> ok thanks
Nov 06 20:23:21 <GNUtoo> ah with radeonfb it works better than with the drm one: 752k
Nov 06 20:23:48 <GNUtoo> I also wonder how all that would integrate well with oe
Nov 06 20:23:58 <GNUtoo> it's a kernel specific to a mainboard
Nov 06 20:28:30 <Jin^eLD> hmm, I ghought if I want to build for glibc I'd have to set TCLIBC="glibc", but that does not work
Nov 06 20:28:36 <Jin^eLD> what's the trick?
Nov 06 20:30:51 <Jin^eLD> it then tries to include conf/distro/include/tclibc-glibc.inc
Nov 06 21:57:39 <Jin^eLD> openembedded-core/meta/conf/distro/include provides tclibc-eglibc.inc and tclibc-uclibc.inc
Nov 06 21:57:43 <Jin^eLD> but no glibc?
Nov 06 21:58:07 <woglinde_> sure
Nov 06 21:58:14 <woglinde_> glibc suckz
Nov 06 21:58:33 <Jin^eLD> ...but is often the only options if the other two refuse to work on your system :P
Nov 06 21:58:44 <Jin^eLD> so glibc suddenly became unsupported in oe-core?
Nov 06 22:00:00 <Jin^eLD> I'd say that sucks :(
Nov 06 22:01:05 <woglinde_> no why?
Nov 06 22:01:17 <woglinde_> all fine development is in eglibc
Nov 06 22:01:29 <woglinde_> and I dont see your problem
Nov 06 22:01:49 <woglinde_> debian/ubuntu changed to eglibc over a year now
Nov 06 22:02:41 <Jin^eLD> my problem is that eglibc did not build for my target while glibc did
Nov 06 22:02:50 <Jin^eLD> so now I got to do yet another round of happy hacking
Nov 06 22:03:02 <woglinde_> for what machine it will not build?
Nov 06 22:03:08 <woglinde_> that sounds strange
Nov 06 22:03:15 <Jin^eLD> 2nd question is (that'd be for another project), would an in field live update work, from glibc to eglibc?
Nov 06 22:03:40 <Jin^eLD> actually nothing fancy, it's a powerpc (ppc603e I think)
Nov 06 22:04:25 <Jin^eLD> rearding eglibc and powerpc: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1375920
Nov 06 22:04:31 <Jin^eLD> not sure why this happens
Nov 06 23:02:04 <CIA-15> 03Florian Boor <florian.boor@kernelconcepts.de> 07org.openembedded.dev * rebf40862c2 10openembedded.git/recipes/tzcode/tzcode-native.inc: 
Nov 06 23:02:04 <CIA-15> tzcode: Update download location to IANA server which is still working.
Nov 06 23:02:04 <CIA-15> Signed-off-by: Florian Boor <florian.boor@kernelconcepts.de>
Nov 06 23:02:07 <CIA-15> 03Florian Boor <florian.boor@kernelconcepts.de> 07org.openembedded.dev * r413ba9a4b1 10openembedded.git/conf/machine/include/omap3.inc: 
Nov 06 23:02:07 <CIA-15> omap3.inc: Remove hardcoded x-loader dependency breaking builds for every board without a matching x-loader configuration.
Nov 06 23:02:07 <CIA-15> This dependency should be added in the board description once x-loader support is present.
Nov 06 23:02:09 <CIA-15> 03Florian Boor <florian.boor@kernelconcepts.de> 07org.openembedded.dev * rf2839f57c5 10openembedded.git/recipes/libgee/libgee.inc: 
Nov 06 23:02:09 <CIA-15> Revert "libgee.inc: Use libtool macros from installed libtool"
Nov 06 23:02:10 <CIA-15> This reverts commit a89e9c41f6ea2df686bcfb7c01b39b23685b4261.
Nov 06 23:02:16 <CIA-15> 03Florian Boor <florian.boor@kernelconcepts.de> 07org.openembedded.dev * r9a588873b9 10openembedded.git/recipes/tzdata/tzdata.inc: 
Nov 06 23:02:16 <CIA-15> tzdata: Update download location to IANA server which is still working.
Nov 06 23:02:16 <CIA-15> Signed-off-by: Florian Boor <florian.boor@kernelconcepts.de>
Nov 06 23:02:16 <CIA-15> 03Florian Boor <florian.boor@kernelconcepts.de> 07org.openembedded.dev * r4d1fb84a7d 10openembedded.git/conf/machine/vmx25.conf: vmx25.conf: Voipac i.MX25 Module
Nov 06 23:02:49 <florian> heh... looks like I had some old stuff in this tree :)
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