**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 12 02:59:59 2015 May 12 08:01:28 morning all May 12 08:02:59 bluelightning: morning May 12 08:03:06 hi nrossi May 12 08:17:58 hi bl and nrossi May 12 08:20:51 hi woglinde May 12 08:23:06 hi woglinde May 12 08:45:18 morning! May 12 12:02:28 is there a web API to search all git.yoctoproject.org recipes? May 12 12:26:24 pompomJuice: not exactly what you want, but there is http://layers.openembedded.org/ May 12 12:26:43 checking... May 12 12:27:00 yea that looks meaty... May 12 12:27:08 :-) May 12 12:27:28 it works! May 12 12:27:34 thats perfect man thanks. What a gem May 12 12:27:40 yw May 12 14:07:31 Why is there an initscripts package installed on my device? What part of oe adds that and why? I am using systemd? May 12 14:11:44 meh, documentation says I must select system, not just add it to the image. May 12 16:54:28 bluelightning, ping? May 12 16:54:38 hi ka6sox May 12 16:54:53 hi, the reason we don't have a spam issue with the ML is that its subscriber based May 12 16:55:14 yeah, I get that May 12 16:55:36 patchwork having a email addy that is not something that has pre-filtering is going to be a NIGHTMARE..you will never keep it clean and the bot isn't smart enough to deal with it. May 12 16:56:03 bot in this case is patchwork. May 12 16:56:04 I must be missing something here May 12 16:56:46 I'm concerned about not using something like gmail for an addy that already filters out 99.999% for the spam May 12 16:56:58 hmm ok having thought about it for 5s I can see how we need *something* here May 12 16:57:18 however I think we have established that the spam filter is actually blocking legitimate patch emails May 12 16:57:38 so what can we do to ensure that *never* happens? May 12 16:57:42 okay so we need to figure out what is causing that. May 12 16:57:44 we can't May 12 16:57:50 no automated thing is perfect May 12 16:58:05 I really think we have to, because otherwise we basically can't rely on patchwork at all May 12 16:58:29 I can tell you that I would NOT want to run another mail server...ever. May 12 16:58:37 its a more than FT occupation. May 12 16:58:51 this is not the same problem as a general email address like you or I have though, this is an address that should only ever receive mails from our mailing lists May 12 16:59:03 surely the filtering for such an application is straightforward? May 12 16:59:07 no May 12 16:59:09 There should be a way in Gmail to add some addresses to whitelist. May 12 16:59:09 its not May 12 16:59:24 because they get ahold of the address, share it and it gets pummelled. May 12 16:59:50 all it takes is 1 person to get infected and its out there. May 12 17:00:03 I'd say 30 emails a month in my g mail are patch threads that were incorrectly flagged as spam May 12 17:00:04 yeah I get that part of the problem May 12 17:00:07 always having to move them out May 12 17:00:08 And the weird thing is that only _recently_ gmail started flagging some OE/Yocto messages as spam. May 12 17:00:37 mario-goulart: I'm starting to suspect this is the cause of patchwork emails going missing for quite some time May 12 17:01:20 to be precise, patches not showing up in patchwork, which is a long-standing issue - earlier we thought that was due to bugs in patchwork email processing, now that is in doubt May 12 17:01:36 I see. May 12 17:02:06 bluelightning, I'll talk with Halstead about this. May 12 17:02:19 but I suspect that running an open system is not what I'd want to do. May 12 17:02:29 ka6sox: that would be great May 12 17:02:47 if we want to make patchwork a ML then maybe May 12 17:03:09 ka6sox: it doesn't need to be open, filtering would be expected - but the filtering should be "did it come from the mailing list sever? no? -> drop" May 12 17:03:34 I _think_ you can set up a filter in gmail to move some messages to specific mailboxes. ISTR someone mentioned that prevents gmail from flagging stuff as spam. May 12 17:03:39 its different if the ML server handles it May 12 17:04:06 but patchwork@oe.org could be a mailing list instead of a mailbox May 12 17:04:16 making it a mailbox means a LOT of work. May 12 17:04:22 mario-goulart: every gmail filter can have the 'never send it to spam' box checked May 12 17:04:29 but some spam does hit mailing lists, so.. May 12 17:05:01 Hmmm. May 12 17:05:36 ka6sox: I'm not so worried about the details, as long as it's reliable I'll be much happier - anyway, let's run it past halstead May 12 17:07:24 bluelightning, no email system is reliable May 12 17:07:41 *more* reliable we can probably do. May 12 17:09:46 ka6sox: as reliable as: if it reaches the mailing list, it reaches patchwork May 12 17:10:49 bluelightning: it's only one of the reasons for patches not appearing May 12 17:11:00 simple renames without any changes aren't recognized as patches as well May 12 17:11:26 and I know about couple cases like this which weren't in patchwork and weren't marked as spam (in my gmail folder) May 12 17:12:35 fwiw: I haven't seen real spam in ML for very long time, so using "'never send it to spam' checkbox seems like good option May 12 17:13:03 and even if some spam falls through it won't look like patch, so patchwork won't pick it up May 12 17:13:56 true May 12 17:15:07 or I can mark "p3n!5 enlargement" patches as "Not Applicable" in patchwork :) May 12 17:15:30 bluelightning, can you send myself and Halstead some examples of things that are not getting through? (we need the mail headers) May 12 17:15:31 Thanks May 12 17:16:11 ka6sox: see this thread http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2015-May/101431.html May 12 17:16:22 JaMa: would you be able to add some details of those other patches you know about to https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7657 ? May 12 17:16:36 if there are bugs in patchwork we are aiming to fix them May 12 17:17:05 FYI I have created bugs to track other patchwork enhancements and some of my colleagues are going to work on them May 12 17:19:00 ok added 6 more May 12 17:20:35 btw: marking them as "not spam" helped a bit in my case (only for my gmail account sofar) These 3 http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2015-May/101460.html weren't marked as spam in my gmail May 12 17:20:40 but still aren't on patchwork May 12 17:21:01 maybe the "not spam" propagation to other accounts takes a bit longer May 12 17:21:11 or needs more people to mark it as such May 12 18:35:26 ka6sox, If we make the patchwork inbox only accept mail from the openembedded mailserver and take gmail out of the mix what breaks? May 12 19:06:38 halstead, we can try that and see if going thru that ML is an issue **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 13 02:59:58 2015