**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 23 03:00:35 2015 Nov 23 08:12:44 good morning Nov 23 11:33:47 I'm studying meta classes, where could I find more detais about the syntax "${@...}" ? Nov 23 11:34:15 is it Python? Nov 23 11:52:12 that's Inline Python Variable Expansion Nov 23 13:42:57 Hi. I'm building an system image and my kernel modules are outside image in another file modules--3.16-r0.10-mmr-imx-20151120093835.tgz. How can I enable my image to inherit modules inside? Nov 23 13:43:38 Because my lib/modules/3.16.0+g195294d/ is almost empty. Nov 23 13:50:47 spaszPL: you need to install "kernel-modules" if you want all of them in the image Nov 23 13:53:03 i can add it in my IMAGE_INSTALL ? Nov 23 13:59:55 spaszPL: yes Nov 23 14:00:18 ok, big thx, i'v tested and it works :) Nov 23 14:01:59 spaszPL: np :) Nov 23 14:17:20 joseppc, if i want to have devicetree in my system image, is there another package? Nov 23 14:17:27 like kernel-dtb or sth? Nov 23 14:21:10 spaszPL: humm, I don't know, but you may have /proc/device-tree or /sys/firmware/fdt... Nov 23 15:28:38 joseppc, ok it was kernel-devicetree package. I've added it to IMAGE_INSTALL Nov 23 15:29:05 spaszPL: ah cool, thanks for the heads up Nov 23 15:55:52 ok yet another question. How to automatic deploy uImage with initramfs in the system image /boot folder? Nov 23 15:56:30 I have uImage with initramfs, but it normally is deployed separetely in deploy dir. Nov 23 15:56:39 not inside system image. Nov 23 18:41:04 morning all Nov 23 18:54:31 gm Nov 23 20:29:19 61.92% done, 74:48:32 elapsed. (103/0/0 errors) - oh joy, 2nd HDD which died 2 weeks after guarantee, the firmware was probably programmed to do it on purpose, blame Seagate Nov 24 00:09:19 FYI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-M0gkpuWb4&index=42&list=PLGeM09tlguZTP9-9nMQNGiT_2PPFay0Cs Nov 24 00:46:41 I saw the videos for ELCE had gone up... would you recommend I watch that one? Nov 24 01:36:34 meta-debian ??? Nov 24 01:37:16 yoi Nov 24 01:37:27 you'd not heard of this before? Nov 24 01:37:56 (bear with me while I get used to the US keyboard enter key position again...) Nov 24 01:38:02 I have .. Nov 24 01:38:37 whats lacking in OE/Yocto that they needed to do this marriage of giants Nov 24 01:39:12 I remember in dusseldorf they talked about it Nov 24 01:40:11 I myself will soon publish meta-openwrt Nov 24 01:40:22 security updates is one of the major justifications I've heard for meta-debian Nov 24 01:40:27 but thats just additional packages that openwrt has Nov 24 01:41:18 He is saying Yocto project doesnt have LTS Nov 24 01:41:32 2 years is what he thinks Nov 24 01:41:39 and debian is 5+ Nov 24 01:41:51 some arguments might be relevant Nov 24 01:43:06 I don't doubt they have reasons, I'm just not sure I'd have gone down the same path Nov 24 01:44:50 hmm took a look at this layer Nov 24 01:44:57 I wouldnt use it Nov 24 01:45:20 they are preparing sources from debian source debs Nov 24 01:45:28 but then building it differently Nov 24 01:45:39 so neither OE not debian build rules Nov 24 01:45:49 are used exclusively Nov 24 01:46:24 so I would call it debOEn Nov 24 01:46:33 :) Nov 24 01:46:39 a new jargon Nov 24 01:46:43 hah Nov 24 01:46:57 I would have rather encouraged them to take poky and supported it LTS Nov 24 01:47:06 and be done with it Nov 24 01:47:12 right, agreed Nov 24 01:47:23 have a mechanism to import the security updates Nov 24 01:47:43 may be a class to inform about whats not yet imported Nov 24 01:47:49 and done Nov 24 01:47:59 right, if we need to do a comparison of the patches in debian and ours, even automated - by all means we could do that Nov 24 01:48:23 CE group could have done that and contributed the class Nov 24 01:48:39 and also come up and said we want to support 1.6 release for 10 years Nov 24 01:48:44 no one would have said no Nov 24 01:49:43 * khem` closes the video Nov 24 01:50:18 the annoying thing is my understannding is they didn't talk to anyone with OE or Debian Nov 24 01:50:29 They think they get five years for free Nov 24 01:50:36 bu then they fall off a cliff Nov 24 01:51:24 My take is they kicked the can down the road five years and do not really expect to do 10 years Nov 24 01:57:14 whatever it is if they are expecting a system holding maintained for 5+ years its an effort Nov 24 01:57:21 its better to join hands Nov 24 01:57:43 then to create something that falls on you fully to maintain Nov 24 01:57:51 as it ages the burden beomes more Nov 24 01:58:28 seems to me we ought to put forward some kind of official position on this, even if it's only a comment Nov 24 01:59:17 yeah Nov 24 01:59:22 I would think we will welcome any contribution to maintained layers from the CE project Nov 24 01:59:42 yep Nov 24 01:59:49 and also they are welcome to participate in mailing lists Nov 24 01:59:53 and ask questions Nov 24 02:00:05 my take is we would not be happy on something that depended on maintaining debian for 10 years Nov 24 02:00:36 definitely Nov 24 02:00:45 which is my underrstanding of their plan Nov 24 02:01:19 like I said, in five years their basis dries up Nov 24 02:02:42 I'm going to forward the talk to the YP AB board with the explanantion that this uses a layer to scrape debian patches to do the maint work Nov 24 02:02:53 But I expect that at five years they have a problem Nov 24 02:03:06 is that an accurate assesment? Nov 24 02:03:19 * Crofton|work has low expectations anyone on the AB with really care Nov 24 02:03:32 I think the value proposition of OE is diminished for them Nov 24 02:03:42 How so? Nov 24 02:03:54 by not participating Nov 24 02:04:12 We certainly would provide at least moral support for someone supporting a release for longer Nov 24 02:04:16 ah yes, exactly Nov 24 02:04:38 so whoever at AB has some links into them can guide them Nov 24 02:04:44 and provide some recourse Nov 24 02:04:49 if they are willing to take Nov 24 02:05:28 what sucks is we have no resources to help them, other than encouraging them to particpate Nov 24 02:05:41 and hope maybe some other users are interested in LTS Nov 24 02:05:57 but most OE users doing LTS are also selling the support Nov 24 02:13:27 I guess we are sufferring the typical embedded system fragmentation even in this day and age Nov 24 02:13:32 its mindset Nov 24 02:13:41 that needs to change for collaboration Nov 24 02:13:59 they still think our problem is so special that it needs a special solution Nov 24 02:14:11 its a wrong foot forward Nov 24 02:14:26 sure shot "leg before wicket" if you know cricket :) Nov 24 02:15:30 I do :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 24 03:00:52 2015