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Dec 10 10:45:11 <likewise> gm
Dec 10 11:08:51 <ka6sox> morning likewise 
Dec 10 11:12:35 <eFfeM> hi likewise ka6sox, all
Dec 10 11:12:46 <eFfeM> ga for me ;-)
Dec 10 11:13:08 <ka6sox> eFfeM, ~ugt
Dec 10 11:13:17 <eFfeM> hi JaMa
Dec 10 11:13:20 <eFfeM> ka6sox:  I know
Dec 10 11:13:35 <JaMa> hi
Dec 10 11:13:38 <eFfeM> but I am already on for > 3 hrs ;-)
Dec 10 11:14:17 <ka6sox> and I am up contemplating what the announcement that HP is "going" to "opensource" webOS means :D
Dec 10 11:15:28 <ka6sox> maybe using a version of OE later than 2006 (one can hope)
Dec 10 11:17:10 <eFfeM> is webos using oe ?
Dec 10 11:17:43 <ka6sox> yes
Dec 10 11:28:40 <likewise> is webos in any way relevant anymore?
Dec 10 11:29:49 <ka6sox> its nice, works well.
Dec 10 11:47:52 <likewise> http://opensource.palm.com/3.0.4/index.html
Dec 10 11:48:21 <likewise> ah, that's only their GPL compliancy right?
Dec 10 13:51:24 <udovdh> back
Dec 10 13:51:39 <udovdh> of course gnome does not say me why it starts metacity instead of gnome-shell
Dec 10 13:51:52 <udovdh> only when I remove user it complains about being in fallback
Dec 10 13:51:56 <udovdh> oops
Dec 10 13:52:00 <udovdh> wrong window :-)
Dec 10 14:19:30 <mgundes> Hi
Dec 10 14:20:08 <mgundes> I need to patch update-alternatives files which comes with opkg package
Dec 10 14:20:17 <mgundes> I wrote a patch file 
Dec 10 14:20:47 <mgundes> is there a way to tell bitbake there is another patch file which will be added to SRC_URI of opkg
Dec 10 14:21:07 <mgundes> I mean like SRC_URI_append_opkg = "mypattchfile"
Dec 10 14:21:41 <mgundes> does anyone have any idea about that?
Dec 10 14:21:58 <ericben> mgundes: check bbappend in some layers
Dec 10 14:22:10 <mgundes> ericben I use oe-classic
Dec 10 14:22:26 <mgundes> is it possible in oe-classic too with bbappend?
Dec 10 14:23:18 <ericben> mgundes: I think so, or you can use amend.inc
Dec 10 14:24:04 <ericben> mgundes: http://pastebin.com/HPY2g2Jb
Dec 10 14:28:50 <mgundes> I checked my environment and there is a class named amend.class
Dec 10 14:30:24 <ericben> mgundes: so check the pastebin this is a working example
Dec 10 14:31:56 <mgundes> ok I did not got it much from example but I will try to understand :)
Dec 10 14:38:40 <mgundes> I checked amend.class and it seems to search amend.inc file in FILESPATH
Dec 10 14:39:02 <mgundes> so I should add amend.inc to oe/openembedded/recipes/opkg, right?
Dec 10 14:40:08 <mgundes> but I don't want to add and commit anything under oe/openembedded.
Dec 10 14:42:35 <ericben> mgundes: in the present case amend.inc is to modify a recipe from an overlay
Dec 10 14:42:45 <ericben> if you want to directly hack in openembedded recipe
Dec 10 14:42:55 <ericben> simply add your patch to SRC_URI
Dec 10 14:43:01 <ericben> in the recipe
Dec 10 14:44:27 <mgundes> yes ericben you are right, but in that case too I have to commit in oe/openembedded/recipes/opkg recipes
Dec 10 14:46:24 <mgundes> hm, then can I add something to FILESPATH of opkg in any config file such as FILESPATH_opkg_append = "new directory" 
Dec 10 14:46:26 <mgundes> ?
Dec 10 14:54:53 <ericben> mgundes: just do an overlay
Dec 10 14:54:59 <ericben> and hack in your overlay
Dec 10 15:02:35 <mgundes> I tried to examine a way which there would not need to overlay because of simple patch
Dec 10 15:02:45 <mgundes> but I seems there is no way except doing it
Dec 10 15:02:53 <mgundes> thanks ericben
Dec 10 21:31:17 <rob_w> which arm9 boards are most active inside oe these days ?
Dec 10 22:02:36 <GNUtoo> rob_w, om-gta02?
Dec 10 22:02:48 <GNUtoo> it's not really a board tough it's a phone
Dec 10 22:02:55 <rob_w> i know 
Dec 10 22:03:03 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 10 22:03:05 <rob_w> is this a arm9 ?
Dec 10 22:03:16 <GNUtoo> armv4 
Dec 10 22:03:49 <rob_w> am looking for some 2-300 mhz amr9 boards for creating custom baseboards around them 
Dec 10 22:03:57 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 10 22:04:04 <GNUtoo> it has serial too with the debug board
Dec 10 22:04:10 <GNUtoo> altough its cable is fragile
Dec 10 22:04:26 <GNUtoo> and it's 400Mhz
Dec 10 22:04:33 <GNUtoo> and there are the schematics etc...
Dec 10 22:04:37 <rob_w> i got a gta01 but not turned it on for a long time 
Dec 10 22:04:43 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 10 22:04:47 <GNUtoo> I still use my gta02
Dec 10 22:04:59 <GNUtoo> ...as my main phone
Dec 10 22:05:02 <rob_w> nice 
Dec 10 22:05:10 <GNUtoo> indeed
Dec 10 22:05:18 <GNUtoo> I had to buy a new battery tough
Dec 10 22:05:26 <rob_w> do you use the gta02 gui ?
Dec 10 22:05:33 <GNUtoo> SHR
Dec 10 22:05:43 <GNUtoo> I use the SHR distribution+GUI
Dec 10 22:05:53 <GNUtoo> based on oe-core
Dec 10 22:06:23 <rob_w> nice
Dec 10 22:06:27 <rob_w> not seen it yet
Dec 10 22:06:42 <GNUtoo> it's finger friendly
Dec 10 22:07:32 <GNUtoo> but maybe if you're looking for a board, maybe friendly arm, altough I don't know its status
Dec 10 22:07:47 <GNUtoo> Processor	: ARM920T rev 0 (v4l)
Dec 10 22:08:02 <GNUtoo> 400Mhz
Dec 10 22:09:01 <rob_w> k thx
Dec 10 22:09:31 <GNUtoo> some outdated screenshots: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Screenshots
Dec 10 22:09:57 <rob_w> neat
Dec 10 22:10:26 <GNUtoo> it may even work on palm pre(you have a palm pre right?) but I'm not sure of the status on the palm pre(I don't have one)
Dec 10 22:10:42 <rob_w> palm-what ?
Dec 10 22:10:42 <GNUtoo> altough the wifi won't work fine and there are some issues with NEON on palm pre
Dec 10 22:10:55 <rob_w> ;-)
Dec 10 22:11:11 <GNUtoo> maybe I took you for another person sorry
Dec 10 22:11:44 <rob_w> i am just a small smurf inside the oe planet 
Dec 10 22:11:50 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 10 22:12:23 <rob_w> but if there is one community project that served me well over many many years, then this is oe 
Dec 10 22:12:32 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 10 22:13:06 <GNUtoo> I see you're on #htc-linux channel => the current status with htc phones is not great
Dec 10 22:13:14 <GNUtoo> (current status of SHR)
Dec 10 22:13:47 <rob_w> phones market is hard .. 
Dec 10 22:13:55 <GNUtoo> indeed
Dec 10 22:14:36 <GNUtoo> the problem is that android is not easy
Dec 10 22:14:48 <GNUtoo> they have incompatible userland<->kernel interfaces
Dec 10 22:14:53 <GNUtoo> and one thing depend on another etc...
Dec 10 22:15:03 <GNUtoo> so sometimes that's very hard to change
Dec 10 22:15:32 <rob_w> indeed , but yet android rushed the market pretty well 
Dec 10 22:16:11 <GNUtoo> yes but I don't like that much the first architectures of it
Dec 10 22:16:18 <GNUtoo> like qualcomm msm / snapdragoon
Dec 10 22:16:46 <GNUtoo> the baseband controls way too much
Dec 10 22:17:01 <rob_w> firmwares all over 
Dec 10 22:17:04 <GNUtoo> (it controls your audio, your gps and has access to the main CPU memory)
Dec 10 22:17:22 <rob_w> damn .. like a system inside a system 
Dec 10 22:17:30 <GNUtoo> no it's rather that you give the control of your microphone to something proprietary
Dec 10 22:17:35 <GNUtoo> yes indeed
Dec 10 22:18:31 <GNUtoo> basically it's called baseband-centric
Dec 10 22:19:18 <rob_w> yeah .. not my buisness 
Dec 10 22:19:43 <GNUtoo> yes but it shows the point: cpu is not anymore in control
Dec 10 22:20:16 <GNUtoo> cpu is easy to free, baseband is way harder
Dec 10 22:20:26 <GNUtoo> and the problem is also certifications 
Dec 10 22:20:38 <GNUtoo> you modify your baseband you loose certification
Dec 10 22:21:20 <rob_w> yeah.. but also necessary ..
Dec 10 22:21:44 <GNUtoo> I meant that using the transmit function on a modified baseband without certification is not a good idea
Dec 10 22:22:18 <GNUtoo> maybe at some point we should certify osmocombb....
Dec 10 22:22:26 <rob_w> phone market is crazy ,, for me thats a fact .. 
Dec 10 22:22:36 <GNUtoo> indeed
Dec 10 22:22:37 <rob_w> is that open baseband thing ?
Dec 10 22:22:42 <GNUtoo> yes
Dec 10 22:22:57 <GNUtoo> it even works on om-gta01/om-gta02
Dec 10 22:23:09 <rob_w> very nice 
Dec 10 22:23:22 <GNUtoo> altough it's advised not to enable transmit function because of certification issue....
Dec 10 22:23:26 <GNUtoo> see that for more details:
Dec 10 22:23:57 <GNUtoo> http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/LegalAspects#Usingmodifiedphonesoncarriernetworks
Dec 10 22:25:13 <rob_w> wow
Dec 10 22:25:40 <rob_w> jesus .. that scares me 
Dec 10 22:25:59 <rob_w> so the bring you to jail if you start transmitting with that .. hehehe 
Dec 10 22:26:05 <GNUtoo> in another hand it's said to be stable enough.....
Dec 10 22:26:23 <GNUtoo> I tried it but without the transmit method
Dec 10 22:26:39 <rob_w> cant they just stick regulations to the real radio stuff and let the rest be open .. dear go
Dec 10 22:26:42 <GNUtoo> for instance it could be used to map GSM BTS
Dec 10 22:27:07 <rob_w> what for =?
Dec 10 22:27:19 <GNUtoo> mapping GSM BTS could help do stuff like positioning without a GPS
Dec 10 22:27:34 <GNUtoo> less precision but there are some advantages
Dec 10 22:27:41 <rob_w> ah k
Dec 10 22:27:53 <GNUtoo> for instance the fix is immediate
Dec 10 22:27:57 <GNUtoo> consume less power
Dec 10 22:28:01 <GNUtoo> works in buildings
Dec 10 22:28:03 <GNUtoo> etc...
Dec 10 22:28:07 <rob_w> hehe right
Dec 10 22:28:10 <GNUtoo> google does that in android
Dec 10 22:28:30 <rob_w> very neat .. 
Dec 10 22:28:54 <rob_w> i ve to take my sleep now .. i ve to finish up some work tomorrow
Dec 10 22:29:14 <rob_w> and on mondy i even do a small oe training to somehow interested ;-) 
Dec 10 22:29:25 <rob_w> s/somehow/someone 
Dec 10 22:29:27 <rob_w> cu
Dec 10 22:29:31 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 10 22:29:33 <GNUtoo> see you
Dec 11 00:38:15 <toobluesc> is there a way to rm all my work?
Dec 11 00:38:27 <toobluesc> like bitbake -c rm_work world
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