**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 12 02:59:58 2012 May 12 16:55:35 hi, all! May 12 16:56:04 is there some known scripts/tools to set time from gpsd? May 12 16:56:14 I mean really set time May 12 16:56:22 after that I can run ntpd May 12 16:56:32 otherwise it doesn't work May 12 16:56:55 or is there some patches to make ntpd behave like ntpdate? May 12 16:58:32 hmm shouldn't be too hard really May 12 16:59:54 slapin: quick search using the search engine of my least distrust yields this - http://charlescurley.com/blog/articles/gpsdate_get_the_date_from_a_gps_receiver/index.html May 12 17:04:14 ah, this one is perl script and I don't have perl on my images and these are already at u-boot limit :( May 12 17:07:17 there's spam on the wiki: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Tetracycline_-_tetracycline_dermic_onitment_-_tetracycline_bioprocess May 12 17:32:25 trygvis: unfortunately I don't have access to delete but I erased the page contents at least May 12 17:33:14 thanks May 12 17:59:20 slapin: isn't ntpd -q suitable for you? May 12 20:01:00 hello everybody in this room May 12 20:01:19 i am newbie to linux , i have installed ubuntu 10.04 32Bit system May 12 20:01:42 i need to begin building embedded linux for normal PCs hardware May 12 20:01:50 but i don't know how can i begin May 12 20:02:01 any one can help me?\ May 12 20:24:36 snouto_: well you might need to specify more :) May 12 20:24:45 is your goal to minimize things? May 12 20:25:53 yes May 12 20:26:10 actually i would like to know how can i begin building embedded linux for traditional Pcs May 12 20:26:17 my goal is to develop new user space May 12 20:26:33 with more touch UI Controls like android May 12 20:26:40 because i would like to create a kiosk linux May 12 20:26:52 with touch based with animations and graphics like android does May 12 20:27:36 i don't want to use gnome or KDE user space May 12 20:27:53 i would like to create new user space with touch controls that could be built using java May 12 20:27:57 the same like android does May 12 20:28:09 #ccssnet are you there May 12 20:28:15 ccssnet , are you there May 12 20:33:33 i am May 12 20:34:05 could you please help me in this ? May 12 20:34:10 i would like to create kiosk linux May 12 20:34:19 but with different user space not gnome or KDE May 12 20:34:23 well. first goal: pick a build system or basis. May 12 20:34:25 but more touch ui controls like android May 12 20:34:38 goal 2 start coding in a language/toolkit for gui you like May 12 20:34:57 what do you mean by build system ? May 12 20:35:07 base gnu/linux system May 12 20:35:18 such as open embedded. or debian for example May 12 20:35:36 then how can i make it use my user space instead of normal KDE or Gnome ? May 12 20:35:54 your not at that point yet :) May 12 20:36:02 no May 12 20:36:05 i am newbie May 12 20:36:09 clearly May 12 20:36:10 but professional java developer May 12 20:36:14 ahh May 12 20:36:15 objective C developer on iphone May 12 20:36:22 .NET developer using C# May 12 20:36:25 sadly i dislike java highly May 12 20:36:35 i admire it very much May 12 20:36:36 actually dislike all u mention May 12 20:37:27 how can i create a window manager that replaces gnome or kde May 12 20:37:40 and how can i make linux uses it to load the main desktop that i have created May 12 20:37:51 please did you get what i mean ? May 12 20:40:01 ccssnet : could you please answer me ? May 12 20:40:10 sorr was outside reading now May 12 20:40:49 ok well. the main thing is .xinitrc file in users directory May 12 20:41:11 ideally an executable to be executed but im sure scripted language could work too May 12 20:41:33 study arch linux documentation for more in depth advice May 12 20:41:42 great documentation related to topic at hand May 12 20:42:19 then you need to have "startx" run at user login May 12 20:42:31 what .xinitrc does ? May 12 20:42:35 or if using a login manager, it can take care of this stuff May 12 20:42:36 and what it contains ? May 12 20:43:26 well. it varies. May 12 20:43:38 for example i use the fluxbox window manager May 12 20:43:49 so mine contains the fluxbox command for starting it May 12 20:43:59 .xinitrc is run when command: startx May 12 20:44:01 is used May 12 20:44:17 asuming you want to use Xorg May 12 20:44:39 as of recently Xorg is not the only option May 12 20:44:52 something new was started. cant think of its name though May 12 20:44:59 starts with a W May 12 20:45:51 but to be streight forward. if your a java developer toying around with open embedded. your already doing things backwards :) May 12 20:46:34 what do you mean by doing things backwards ? May 12 20:46:59 well, wouldnt it be easier for you to stick with java basis? May 12 20:47:19 yes May 12 20:47:26 it would be easier for me to develop in java May 12 20:47:30 that is what i am telling you May 12 20:47:40 i would develop the user space totally in java May 12 20:47:41 well. i know oracle bought sun and all. but Sun released a java os around 2006? May 12 20:47:55 entire os was java May 12 20:48:01 how come May 12 20:48:09 it could not be possible because java is higher level language May 12 20:48:16 it can't directly communicate with the hardware May 12 20:48:19 as C/C++ does May 12 20:48:30 welll. it claimed to be entirely java May 12 20:48:36 not sure to what degree May 12 20:48:39 i doubt May 12 20:48:58 android is built using java May 12 20:49:02 at least the user space May 12 20:49:07 but the rest is a metaphor of linux May 12 20:49:15 yes May 12 20:49:16 with the help of dalvik VM\ May 12 20:49:24 quite possibly what sun javaos was May 12 20:49:32 yes May 12 20:49:39 you know my friend May 12 20:49:50 i would like to develop the entire user space in java May 12 20:49:56 anyway. there is many projects like what you are trying to create already May 12 20:49:58 with animations and touch UI Controls like in android May 12 20:50:08 don't tell me May 12 20:50:11 android-x86.org May 12 20:50:14 no May 12 20:50:25 ehm. 1 sec May 12 20:51:20 well. i was at designcon 2011 May 12 20:51:25 usa, east cost in boston May 12 20:51:44 then May 12 20:51:55 company called: blue water embedded created a gui toolkit called prism May 12 20:52:02 now its 2012 and they sold out already May 12 20:52:12 hah. not sure if possible to still get toolkit May 12 20:52:21 or if its proprietary now May 12 20:52:34 old site was bwembedded.com May 12 20:52:44 well this was 1 example of comparable goals May 12 20:54:10 and what is the prism though ? May 12 20:54:23 it was a gui coding toolkit for touch screens May 12 20:54:49 idk if available now. probably not May 12 20:55:15 so i can use this gui toolkit May 12 20:55:19 above the kernel space May 12 20:55:24 to develop the entire user space May 12 20:55:32 or it has its own user space which i build apps over it May 12 20:56:04 but their is some open source projects as well that are capable of such. for example meego, meamo projects, qt4 framework, gtk May 12 20:56:23 snouto_: i dont know much about prism. the company didnt last long enough May 12 20:57:27 my friend please be patient , believe me i am not so dumb May 12 20:57:39 i can understand you quickly with a bit few clarifications May 12 20:57:43 ok May 12 20:57:52 is english native language? May 12 20:57:52 qt4 framework , i know about it and meego as well May 12 20:57:59 no May 12 20:58:02 arabic is my native May 12 20:58:04 why ? May 12 20:58:09 ok May 12 20:58:14 i was just wondering May 12 20:58:17 my english is bad ? May 12 20:58:38 no its good. but i can tell, i actually was going to guess spanish as native May 12 20:58:44 but i was wrong May 12 20:58:45 :) May 12 20:58:49 hahahahaha May 12 20:58:54 my grandmother is british May 12 20:58:57 but i am arabic May 12 20:59:03 not a terriorist don't worry May 12 20:59:06 lol May 12 20:59:15 no worries May 12 20:59:18 don't believe in your mass media May 12 20:59:20 CIA does the worrying for us May 12 20:59:27 hahahaha May 12 20:59:31 lol May 12 20:59:32 listen my friend May 12 20:59:38 i have a company here in saudi arabia May 12 20:59:45 and i am involved in IT Projects May 12 20:59:49 ok May 12 20:59:51 if you can share with me May 12 20:59:58 you are going to gain alot of money May 12 21:00:02 believe me May 12 21:00:09 i would need your expertise in that field May 12 21:00:16 and here we have the fund for such projects May 12 21:00:22 do you have skype id ? May 12 21:00:30 that we can talk together in more details May 12 21:00:34 i have a google id. no skype May 12 21:00:42 ok give me your google id May 12 21:00:50 check private message May 12 23:05:15 so, after I've built my image, should running "bitbake package-index" be sufficient to get tmp-eglibc/deploy/ipk/Packages updated? May 12 23:20:58 actually, all/Packages etc contain a lot of packages so that seems fine May 12 23:21:04 however, when I download the file it's empty May 12 23:21:34 the client is downloading /Packages.gz, not /all/Packages.gz etc May 12 23:29:49 ah, I really am supposed to list all of the variants. ok **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 13 02:59:59 2012