**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 06 02:59:58 2014
May 06 03:39:23 <nerdboy> if i wasn't married so long i might not recognize that sometimes talking with other <cough> gentoo </cough> developers is kinda like arguing with your spouse...
May 06 03:39:36 <nerdboy> <rim-shot>
May 06 03:53:08 <nerdboy> come on, that wasn't bad...
May 06 04:38:02 <nerdboy> <sigh>
May 06 05:30:15 <koen> heh
May 06 05:30:38 <koen> mass email with everyone in TO: and the sender has a .sig that uses comic sans
May 06 05:30:58 <koen> it's a miracle that the spamfilter let it through
May 06 05:41:09 <JaMa> heh how to use mutt sidebar on chromebook? ^N always opens new chrome window instead of next.. :)
May 06 07:42:58 <mckoan> good morning
May 06 08:55:19 <bluelightning> morning all
May 06 08:55:32 <kroon> bluelightning, morning
May 06 08:55:46 <bluelightning> hi kroon
May 06 08:56:10 <mckoan> hi bluelightning, kroon, all
May 06 08:56:20 <bluelightning> hi mckoan
May 06 09:01:36 * nerdboy going to bed...
May 06 09:01:50 <nerdboy> bluelightning: did you notice the layer index?
May 06 09:02:17 <bluelightning> nerdboy: er... no - what about it?
May 06 09:02:35 <nerdboy> maybe not the best name, but meta-alt-desktop-extras is on there now
May 06 09:03:13 <bluelightning> nerdboy: right yes - I published it ;)
May 06 09:03:20 <bluelightning> thanks for submitting
May 06 09:04:35 <nerdboy> coulda told me that part...
May 06 09:05:01 <bluelightning> I thought I did during OEDAM
May 06 09:05:17 <nerdboy> tomorrow i should have a laptop i can build on
May 06 09:05:34 <nerdboy> that part about you being the filter?
May 06 09:05:46 <nerdboy> i don't remember that...
May 06 09:06:11 <nerdboy> if you did i didn't notice...
May 06 09:06:55 <nerdboy> think i'll build daisy on it
May 06 09:07:09 <nerdboy> anyway, nighty night...
May 06 09:11:35 <bluelightning> it's a group of us (mostly TSC members) that publish layers
May 06 09:11:53 <bluelightning> FYI we don't generally look at the content, just that entries aren't spam and have filled in the fields correctly
May 06 09:40:08 <mago_> i'm trying to create an image recipe which just adds another application to core-image-minimal. So I started from recipes-core/images/core-minimal-mtdutils.bb and just changed the IMAGE_INSTALL += .. statement in my copy. However, when  I try to build it, there's an error saying it was unable toCould not inherit file classes/rootfs_${IMAGE_PKGTYPE}.bbclass 
May 06 09:40:51 <mago_> is it actually trying to include rootfs_${IMAGE_PKGTYPE}.bbclass, or is it trying to expand the contents of ${IMAGE_PKGTYPE} before accessing the actual file?
May 06 09:42:38 <bluelightning> mago_: what is your PACKAGE_CLASSES variable set to?
May 06 09:49:51 <mago_> weird, i can't seem to build any image right now (results in the same error). perhaps HOB screwed my configs, I tried running it earlier
May 06 09:50:27 <mago_> even bitbake core-image-minimal gives me the inheritance error
May 06 09:51:04 <mago_> bluelightning, how can I tell what PACKAGE_CLASSES is when all bitbake commands i try (even -e) results in the error?
May 06 10:00:28 <mago_> hob seems to have ruined my oe-core layer by commenting out several lines in defaultsetup.conf, including PACKAGE_CLASSES
May 06 10:01:45 <bluelightning> mago_: hob shouldn't touch defaultsetup.conf...
May 06 10:02:02 <bluelightning> it will edit your local.conf, but you can easily change that back
May 06 10:03:33 <mago_> well, it did :)
May 06 10:12:34 <bluelightning> mago_: could you pastebin a "git diff" for me?
May 06 10:26:59 <bluelightning> in any case, the reason you are getting an error about IMAGE_PKGTYPE is because that's not being set, and the only reason that would not have been set is PACKAGE_CLASSES is not set or set incorrectly
May 06 10:54:23 <mago_> bluelightning, http://pastebin.com/fV9rcBN4 
May 06 10:55:20 <bluelightning> mago_: which version of the build system were you using when you ran Hob?
May 06 10:58:41 <mago_> dora
May 06 11:03:21 <mago_> anyway, i reset my oe-core dir and now everything works
May 06 11:42:53 <rogue2> anyone here have any strange issues surrounding implicid casts from double to float with the new hardfp situation?
May 06 11:43:18 <pompomJuice> Seems like it does not like negative values
May 06 11:45:43 <pompomJuice> or
May 06 11:46:24 <pompomJuice> how can I disable the hardfp tune for certain recipies... would really help if I could figure that out.
May 06 11:55:15 <koen> pompomJuice: you do realize that turning it off makes it binary incompatible, right?
May 06 11:55:27 <koen> pompomJuice: it won't link nor run
May 06 12:16:38 <mckoan> I sent an email to ML about Upgrade to a package with all its dependency without network
May 06 12:17:17 <mckoan> I expected a bit of interest, but seems that is a problem never considered
May 06 12:18:36 <mckoan> any comment on it?
May 06 12:21:29 <bluelightning> mckoan: so without a network connection, what mechanism do you plan on using to get the packages to the target?
May 06 12:26:36 <mckoan> bluelightning: probably the only availabe will be a USB disk
May 06 12:45:00 <bluelightning> mckoan: how about a huge USB disk with all package feeds on it then?
May 06 12:58:48 <mckoan> bluelightning: the preferred way is to deploy only the modified packages and dependencies
May 06 12:59:06 <bluelightning> mckoan: having the entire feeds on there wouldn't prevent that
May 06 12:59:25 <bluelightning> it's still up to opkg what to upgrade
May 06 12:59:41 <bluelightning> which is controlled by how you build and manage your feeds - which you need to do anyway
May 06 13:00:42 <mckoan> bluelightning: your observations are correct, I had already thought
May 06 14:09:26 <pompomJuice> koen: That recipy that I want disabled is a recipy for an in house c++ app that communicates with the DSP. It does not link to the outside world at all. Surely it will run then as the kernel does not care about hard float ?
May 06 14:14:57 <bluelightning> lumag: hey - I see you had some discussions upstream re libgpg-error and the new cross-compilation-breaking changes in 1.13 - any suggestions on how we should handle the change?
May 06 14:46:58 <nerdboy> arr
May 06 14:47:19 <kergoth> meh
May 06 16:05:46 <fray> hello, I think today was the regularly schedule OE-TSC meeting, but I think we may have all forgotten.. :/
May 06 16:06:02 <fray> (I know a number of the members are in various meetings right now as well, myself included)
May 06 16:06:13 <bluelightning> yes, my apologies
May 06 16:06:31 <bluelightning> koen: khem: are you guys around?
May 06 16:07:00 <fray> I'm wonder if we should postpone until next week to give people information to join..
May 06 16:07:10 <bluelightning> I'd go along with that
May 06 16:07:49 <bluelightning> to be honest we might want to look at whether this is an ideal time for everyone to be around
May 06 16:08:08 <fray> it "used to be".. it's gotten worse recently (at least for me)
May 06 16:08:26 <Jefro> "first tuesday" was an arbitrary selection, it can be anytime
May 06 16:08:32 <Jefro> but it should be notified, and we didn't do that this week
May 06 16:08:54 <nerdboy> too much fun last week?
May 06 16:09:00 <bluelightning> Jefro: indeed on both counts; I was thinking also of the time i.e. would one or two hours later be any better?
May 06 16:09:11 <fray> ELC, OEDAM and just general preparing for YP 1.7 has gotten in the way for me
May 06 16:09:22 <bluelightning> RP ^
May 06 16:09:34 <Jefro> bluelightning I'm pretty flexible, but 1-2 hrs later gets pretty late for eastern EU
May 06 16:09:51 <Jefro> it might be good to stagger the times to better include Asia at some point
May 06 16:09:56 <fray> 1:30 layer or 2+ hours earlier is much better for me
May 06 16:11:15 <Jefro> let's coordinate for 1-2 hrs later a week from today, and I'll take the action to announce it on the list when a time is fixed
May 06 16:11:53 <fray> I'm fine with that.. hopefully that works for Khem and Koen as well..
May 06 16:13:00 <fray> ok.. so I'm going to declare lack of quorum of the TSC members, and push the meeting to next week.. w/ Jefro taking the action to announce it (and reschedule if later doesn't work)
May 06 16:14:41 * Jefro +1
May 06 16:14:45 <bluelightning> +1
May 06 16:15:15 <fray> ok sounds like a plan.. apologies for anyone expecting an oe-tsc meeting today.. if you have anything that needs to be discussed let us know..
May 06 16:31:19 <kergoth> Has anyone else looked at creating a samba4 recipe yet? Started working on it, still a ways to go though
May 06 16:32:27 * nerdboy would like to say that about kergoth but i guess that will have to wait...
May 06 16:35:55 * koen looks in
May 06 16:36:57 * kroon wonders if he should a file a bug about the thing with rm_work.class not removing the workdirs for nativesdk-*
May 06 16:38:45 <RP> kroon: the dilemma is that if you run bitbake nativesdk-X it will...
May 06 16:38:59 <RP> kroon: its the use of -c that causes the issue :/
May 06 16:39:22 <kroon> RP, yeah..
May 06 16:39:53 <RP> bluelightning, fray, Jefro: sorry, lost track of time :(
May 06 16:40:48 <fray> np
May 06 16:43:59 <kroon> RP, do you think it's something you would like to solve in the long run ? If so I could at least file bug for tracking ideas
May 06 16:44:59 * kroon is a little brain-damaged from projects where keeping the number of filed bugs down was important..
May 06 16:45:02 <RP> kroon: feel free to file it, its a valid thin to try and fix
May 06 16:45:38 <RP> kroon: I get shouted at over bug numbers unfortunately but if its valid it should be filed
May 06 16:46:01 <bluelightning> kergoth: I think "volker" was talking about that last week
May 06 16:46:04 <bluelightning> (samba 4)
May 06 16:46:12 <nerdboy> kroon: are away from that now?
May 06 16:46:19 <nerdboy> *you even
May 06 16:46:21 <kergoth> yeah, thats what got me messing with it, the fact that we don't have it is a bit of a weird oversight, 4 has been around a while now
May 06 16:46:49 <nerdboy> that's carzy talk
May 06 16:47:15 * nerdboy slams his finger in the keyboard drawer 
May 06 16:47:23 <nerdboy> *crazy talk
May 06 16:48:40 <bluelightning> are people making use of samba 4 in commercial products, or has the licensing driven them to "alternatives"? (although I'm not sure what those alternatives would be)
May 06 16:49:16 <kergoth> that's a good point, gplv3 is a concern
May 06 16:49:27 * kergoth has no idea
May 06 16:49:37 <kroon> RP, ok, I'll file one then
May 06 16:49:45 <fray> I know of commerical products that do.. but htey are -very- careful of GPL compliance
May 06 16:49:49 <bluelightning> I just suspect that's one reason why our samba recipes haven't seen much activity
May 06 16:49:58 <bluelightning> even our samba 3 recipe is quite old
May 06 16:50:18 <fray> yup
May 06 16:50:25 <bluelightning> I mean, that's no reason why we *can't* update them, just might be why we haven't done much so far
May 06 16:50:25 <kergoth> makes sense, thanks, I didn't think about that
May 06 16:50:29 * kergoth nods
May 06 16:50:59 <nerdboy> looks like samba-3.6.23 is latest here, with samba-4* still hard-masked
May 06 17:07:56 <woglinde> hi
May 06 17:08:33 <nerdboy> ahoy
May 06 17:08:36 <woglinde> hm perf recipe is really broken
May 06 17:08:55 <woglinde> besides the shell compare missing space
May 06 17:09:08 <woglinde> it should be repackaged
May 06 17:09:29 <woglinde> let see what I can come up with
May 06 17:12:14 <bluelightning> woglinde: there has been quite a lot of back-and-forth on that recipe since it was split out of the kernel, so I hope it isn't too broken...
May 06 17:13:58 <woglinde> bluelightning *g*
May 06 17:14:06 <woglinde> do_install is  broken for some time
May 06 17:14:14 <Crofton> JaMa, naked ping
May 06 17:14:24 <bluelightning> woglinde: define "broken" ...
May 06 17:14:34 <woglinde> but my idea is to compile it with all features and make seperate packages
May 06 17:14:41 <woglinde> for perl and python scripts
May 06 17:14:49 <woglinde> so you can run perf top
May 06 17:14:55 <woglinde> without installing all the hassle
May 06 17:15:10 <woglinde> besides its a wish and task from zecke
May 06 17:15:11 <woglinde> *g*
May 06 17:15:32 <kergoth> sounds like a nice idea
May 06 17:15:42 <woglinde> bl famous shell comparsion error
May 06 17:15:53 <woglinde> I traped into a couple of times myself
May 06 17:15:54 <woglinde> [ "${@perf_feature_enabled('perf-scripting', 1, 0, d)}" = "1" -a $(grep install-python_ext ${S}/tools/perf/Makefile) = "0"]
May 06 17:16:04 <woglinde> missing space at the last ]
May 06 17:16:12 <JaMa> Crofton: pong
May 06 17:17:04 <nerdboy> heh, bash bugs...
May 06 17:17:17 <woglinde> do we need a scanner for the logfiles to scan for typical shell errors?
May 06 17:18:05 <woglinde> kergoth first I should do it for master and than propose the change to daisy and dora right?
May 06 17:18:18 <kergoth> yep
May 06 17:18:36 <bluelightning> woglinde: set -e is going to be a bit more effective for catching those I would have thought
May 06 17:19:31 <woglinde> any with my changes the test is not necessary anymore
May 06 17:19:37 <woglinde> ups any way
May 06 17:20:33 <Crofton> JaMa, you still in Santa Clara?
May 06 17:21:07 <Crofton> are you at: Friday May 9: 5150 Great America Pkwy, Santa Clara, CA (LG) 11:30 - 1:30pm
May 06 17:21:09 <bluelightning> woglinde: well, perf isn't my area of expertise but I think we'd welcome fixes and improved flexibility
May 06 17:21:45 <bluelightning> woglinde: bit of a shame nobody noticed that test was broken before now though :(
May 06 17:21:58 * nerdboy guesses JaMa is gokarting
May 06 17:22:22 <woglinde> bl nor is it mine but I got the task
May 06 17:24:30 <JaMa> Crofton: I'm today, but not on Fri
May 06 17:24:35 <Crofton> bummer
May 06 17:24:43 <JaMa> flying back today afternoon
May 06 17:24:46 <Crofton> is that the office you are at?
May 06 17:24:51 <JaMa> yes
May 06 17:24:57 <Crofton> cool
May 06 17:25:04 <Crofton> we went to a truck there once before
May 06 17:25:16 <JaMa> food truck?
May 06 17:25:21 <Crofton> yeah
May 06 17:25:28 <khem> oh I can come too :)
May 06 17:25:38 <JaMa> nerdboy: maybe on my way to airport if I leave early enough
May 06 17:25:44 <Crofton> need to check the veg options
May 06 17:25:48 <khem> JaMa: when is your flight
May 06 17:25:57 <JaMa> 19:sth
May 06 17:26:02 <khem> Crofton: I am not veg, I just prefer it
May 06 17:26:38 <Crofton> ah
May 06 17:26:39 <Crofton> OK
May 06 17:27:38 <Crofton> we are planning to go on Friday
May 06 17:28:21 <khem> Crofton: lets give a send off lunch to JaMa 
May 06 17:28:48 <JaMa> thanks but I already have one from eatclub :)
May 06 17:28:51 <Crofton> I'll need a ride :)
May 06 17:29:01 <Crofton> what is eatclub?
May 06 17:29:08 <Crofton> or you going more cookies at subway
May 06 17:29:36 <khem> subway is good for me 
May 06 17:29:41 <khem> find one I can give you a ride
May 06 17:30:38 <JaMa> https://www.myeatclub.com/menu/
May 06 17:31:09 <JaMa> cookies from subway are great, I'm taking 9pack with me to home, I hope they will last :)
May 06 17:31:28 <fray> HAHAHA
May 06 17:32:32 <nerdboy> and i wondered what they feed him in the Czech Republic...
May 06 17:32:37 <JaMa> 9pack is better than 6pack right? ;)
May 06 17:32:40 <nerdboy> now we know the secret...
May 06 17:32:42 <khem> radlers
May 06 17:33:40 <nerdboy> damn, now i have to try the subway cookies
May 06 17:33:41 <Jefro> it is 3 better
May 06 17:34:08 <Jefro> togos cookies & brownies were a big hit at OEDAM
May 06 17:34:33 <woglinde> lol
May 06 17:35:02 <khem> and cheese pizza
May 06 17:35:04 <nerdboy> can't go wrong with good cookies...
May 06 17:35:12 <nerdboy> or pizza
May 06 17:36:54 * nerdboy even recruited another gentoo dev to do yocto
May 06 17:37:10 <nerdboy> consider it partial payment for the cookies
May 06 17:38:08 <JaMa> :)
May 06 17:40:41 <nerdboy> so, i can't even get a groan out of a gentoo dev joke, but cookies make him smile...
May 06 17:40:58 * nerdboy learning trade secrets
May 06 18:44:47 <khem> Crofton JaMa you guys up for lunch 
May 06 18:44:57 <khem> I have to be in a meeting by 1p
May 06 18:48:23 <nerdboy> don't forget the cookies...
May 06 18:48:34 <Crofton> I'm out
May 06 18:48:46 <Crofton> need to fix a merge
May 06 18:49:14 * JaMa also busy finishing some issues before leaving the office
May 06 18:52:48 * nerdboy is used to the Air Force
May 06 18:53:49 <nerdboy> they would make sure JaMa got his "going-away" lunch with cookies
May 06 18:54:07 <nerdboy> it might have been two weeks ago, but hey...
May 06 18:57:13 <nerdboy> they'd also give you a plaque and make you go to Jocko's for the 14 kg bbq'd pork chop
May 06 18:57:28 <nerdboy> don't ask...
May 06 18:57:47 <JaMa> AF1? :)
May 06 18:59:52 <nerdboy> http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/280/1227286/restaurant/Santa-Maria/Jockos-Steak-House-Nipomo
May 06 19:01:51 <sr105> Using the latest master of oe-core, I'm getting this error while configuring gcc-runtime_4.9: "checking dynamic linker characteristics... configure: error: Link tests are not allowed after GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES". Some googling seems to indicate that perhaps a working compiler and libc are not present.
May 06 19:03:39 <khem> sr105: 
May 06 19:03:44 <khem> did you use contrib branch ?
May 06 19:07:40 <sr105> I'm actually using yocto/poky, but I checked that there's no difference between the gcc/ recipe folders in that and oe-core
May 06 19:07:46 <sr105> master
May 06 19:08:02 <sr105> http://pastebin.com/WVRRfAbz
May 06 19:08:43 <sr105> My experience with OE is that these issues are usually solved by cleansstate and re-install of a dependency
May 06 19:08:59 <sr105> I started with an empty TMPDIR
May 06 19:12:25 <khem> sr105: try to apply http://patches.openembedded.org/patch/71573/
May 06 19:13:46 <sr105> ok, sec
May 06 19:16:44 <sr105> That patch (currently running) seems to have changed my gcc-cross-initial version
May 06 19:16:59 <sr105> downgraded from 4.9 to 4.8.2
May 06 19:20:25 <khem> sr105: yes thats expected
May 06 19:20:32 <khem> so we have added gcc 4.9 recipes 
May 06 19:20:43 <khem> but havent switched defaults to use 4.9 _yet_
May 06 19:20:53 <khem> we have few issues with fsl/ppc platforms
May 06 19:20:55 <sr105> I think I understand
May 06 19:21:28 <sr105> I'm just waiting on the compiles of gcc-initial, libgcc, eglibc, ?, ...
May 06 19:30:51 <sr105> khem: problem fixed, thank you.
May 06 19:30:57 <khem> np
May 06 21:14:05 <kroon> JaMa, just saw your State of bitbake world mail, and noticed that console-tools is still listed as having a floating dep. on flex. I thought I fixed that in 69a7c9345360b61ed ...
May 06 21:17:12 <JaMa> kroon: thanks, I'll include this one in jansa/daisy-backports branch, the build with oe-core/daisy+known fixes + meta-oe/master
May 06 21:19:23 <kroon> JaMa, oh. so the build system that produced the results listed in the mail did not include the above commit ?
May 06 21:33:36 <JaMa> kroon: correct
May 06 21:44:05 <sr105> I'm seeing quite a few configure errors in recipes since updating to master in meta-openembedded and poky. They all seem to be related to configure files not being created or autogenerated files missing.
May 06 21:45:53 <JaMa> sr105: see the e-mails about autotools-brokensep and B!=S
May 06 21:51:15 <sr105> JaMa: found them. Funny enough, I was looking online for list archives and then remembered that I'm subscribed to the list. I just don't read them.
May 06 21:52:06 <nerdboy> <sigh>
May 06 21:59:18 <sr105> JaMa: thanks for the pointer adding "-brokensep" to all of the recipes seems to be working.
May 06 22:00:09 <sr105> nerdboy: if you were sighing about me not reading the e-mails... it's just too much traffic for something that is only one part of my job
May 06 22:05:18 <nerdboy> no, i got a blocking bug that's annoying me
May 06 22:05:18 <nerdboy> on gentoo bugzilla
May 06 22:07:06 <sr105> ah
May 06 22:13:52 * nerdboy hums Big Ugly Wheels
May 06 22:27:11 * JaMa waves
May 06 22:27:45 <nerdboy> have a nice, if long and boring, flight...
May 07 01:18:50 <khem> I have a variable defined in env and I whitelist it for bitbake it does not show up in recipe metadata scope on parsing 
May 07 01:19:02 <khem> is there something different way of doing it
May 07 01:19:43 <nerdboy> not that i know of...
May 07 01:19:52 <nerdboy> not sure i tried lately
May 07 01:32:58 <khem> ah I see the problem
May 07 01:33:01 <khem> nevermind
May 07 01:34:36 <khem> sometimes Rubber duck debugging helps
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