**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 10 02:59:59 2014 Jan 10 08:19:42 Hi, has anyone released a fix for freetype issue in webkit-efl ? Jan 10 08:21:41 or more commonly, is there a place where pending patches can be consulted ? Jan 10 08:51:25 good morning Jan 10 09:01:52 Hi Jan 10 09:42:18 morning all Jan 10 09:53:33 hey bluelightning Jan 10 09:53:43 hi koen Jan 10 09:55:00 hmmm Jan 10 09:55:15 getting dracut working on OE built systems is too easy Jan 10 09:55:34 the hardest bit was to install asciidoc from the tarball Jan 10 09:56:32 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W-Jtr1gJC5-ILk3ubK1DlWQRPqUCIkSS7Jkzq-SdlXI/edit# Jan 10 09:56:45 3.6M compressed Jan 10 09:57:04 I bet ant_work will be very amused at that :) Jan 10 10:16:32 koen: heh, I've embedded a core-image-base + its modules for fun, was slightly larger but you coluld do much more Jan 10 10:55:17 koen: exactly yesterday I've damned a bloody ssd firmware iso needing an old usb wired kb. It was just around 8M uncompressed. The fw are a few Kb... Jan 10 11:09:12 aiui you should be able to reflash it from inside linux as well Jan 10 11:23:29 morning all Jan 10 11:23:40 hi pb_ Jan 10 11:23:54 hi bluelightning Jan 10 12:54:54 heh, I see meta-perl is officially "Maintained". oh well. Jan 10 13:03:35 :/ I've checked the patchwork/meta-perl bundle and now all patches except 3 are marked as rejected Jan 10 13:09:59 JaMa: I marked the others as rejected FWIW, they weren't ready Jan 10 13:10:49 JaMa: pb_: I have emailed Hongxu in response to that pointing at the pending patch queue, he says he has no push access currently Jan 10 13:11:00 maybe I should offer to push the patches if he's happy with them... Jan 10 13:11:33 bluelightning: that does rather beg the question of how he can claim to be maintaining something that he doesn't have commit access to. Jan 10 13:12:13 pb_: that is a good question; he's not the only one though, I push patches on behalf of Andrea for meta-initramfs Jan 10 13:12:37 and/or why he didn't take any steps to do anything about it: he hasn't (afaik) asked for commit access, nor does he seem to have made any effort to set up a repo somewhere else that he could push to. Jan 10 13:12:49 so, that seems like a bit of a weak story. but anyway. Jan 10 13:13:19 I completely agree Jan 10 13:13:38 perhaps nobody spelled out the responsibilities of a maintainer; I don't think we have anything written down Jan 10 13:14:59 yes, that's a fair point, we probably don't. Jan 10 13:21:23 what should he do to request access these days? He is the maintainer, should he just send a request to Michael (who manages the infrastructure), or do we need to nominate him publicly still? Jan 10 13:22:01 well, I guess it's a bit complex with meta-perl being inside meta-oe Jan 10 13:22:12 if it was in its own repo, I would say just ask Michael and he should be all set. Jan 10 13:22:17 right Jan 10 13:22:28 but, if giving him access to meta-perl means he gets write access to the whole of meta-oe, I guess the other meta-oe maintainers need to be ok with that. Jan 10 13:22:35 right Jan 10 13:22:46 I wonder if gitosis provides for per-directory push access control Jan 10 13:23:24 er, I mean gitolite Jan 10 13:23:36 I don't think it can. Jan 10 13:23:49 afaik, you can restrict per-branch, but not per-subdirectory Jan 10 13:24:14 oh, actually, it seems you can since v3. Jan 10 13:24:32 http://gitolite.com/gitolite/vref.html#NAME Jan 10 13:25:29 we're using a much older version than that though Jan 10 13:25:49 ah Jan 10 13:28:10 nice, i didn't know that gitolite had support for that... quite neat. Jan 10 13:29:23 so, maybe the answer to the question at hand is that he should ask Michael to set up a new repo for meta-perl and then give him write access to it. afaik, there is no particular benefit in many layers sharing a single repo anyway. Jan 10 13:29:49 in fact, if you only wanted meta-perl, I can imagine it being a bit of a pain having to clone the whole of meta-oe, so perhaps a separate repo is better anyway. Jan 10 13:32:31 pb_: there has been pushback against doing that in the past... Jan 10 13:35:01 do you know why? Jan 10 13:35:06 (or from whom?) Jan 10 13:36:56 IIRC the context was a discussion on how to break up meta-oe into more consumable layers Jan 10 13:37:42 meta-oe is not allowed to depend upon layers outside of meta-openembedded (perhaps not even any other layers other than OE-Core, I forget what the exact rule was) Jan 10 13:38:02 outside of meta-openembedded and OE-Core, that is Jan 10 13:38:44 bluelightning: iirc some were ready, at least Hongxu said that they are in e-mail to me, but OK Jan 10 13:39:11 hm, right. and meta-oe wants to depend on meta-perl, I guess? Jan 10 13:39:28 pb_: bluelightning: I was talking with khem about his push access, he said (on ELCE) that it's already set and that he asked Hongxu to test it Jan 10 13:39:45 obviously if the rule is that meta-oe can't depend on anything other than oe-core then the question of where meta-perl goes would seem to be unrelated. Jan 10 13:40:20 pb_: I don't think that's the case yet; there are perl recipes in meta-oe that are depended upon by other non-perl recipes in meta-oe though Jan 10 13:40:26 nobody's proposed moving them however Jan 10 13:40:49 pb_: could be Jan 10 13:40:58 JaMa: ok, wasn't aware of that Jan 10 13:50:29 I'd go with splitting a collection of layers based on having trouble managing updates for releases Jan 10 13:50:37 and of course how dependencies work Jan 10 15:47:21 koen, sgw: regarding pulseaudio/speex thread. My change was over 5 years ago so. At that time we targetted armv5te hardware so no VFP. Jan 10 16:36:35 I'm building dora w/ bitbake 1.20, and I'm getting these: Jan 10 16:36:39 WARNING: Duplicate inclusion for /home/mhatle/git/oss/oe-core/meta/recipes-core/eglibc/eglibc-common.inc in /home/mhatle/git/oss/oe-core/meta/recipes-core/eglibc/eglibc-initial.inc Jan 10 16:36:57 anyone know if there is a fix for that scheduled to go into the dora branch? Jan 10 16:44:15 fray: check the ml, there was a discussion on that this week Jan 10 16:44:26 fray: robert said "NO!", RP and JaMa disagreed Jan 10 16:44:37 (I disagree as well, but I haven't bothered to email) Jan 10 16:45:22 ok, I missed the thread.. I'll look and comment as well.. thanks Jan 10 16:50:45 ahh thread is from this morning.. I hadn't read todays stuff.. Jan 10 16:54:26 that patch will be going into the branch ;-) Jan 10 16:56:12 ok Jan 10 16:57:12 * fray is working on applying the new changes to meta-selinux (dora first) then updating the master integration... Jan 10 17:27:50 grr, poxy bitbake-devel list is member posting only. Jan 10 17:27:52 * pb_ stabs mailman Jan 10 17:32:10 pb_: you should stab the spammers that make that option a requirement :( Jan 10 17:32:39 bluelightning: isn't that what we have spamassassin for? Jan 10 17:33:22 don't know, but I'm pretty sure the lists have had that option enabled for quite a while Jan 10 17:33:39 wow, andrei gherzan maintains 94 layers! Jan 10 17:33:51 he must surely be some kind of machine. Jan 10 17:34:48 bluelightning: yeah, probably. I don't think I've posted to that list for some time. Jan 10 17:34:59 possibly I even used to be subscribed to it once upon a time, I dunno. Jan 10 17:35:30 pb_: are you by chance coming to FOSDEM this year? Jan 10 17:36:02 bluelightning: what date is it this year? Jan 10 17:36:17 1 & 2 Feb Jan 10 17:37:06 that might be possible. I hadn't really thought about it, but I haven't been to a fosdem for several years now and it might be interesting. Jan 10 17:37:34 it seems like a good one for meeting up with OE folks Jan 10 17:37:39 I'll be in california the week after next but I think I fly home on the 25th or something. Jan 10 17:37:56 I'll have to conduct a delicate negotiation with my wife and see what she thinks. Jan 10 17:40:05 ok, fair enough Jan 10 17:40:21 I still haven't booked my tickets Jan 10 17:47:46 moin Jan 10 17:48:48 righto. I'll let you know if I plan on being there, anyway. Jan 10 17:49:17 I did take the girls there a couple of years ago. Jan 10 17:49:36 cool Jan 10 17:50:16 I did create a page on our wiki for the event FYI: http://openembedded.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2014 Jan 10 17:50:47 if anyone's going please put your name down in the appropriate section (or ask me and I can do it) Jan 10 17:53:08 do you know who else from team o{pi}e is planning to attend? Jan 10 17:53:36 I think Crofton|work is going Jan 10 17:54:29 is anyone going to SCaLE? Jan 10 17:55:41 I'm not, FWIW Jan 10 17:55:55 I don't even know what that is, so I guess I'm not. Jan 10 17:56:13 the socal linux expo in feb Jan 10 17:56:22 LA airport hilton Jan 10 17:56:24 ah Jan 10 17:56:34 if it was in northern california and in january then I might have done Jan 10 17:57:02 socal is not that far away... Jan 10 17:57:38 * mr_science has a dorm kid in northern california Jan 10 17:57:56 well, not from northern california, but in february I will be in Europe again. Jan 10 17:57:57 about a 10 hour drive... Jan 10 18:02:12 * pb_ checks eurostar prices for fosdem Jan 10 18:04:07 ... £65/person, not that awful I suppose. Jan 10 18:45:47 bluelightning, I'll add myslef later Jan 10 18:55:29 Crofton: thanks Jan 10 20:37:49 florian: are you going to FOSDEM this year? Jan 10 20:38:39 pb_: I plan to be there but I'm not 100% sure so far. Jan 10 20:53:11 florian: ah right, very good. it looks like I will be going this year as well. Jan 10 20:53:35 I'm going to bring the girls with me again since Ruth is quite keen to have another trip to Brussels. Jan 10 21:04:30 Good idea... Jan 10 21:05:13 I'm happy if I manage to go there at all... :) Jan 11 01:48:59 Anyone here into home automation? Jan 11 02:26:21 LarrySteeze: My chef recipes on the kids have been a miserable failure. And CPS isn't too fond when I tried using knife on them. :/ Jan 11 02:27:02 Uh...What? Jan 11 02:37:12 Chef is a server automation tool like Puppet. Knife is the application you use to interact with Chef. As to home automation, I have some X10 stuff in place for pool features and outdoor lighting. Jan 11 02:37:30 The newer stuff may work better, but it's so much more $. Jan 11 02:40:16 err. CPS is child protective services, which is what threw me off Jan 11 02:40:33 and the kids thing Jan 11 02:41:12 I was joking that automating the home by writing Chef recipes to control the kids was a miserable failure. Jan 11 02:41:13 I'm trying to get into it. got an insteon kit for christmas. It's been enough to convince me insteon is what I don't want to use Jan 11 02:41:21 Heh. Jan 11 02:41:31 I mean it works fine Jan 11 02:42:00 but the functionality out of the box is abysmal **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 11 02:59:58 2014