**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 09 02:59:59 2015 Oct 09 05:04:00 greetings Oct 09 05:04:19 someone else not able to build classpath-native from the meta-layer? Oct 09 05:04:40 cacao-native segfaults during the configuration step Oct 09 05:05:13 http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2015-June/102007.html Oct 09 09:28:51 dropped from hangout due to audio quality and other duties Oct 09 10:34:20 did the hangout get abandoned? Oct 09 10:34:51 rburton, I just asked Jefro to check it Oct 09 10:37:30 i just get "waiting for people to join" Oct 09 10:38:06 Jefro, Oct 09 10:38:19 there were two emails Oct 09 10:39:32 so two urls Oct 09 10:40:33 just tried the other, same result Oct 09 10:41:55 oh a third Oct 09 10:42:11 works! Oct 09 10:42:25 rofl Oct 09 10:42:25 oh god its terrible Oct 09 10:42:30 crap Oct 09 10:42:33 how bad? Oct 09 10:42:44 i think that's koen talking Oct 09 10:42:58 can't understand any voices Oct 09 10:43:23 hmm, can we raise Jefro ? Oct 09 10:43:31 damn he may be takin gnotes Oct 09 10:43:40 well that is a good thinig Oct 09 10:43:44 yeah exactly Oct 09 10:44:00 "right now they squark squark oe-core" Oct 09 10:44:40 We really need to buy a good camera/mike for these things Oct 09 10:45:07 yes, but tbh i'm blaming uplink too, the video is stuttering too Oct 09 10:45:07 denix, was the thumbs up for the eV to buy a cam/mike? Oct 09 10:45:18 try turning video off Oct 09 10:45:30 also, I could ask about stopping the tx video Oct 09 10:46:08 hm how to turn off video Oct 09 10:46:29 Crofton: no, code of conduct Oct 09 10:46:58 ok Oct 09 11:07:37 i find the status reports very useful as it reminds people when the freeze dates are! Oct 09 11:08:27 heh Oct 09 11:10:20 people that skim by subject line have a bad habit of skipping by subject line Oct 09 11:11:23 the trick is to just not read any mailing lists at all! Oct 09 11:12:38 I was likelu the person that led to more content in the reports so I try to read them Oct 09 11:13:01 yeah sometimes dogfooding is not bad. Oct 09 11:13:10 yeah Oct 09 11:13:26 What concerns me is people miss things buried in them Oct 09 11:13:28 hmm. what are these reports? i think i don't get them.. Oct 09 11:13:43 ndec, I'll forward one Oct 09 11:13:48 ndec: welcome to my world, i don't get anything ;-) Oct 09 11:15:04 Crofton: BTW, is there a tip jar or donating thing for outsiders concerning the meetup and beverages? Oct 09 11:15:19 Thank Jefro Oct 09 11:15:26 Did that. Oct 09 11:16:03 also, I need to get really serious about begging for money so we do not need to hit up Jefro every time Oct 09 11:16:11 Crofton: thanks.. actually i had them.. Oct 09 11:16:16 :) Oct 09 11:18:23 Crofton: BTW we kind of have agreed to postponing my formal joining until the legal transition is over Oct 09 11:18:39 heh Oct 09 11:19:10 -> "its easier" Oct 09 11:20:45 kergoth: "About to submit a patch series for this which also adds the bits to oe-selftest to pull tests from layers." in #7625 - did you do that? was it merged? can't spot it. Oct 09 11:28:13 I have two open bugs in YP bugzilla Oct 09 11:28:52 one is about a year old, that bum fray won't fix it :) Oct 09 11:29:21 disappointed that you've only two, you're such a moaner normally Oct 09 11:29:34 (yay not being in dublin) Oct 09 11:32:08 those are open Oct 09 11:32:13 others are closed Oct 09 11:32:15 :) Oct 09 11:32:38 I addressed one that was in a non "yocto" layer Oct 09 11:32:51 almost before the triage guy closed it :) Oct 09 11:33:38 something to raise - do any non-yocto layers want to use yocto bugzilla, or is the current practise of generally closing and saying "mail the list" still desired? Oct 09 11:34:10 ie i closed a meta-java bug yesterday in the triage yesterday doing exactly that Oct 09 11:34:41 rburton: RP is just kind of explaining that practise and the reasons behind it Oct 09 11:35:03 yeah i can just about make out enough to know you're talking about bugs :) Oct 09 11:35:17 rburton: some are even bügs. Oct 09 11:36:46 rburton: is is possible to use BZ for non yocto layers? how does that work? Oct 09 11:37:04 there's a Layers component Oct 09 11:37:08 i can get a 'component' created, such that I get assigned bugs directly? Oct 09 11:37:44 * rburton looks to know exactly Oct 09 11:38:19 Layers product, you can get a new Component added Oct 09 11:38:29 already has meta-cgl meta-security baryon dlna Oct 09 11:39:06 lets rename to meta-poky now for 2.0!! Oct 09 11:42:20 rburton, if there is man power I would push the YP bugzilla that way Oct 09 11:42:42 ie layers really provide the manpower to fix bus Oct 09 11:43:01 Crofton: greybus? Oct 09 11:43:28 bugs :) Oct 09 11:43:37 *personally* i'd say if layer maintainers want to use yp bugzilla, just ask for a new component. triage team can ignore them if desired. Oct 09 11:44:17 yes, that was my point. i wouldn't expect the YP to do anything with these bugs. Oct 09 11:44:48 aye. Oct 09 11:47:03 ndec: the way i understood it is that those bugs would still have a negative effect on them due to being judged on the numbers in bugzilla Oct 09 11:47:13 ndec: y'know, funny company qa rules Oct 09 11:47:24 them? Oct 09 11:47:33 ndec: i think RP put it that way Oct 09 11:48:01 LetoThe2nd: hmm, if external layers are all in the Layers product, we can filter that out of queries Oct 09 11:48:48 rburton: sure, technically thats certainly possible. depends on the way the QA guys are set on looking at the bugzilla Oct 09 11:48:50 hmm.. there is a linaro components in Layers.. Oct 09 11:49:12 with Zarro bugs ;-) Oct 09 11:49:13 ndec: i really just misread that as "there's a linaro component in lawyers" Oct 09 11:49:24 hehe Oct 09 11:49:33 success! Oct 09 11:49:45 yeah! Oct 09 11:49:45 rburton: commence headbanging, then Oct 09 11:50:48 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32615155@N00/4093205855/in/dateposted-public/ Oct 09 11:51:04 precedent for drinking beer at OEDEM Oct 09 11:52:16 ndec: btw, see https://github.com/twoerner/oe-layerindex-config Oct 09 11:52:26 ndec: might also fit your current needs Oct 09 11:52:31 (je just told me) Oct 09 11:52:38 yeah. he had told me too Oct 09 11:52:42 ah Oct 09 11:57:56 rburton, my allmybugs search is 18 Oct 09 11:58:33 best comment from RP on this one: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6316 Oct 09 11:58:44 I would have thought it was really simple, bt it wasn't Oct 09 11:59:19 :) Oct 09 12:20:29 Hello everybody. Oct 09 12:21:35 One question connected with bluez4. Bluez4 installs scripts in /usr/lib/bluez4/test/. This scripts need python, and also python gobject and pytgtk. Oct 09 12:22:12 On my embedded system i don't use x11, so we i want to bake pygtk it brokes and says that there is missing cairo-xlib. Oct 09 12:22:34 I cannot build cairo-xlib without libx11 and x11 DISTRO_FEATURE. Oct 09 12:23:05 Is there any other way to solve it and not add x11 DISTRO_FEATURE. Oct 09 12:23:32 ? Oct 09 12:25:58 spaszPL: hi, I think pygtk pulls gtk+2, which always pulls x11 under Linux Oct 09 12:27:01 spaszPL: newest pygobject, however, pulls gtk+3 which also supports alternate backends such as "wayland" or "broadway" (no x11) Oct 09 12:27:21 spaszPL: so I guess the idea is to get rid of pygtk Oct 09 12:40:09 ok, but i need pygtk because of bluez4 scripts. For example script ./test-device from bluez4 uses mainloop = GObject.MainLoop() Oct 09 12:40:34 and as far as i see this GObject.MainLoop comes from pygtk Oct 09 12:41:04 Tarnyko, http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/class-gobjectmainloop.html Oct 09 12:46:19 spaszPL: the code needs to be migrated... pygobject3 (https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/PyGObject) provides GLib.MainLoop (https://developer.gnome.org/pygobject/stable/class-glibmainloop.html), which is the direct equivalent Oct 09 12:47:06 spaszPL: I fear some work is needed to modify the script itself (this is less a #oe problem than a developement one) Oct 09 12:48:15 hmm Oct 09 12:48:31 so you suggest me to install python3 with gobject ? Oct 09 12:48:42 and bluez3 will run? Oct 09 12:48:53 * bluez4 scripts. Oct 09 12:49:54 the will if you modify them by migrating their code :) maybe it is already done in bluez5, if this case you could take bluez5 as a reference Oct 09 12:50:01 *they Oct 09 12:50:57 Ok i will investigate it. Oct 09 12:51:13 thx for your help. Oct 09 13:01:27 noevilstar Oct 09 13:03:00 spaszPL: if bluez4 has bits that depend on x11 then you need to make the recipe disable those bits if x11 is disabled Oct 09 13:05:26 https://slack-imgs.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia4.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F8PUuNcwsmSHle%2Fgiphy.gif&width=249&height=140 Oct 09 13:13:58 Foreign cat: https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public?preview=One20130702-201428-1372810468.avi Oct 09 14:32:11 Yocto Project Dev Day should be renamed to Yocto Project Training Day Oct 09 15:06:22 denix, +1 Oct 09 15:23:30 FYI: http://free-electrons.com/training/yocto/ Oct 09 15:31:03 Crofton: hows things over there? Oct 09 15:32:25 good Oct 09 15:32:48 we are working on advocacy Oct 09 15:33:46 hooray! Oct 09 15:34:03 * LetoThe2nd is working on a airport gate waiting cider Oct 09 15:36:31 Crofton: give everybody a nice thump-thump from me ;) Oct 09 15:37:13 Is there a way to override BBFILES for a layer? I need a few recipes from meta-openstack but I don't want to bring in bbappends for all of these other recipes. Oct 09 15:40:51 oh shit Oct 09 15:41:06 hmmmm Oct 09 15:47:57 Seems like that would be pretty common use case. There are a ton of python recipes in meta-openstack that don't exist anywhere else. Oct 09 15:48:25 sounds like that should be fixed :) Oct 09 15:51:49 there's been some disagreement between the maintainer of meta-openstack and meta-python as to where python recipes should live Oct 09 15:52:24 kergoth: You mean come up with a way to bring in certain recipes from a layer or move generally useful recipes out of focused layers? Oct 09 15:52:33 bluelightning: hmm. okay Oct 09 16:01:55 Maybe I can setup a fake layer that has BBFILES pointing into to the meta-openstack files/directories I want. Oct 09 16:04:22 Hmm. BBMASK might work Oct 09 16:05:38 i always wondered why a bbappend without a corresponding bb is considered fatal Oct 09 16:06:00 rburton: you make a critical bugfix. update oe-core, and the version you fixed was removed. now your fix isn't applied anymore Oct 09 16:06:04 and you could silently not know about it Oct 09 16:07:33 and the moral of the story is to use wildcard appends :) Oct 09 16:07:39 ok, make it an option Oct 09 16:09:29 there is an option to make it non-fatal Oct 09 16:10:04 on a related note, bitbake-layers show-appends will warn if you're appending only the non-preferred recipe and not the preferred recipe, when both recipes exist, iirc Oct 09 16:10:06 * kergoth yawns Oct 09 17:03:36 kergoth: #7625 - did the selftest bit get into oe-core? Oct 09 17:06:23 yeah Oct 09 19:24:14 kergoth: what test? sorry, being a bit blind. Oct 09 19:26:08 oh, misunderstood the question, no I don't think I ever got around to writing self tests to verify that plugins can load from layers **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 10 02:59:59 2015