**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 26 02:59:58 2012 Jul 26 03:03:51 I am converting over from oe-classic to oe-core/sysvinit to systemd and am having some trouble Jul 26 03:04:22 connman does not automatically start in console-image - if I manually start it with systemctl start connman.service, it starts just fine Jul 26 03:04:28 if I enable it and then reboot, it does nto Jul 26 03:04:29 not Jul 26 03:04:35 what am I doing wrong? Jul 26 06:38:00 I'm trying to update openembedded, but the toolchain seems to have been broken. I get the following error when trying to compile a project that worked previously: In function 'atof': sorry, unimplemented: Thumb-1 hard-float VFP ABI Jul 26 06:38:09 any ideas as to what the problem might be? Jul 26 06:39:59 I was thinking it might been eglibc, as that's where the implementation is, but rolling that back did nothing to help Jul 26 07:52:28 yeah, I found out what it was. It was added -mthumb in the config file, so just removed it. But is there a way to add copmilation flags to the toolchain? So it will always use say -march=armv7-a, -mfpu=neon and -mtune=cortex-a9? Jul 26 08:30:43 howdy Jul 26 08:31:25 how ironic..just abreviate the os name and viola. xD Jul 26 08:31:44 oh, wheres the distro support channel? Jul 26 08:38:14 shawn187: depends on which distro you're building... Jul 26 08:38:34 e.g. angstrom has #angstrom Jul 26 08:39:01 i'm not exactly building a distro Jul 26 08:39:53 I am using a custom made distro for palmtop devices(smaller than small laptops) called jlime, and I to find support with using openembedded Jul 26 08:40:47 my guess is that openembedded is the base to jlime Jul 26 08:51:05 shawn187: right, so JLime is the "distro" in this case Jul 26 08:51:39 I'm fairly familiar with it... I have some old HP Jornada devices that are running it although I haven't used them for a while Jul 26 08:53:38 nice! Jul 26 08:54:10 I haven't been able to find anyone to help a couple problems I am have been having with my jornada 720 Jul 26 08:54:22 and jlime's channel has been kinda dead Jul 26 08:56:28 it would be really great to see the jlime folks move up to be based on OE-Core, but I'm not sure if anyone's working on that atm Jul 26 08:57:29 there are on the forums, but i'm not not on the forums Jul 26 09:09:49 is there a way to install a serial mouse driver in openembedded? Jul 26 09:09:54 on a jornada 720 with a wifi card Jul 26 09:20:07 bluelightning sir? Jul 26 09:20:58 shawn187: I would say the jornada 720 support is probably broken at the moment unfortunately Jul 26 09:21:08 shawn187: at least with current OE-Core and meta-handheld Jul 26 09:21:27 or are you asking about an existing jlime image? Jul 26 09:26:08 well, I am using an older distro, that i actually got working today Jul 26 09:26:29 well quite literally, it worked right out of the box, using a 2.4 kernal Jul 26 09:26:32 wickeds distro Jul 26 09:29:20 bluelightning i am asking about an existing image xD Jul 26 09:29:52 right... I don't think a dirver is required for a serial mouse, it should be just configuration Jul 26 09:29:57 but it depends what you are using exactly Jul 26 09:30:19 straying into unfamiliar territory for me I'm afraid, I haven't used a serial mouse for years Jul 26 09:30:39 well I created a null-modem for my serial mouse, and the sync cable for my jornada 720 Jul 26 09:32:14 i found a driver for WinCE and got it to work before Jul 26 09:45:52 bluelightning is there a way to display processes like task manager on windows, for IceWM? Jul 26 09:46:11 shawn187: I would imagine so but I've never used icewm Jul 26 09:46:38 what have you used on your jornada? Jul 26 09:46:57 I used the older version of jlime with opie Jul 26 09:47:14 sadly they do not support that anymore I think Jul 26 09:48:12 woa, they used opie? Jul 26 09:48:21 a long time ago, yes Jul 26 09:48:30 before switching to x + icewm Jul 26 09:50:44 what? x+icewm? Jul 26 09:50:46 waht is x? Jul 26 09:50:48 *what Jul 26 09:50:52 as in X11 Jul 26 09:51:06 the X window system Jul 26 09:51:41 what is that? Jul 26 09:52:00 shawn187: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X11 Jul 26 09:52:10 I am not a linux familiar person Jul 26 09:52:59 sure, no worries Jul 26 09:56:01 I dont think openembedded even recogizes the com1 port D: Jul 26 09:56:23 shawn187: it would normally show up as /dev/ttyS0 I think Jul 26 09:57:12 Linux being Unix-alike, uses the Unix device names rather than DOS ones Jul 26 09:57:40 can you help me learn? Jul 26 09:58:30 shawn187: I'm afraid I haven't a huge amount of time, but there are various forums/resources around that you can use to pick up general Linux knowledge Jul 26 09:58:37 ah Jul 26 09:59:26 shawn187: I think the ##linux channel is for general linux questions/advice Jul 26 09:59:48 how can I find out the coms designation? Jul 26 10:00:03 if it's com1 it will be /dev/ttyS0 Jul 26 10:00:08 well they treat me like a no good noob Jul 26 10:00:22 you can check it by running: cat /dev/ttyS0 Jul 26 10:00:25 is there a way i can check that with a command Jul 26 10:00:26 ah Jul 26 10:00:28 whats cat? Jul 26 10:00:57 just reads data from the specified file and outputs it to standard out (the terminal by default) Jul 26 10:01:11 a bit like "type" in DOS but much more flexible Jul 26 10:02:03 ctrl+C will close out of "cat" when you're done btwe Jul 26 10:02:08 btw Jul 26 10:02:18 waht does type do? Jul 26 10:03:39 never mind, I only mentioned it in case you already knew it Jul 26 10:04:04 i am familiar with dos Jul 26 10:05:12 but I forgot waht type displays Jul 26 10:06:53 you say /dev/ttyS0? Jul 26 10:07:08 is that a zero or an O? Jul 26 10:08:12 zero Jul 26 10:08:25 ah Jul 26 10:08:34 with the next port being /dev/ttyS1, etc. Jul 26 10:08:55 and I got cat: /dev/ttyS0: Input/output error Jul 26 10:09:11 on some machines they do show up with slightly different names, you may find /dev/ttySA0 on the jornada, not sure Jul 26 10:09:18 oh Jul 26 10:09:30 what does ttys stand for? Jul 26 10:11:15 I think tty is short for teletype... comes from the very early Unix days Jul 26 10:11:38 why teletype? Jul 26 10:12:06 you'd have to look it up on wikipedia for the full history ;) Jul 26 10:12:13 ah Jul 26 10:12:33 well i understand computer history pretty well from my stand point Jul 26 10:15:00 when I did cat /dev/ttySA0, the aterm just froze Jul 26 10:16:39 hmm, not sure I'm afraid... can you Ctrl+C out? Jul 26 10:16:51 i just exited out Jul 26 10:17:05 I am attempting to restart the unit Jul 26 10:17:50 ugh it has an error while trying to reboot, Shutting down PCMCIA services: hda: lost interrupt Jul 26 10:18:01 and now its just repeating hda: lost interrupt Jul 26 10:20:19 hmm... dodgy driver probably; given the age of the kernel in that machine I suspect there's not a lot that can be done about that Jul 26 10:20:42 well, the age of the kernel available for that machine, to be precise Jul 26 10:21:15 there are more Jul 26 10:21:28 but, they aren't working on my machine for some reason Jul 26 10:22:26 the immediately normal userland in the download section of jlime for the jornada 7xx uses 2.6.19r6, but that system is not working Jul 26 10:22:41 and I have pretty generic hardware Jul 26 10:25:02 every time I try to run that one, I get a kernal panic, cannot read source Jul 26 10:25:05 or something Jul 26 10:25:52 Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,255) Jul 26 10:26:00 thats the actual message Jul 26 10:28:29 wow, I just ran cat /dev/hda2, and it just went crazy Jul 26 10:28:32 and froze Jul 26 10:28:53 yeah, that's a hard disk partition device... Jul 26 10:29:12 thats the partition I set for linux Jul 26 10:29:13 it just messed up your terminal probably, it shouldn't freeze the whole machine Jul 26 10:29:26 it's not particularly useful to cat it though Jul 26 10:29:26 well it messed up with the terminal, then froze the machine Jul 26 10:29:43 I am just learning from waht it does Jul 26 10:30:02 i have no idear what CAT means, or any other command Jul 26 10:30:24 I learn by being show the command, what it does, and how it is described Jul 26 10:30:39 *shown Jul 26 10:33:19 I know that /dev/ mean device...right? Jul 26 10:33:25 yeh Jul 26 10:33:27 yeah Jul 26 10:33:30 ok Jul 26 10:33:37 so..what is cat? Jul 26 10:33:44 caterax? Jul 26 10:34:09 catenate Jul 26 10:34:25 o.O? Jul 26 10:34:33 look it up ;) Jul 26 10:34:37 describe? Jul 26 10:38:00 finally..something i can understand..http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part1/section-3.html#b Jul 26 10:39:03 Ok, I guess this was wayy to hard for you to describe to me Jul 26 10:39:20 CATenate, "to connect in a series" Jul 26 10:39:43 so that command describes what is connected to the source input? Jul 26 10:39:55 shawn187: I'm at work... Jul 26 10:40:14 oh..midnight shift? Jul 26 10:40:23 shawn187: no, I'm in the UK :) Jul 26 10:40:26 or you in lodon? Jul 26 10:40:30 *london..ah Jul 26 10:40:31 yes Jul 26 10:40:53 wow..other americans are lazy..and dont care D: Jul 26 10:41:01 more people from the uk that do care Jul 26 10:41:39 I mean, more ukers seem to care a lot more than us americans :( Jul 26 10:41:56 just a matter of finding the right group, I guess Jul 26 10:41:56 and the few that do, can't change that :/ Jul 26 10:42:16 agree :/ Jul 26 10:58:02 night bluelightning Jul 26 10:58:09 night Jul 26 10:58:10 its 4:57PM in the morning D: Jul 26 10:58:18 I gotta stop staying up Jul 26 10:58:48 thanks for your help, will ask for more in the morning Jul 26 11:14:31 is there a good reason why gdb depends on python? What is not going to work if I remove that dependency? Jul 26 11:16:21 mertsas: http://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/Python.html Jul 26 11:16:46 thanks vzapolskiy Jul 26 11:17:06 mertsas: the change that introduced it: http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/?id=73a90b88541c373aa5b83a939dd3b5f1fe05b9b8 Jul 26 11:19:04 thing is, we are using python subprocess in our build script for our application. If we make a toolchain using gdb with python, it will automatically try and use that python, which doesn't have subprocess Jul 26 11:19:15 and quite some time was spent to make that working http://patches.openembedded.org/patch/24027/ Jul 26 11:21:14 ok, I'll just remove it in our local gdb then, until I think of a way to make python optional for gdb. Jul 26 11:54:58 is downloads.yoctoproject.org down or unrouteable? Jul 26 11:55:10 Connecting to downloads.yoctoproject.org (downloads.yoctoproject.org)|140.211.169.118|:80... failed: No route to host. Jul 26 11:56:28 hrw: same from here Jul 26 11:56:52 thanks Jul 26 11:58:47 hi all Jul 26 13:05:12 ls Jul 26 13:09:18 bluelightning: you said yesterday you were interested in writing qt5 recipes. We have some that works, but are a bit messy. They are based on the qt4 recipes from about 5-6 months ago, but some of it is not that nice anymore. What could be interesting though is the declarative, xmlpatterns etc. modules. If you are interested in having a look at it, I could tarbal it and mail it to you Jul 26 13:12:43 mertsas: definitely Jul 26 13:13:01 mertsas: I can't promise to have a look at them immediately but having a head start would be very much appreciated Jul 26 13:18:21 sure, if you send me your e-mail I'll send it right away Jul 26 13:19:10 mertsas: paul.eggleton at linux.intel.com Jul 26 13:23:15 done Jul 26 13:23:31 but rejected Jul 26 13:23:46 what types of attachments do intel accept? tar.gz was rejected Jul 26 13:24:48 mertsas: hmm, I'd not had any issues before... try paul.eggleton at intel.com instead Jul 26 13:24:57 (different server) Jul 26 13:25:29 maybe it's too big? Jul 26 13:26:45 if it's just recipes, how big can it be?? Jul 26 13:27:38 it's 17K big Jul 26 13:27:54 intel.com rejects as well Jul 26 13:28:12 message is: The following file(s) appear to be of a type that is not accepted by Intel; Jul 26 13:28:30 heh evil corporations :) Jul 26 13:28:58 hehe Jul 26 13:29:06 I'll try to just make a zip then Jul 26 13:30:20 argh, sorry about that :/ Jul 26 13:30:23 damned filtering Jul 26 13:30:45 mertsas: why don't you push it to same repo? Jul 26 13:30:56 maybe someone else would be also interested in your changes Jul 26 13:31:41 and announce it on ML so that someone won't duplicate your work.. Jul 26 13:32:48 yeah, true. I'll do that I guess Jul 26 13:33:16 yep sounds good Jul 26 13:37:25 https://github.com/martiert/meta-qt5.git Jul 26 13:38:08 should I send the mail to openembedded-core or devel? Jul 26 13:40:59 Ah I was expecting upgrade in openembedded-core/meta/recipes-qt/qt5 but new layer is also fine for now I guess Jul 26 13:41:20 mertsas: both MLs is fine Jul 26 13:41:45 worth noting that this is called meta-qt5 but it's not actually a layer Jul 26 13:42:40 ah true Jul 26 13:43:15 JaMa: yeah, true. Like bluelightning said, not actually a layer either. If someone want to actually make it a layer, or pull it into openembedded-core/meta/recipes-qt/qt5, feel free. Thing is, I'm not sure if it should be upstreamed as it is now Jul 26 13:53:44 btw, does it require more than a layers.conf for this to work as a layer? Jul 26 13:54:26 mertsas: only conf/layer.conf really Jul 26 13:54:34 then I'll just add that Jul 26 13:54:43 A very short README might be nice as well ;) Jul 26 13:58:28 done Jul 26 14:24:35 when using systemd, should I use systemd or udev as preferred provider of udev, udev-utils and udev-systemd? Jul 26 14:24:57 kind of confusing that there are two of them:P Jul 26 14:35:24 someone has problems with brocken symlinks? Jul 26 15:21:56 gm florian Jul 26 15:22:07 hi likewise Jul 26 15:24:02 Crofton: ping, you online? Jul 26 21:06:24 I am experimenting with a beaglebone and oe-core and am having some issues with systemd. Jul 26 21:07:08 I cannot get things like connman and dropbear and avahi to come-up on boot. I am starting with a console-image with no modifications Jul 26 21:07:47 I can start them with systemctl but when I enable them and reboot, the changes do not stick. Jul 26 21:08:07 I found a report of the same issue from April. Has this been solved, or am I doing something wrong? Jul 26 21:13:21 Hello Jul 26 21:14:18 I'm having a lot of trouble just getting off the ground with openembedded, coming from buildroot, where I just make menuconfig, and then everything else is done for me, It;s quite a change Jul 26 21:16:04 well, yes and no. Here you define your machine and run a single command (bitbake), in the normal case Jul 26 21:16:54 Is there any sort of package selection? I can't find much documentation at all, and the getting started isn't very clear Jul 26 21:17:38 no, you build images, think about a collection of packages Jul 26 21:17:48 Okay Jul 26 21:18:19 so I have to manually build all packages by doing bitbake , or can I create a list somewhere? Jul 26 21:18:32 How do I get a nicely formatted list of packages available Jul 26 21:19:26 hm, maybe with the online builders, like Hob and Narcissus Jul 26 21:19:56 but then you'll assemble prebuilt packages Jul 26 21:19:57 really? there isn't any built in way to just list everything, so atleast I can grep through it? Jul 26 21:21:40 alexhairyman: bitbake -s will list the recipes available; but that only includes the layers you have configured Jul 26 21:21:53 bluelightning layers? Jul 26 21:22:08 alexhairyman: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded-Core Jul 26 21:22:46 Okay Jul 26 21:22:46 a layer is just a logical group of recipes Jul 26 21:23:30 So, i can specify a "layer" that has packages like coreutils/make/etc ? Jul 26 21:23:44 and then pair that with the machine & distro Jul 26 21:24:01 alexhairyman: OE-Core has all of the recipes needed to build basic a linux system, including those you mentioned Jul 26 21:24:41 but yes, on top of that you will almost certainly need to add layers for the machine and any additional recipes / configuration / distro policy you want on top Jul 26 21:24:57 I am converting over from oe-classic to oe-core/sysvinit to systemd and am having some trouble Jul 26 21:25:18 martinmeba: I don't have much experience with systemd I'm afraid Jul 26 21:25:41 I'm sticking with sysvinit for the moment Jul 26 21:25:47 bluelightning okay, but first, i need bitbake to work, every package that it parses or whatever, it ERROR's but continues, until package 3936 or something, then it stops Jul 26 21:25:51 yeah Jul 26 21:25:52 ok Jul 26 21:25:59 that is the fallback strategy that I am persuing Jul 26 21:26:19 alexhairyman: not sure but it sounds to me like you're using OE-Classic with a bitbake version that's too new Jul 26 21:26:39 alexhairyman: my suggestion - start with this: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_OE-Core Jul 26 21:26:54 alexhairyman: or, follow the Yocto Project quickstart; its the same metadata Jul 26 21:26:56 no high-level services start - connman, avahi, dropbear - I can start them but if I enable them and reboot, they do not stick Jul 26 21:26:56 how do I know? Jul 26 21:27:08 alexhairyman: what instructions are you following now? Jul 26 21:27:40 I found a post outlining this exact problem: http://www.mail-archive.com/angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org/msg05833.html Jul 26 21:29:36 Should I clone openembedded/openembedded.git? that's what I have now Jul 26 21:29:46 alexhairyman: that's OE-Classic Jul 26 21:29:52 damnit! Jul 26 21:29:55 alexhairyman: not really maintained anymore Jul 26 21:29:57 GAHH! SO LOST! Jul 26 21:30:07 unfortunately we've been extremely bad at updating our documentation Jul 26 21:30:08 okay.... core.... Jul 26 21:30:18 sorry about that... Jul 26 21:30:39 if I just dropped in oe-core in place of the oe-classic will I break shit? Jul 26 21:31:04 bluelightning: yea, who has cow-powers to deface wiki? Jul 26 21:31:15 alexhairyman: as long as you're not intermingling the two then it should be fine Jul 26 21:31:25 okay... Jul 26 21:31:28 ant__: I have write access Jul 26 21:31:35 and will bitbake 1.10 work? Jul 26 21:32:20 alexhairyman: you'll need much newer than that Jul 26 21:32:32 alexhairyman: for latest OE-Core I'd suggest latest bitbake Jul 26 21:32:37 K Jul 26 21:33:07 ant__: unfortunately I can't delete pages, so some of this spam can't be removed :/ Jul 26 21:33:19 bluelightning: heh, I thought you could maybe temporarly retire the Main_Page and provide a blank page with the couple of links you've outlined above Jul 26 21:33:46 better nothing than wrong - outdated info imo Jul 26 21:34:23 ant__: yes, we could just move the old main page content to another page Jul 26 21:35:32 why does bitbake report 2 versions? it has core version 1.10.2 bitbake version 1.15.3 Jul 26 21:36:41 alexhairyman: something is wrong, they should both be 1.15.3 Jul 26 21:36:54 I think you'd better just follow the instructions linked above Jul 26 21:38:16 So I can have multiple build directories? Jul 26 21:38:53 alexhairyman: yes, if you need different configurations Jul 26 21:39:04 bluelightning: there are still trolls creating accounts, though Jul 26 21:39:09 :p Jul 26 21:39:16 ant__: well, spammers... yes Jul 26 21:39:51 what is the difference between yocto and openembedded? Jul 26 21:40:25 http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2011/03/yocto-project-aligns-technology-openembedded-and-gains-corporate-co Jul 26 21:40:36 alexhairyman: the yocto project is an umbrella project which does some of the work on OE-Core Jul 26 21:41:13 alexhairyman: it produces a reference build system called Poky which uses OE-Core and bitbake Jul 26 21:41:25 so, we share exactly the same metadata Jul 26 21:41:45 (I say we, actually I am involved directly with both OE and the Yocto Project) Jul 26 21:41:56 just for full disclosure ;) Jul 26 21:42:04 Okay..... I guess? :\ just confusing to me Jul 26 21:42:27 we're trying to clear up the confusion Jul 26 21:42:46 I've spent hours trying to get this working, so I'm kind of just ready to have a qemuable image I can , like from buildroot Jul 26 21:42:46 ultimately we're all working on the same thing - OE-Core and BitBake Jul 26 21:42:54 but first FOOD TIME! Jul 26 21:43:02 heh good plan Jul 26 21:43:28 precisely there is a part of openembedded-classic not yet merged in oe-core Jul 26 21:43:45 those recipes live in the meta-openembedded git tree Jul 26 21:43:49 and layers Jul 26 21:44:14 well, you say not yet merged Jul 26 21:44:18 not all of that belongs in the core Jul 26 21:44:32 ok, s/merged/regarded/ ? Jul 26 21:44:52 right, that's more correct Jul 26 21:55:53 does oe-core have a lot less packages? Jul 26 21:58:20 I'm trying to set up a minimal headless image that will only be for running a java server Jul 26 22:00:22 How do I use the interfaces? What are the interfaces? like hob and knotty Jul 26 22:57:54 alexhairyman, use oe-core and do your image carefully, it should be ok Jul 26 22:58:12 for the GUI I only use the command line interface Jul 26 22:58:34 How do the gui's work though? Jul 26 22:59:03 ohhhh. that how it works XD **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 27 02:59:58 2012