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Sep 28 03:43:08 <alexhairyman> It's always so quiet in here, that's how you know everyone here has a job :D
Sep 28 05:57:09 <gvergine> hi all, i'm new to openembedded/bitbake, and i'm sorry if i'm making a stupid question but... in do_install() i want to use (obviously) my arm linux strip program,  ./../gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabihf-2012.07-20120720_linux/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-strip
Sep 28 05:57:53 <gvergine> but it says "not found" :-( how can i do?
Sep 28 05:58:06 <gvergine> thank you all 
Sep 28 06:14:11 <eFfeM_work> gvergine: you can just use strip (no prefix) but normally oe will do the stripping for you when creating the packages
Sep 28 06:27:02 <gvergine> solved, i used {STRIP}
Sep 28 06:27:09 <gvergine> tya
Sep 28 07:12:54 <mckoan> good morning
Sep 28 07:14:16 <woglinde> hi mckoan
Sep 28 07:15:15 <mckoan> hi woglinde
Sep 28 08:19:19 <silvio_> morning all
Sep 28 08:19:38 <bluelightning> hi silvio_
Sep 28 08:29:57 <silvio_> hi bluelightning 
Sep 28 08:30:34 <bluelightning> morning all as well :)
Sep 28 09:00:08 <hrw> 2http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2012/09/28/lets-take-a-look-at-arm-boards-again/
Sep 28 09:00:21 <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2012/09/28/lets-take-a-look-at-arm-boards-again/ would be better
Sep 28 09:00:43 <CruX|> yea
Sep 28 09:02:05 <CruX|> can you recommend cheap board for development ?
Sep 28 09:02:31 <CruX|> cheap if possibble
Sep 28 09:02:38 <bluelightning> hrw: so ultimately no conclusions then...?
Sep 28 09:05:07 <hrw> bluelightning: this time decided to skip conclusions
Sep 28 09:05:39 <hrw> CruX|: pandaboard
Sep 28 09:06:38 <hrw> bluelightning: reactions were usually very mixed and I had some crazy talks with people so prefer to just skip :)
Sep 28 09:06:49 <jackmitchell> I like the beaglebone - plus there is some very nice stuff that should be mainlined by (hopefully!) 3.8
Sep 28 09:06:51 <hrw> will see how people will react this time and may add something
Sep 28 09:07:21 <hrw> hm.. I forgot about this via apc one
Sep 28 09:07:35 <jackmitchell> hrw: I just had a quick read and the sabrelite board looks very interesting, one of the few ARM boards with PCIe
Sep 28 09:08:26 <hrw> jackmitchell: exactly
Sep 28 09:08:32 <hrw> jackmitchell: of the few cheap ones
Sep 28 09:08:50 <hrw> cause Marvell has full atx board with ArmadaXP and several pcie slots
Sep 28 09:08:52 <jackmitchell> hrw: we work with multiple FPGA's here and I would love to be able to get them all on a PCIe bus
Sep 28 09:09:09 <CruX|> hmm pandaboard is about 162 eur
Sep 28 09:09:15 <CruX|> it's too much
Sep 28 09:09:27 <jackmitchell> CruX|: how about the beaglebone? What are your requirements?
Sep 28 09:10:14 <jackmitchell> CruX|: If you're willing to take a gameble the wandaboard with Freescale should be fairly cheap (and multiple cpu's)
Sep 28 09:10:22 <CruX|> jackmitchell: faster than raspberry without hdmi and without video memory
Sep 28 09:10:36 <hrw> CruX|: beaglebone then
Sep 28 09:10:38 <jackmitchell> CruX|: however I don't have much faith in freescale
Sep 28 09:10:41 <CruX|> freescale is powerpc ?
Sep 28 09:10:44 <hrw> was
Sep 28 09:11:05 <hrw> freescale iirc nearly dropped ppc market and concentrated on arm
Sep 28 09:11:12 <CruX|> ah
Sep 28 09:11:22 <jackmitchell> Freescale seem to be picking up their game, but I've had too much grief from them in the past to forget so easily
Sep 28 09:11:25 <hrw> they have arm926/arm11/armv7-a cpu lines
Sep 28 09:11:46 <jackmitchell> they're also doing a lot of mainline work now which is nice, hopefully it will last...
Sep 28 09:11:47 <hrw> jackmitchell: and they have very weak linux support.
Sep 28 09:12:04 <hrw> jackmitchell: o. they changed finally? cool
Sep 28 09:12:05 <jackmitchell> hrw: yes, this has been picking up a lot recently
Sep 28 09:12:16 <jackmitchell> hrw: but again, I don't know if it will last
Sep 28 09:13:32 <CruX|> ibm is still prodicing powerpc cpus ?
Sep 28 09:13:42 <hrw> CruX|: yes
Sep 28 09:13:48 <hrw> CruX|: Sony still makes ps3 ;)
Sep 28 09:14:26 <hrw> 'which company has won console market? Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo?'
Sep 28 09:14:34 <hrw> 'IBM: sold cpus to all three'
Sep 28 09:15:27 <CruX|> hmm to apple too and then apple switched to x86
Sep 28 09:19:23 <hrw> ppc were slow compared to x86
Sep 28 09:30:37 <woglinde> and ibm still produces power cpu's
Sep 28 09:44:33 <pb_> morning all
Sep 28 09:45:34 <bluelightning> hi pb_
Sep 28 09:53:25 <pb_> hi bluelightning
Sep 28 10:11:48 <afournier> is it difficult to add a systemd layer to oe-core ?
Sep 28 10:14:18 <stefan_schmidt_w> afournier: you could simply use the available meta-systemd layer :)
Sep 28 10:15:35 <stefan_schmidt_w> afournier: for available layers have a look here: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/LayerIndex
Sep 28 10:17:52 <afournier> i saw it was available, but i don't know if it's compatible with oe-core, has this layer belongs to oe classic
Sep 28 10:18:01 <afournier> as*
Sep 28 10:18:56 <stefan_schmidt_w> afournier: a layer can never belong to oe-classic as oe-classic did not use the layer concept
Sep 28 10:19:00 <pb_> does it really?  oe-classic didn't really have layers.
Sep 28 10:19:06 <afournier> ah ok
Sep 28 10:19:15 <stefan_schmidt_w> afournier: you may got confused as its in meta-openembedded
Sep 28 10:19:19 <afournier> i thought openembedded was the oe classic
Sep 28 10:19:28 <afournier> yes i got confused
Sep 28 10:19:48 <stefan_schmidt_w> afournier: that is more or less all the stuff that people found worth bringing over and whioch was not already in oe-core or other layers
Sep 28 10:19:59 <stefan_schmidt_w> see it as layer of last resort or misc. :)
Sep 28 10:20:16 <stefan_schmidt_w> afournier: if it is a layer its oe-core :)
Sep 28 10:20:35 <afournier> good to know =)
Sep 28 10:21:10 <afournier> so it's ok to put meta-oe next to oe-core
Sep 28 10:22:24 <afournier> but then, can i only add meta-systemd to my layers, or do i have to put the meta-openembedded and meta-systemd will be included automagically ?
Sep 28 10:24:12 <stefan_schmidt_w> afournier: Haven't worked with it so I can't say for sure.
Sep 28 10:24:44 <stefan_schmidt_w> afournier: if you include only meta-systemd and it fails with some missing deps you would need to add meta-oe I think. :)
Sep 28 10:24:53 <afournier> in the README it says, This layer depends on: openembedded-core And we're working to break the dependency on this one: meta-openembedded
Sep 28 10:25:08 <afournier> sounds clear to me
Sep 28 10:25:08 <stefan_schmidt_w> afournier: Maybe worth waiting for some other answers as well. :)
Sep 28 10:25:39 <stefan_schmidt_w> yup, the question is if the README is up to date :)
Sep 28 10:25:46 <afournier> haha
Sep 28 10:26:59 <afournier> wtf mpd is doing in this layer ?
Sep 28 10:27:33 <stefan_schmidt_w> I would think is maybe just an append to make the original recipe systemd aware?
Sep 28 10:27:33 <afournier> ow it's liek this layer is meant to add systemd support to other recipe
Sep 28 10:27:35 <afournier> neat!
Sep 28 10:27:41 <stefan_schmidt_w> like adding a unit
Sep 28 10:27:42 <afournier> that's it
Sep 28 10:27:47 <stefan_schmidt_w> :)
Sep 28 10:30:55 <stefan_schmidt_w> have to run. bye
Sep 28 11:37:45 <tasslehoff> how do I fix a "package version went backwards" error for kernel. delete all the ipk's?
Sep 28 12:01:29 <Noor> hello all
Sep 28 12:02:07 <Noor> when we get sources from any git repo I noticed that a tar file for that project is also created
Sep 28 12:05:58 <Noor> is it some openembedded is doing or its something else
Sep 28 12:17:01 <ikrefus> hi all
Sep 28 12:17:27 <woglinde> hi
Sep 28 12:19:05 <ikrefus> i have a bitbake problem: i wrote my own recipe (mplayer), bitbake mplayer goes well, bitbaking the image also, but when i try to add mplayer to IMAGE_INSTALL, bitbaking the image stops, telling me (in the logs) : Unknown package 'mplayer'. What could be the issue? Thanks in advance
Sep 28 12:19:47 <woglinde> we already have mplayer
Sep 28 12:20:11 <ikrefus> i just found mplayer2, not mplayer
Sep 28 12:20:53 <CruX|> yeah mplayer2 ftw
Sep 28 12:20:59 <ikrefus> anyway, i'm trying to learn openembedded and bitbake, so i would learn to write my own recipes also
Sep 28 12:21:21 <ikrefus> (as far i know, mplayer2 is a fork from original mplayer)
Sep 28 12:21:53 <woglinde> ikrefus hm maybee you did somehting wrong and no package is generated
Sep 28 12:22:19 <ikrefus> if i make bitbake mplayer evrything goes fine
Sep 28 12:23:05 <ikrefus> I'm probably missing something basic about bitbake architecture
Sep 28 12:25:21 <woglinde> you could try to compy over the stuff from oe-classic
Sep 28 12:25:29 <woglinde> copy and adapt
Sep 28 12:25:31 <woglinde> http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded/tree/recipes/mplayer
Sep 28 12:26:55 <pb_> does anybody know whether gold works on mips nowadays?
Sep 28 12:29:52 * pb_ waits patiently for ld-bfd to link webkit
Sep 28 12:29:54 <woglinde> pb khem might know
Sep 28 12:30:18 <woglinde> pb what are you doing with mips?
Sep 28 12:30:28 <pb_> woglinde: building products :-)
Sep 28 12:31:34 <woglinde> :)
Sep 28 12:31:52 <pb_> all our current product line is mips based in one way or another
Sep 28 12:34:10 <woglinde> oh okay
Sep 28 12:34:20 <woglinde> settop boxes?
Sep 28 12:37:13 <pb_> pretty much, yeah
Sep 28 19:19:18 <khem> pb_: no gold does not work that well on anything other than x86_64 and arm
Sep 28 19:19:49 <khem> pb_: there are problems with it linking systemd based images essentially util-linux shows up some underlinking 
Sep 28 19:20:09 <khem> mozilla has issues on thumb2 trampoline code
Sep 28 19:20:11 <khem> and so on
Sep 28 19:20:27 <khem> frankly, I have never tried it on mips
Sep 28 19:20:43 <khem> and my confidence has lately gone low on it
Sep 28 19:20:49 <khem> even on i586
Sep 28 19:20:51 <khem> and arm
Sep 28 19:29:05 <JaMa> armv4t is also still broken with gold
Sep 28 19:44:04 <azery> hi 
Sep 28 19:44:34 <azery> tomtom is it using oe firmware ?
Sep 28 19:54:41 <woglinde> azery dont know
Sep 28 19:54:47 <woglinde> and oe is no firmware
Sep 28 19:54:58 <woglinde> oe is a build system to make distributions
Sep 28 20:57:19 <j8> is there a good way to have my meta-package recipe run do_package for its DEPENDS recipes?
Sep 28 21:09:49 <wakko> you cannot use RDEPENDS ?
Sep 28 21:18:51 <j8> either DEPENDS or RDEPENDS gets it to do_populate_sysroot, but no farther
Sep 28 21:19:30 <wakko> RDEPENDS does not forward the do_package ?
Sep 28 21:24:27 <j8> it compiles the depedency, but does never calls do_package
Sep 28 21:26:42 <j8> if i run "bitbake dependency" directly, it does however
Sep 28 21:27:30 <Marex> hi
Sep 28 21:27:55 <Marex> is there any way to configure VLANs on a micrel PHY (the PHY behaves as a 3-port switch) in stock Linux system ?
Sep 28 21:28:07 <Marex> it's fine to write a driver, but I didn't find any bindings for that in phylib
Sep 28 21:28:19 <Marex> oops
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