**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 02 02:59:59 2014 Sep 02 07:26:10 good morning Sep 02 07:39:42 hi mckoan Sep 02 07:40:23 RP: khem: I have finally teached klcc about --sysroot. Huge doubts about the perl-line I've added, though Sep 02 07:40:36 it happens to work anyway Sep 02 07:40:41 hi woglinde Sep 02 07:41:15 argh...s/teached/tought/ ... Sep 02 07:41:19 * ant_work -> coffee Sep 02 07:41:28 hi ant Sep 02 07:42:02 woglinde: you are surely in the position of reviewing that patch Sep 02 07:42:17 (I was inspired by your old -isystem patch) Sep 02 07:43:58 * ant_work can't understand people saying english is 'so an easy' language Sep 02 07:44:18 sigh.. s/tought/taught/ Sep 02 07:44:20 :p Sep 02 07:46:58 ant_work: I think its a comparatively easy language to make yourself understood in, the details are interesting though :) Sep 02 07:47:36 It continues to amaze me how different people can speak English and have such large communication problems (American verses British for example) Sep 02 07:49:42 I admit I had much more difficulties learning German Sep 02 07:50:02 or to properly write french Sep 02 07:50:40 (neither is Italian easy for foreigners) Sep 02 07:51:17 * RP was taught French and German but has forgotten most of it now :( Sep 02 07:51:20 still, there are crazy people (LibreOffice) translating the function names... Sep 02 07:51:35 I deeply hate that ;) Sep 02 08:02:03 * woglinde will try to speak german with rp next time haha Sep 02 08:14:21 woglinde: it may be a short conversation ;-) Sep 02 08:19:44 rp will you attend the ELCE? Sep 02 08:22:02 bonjour Sep 02 08:22:24 as you are discussing languages Sep 02 08:23:20 ant_work: there are many countries which say that their language is hard for foreigners. in Poland you can often hear that Polish is harder to master than Chinese Sep 02 08:24:07 oh, right..I forgot Polish ;) Sep 02 08:24:11 woglinde: I'm hoping to Sep 02 08:24:44 should I enter this discussion? :) Sep 02 08:24:56 does Babel-Tower ring any bell? Sep 02 08:27:31 suihkulokki: in Tampere I told tbr that I knew 2 Finnish words. one polite and one not. Now I know 3. Sep 02 08:27:45 :) Sep 02 08:28:40 ant_work: anyway when it comes to English there are few things to rememeber. Sep 02 08:29:40 ant_work: 1. there are so many variants of English that you do not have to be obsessive about grammar. "teached" is fine then (American English has simplified grammar) Sep 02 08:30:43 ant_work: 2. try to speak with non-natives rather with natives. They will have better pronounciation and would use more common dictionary than natives. Sep 02 08:31:33 ant_work: and when it comes to natives - speak with RP. even my wife told that his spoken English is easy to understand Sep 02 08:32:19 doh...I feel like in my youth I've spent couple of summers in Edinbourgh and Oxford for nothing ;) Sep 02 08:32:39 ant_work: once you master some level in English you will be ready for making it more strict. Sep 02 08:32:46 that's my view of learning English Sep 02 08:33:18 Edinbourgh? do they speak English there? according to some videos from XorA they do not ;D Sep 02 08:33:36 hrw: they can talk with closed mouth Sep 02 08:33:55 hrw: the scary thing being my native accent/dialiect should be impenetrable Sep 02 08:34:20 somehow I just haven't picked it up though (Geordie) Sep 02 08:35:21 RP: when I told someone once that I have a friend around Newcastle whom I am able to understand speaking I got something like "isn't he imported?" Sep 02 08:35:48 hrw: sounds about right. Nobody believes I'm a native Sep 02 08:36:25 RP: finally all is well if bitbake parser can swallow it Sep 02 08:37:08 RP: :D Sep 02 08:37:15 morning all Sep 02 08:37:48 hi Paul Sep 02 08:41:37 morning bluelightning Sep 02 08:45:50 hi bl Sep 02 08:52:49 hi bluelightning, hrw, all Sep 02 08:58:35 hi RP, woglinde, hrw, mckoan Sep 02 10:04:39 which hotel are you staying in Dusseldorf? Sep 02 10:14:12 oO( in the full one ) Sep 02 10:21:42 which one is the full one? Sep 02 10:23:55 radisson Sep 02 10:24:28 ah. cool. same for me ;-) Sep 02 10:26:56 * LetoThe2nd hi5es ndec Sep 02 10:31:57 LetoThe2nd: rich guy Sep 02 10:32:50 mckoan: good boss :) Sep 02 10:34:08 LetoThe2nd: I should change company Sep 02 10:34:19 hrhr Sep 02 10:35:22 mckoan: but yeah, he also gave me the looks. in comparison to edinburgh, we're two employees going now instead of one, but the costs have tripled. Sep 02 10:53:51 hm I still need to make my travel plan Sep 02 10:53:57 for the company Sep 02 10:54:03 I should do it this week Sep 02 11:08:58 ensc|w_: doews dietlibc recognize --sysroot ? Sep 02 11:14:34 ant nope Sep 02 11:14:45 hm btw. Sep 02 11:14:46 maybee Sep 02 11:14:55 look at the diet wrapper Sep 02 11:15:42 my doubt is whether it should pass it as @ccopt or as @libs Sep 02 11:16:33 (to the klcc wrapper, that is) Sep 02 11:16:58 dietlibc must be doing similarly Sep 02 11:19:53 yes Sep 02 11:20:00 but its writte in c Sep 02 11:20:45 I don't see 'sysroot' in diet.c Sep 02 11:22:19 I'm rather bored fixing klibc breakages after toolchain changes...I hope musl will be the solution for -static as well Sep 02 11:23:10 I'm not toolchain-guy so I feel like playing with a black-box ;) Sep 02 11:29:10 ant_work yes yes diet do not handle it directly Sep 02 18:15:05 hmm, looks like updating to qwt-6.1 solves the stripping issue and the need for some pacthing Sep 02 18:16:21 hmm, no complete fail :) Sep 02 18:22:01 I am dveloping hatred for qwt Sep 02 20:14:56 anyone know why alsa-lib cn't make shared and static libraries at the same time? Sep 02 20:46:56 anyone have any experience building alsa-utils as a static lib (libasound.a)? Sep 02 23:20:28 ok, the recipe for alsa-lib builds the shared library. ALSA can only build either shared OR static. So they need to be configured completely differently to support both building .so and .a. I'm trying to figure out an easy way to do both. Sep 02 23:21:16 I tried a separate recipe, but they come from the same tarball, and changing the recipe name is confusing the system. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 03 02:59:59 2014