**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 25 02:59:57 2011 Dec 25 04:37:41 damnit. I hate the annual steam sales Dec 25 04:56:19 kergoth: merry xmas etc to you ;-) Dec 25 04:56:38 I hate xmas amazon sales ... it's just before the exam period Dec 25 04:58:53 hehe Dec 25 04:59:14 all the sales hurt the wallet. first you spend on the gifts, then the sales tempt you for stuff for yourself :) Dec 25 05:10:24 kergoth: yea ... but I got myself a kindle before the xmas sales and now I just stuffed it with books Dec 25 05:10:41 kergoth: btw you're making it to fosdem next year ? Dec 25 05:11:24 not sure, hopefully. need to hit more conferences next year. ELC and ELC-E for sure, possibly others. will have to talk to the boss at work :) Dec 25 05:11:38 kergoth: where do you work ? :) Dec 25 05:11:50 kergoth: ELC-E was completely awesome this year :) Dec 25 05:13:40 http://www.linkedin.com/in/kergoth Dec 25 05:15:08 http://cz.linkedin.com/pub/marek-vašut/21/440/737 Dec 25 05:15:13 how did you get your nick there ? :) Dec 25 06:13:13 kergoth, good...I'll see you @ least @ ELC...can't make -E Dec 25 06:13:48 cool Dec 25 08:34:05 hi anyone familiar with this: new install, bitbake hangs while parsing, not always at exactly the same place, host is ubuntu 11.04 oe classic head Dec 25 08:34:23 python 2.7.1+ Dec 25 08:34:30 bitbake 1.12.0 Dec 25 08:36:02 weird things is that on the very same system I managed to do a poky edison build Dec 25 08:36:44 same setup that fails here, works under 10.04 at work Dec 25 08:47:06 ran strace with -v and -D: this is what I got Dec 25 08:47:07 http://pastebin.com/jgeTKpnf Dec 25 08:47:39 apparently the select always gives a timeout Dec 25 08:52:15 btw is it normal that I get this in ps: Dec 25 08:52:16 3515 pts/0 S+ 0:00 python /home/frans/oe/bitbake/bin/bitbake -v -v -D -D helloworld Dec 25 08:52:16 3516 pts/0 Sl+ 0:00 python /home/frans/oe/bitbake/bin/bitbake -v -v -D -D helloworld Dec 25 08:52:49 out of ideas for now Dec 25 11:55:09 hm, apparently somehow I was using bb 1.14.0; seems this one does not like oe-classic Dec 25 11:55:15 1.12.0 is still ok Dec 25 15:38:21 anyone is doing squashfs+overlayfs on oe? something like openwrt was doing all along? Dec 25 16:32:23 I've done that sort of thing in the past, but not in many years Dec 25 16:43:27 xxiao: don't know overlayfs, but you could also use unionfs Dec 25 16:44:51 btw,. anyone knows about source for opkg-utils, the openmoko svn does not exist any more Dec 25 16:59:19 pretty sure the only source is archived bits on the mirrors. don't think anyone has managed to get ahold of a copy of the svn to keep history Dec 25 17:09:02 eFfeM: I had the same issue trying to build an angstrom on a 512Mb Linode instance (Ubutu 64-bit). Seemed to be memory … I increased swap and it would get further. Dec 25 17:09:31 eFfeM: At some point, I had enough swap (the Linode instance only has 512MB of actual RAM) that it completed, but it was exceptionally slow Dec 25 17:10:02 eFfeM: So I reverted to my VirtualBox instance of Ubuntu 11.10 x64, which doesn't have an issue (although it has 2GB of RAM) Dec 25 18:38:47 smithw101: i think bb 1.14 was not a good choice, my system is native, 6 GB of ram and plenty of swap Dec 25 18:38:56 kergoth: will see what I have Dec 25 18:39:18 eFfeM: i think unionfs is more for livecd, mini_fo and overlayfs are more useful for embedded Dec 25 18:40:25 sadly neither can get into kernel.org, including another option, aufs Dec 25 18:40:28 xxiao: could be, had something similar the other day, collegue suggested unionfs, but in the end managed to get away with only using devtmpfs (syslog wanted to create a node there) Dec 25 18:41:11 other than angstrom, what else distro based on OE exist these days? Dec 25 18:41:28 i don't even know if yocto is a distro or just a build framework like a larger oe-core Dec 25 18:41:53 my last product was still under oe-classic using minimal-uclibc Dec 25 18:42:10 might be tempted to do something like minimal for oe-core at some point in time Dec 25 18:42:36 kalieos might be another distro, but it could be just some angstrom stuff, have not checked Dec 25 18:42:39 i seem to recall someone was also working on a micro variant for oe-core Dec 25 18:42:43 let 'e ask at beagle channel Dec 25 18:42:56 kailos leans closely towards angstrom Dec 25 18:43:35 ok, yocto is not a distro, it's just a rich oe-core Dec 25 18:44:29 the reason i'm looking for distro, is that i need some nice GUI on top of OE Dec 25 18:44:51 not that touchscreen kind, just some webUI Dec 25 19:21:41 if you need a web ui use e.g. something flash based Dec 25 19:43:32 xxiao: yocto includes poky, which is an integration of oe layers and a distro Dec 25 19:43:49 there's also poky-tiny now, which is analogous to micro apparently Dec 25 19:43:52 haven't looked at that yet Dec 25 19:44:26 debian-oe-openwrt...need pick one for a side project Dec 25 19:44:35 smithw101: the lowest amount of ram i've built with successfully was 1gb Dec 25 19:44:40 that needs a nice webgui, storage SAN stuff Dec 25 19:45:55 openwrt+luci; debian(multiple ui); yocto seems only has sato for testing Dec 25 19:46:12 even sato is not webui, it's more of a simply local display Dec 25 19:47:06 i wish oe-core can define a generic framework for UI, be it local or via net Dec 25 19:55:29 I think you're a bit confused. in oe, distro is largely orthogonal relative to machine, image, and package selection. what gui you choose has to do with your image and choice of packages, not the distro Dec 25 20:08:09 kergoth: yes I think I'm looking for a Luci thing on any OE distro, for embedded devices Dec 25 20:08:24 * kergoth nods Dec 25 20:15:51 kergoth: does poky have a UI of some sort? Dec 25 20:21:34 the only one i know of that's available in the core is sato Dec 25 20:23:34 that's more of a handheld local UI thing, hope someday yocto can get some net-oriented UI similar to openwrt, which has quite a few options Dec 25 20:27:16 I'm sure oe has a shitload, go grab a recipe and pull it over. Dec 25 20:27:25 i'm sure out of like 8,000 recipes you can find something Dec 25 20:34:36 Anyone familiar with the do_populate_sysroot phase? Dec 25 20:35:57 kergoth: talking about that 8000 recipes, is there a search url to do some 'recipe-mining' Dec 25 20:37:33 xxiao: git.openembedded.org. click on openembedded. click on the source tree, click on the recipes directory. or just clone and use 'find Dec 25 20:37:34 ' Dec 25 20:37:39 smithw101: what about it? Dec 25 20:45:01 xxiao: recipes from oe don't work with oe-core without modification, but the changes necessary are pretty trivial, generally. see also meta-oe, it's where recipes from oe usually go when they don't have a better layer to go in Dec 25 20:49:58 kergoth: got that. thanks. have been playing with it on and off for a while, but have never encountered a nice UI to configrue an OE system(network oriented), i think it's non-exist Dec 25 20:51:51 in openwrt's case, early stage UI is just some scripts exposed via a http server(cgi-bin stuff), now openwrt has a uci framework built into its packages to get a 'unified' webUi Dec 25 20:52:42 anyway **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 26 02:59:56 2011