**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 19 02:59:58 2014 Mar 19 04:35:55 Hodapp: obviously i wimped out and used includes for the extra apps Mar 19 04:36:14 i should probably make some package groups... Mar 19 08:18:08 morning all Mar 19 08:22:29 morning Mar 19 08:23:17 upgrading to dora, and though I prefer systemd 204 it still chooses 208. any bitbake commands that can tell me why that decision is made? Mar 19 08:26:38 tasslehoff: does the 204 recipe actually exist in your tree? Mar 19 08:32:43 good morning Mar 19 08:34:38 koen: yes. I put it there myself :) Mar 19 08:34:52 koen: have to stay on 204 since I have 2.6.39 Mar 19 08:35:55 does bitbake give any output at the start? Mar 19 08:36:00 my goal now is to get 1.5 working with 2.6.39, then move on to 3.10. Mar 19 08:36:01 and give bitbake-layers a try Mar 19 08:40:08 koen: bitbake-layers lists 1:208+gitAUTOINC+255eb046a7 and 204 as alternatives. PREFERRED_VERSION_systemd = "204" in my machine.conf doesn't help. Mar 19 08:40:20 it worked on 1.4 Mar 19 08:41:41 koen: ah. angstrom-v2013.12.conf overrides Mar 19 09:42:38 morning all Mar 19 10:22:15 Hi Mar 19 11:41:11 I want to choose u-boot version "v2013.07+gitAUTOINC+62c175fbb8". What do I put in PREFERRED_VERSION? Mar 19 11:43:33 tasslehoff: PREFERRED_VERSION_u-boot = "v2013.07+git%" Mar 19 11:44:13 bluelightning: thanks. Mar 19 13:13:31 I have two recipes providing virtual/kernel. How do I choose one over the other? Mar 19 13:15:28 PREFERRED_PROVIDER? Mar 19 13:15:56 Crofton|work: that's what I thought, but it still does not like it Mar 19 13:16:11 hmm, that seems odd Mar 19 13:17:06 Crofton|work: I changed preferred provider from linux-sakoman to linux-yocto earlier today. Mar 19 13:17:15 any special cleanup I should do because of that? Mar 19 13:17:22 bot sure Mar 19 13:17:32 bitbake -ccleansstaet virtual/kernel ? Mar 19 13:17:48 tasslehoff: what do you mean by "does not like it" ? Mar 19 13:17:53 maybe both the kernel recipes Mar 19 13:18:59 bluelightning: I'll try to express myself better :) Mar 19 13:19:03 http://pastebin.com/rYKg7mVT Mar 19 13:19:19 tasslehoff: "This usually means one provides something the other doesn't and should." Mar 19 13:19:50 that is a (not very good, I'll admit) pointer as to where to start digging Mar 19 13:20:13 bluelightning: huh. now I see why it happens Mar 19 13:20:31 I tried "bitbake -c cleansstate virtual/kernel linux-sakoman" Mar 19 13:20:55 thus trying to clean two recipes providing virtual/kernel. user error once again. darn. Mar 19 13:28:31 what is the difference between inherit and include in bitbake? Mar 19 13:37:21 inherit refers to /.../classes/*.bbclass Mar 19 13:37:59 matt10: classes/*.bbclass along BBPATH, to be precise Mar 19 14:20:25 is there a way to make bitbake display a completely pre-processed recipe? like, expand all inheritance and variables so that it no longer depends on any other files? (pretty much like gcc -E for C preprocessing)? Mar 19 14:21:17 bitbake -e Mar 19 14:21:17 i find it very tiresome as a bitbake/OE beginner to traverse the many many layers of inheritance in oe-core just to understand how things work Mar 19 14:21:45 bitbake -e vim &>my_log Mar 19 14:24:50 ah, thank you Mar 19 14:43:42 Anyone have inclination on the right way & place to trim files from an initramfs image Mar 19 14:46:11 For example, I want udev, but don't need the hw .db's, and for some reason it is pulling in the kernel to /boot where that is entirely unneeded on an initramfs Mar 19 15:04:01 Looks like I found it in an IRC log from 2012-11-12 thanks to bluelightning Mar 19 15:16:38 The answer, for those looking in the future: ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND Mar 19 15:38:18 reading the bitbake "design goals", it says: "Be Linux distribution agnostic for both build and target systems.". Does this mean bitbake shall never use any host tools it did not build itself? if so, is that not more a design goal of openembedded, rather than bitbake? Mar 19 15:39:14 WarheadsSE, working on OE layer for archlinux ARM? Mar 19 15:45:34 it'd be impossible to only use host tools it builds itself, as its impossible to build anything without a toolchain Mar 19 15:46:28 bitbake requires python Mar 19 15:46:51 you'll also need chrpath if I remember Mar 19 15:47:36 hmm, trying out Yocto now Mar 19 15:47:46 it bitched at me that ArchLinux was not an approved build platform Mar 19 15:47:47 oh well Mar 19 15:50:04 it's a warning indicating that it hasn't been officially tested there, it doesn't mean there aren't devs that use it, or that it doesn't work Mar 19 15:50:36 yeah, I was interpreting a bit :P Mar 19 15:50:52 this laptop is scaring me a little. I am getting segfaults during builds sometimes Mar 19 15:54:44 Hodapp: I use AL, but not for OE. (I have tried it, but here and there are on-again-off-again problems). Now I use a docker setup for this. Mar 19 15:55:33 docker? Mar 19 15:55:56 nice, i keep meaning to try using a docker setup, still using a chroot with schroot myself Mar 19 15:56:00 one of these days Mar 19 16:00:03 kergoth: yes this was my long-term setup, but now i'm able to suspend the build-container and resume it on another computer. Mar 19 16:00:22 Hodapp: https://www.docker.io/ Mar 19 16:01:41 ooh... Mar 19 16:13:33 silviof: so, you did basically a build environment inside of Docker and you do things from inside there? Mar 19 16:14:03 silviof: and this is sufficiently close to what OE needs in order to build? Mar 19 16:15:05 Hodapp: yes - docker is a interface for lxc containers. in the containers you "run" another distry like ubuntu, debian etc Mar 19 16:15:21 iiiiiinteresting. Mar 19 16:16:30 Hodapp: the advantage to a chroot or VM or docker is having an unchanging fixed host environment, potentially known-sane, avoiding differences between hosts potentially impacting the build (in theory it shouldn't, but in reality host contamination is always a possibility) Mar 19 16:16:37 quite nice to use something of the sort Mar 19 16:17:13 and it looks like, being LXC, it's still plenty lightweight Mar 19 16:17:43 docker being able to check in changes, source control for your container, as well as easy ways to share your images, is pretty awesome Mar 19 16:17:48 among other features Mar 19 16:18:23 I'm gonna check it out soon Mar 19 16:18:27 silviof: question, do you enter your container and run your editor, etc from there, or do you share disk in some fashion to do your development outside the container but builds inside? Mar 19 16:22:39 kergoth: I go two ways. For boards "not-from-us" are use a closed container without sharing pathes etc. For our boards I use shared pathes with host computer. Mar 19 16:23:10 kergoth: not-from-us boards like wandboard etc Mar 19 16:23:32 ah, interesting Mar 19 16:23:44 mago_: oh hell no Mar 19 16:23:48 $dayhob Mar 19 16:24:30 Hodapp: silviof https://bitbucket.org/WarheadsSE/dockbake Mar 19 16:24:54 built that for here at work Mar 19 16:26:24 WarheadsSE: ah nice - i will look into that Mar 19 16:27:09 might not fit your needs exactly, as it isolates the host, but uses mounts from the host filesystem to handle multiple configurations in an identical-inside-container environment Mar 19 16:27:41 prevents/reduces host pollution, mitigates mis-configuration & setup issues from machine to machine Mar 19 16:29:41 I also had patches merged to docker to have the ability to hard-set the docker bridge interface IP range, since their first choice breaks the piss out of Cisco VPN Mar 19 16:29:59 yeah, I can see this being really useful Mar 19 16:30:42 Note: it discards the container immediately after exit, because the container is not the location of stored information, but rather the host mounts Mar 19 16:57:15 zibri, still at axis ? are you up for lunch again soon ? Mar 19 16:58:04 kroon: yup! lunch sounds good. :) Mar 19 17:05:44 zibri, great Mar 19 17:49:16 offtopic but let me grunt.. firefox + facebook, 40% cpu usage on my lap :-/ Mar 19 17:49:35 wtf Mar 19 17:50:06 slows down my OE build Mar 19 19:03:05 Is there a way to run PyQt without x11 installed, run o Qt Embedded? Mar 19 21:25:15 kroon: holy crapola. Mar 19 21:33:28 * mr_science wonders who built that firefox Mar 19 21:34:51 mr_science: probably ubuntu Mar 19 21:35:25 not the happiest with ubuntu since about version 8 or so Mar 19 21:35:48 not an ubuntu man myself, but whatev's Mar 19 21:36:05 it just breaks more than i like... Mar 19 21:36:44 plus debian works well for me when i need something besides gentoo Mar 19 21:37:21 * mr_science needs to get back to making pseudo work on gentoo amd64/multlib Mar 19 21:37:34 *multilib even Mar 19 21:38:48 personally, i think gentoo makes the best developer distro Mar 20 02:38:01 hello, could someone suggest a reading src - i'd like to understand binwalk firmware-headers squashfs etc Mar 20 02:39:12 this channel is for a specific project, not general embedded linux **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 20 02:59:58 2014