**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 04 02:59:58 2019 Nov 04 08:00:42 good morning Nov 04 09:15:07 Good morning, and farewell Europe. Nov 04 09:19:28 lets call it just "morning" mkay? Nov 04 09:20:43 Timezones greetings Nov 04 09:30:22 Anyone got a tip for how to create reproducible ext4 images ? I'm currently stuck on how to make filesystem creation/write/check time reproducible Nov 04 09:35:28 ~morning Nov 04 09:35:28 Good morning! Nov 04 09:35:35 wrong one Nov 04 09:35:36 ~ugt Nov 04 09:35:36 i heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Nov 04 09:35:43 ~botsnack Nov 04 09:35:43 aw, gee, hrw Nov 04 09:35:50 morning ;D Nov 04 09:38:17 ~heavymetal Nov 04 09:38:38 * letothe2nd is disappointed. Nov 04 09:39:28 infobot: heavymetal is something letothe2nd likes Nov 04 09:39:28 okay, hrw Nov 04 09:39:33 ~heavymetal Nov 04 09:39:33 from memory, heavymetal is something letothe2nd likes Nov 04 09:39:56 infobot: forget heavymetal Nov 04 09:39:56 i forgot heavymetal, hrw Nov 04 09:41:00 inforbot: heaymetal is something that LetoThe2nd likes and happily annoys all the rest of the world with. Nov 04 09:41:04 infobot: heaymetal is something that LetoThe2nd likes and happily annoys all the rest of the world with. Nov 04 09:41:04 okay, letothe2nd Nov 04 09:41:09 ~heavymetal Nov 04 09:41:23 ~heavymetal Nov 04 09:41:32 * letothe2nd is still disappointed. Nov 04 09:41:40 infobot: heavymetal is something that LetoThe2nd likes and happily annoys all the rest of the world with. Nov 04 09:41:40 okay, letothe2nd Nov 04 09:41:55 (fixes the typo. still disappointing, but at least i tried) Nov 04 09:43:08 ;D Nov 04 09:44:36 such disappoiinting, much broing **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 04 14:33:13 2019 Nov 04 16:17:40 Is anyone actively using llvm to build OE? Nov 04 16:19:02 jonmason: khem usually does some stuffs with that, and mcfrisk (#yocto) also seems to have experience Nov 04 16:19:40 of course, khem does fun stuff with the latest gcc too :) Nov 04 16:19:49 compiler nerd Nov 04 16:22:07 jonmason: my latest compiler fun piece: i did an article on matt godbolts compilöer explorer. suggested to use a destillation apparature as illustration, as a "compiler distills source into assembly" - illustrator did a crappy job, now everybody asks me "why are you using a bong as imagery for this?!?" Nov 04 16:23:04 hahaha Nov 04 16:23:16 see for yourself: https://www.heise.de/hintergrund/C-Interaktiv-programmieren-mit-dem-Compiler-Explorer-4559669.html?wt_mc=intern.red.plus.topteaser.startseite.teaser.teaser Nov 04 16:23:26 so you are not pro compiler bong? Nov 04 16:24:10 I would've thought it was a still Nov 04 16:24:34 looks like one from the whiskey tours I've bene on Nov 04 16:24:34 obviously... other people have other associations Nov 04 16:27:30 jonmason: now that would be a fun question for the next vmware booth. are you pro or contra compiler bong? Nov 04 16:28:09 depends on if they are from the california office or not ;-) Nov 04 16:29:31 hrhrh Nov 04 20:16:03 jonmason: look at meta-clang if you want to use llvm based c/c++ compiler Nov 04 20:16:16 currently its as good as gcc Nov 04 20:17:12 khem: so, if arm was crazy enough to use it, it should work natively? Nov 04 20:18:06 sure Nov 04 20:18:21 internal people are asking about using it, and I'm telling them that if they want it to work then they need to put resources on it :) Nov 04 20:18:22 pay attention to nonclangable.conf in the layer Nov 04 20:18:47 which lists tweaks some recipes need, in some cases outright clang does not work, they have GNUisms Nov 04 20:18:52 khem: ++ for nomenclature! Nov 04 20:19:20 yeah, that is an awesome name Nov 04 20:19:31 jonmason: I would be able to use any help i get with both hands Nov 04 20:20:32 jonmason: tell them "throw money! throw money!" Nov 04 20:20:32 jonmason: one of my platform is rpi3 both 32bit and 64bit so arm32/arm64 sort of should work ok Nov 04 20:20:37 If this internal chatter pans out, there might be head count to it Nov 04 20:21:01 I'll at least try and get some kind of resources to do a nightly build with it Nov 04 20:21:14 we all love head assignments! Nov 04 20:21:30 letothe2nd: keep this PC ;-) Nov 04 20:21:31 even better if they come with permanently attached bodies Nov 04 20:21:38 jonmason: one of goals I have with meta-clang is to see if I can replace GNU runtime as well, which is quite sticky but for most part it works now Nov 04 20:22:10 right now, only think it needs is crt* stuff everything else is replacable Nov 04 20:22:16 khem: without revealing too much interal discussions, there might be a desire for exactly that :) Nov 04 20:22:34 timetable unknown, internal traction unknown Nov 04 20:22:43 jonmason: you did not reveal *much* Nov 04 20:22:47 ;) Nov 04 20:23:05 hahaha Nov 04 20:23:31 as of now, glibc and kernel are still compiled with gcc, ig you use musl then kernel is only main package using gcc in a clang setup Nov 04 20:24:13 I would try kernel with clang in coming weeks on x86_64 it works well Nov 04 20:25:07 letothe2nd: we would encourage humans to be attached to project more than machines, since humans are more likely to be hit by truck Nov 04 20:25:11 It seems like the more I educate internal teams about what OE/YP can do, the more work I get on my plate Nov 04 20:25:40 jonmason: always the case, you get volunteered for adopting new religion :) Nov 04 20:26:53 that heise.de article is hiding itself from me. does it need money ? Nov 04 20:27:11 jonmason: hey you tell me "PC" about head assignments, and khem gets away with getting run over by trucks. Nov 04 20:27:18 * letothe2nd feels pointlessly mistreated. Nov 04 20:27:44 khem: it needs money, and is actually not of much use for somebody like you Nov 04 20:27:57 khem: just go to godbolt.org :) Nov 04 20:28:13 letothe2nd: khem has to maintain meta-oe now, so you're still the lucky one :) Nov 04 20:28:56 JaMa: hrhr Nov 04 20:29:00 good point Nov 04 20:29:02 letothe2nd: I thought you were being funny, and I even lol'ed about the "head assignment". You are too funny in real life, I assumed you were being funny on irc Nov 04 20:29:16 * JaMa feels more free with 2 small kids than with one big meta-oe maintenance Nov 04 20:29:41 jonmason: me? funny? how on gods earth did you get *THAT* idea?!? Nov 04 20:30:34 HA! Nov 04 20:31:05 letothe2nd: ah, I wanted to put my german to test nevermind Nov 04 20:31:22 jonmason: i totally suffer! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_sFafClcUk Nov 04 20:32:12 khem: if you are interested, i can send you the scans of an articel on the state of linux in iiot. certainly way more interesting, and also *german* Nov 04 20:32:22 JaMa: now that you are here, there is one issue I am seeing on jenkins, its not sending the error reports to error.yp.org, it used to do that okay, have you ever seen it before Nov 04 20:32:36 letothe2nd:sure Nov 04 20:32:57 khem: will be in your mail in a few Nov 04 20:33:05 letothe2nd: LMAO! How do you even find this stuff? Nov 04 20:33:47 jonmason: if you need any info on clang stuff feel free to touch base with me Nov 04 20:33:47 jonmason: i am METAL in case you didn't realize Nov 04 20:34:21 jonmason: and be warned, about anything of steel panther is neither PC nor SFW Nov 04 20:34:22 khem: you need to modify report-error.bbclass to do that (it's part of my contrib/jansa/master branches which were used before), but it's probably missing in your forks Nov 04 20:34:51 khem: http://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core-contrib/commit/?h=jansa/master&id=765e3d1d85195b9ebe0c49873604e1c4f79ba549 Nov 04 20:35:16 letothe2nd: I WFH an don't even VPN into work most days. So, no one will suffer but my dog Nov 04 20:35:27 khem: and this one might be needed for the sstate-diff-machines.sh job (if you don't include whole meta-selftest): http://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core-contrib/commit/?h=jansa/master&id=bb7a5062c689b728bc3b3c1098bebb2fadd5a40e Nov 04 20:35:46 JaMa: I encoded it into jenkins script Nov 04 20:35:47 khem: I'm writing a data dump and impassioned plea for assistance to my management Nov 04 20:36:28 jonmason: ok, we are not using clang in one of new projects and our c++ developers were who wanted it Nov 04 20:36:29 jonmason: well are you up for some really crazy stuff? Nov 04 20:36:55 letothe2nd: there is a seen in that video where the person is lookin in mirror and sees what he wants :) Nov 04 20:37:10 thats so philosophical Nov 04 20:37:24 khem: i am officially scared that you two obviously are actually looking at stuff that i post Nov 04 20:38:23 JaMa: https://github.com/kraj/jenkins-jobs/blob/master/jenkins-job.sh#L31-L43 Nov 04 20:38:37 JaMa: this worked fine until few months ago Nov 04 20:40:02 now I have to reply to patches which break things by quoting what might be wrong, earlier I would just point that to a error.yp.org entry, is quite handy Nov 04 20:41:56 jonmason: i mean, who doesn't like chocolate, for example? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIKqgE4BwAY Nov 04 20:44:34 letothe2nd: ah, babymetal Nov 04 20:44:40 jonmason: unless being busy breaking the law, of course! https://youtu.be/vy5UgEVT48Y?t=4328 Nov 04 20:45:53 jonmason: or travelling! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r8jlHDBMsw Nov 04 20:46:04 * letothe2nd will better stop for tdoay. Nov 04 20:47:49 I don't even understand that second to last one Nov 04 20:48:48 eläkelaiset? Nov 04 20:49:28 thats a finnish humppa band doing a cover of judas priests "breaking the law" at wacken (europes biggest metal festival) Nov 04 20:54:47 * letothe2nd calls it a day, then. Nov 04 20:56:51 letothe2nd: later **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 05 00:31:22 2019 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 05 02:59:58 2019