**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 07 03:00:02 2012 Nov 07 08:21:39 good morning Nov 07 08:22:12 Linus speaking at ELCE 2012 in a few minutes Nov 07 09:56:00 mckoan: it was rather Q&A session then speaking Nov 07 10:13:18 I wanted to ask Dirk what he thought about the future of the desktop. Nov 07 12:57:22 so.. since there is a meta-systemd, shoudn't there be a meta-sysvinit ? Nov 07 13:04:27 CMoH: i agree with you :) Nov 07 13:09:45 hi all Nov 07 13:14:54 hey pb_ Nov 07 13:36:22 florian: good afternoon! Nov 07 13:47:35 hi all Nov 07 13:54:20 help flags Nov 07 13:54:46 help flags Nov 07 13:55:00 Err sorry =) Nov 07 13:55:54 mnsg ChanServ help flags Nov 07 14:26:51 which is the best way to put an autostart in the oe-core image? Nov 07 15:28:54 does anyone use bitbake on MacOs? I'm not referring to get openembedded working on Mac Nov 07 15:29:15 I'm trying to get minimal "hello world" bitbake project to work on MacOS X Nov 07 15:33:06 however, I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/Y8yttYzw Nov 07 15:33:34 I've build bitbake, cd into ./build, set PYTHONPATH to ./build/lib and tried to run it. Nov 07 15:51:13 oh, I guess I fixed it Nov 07 15:55:20 It was caused by SQLite error. Bitbake tries to enable cache and it fails by some reason. The error is not handled so it does not work. I simply commented sqlite cache code. It seems to work now. I will send an email to mailing list to discuss. Nov 07 15:56:24 see ya! Nov 07 16:01:15 heh, sounds like he was trying to use an old python version or something Nov 07 16:03:22 re Nov 07 16:51:15 is it remotely reasonable to use bitbake and some of OE's classes/recipes to build a different OS entirely? (not linux) My build works in much the same general way: download sources, build toolchain, use toolchain to build host/target code, make system image.. Nov 07 16:51:30 The entire OE tree is verrrry complicated, though, adn I'm not sure where I would start doing this Nov 07 16:53:08 Torne: there's no reason you couldn't do that Nov 07 16:53:15 we always intended that to be possible Nov 07 16:53:24 morning kergoth Nov 07 16:53:27 well, sure. it was more "is there any documentation/clues on how to do this", really ;) Nov 07 16:53:44 because i've had a look and i just don't really know where to start Nov 07 16:53:50 fwiw, we do use oe to build windows binaries with ming32, no linux involved there Nov 07 16:54:23 Well, okay, it's not the linux-ness of it that matters, more that my set of packages is going to be almost entirely disjoint Nov 07 16:54:24 I've never tried using it for another "whole os" kind of thing but it ought just to be a case of swapping out the linux recipes for something else. Nov 07 16:54:32 what is it you're trying to target exactly? Nov 07 16:54:36 my own OS :) Nov 07 16:54:47 oh, right, so custom everything? Nov 07 16:54:52 more or less Nov 07 16:55:02 i use gcc+newlib for a toolchain/C lib Nov 07 16:55:06 and i crosscompile python Nov 07 16:55:08 that's certainly doable. you can reuse most of the native stuff, and maybe gcc if you don't have your own compiler. Nov 07 16:55:11 but the rest of the code is mine Nov 07 16:55:27 which is more or less the situation mingw32 is in, it doesn't use any of the linuxish packages on the target side. Nov 07 16:55:39 (it does use gcc, but it has its own runtime libs) Nov 07 16:55:49 currently i have a series of horrible hacks Nov 07 16:56:02 and i'm running into problems like "libgcc is not built target-specifically" Nov 07 16:56:09 you guys have already dealt with those kinds of things Nov 07 16:56:17 :) Nov 07 16:57:16 pb_: is the mingw32 stuff part of the main OE tree, or is it its own.. thing? Nov 07 16:57:36 no, it's in my local tree, but I might be able to publish it without too much drama Nov 07 16:57:52 I'll have a look. Nov 07 16:57:54 the actual OE tree is really big, and i need virtually nothing from it; it would be nice to kinda have a "Minimal" tree Nov 07 16:58:11 well, oe-core isn't all that big, and probably at least half of what's in there is native bits that you do need. Nov 07 16:58:18 hm Nov 07 16:58:30 you can always mask out things you don't want with BBMASK, but personally I wouldn't bother. Nov 07 16:58:31 possibly you have restructured things since i last looked into this :) Nov 07 16:58:40 it was a while ago Nov 07 17:00:49 i'll have a look at what things look like now. Nov 07 17:01:32 i'm just a bit worried it's going to be massively overcomplicated for my pretty small requirements. but, i can't find any other build systems that do the things i want either :p Nov 07 17:15:32 okay, the oe-core makes a *lot* more sense Nov 07 18:16:44 oh, sqlite issue was already fixed in master :( Nov 07 18:17:00 * eren was going to send his first patch to OE Nov 07 21:54:43 when was OE born? Nov 07 21:54:48 damnit, I should know Nov 07 21:55:01 hm 2001? Nov 07 21:55:08 or earlier Nov 07 21:56:01 last i checked it had been 8 or so years, so probably 2003 or 2004 Nov 07 21:56:07 but its easy to check the oe or bitbake repositories Nov 07 21:56:13 the reconstructed history goes most of the way Nov 07 21:57:28 hm Nov 07 21:57:35 ok, I'll use 2004 :) Nov 07 21:57:40 I joined 2003/2004 Nov 07 21:58:16 basically, I am on a panel for the yocto project developer day Nov 07 21:58:28 and want to say OE has been around since 2004 Nov 07 21:59:33 yes Nov 07 21:59:40 just want to give some perspective who long OE has been around Nov 07 23:12:49 khem, ping? Nov 07 23:51:36 scoutcamper, khem is on hioliday sort of Nov 07 23:52:12 okay. that answers my question :) Nov 07 23:59:16 he is at elce this week, so I knwo he has limited internet Nov 08 01:15:39 is there a newlib recipe for OE somewhere? google suggests not.. Nov 08 01:35:37 I know this should be simple, but how do I get LD to be specified to be g++, instead of ld, since I'm linking a C++ app? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 08 03:00:01 2012