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Jul 03 10:21:01 <m4t> is there really a hard runtime dependency on dbus?
Jul 03 10:31:24 <m4t> even with: PACKAGECONFIG_remove_pn-systemd = "dbus", there is RDEPENDS. log.do_configure shows that it was given --disable-dbus. i guess i might look into a .bbappend in my local layer with RDEPENDS_${PN}_remove and see what happens.
Jul 03 11:55:08 <m4t> there ended up being a Recommends from libdbus-1 for dbus-1 so along with the systemd .bbappend i added dbus-1 to BAD_RECOMMENDATIONS
Jul 03 11:55:30 <m4t> seems fine without it
Jul 03 11:55:32 <m4t> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Jul 03 17:07:37 <khem> m4t: are you using kdbus ?
Jul 03 20:15:19 <blight> hi guys
Jul 03 22:42:00 <m4t> khem: nope. nothing dbus-like in its place
Jul 03 22:47:22 <m4t> fwiw i've been using systemd on debian since jessie (now stretch) without dbus installed. just libdbus.
Jul 03 22:47:36 <m4t> for a few years now, no real issues.
Jul 03 22:48:15 <khem> m4t: it is most probably due to packaging being too coarse
Jul 03 22:48:28 <khem> that its pulling in extra stuff 
Jul 03 22:49:05 <khem> if you look into the build directories of systemd especially into runtime deps dirs 
Jul 03 22:49:10 <khem> it will give some hints 
Jul 03 22:50:33 <m4t> for systemd anyhow there is a hard-coded RDEPENDS on dbus
Jul 03 22:50:52 <m4t> independent of any PACKAGECONFIG[]
Jul 03 22:51:16 <rburton> probably an old dependency, send a tested patch
Jul 03 22:51:55 <m4t> it'll be a while before it's actually "tested" 
Jul 03 22:52:07 <m4t> just qemu for now, as i piece this system together
Jul 03 22:52:45 <rburton> that counts
Jul 03 22:52:53 <m4t> k
Jul 03 22:53:07 <rburton> easy enough to demonstrate that systemd doesn't actually need a dbus daemon anymore
Jul 03 22:54:34 <m4t> systemd in jessie was -215
Jul 03 22:55:29 <m4t> now...if you're doing stuff as non-root, it seems to. i guess it uses a direct control socket as root but that's not accessible to normal users
Jul 03 22:55:56 <m4t> so for example, systemctl list-units as non-root gives dbus error
Jul 03 23:42:50 <khem> rburton: the qemu ppc crash is due to the fact that now toolchain on device is generating PIE binaries 
Jul 03 23:43:20 <khem> unlike before my patches where SECURITY_FLAGS was only used during cross compile 
Jul 03 23:43:34 <khem> I think ppc and PIE dont go well together 
Jul 03 23:44:01 <khem> I can do a feature match by disabling PIE for target gcc for ppc 
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