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May 22 09:20:39 <rob_w> since when did we have oe ? 2008 ?
May 22 13:00:20 <Crofton> rob_w, earlier than that
May 22 13:03:07 <rob_w> yeah guessed so .. i can see references of yocto branches since then , but i recall oe much longer , i think
May 22 13:27:37 <Crofton|work> I started with oe in like 2006
May 22 15:46:26 <kergoth> The OE SF project was created jan 2003, which sounds pretty close
May 22 15:47:04 <kergoth> I have a timeline written down somewhere or other with the key dates, pulled from irc discussions where we debated the name of the project and whatnot, and other sources
May 22 15:47:11 <kergoth> can't seem to find it now, though
May 22 15:48:23 <kergoth> looks like the zaurus and openzaurus was 2001, that seems right
May 22 16:06:49 <rob_w> thx kergoth Crofton , i am doing a short 10.000ft overview speech, thx for the clarifications .. i know its been along time
May 22 16:36:50 <kergoth> there's SCM history (our bitbake & oe repositories had history brought over from bk, and cvs before that), ibot's irc channel logs from #zaurus/#openzaurus/#openembedded, and the original OE wiki contents. iirc i have a backup of that which includes the pages with our original design
May 22 16:38:12 <kergoth> hah, there's a couple OE.mtn files on my nas still
May 22 16:43:12 <kergoth> in the old oe wiki i had a page with an early version of srctree/externalsrc from sept 2005. ha.
May 22 16:43:17 <kergoth> dangit, where is that design i was lookingfor..
May 22 16:43:31 <kergoth> hmm
May 22 16:46:08 <rob_w> slow down... kergoth ;-)
May 22 16:46:47 <kergoth> you got me curious, i want all the history info and historic files in one place for my own reference, so digging through my old stuff
May 22 16:47:38 <rob_w> well some projects do demand their history been taken down.. and oe is certainly one of em 
May 22 16:54:06 <kergoth> not sure what you mean by that
May 22 16:59:01 <rob_w> just mean some projects are worth their history, some dont 
May 22 17:01:14 <kergoth> ah
May 22 17:01:21 <kergoth> https://web.archive.org/web/20030404122847/http://www.openembedded.org/phpwiki/ heh :)
May 22 17:01:23 <kergoth> https://web.archive.org/web/20030802202419/http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/BuildSystem
May 22 17:01:36 <kergoth> BuildSystem! that was one of the pages i was looking for
May 22 17:02:15 <kergoth> i think there was another one, but even this has hints of OVERRIDES. "There are package bits, hardware bits, project bits, and local bits, which affect nearly all the data held. There can therefore be altered build steps, packaging steps, patches, package selections, et cetera based on said bits. Note that local bits can override those upstream, as the user can manipulate things locally to deviate from upstream."
May 22 17:02:22 <kergoth> heh
May 22 17:02:41 <kergoth> before we hammered out the "DISTRO" concept, though. where was that..
May 22 17:06:49 <kergoth> ah, the BuildFile pages have more info from the discussions
May 22 17:07:06 <rob_w> sweet stuff 
May 22 17:07:23 <kergoth> oh man, i remember pingizauru! https://web.archive.org/web/20030518193202/http://www.openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/PingiZauru hah
May 22 17:08:19 <rob_w> i know him too 
May 22 17:08:24 <rob_w> hehehe
May 22 17:10:44 <kergoth> https://web.archive.org/web/20030513110850/http://www.openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/DirectoryStructure can see hints of how we'd end up doing it, there. local.conf, tmp/, conf/, <recipe path>/files/, etc
May 22 17:12:47 <kergoth> is it sad that i kind of like https://web.archive.org/web/20030510203730/http://www.openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/BuildBinaries better than what we have today? :)
May 22 17:12:58 <rob_w> pretty sweet and the core stuff still stands ;-)
May 22 18:37:27 <rob_w> i wish i had more ways to contribute but i try my best as its outstanding , hence its long history ! 
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