**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 21 02:59:57 2012 Jan 21 09:44:51 heelo folks! Jan 21 09:45:54 just finished building core-image-minimal using the oe-core , got 4 WARNINGs and had to add quilt manually. Jan 21 09:46:14 for qemuarm that is. Jan 21 09:49:21 to early :) cu later Jan 21 11:25:48 hello all Jan 21 11:26:08 hello kristoffer Jan 21 11:27:14 likewise, hey Jan 21 11:39:07 heh yo Jan 21 11:39:22 hi cs_nbp Jan 21 11:39:45 whats up w svn.openmoko.org and opkg-utils-native, is that a dead end right now or it there a way out via google code? Jan 21 11:42:20 hi lightnin Jan 21 11:43:46 hmm I'm not sure, I heard it was unmaintained... Jan 21 11:45:31 makes it impossible to build for me right now-.- Jan 21 11:47:05 lost a hd and have to rebuild downloads Jan 21 11:50:56 will it help to switch to rpm? Jan 21 11:53:32 hello again Jan 21 11:53:41 ehlo Jan 21 11:54:30 250 greetings cs_nbp :) Jan 21 11:54:40 :) Jan 21 11:56:40 bliuelightning: well, the qemuarm build did build as expected, runqemu quick evalution looked good. so im back to MACHINE=h3600, meta-openembedded/meta-oe + meta-handheld layers. Jan 21 12:10:37 now u chased him away :p Jan 21 12:12:06 cs_nbp: i am used to it ;) Jan 21 12:14:32 ipaqlor: hey Jan 21 12:14:51 ipaqlor: ok, cool... fyi I did actually do a kernel update for h3600, and the kernel builds fine Jan 21 12:15:18 ipaqlor: I don't think I have any way of testing it though (I think all my h3600-type ipaqs are in another country...) Jan 21 12:15:56 y do people write USB mini-A when it's obviously USB mini-B -.- Jan 21 12:16:03 sry Jan 21 12:34:42 bluelightning: nice, my compile still runs Jan 21 12:35:23 y only had to download libcap udev and usb-utils Jan 21 12:35:39 bluelightning: i got a 3760 if that helps :) Jan 21 12:35:43 I think what I'll do is just push the update Jan 21 12:36:04 I'm watching a few h3870s on ebay, may get one of those for testing Jan 21 12:37:08 bluelightning: did you just compile the kernel or did you build a core-image-minimal with MACHINE=h3600 ? Jan 21 12:38:08 ipaqlor: I was building opie-image actually Jan 21 12:38:44 (for h3600) Jan 21 12:38:53 looks like it failed at ipaq-boot-params (just a minor tweak needed, I'll do that now), but linux-2.6.29 built just fine Jan 21 12:39:31 bluelightning: fine, what layers did you use? Jan 21 12:40:24 ipaqlor: I'm using the following on top of poky: meta-oe, meta-opie, meta-handheld Jan 21 12:40:55 for poky you can effectively read oe-core Jan 21 12:41:18 bluelightning: oki, thanks. ill replicate that if my meta-oe + meta-handheld core-image-minimal fails Jan 21 12:42:49 bluelightning: did you use the patches from mad.is-a-geek.org ? Jan 21 12:42:57 ipaqlor: yes Jan 21 12:43:31 bluelightning: nice. havent looked threw them to see wahts missing tough Jan 21 12:44:11 a cursory look suggests sound might not be working Jan 21 12:44:23 bluelightning: or are the 2.6.29 "complete" Jan 21 12:44:58 bluelightning: a minor issue for me. but definitly something to look into. Jan 21 12:45:00 but his comment indicated that someone with kernel hacking knowledge would just be able to do the plumbing for the existing (mainline) uda1341 driver for the h3600 machine Jan 21 12:45:33 bluelightning: ok Jan 21 12:45:51 ipaqlor: know anything about kernel hacking by any chance? :) Jan 21 12:46:41 bluelightning: no, not really, but i dont fear it eithere :) Jan 21 12:46:51 well, that's a good start :) Jan 21 12:50:03 Running task 178 of 2114 (ID: 348,.... damn Jan 21 12:50:17 the buildtime is killing me :) Jan 21 12:50:36 anyhow, got an apointment. cu later Jan 21 12:51:30 bluelightning: ill idle here, so if you got any images or binaries youd like to get tested on the hardware, just leave me a note. Jan 21 12:53:50 argh damn... looks like h3800 stuff was removed :/ Jan 21 13:06:59 afternoon all Jan 21 13:07:04 * pb_ returns from americaland Jan 21 13:07:53 does oe have tonga board support ? seems i cant find a machine with that Jan 21 13:08:19 pb_, glad you made it back :-) Jan 21 13:09:21 hi pb_ Jan 21 13:12:09 ipaqlor_gone: presumably you are using the handhelds.org bootldr on your h3760 still? Jan 21 13:37:34 rob_w: heh, me too Jan 21 13:38:43 pb_: welcome back to this side of the pond. Back into the rain? Jan 21 13:48:24 likewise: actually it was raining harder in California when I left than it is now in the uk Jan 21 13:48:40 but yes, raining here too :-) Jan 21 13:50:29 pb_: yeah, bummer Jan 21 13:52:54 ipaqlor_gone: well, anyway, I pushed the updated kernel Jan 21 13:53:10 ipaqlor_gone: if you let me know what kind of image you'll need I can upload it somewhere Jan 21 13:58:03 anyone visiting Embedded World 2012 ? Jan 21 18:43:38 ~ Jan 21 18:44:54 bluelightning: gnevning, yes i use the crl bootloader Jan 21 18:45:46 bluelightning: but actually i am looking forward to get kexec working real soon because those flashcycles suck Jan 21 18:47:45 ipaqlor: ok, well I guess that means you need a jffs2 image for the moment Jan 21 18:56:24 I'd have thought kexec would "just work" on the h3xxx. What's wrong with it? Jan 21 18:56:59 (but, fwiw, the NOR flash in those ipaqs has a long enough write endurance that you really don't need to worry about it.) Jan 21 18:57:37 iirc, strataflash is good for 100k erases per block, and if I suspect you are going to get bored of kernel debugging long before the 100,000th reboot Jan 21 18:57:55 hi pb Jan 21 18:58:13 pb_ *g* Jan 21 19:00:59 hi woglinde Jan 21 19:01:18 bluelightning: yes, thats part of my actual rocketing upupup into the sky problem :) with the build environment, you know ;) Jan 21 19:02:17 the strange thing is, i cant even extract the familiar images :) i need to tar them over usbnet to get the content :) Jan 21 19:03:40 i have not figured outyet how to jffs2dump those images Jan 21 19:04:39 good evening folks, btw Jan 21 19:11:53 well, im pff n23 Jan 21 19:11:57 is on Jan 21 19:43:56 New to embedded systems testing and I am trying to resolve an error with a tool called UPPALL(I get an Incompatible argument error). I am not sure what part of the specification to use that will be helpful in debugging. I don't know if this is the right place to ask. Thanks. Jan 21 19:49:05 any idea why I'd be getting a "nothing provides task-native-sdk" error even though task-sdk-target has RPROVIDES_${PN} = task-native-sdk? Jan 21 19:57:13 todun: is upall something on top of OE Jan 21 19:58:32 khem: oh, I didn't realize that oe was a tool. I apologize for the confusion(I thought that oe was the embedded room) Jan 21 19:59:34 it is but generally opensource Jan 21 20:00:41 khem: I see. UPPALL doesn't seem to be opensource but is useful. Nothing found from googling on it. thanks all the same. Jan 21 20:01:54 re Jan 21 20:03:31 florian: is that a room? Jan 21 20:04:32 spacecolonyone: task-sdk-native should provide it Jan 21 20:08:53 #freenode Jan 21 20:09:21 khem I have no such bb file. the closes thing I've found is task-sdk-target.bb which has the RPROVIDES line i mentioned. There is also task-sdk-host-nativesdk.bb, but I haven Jan 21 20:09:22 't Jan 21 20:09:38 doh, haven't looked at it yet Jan 21 20:14:11 spacecolonyone: are you using 2011.03 branch or not ? Jan 21 20:14:14 if not please do Jan 21 20:17:09 how do I check that khem? I'm trying to follow the angstrom instructions precisely. I take it it be something along the lines of git branch -a Jan 21 20:23:02 florian: haay Jan 21 20:23:07 florian: opkg dead? Jan 21 20:24:15 khem: if my kdrive xserver doesn't support xlocale extension, can I use fontconfig and xft to fix that? Jan 21 20:24:25 spacecolonyone: where did you get instructions Jan 21 20:24:39 cs_nbp: no idea sorry Jan 21 20:24:52 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom Jan 21 20:29:53 khem the layers line in my top level sources directory has a list of repos for bitback, a number of meta-XXXs, and oe-core. The latter looks like it is set to head of master Jan 21 20:32:54 cs_nbp: hi Jan 21 20:33:57 florian: just thought u might know something since building w opkg fails due to opkg-utils-native, svn.openmoko.org seems to be down for some time now Jan 21 20:34:09 florian: lost a hd and had to rebuild downloads Jan 21 20:34:44 brb Jan 21 20:35:25 cs_nbp: maybe these are part of opkg now... I remember people were discussing this a while ago Jan 21 20:35:31 cs_nbp: ah nasty Jan 21 20:36:43 spacecolonyone: ok that task is not available in modern angstrom but equivalents are what do u need to build Jan 21 20:37:20 florian: opkg is hosted at google.code now, but I couldn't figure out how to get that package from there Jan 21 20:37:51 their tree seems very different Jan 21 20:39:08 hi florian Jan 21 20:40:32 nutha short thing: you remeber the code of key for xmodmap? kinda need {} and [] (or some stupid programming language do :D) Jan 21 20:41:06 pb_: hi Jan 21 20:41:24 or is it std fn key code? Jan 21 20:47:29 khem, I'm a bit confusedI thought that the odbb.sh script essentially pulled together the various bb and oe sources needed by the angstrom distribution such that if task-sdk-native is a part of oe (in this case the master branch) it should be available. Does it not work like this? I'm not ignoring your question, just trying to understand as I go. Jan 21 20:51:16 cs_nbp: http://www.mucross.com/~florian/opkg-utils_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.host._4747_.tar.gzo Jan 21 20:51:21 -o Jan 21 20:51:29 so for example If i search all the bb files for files with task and sdk in the name (in sources) I get none in meta-angstrom, a couple in other metas, 6 in oe-core and 1 in meta-oe. The six are task-core-sdk.bb, task-sdk-host-nativesdk.bb, task-core-standalone-sdk-target.bb, task-core-sdk-gmae.bb, task-core-standalone-gmae-sdk-target.bb, task-qte-toolchain-host-nativesdk.bb and the one is task-sdk-target.bb Jan 21 20:52:11 florian: thanx alot but my rpm build is at 4600 of 5535, but that way I can switch back to opkg soon Jan 21 20:52:22 which I will do at next build then Jan 21 21:05:27 florian: do you think our locale can be fixed by compile options for kdrive? there seems to be many options, including some kind of full fledged x server (which of course would be overkill probably) Jan 21 21:06:39 cs_nbp: unlikely... it must be something other than kdrive causing this Jan 21 21:07:32 florian: khem kind of piloted me through correcting locale installation Jan 21 21:08:15 florian: even if locale is properly installed and configured, so that eg xterm starts w/o complaining, locales are still displayed incorrectly Jan 21 21:09:21 that's why I think it could be this strange kdrive thing (but maybe as well wrong :)) Jan 21 21:09:44 eg increasing font size in xterm was impossible Jan 21 21:09:59 though fonts of all sizes are installed Jan 21 21:10:20 and I remember succeeding at this before ;) Jan 21 22:09:22 florian: needed the package anyways because the target sys has opkg :D Jan 21 22:10:17 heh Jan 21 22:11:07 err but how do I make it appear like an svn?o_O or should I change the source to downloads/opkg-tralala? Jan 21 22:23:17 what's up with openembedded missing scale? Jan 21 22:24:24 russ dont know where tartarus is Jan 21 22:24:45 Russ: no time and sponsors :( Jan 21 22:24:49 ah, ya, he has a presentation tomorrow, didn't know he was going as part of OE Jan 21 22:24:57 Russ: I was representing last yeat Jan 21 22:25:03 I showed up to booth 21 and got disappointed Jan 21 22:25:23 Russ: yes no booth this year Jan 21 22:25:48 Russ: only Tartarus and ka6sox-away are there I guess Jan 21 22:28:24 spacecolonyone: there is something called PACKAGE_GROUPs that yuo can use see sources/openembedded-core/meta/conf/local.conf.sample Jan 21 22:29:24 spacecolonyone: e.g. if you want gcc and friends on target add EXTRA_IMAGE_FEATURES += "tools-sdk" in local.conf Jan 21 22:29:36 that will make sure that those tools are added to your image Jan 21 22:31:50 Russ: what topic are you presenting Jan 21 22:32:01 I'm not presenting Jan 21 22:32:26 back to expo Jan 21 22:58:33 florian: sry, still failing, is there an easy way to use your .tar.gz as svn or otherwise integrate it into the build? Jan 21 22:59:39 cs_nbp: hmm... worst chase change SRC_URI in the bb Jan 21 23:01:27 florian: that's what I tried, I set it to the absolute path of the tar.gz (and commented out "PV =" line because bitbake then couldnt check it) but it fails by building an all-weird directory structure then and not finding anything Jan 21 23:03:18 cs_nbp: use file:// and place it in the same dir as the bb Jan 21 23:03:28 florian: I also tried to unpack it in the right place in downloads/svn/svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/ Jan 21 23:03:30 ah k Jan 21 23:04:29 Ooh, nice khem. I've just finished building it that way. I'm going to go play around with that and see if I can get media-ctl to compile on target now. Jan 21 23:04:45 good Jan 21 23:05:25 well well. you might also need to add pkg-dev to that list Jan 21 23:05:52 i did. and tools-debug Jan 21 23:06:08 I mean dev-pkgs Jan 21 23:06:11 ok Jan 21 23:06:46 oh, one question about that, though. From the docs it reads as if it is not as simple as also adding in things like git and python to that list. Jan 21 23:08:09 I still need to create a bb file that exports a basename, does image install task base plus whatever else i want, right? Jan 21 23:09:02 python was built on the way for me, it's in ipk/ Jan 21 23:09:32 I think I've got that down pat, but I can't seem to get my overlay setup properly so that bitbake My-console-image finds the image. sure I can stick it in one of the directories that are already parsed but that is dirty Jan 21 23:10:18 i assume you're including the other image with 'require'? use the relative path to the top of the layer. require recipes-core/images/foo-image.bb or whatever Jan 21 23:11:31 You are talking about what I stick in my-console-image.bb, correct? Jan 21 23:11:40 yes Jan 21 23:12:17 I'm talking about what conf i need to set so that it finds my-console-image.bb. Jan 21 23:12:28 BBPATH Jan 21 23:12:38 should point to your layer Jan 21 23:12:51 just prepend in local conf? Jan 21 23:13:17 florian: like before, i now get ERROR: Failure expanding variable SRCPV, expression was ${@bb.fetch2.get_srcrev(d)} Jan 21 23:13:22 spacecolonyone: read http://sakrah.homelinux.org/blog/2010/11/bblayers-bbappend/ Jan 21 23:13:35 last tiem i tried I commented that out, prolly not smart Jan 21 23:13:42 k Jan 22 00:41:16 khem I was expecting gcc to be installed, but it doesn't appear to have been despite setting tools-sdk in Extra_image_features Jan 22 00:45:21 I've also gotten my layer set up but I'm still getting nothing provides m2fs-image, despite having m2fs-image.bb in my layer. http://pastebin.com/aJFC5AWq Jan 22 00:48:35 they should appear in IMAGE_INSTALL if they do not then it wont make to image Jan 22 00:48:47 do bitbake -e image >& /tmp/xx Jan 22 00:48:51 and pastebin xx Jan 22 00:50:30 omg I finally got it *wipes sweat off Jan 22 00:51:01 http://pastebin.com/XyXep25n Jan 22 00:51:41 Flash: 64 MB / 128 MB / 256 MB / 1GB NAND Flash and 2 MB NOR Flash with BIOS Jan 22 00:51:44 fuck man Jan 22 00:51:45 with that Jan 22 00:51:48 sorry Jan 22 00:51:56 i apologize for that. Jan 22 00:52:19 I mistyped. Meant to type into another channel which is fully of potty mouths. Again, I apologize. Jan 22 00:56:27 Hey khem, I'm calling it a night. Thanks again for your help. I suspect that it didn't print what it should have with -e. Jan 22 00:57:07 I'm trying to figure out how much flash my FriendlyArm mini2440 has on it Jan 22 02:15:19 great, opkg utils made bitbake "REMOVING FOLLOWING VARIABLES:" all variables-.- think ill switch to rpm for realzies **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 22 02:59:57 2012