**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 22 03:00:00 2012 Oct 22 06:44:47 gm Oct 22 08:18:32 good morning Oct 22 08:45:16 morning all Oct 22 11:19:25 quiet today Oct 22 12:01:00 hi, all! I'm trying to run mplayer (for the stream video) on the pandaboard... but it exit with no video output. What am I missing? This is the log: http://pastebin.com/AmaBNKGr Oct 22 13:08:30 Crofton|work: cycling expedition during ELCE Edinburgh? Oct 22 13:08:50 hmm Oct 22 13:08:54 might be a good idea Oct 22 13:09:11 Crofton|work: there is a while to plan it, its £20 to hire the bike for the day Oct 22 15:47:39 hey. is hey Oct 22 15:47:48 yo. is yo Oct 22 15:47:50 what's the status of systemd within angstrom and oe-core? Oct 22 15:48:04 haha - i forgot i started a previous line :D Oct 22 15:49:38 i mean... first q: is systemd mandatory? and second: can a system with systemd be upgraded to an initscripts-based system? Oct 22 15:50:54 * eren oh Lennart, it's so confusing.. I wish to say Oct 22 15:51:17 CMoH: with OE-Core it's not mandatory, with angstrom it probably is Oct 22 15:51:40 bluelightning, oh no Oct 22 15:51:56 don't tell me they succumbed to the mirage of easier distro maintainance at the expense of user pain Oct 22 15:52:15 well, at least I don't think anyone's testing angstrom without systemd, and given how invasive it is I doubt it works Oct 22 15:52:16 as a user, i love, love, love the improved boot times, and it's not that much more difficult to manage Oct 22 15:52:22 morning Oct 22 15:52:25 but i doubt i'd want to use it on my embedded systems anytime soon Oct 22 15:52:35 kergoth, i'm updating a system with systemd Oct 22 15:52:41 I'm out-dated on init systems, I need to read systemd manual Oct 22 15:52:42 i mean, opkg upgrade Oct 22 15:52:51 I know the first days systemd was born Oct 22 15:52:56 after the upgrade some of the services from the default.target are no longer started Oct 22 15:53:05 there has been so much change so far Oct 22 15:53:07 however, if i login and i systemctl start default.target, they start Oct 22 15:53:08 CMoH: so that'd be a bug in whatever distro you're using Oct 22 15:53:25 one more thing: if i burn the image without upgrading it, they also start Oct 22 15:53:25 best to report it Oct 22 15:53:31 systemd is beginning to be a new operating system on its own :P Oct 22 15:53:47 i made a diff between the two images, and the systemd's configuration from /etc/systemd and /lib/systemd are a perfect match Oct 22 15:54:09 i've used debug mode on systemd and it seems it simply... forgets about going further Oct 22 15:54:14 at some point Oct 22 15:54:43 quality.... Oct 22 15:55:37 i am quite desperate, since there is really nothing I can do short of patching systemd itself somehow... because if i enter some extra line in a .service file, there's no guarantee on the next upgrade systemd won't "forget" about the new serviec Oct 22 15:55:39 as mentioned, that's a distro bug, best to report it to #angstrom or whatever Oct 22 15:56:07 for angstrom best to use the mailing list, not much attention is paid to the IRC channel Oct 22 15:56:17 (the angstrom mailing list, I mean) Oct 22 15:56:42 ah well... i really have an issue with the closeness of systemd... its pure anti-linux philosophy Oct 22 15:57:09 anyway, that's just me Oct 22 15:57:22 complaining about it here isn't going to solve your problem. if you don't want systemd, use a different distro, or find a way to remove it Oct 22 15:57:35 bluelightning: ah, good to know Oct 22 16:00:52 well, kergoth, someone has to complain somewhere... it seems distros fall one by one Oct 22 16:01:13 anyway, my question here was about the plans of the community Oct 22 16:01:32 because my safest option is to drop systemd and get back to a system under my control, like initscripts Oct 22 16:01:47 so, the plan is in the ucomping development cycle we will be working on integrating systemd in OE-Core Oct 22 16:02:17 didn't you just extract it in a separate layer? Oct 22 16:02:38 it is, but that doesn't mean it's gotten love and polish and testing :) Oct 22 16:02:40 but sysvinit will remain available (and possibly remain the default) for the immediate future Oct 22 16:03:05 the separate layer was a stepping stone; it allows you to see exactly what's needed for systemd support Oct 22 16:03:59 it's going to need heavy testing and fixing before it can be integrated, to ensure there's no disruption for people wanting to use sysvinit Oct 22 16:05:07 i see Oct 22 16:05:14 CMoH: it was extracted out of meta-oe, not OE-Core Oct 22 16:05:17 FYI Oct 22 16:09:05 bluelightning, thanks for the info Oct 22 16:09:13 unfortunately i've started development while it was there Oct 22 16:11:29 thanks for the info Oct 22 16:11:41 and kudos for keeping initscripts available Oct 22 16:20:34 afternoon all Oct 22 16:25:18 hey pb_ Oct 22 16:25:20 how's it going? Oct 22 16:25:55 yeah, good Oct 22 16:26:14 just had to tick a box on a web form certifying that "I am not an employee of Mentor Graphics" Oct 22 16:26:14 heh Oct 22 16:27:20 heh, interesting Oct 22 16:27:42 (downloading fpga tools from lattice) Oct 22 16:28:37 not quite sure what would have happened if I had said I was a mentor employee, presumably I would just have been given a large jpeg of a raised finger or something Oct 22 16:33:52 hehe Oct 22 16:34:00 that does seem rather odd Oct 22 17:00:18 kergoth, I am reading conflicting reports on how to set: conf.local PARALLEL_MAKE and BB_NUMBER_THREADS Oct 22 17:00:50 ? Oct 22 17:01:17 from PARALLEL_MAKE = number of cores, BB_NUMBER_THREADS = n-1 to to 2X the number of cores you have. Oct 22 17:02:04 you can set them to whatever you what. what will be optimal will depend on the machine, I/O performance, ram, etc. there are *conventions* people follow, but those obviously vary Oct 22 17:02:24 i set parallel make to 2xcores and threads to 1.5xcores, myself, but thats personal preferece Oct 22 17:02:53 ideally you use a script to rebuild something for each combo of core and thread count to see what does best on your machine Oct 22 17:03:30 kergoth, thanks...I'll play around with this. Oct 22 17:03:39 np Oct 22 18:31:52 so.. who broke imx6qsabrelite? it sucks in imx-base.inc, which in turn pulls in imx-lib, but that only builds for mx5 machines, not mx6 Oct 22 18:50:33 kergoth git blame ;) Oct 22 19:06:37 'git blame' aka 'Say hello to Bangalore' :) Oct 22 20:10:28 otavio: ping **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 23 03:00:00 2012