**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 06 03:00:04 2020 Mar 06 11:10:07 is there any documentation out there about how firmware and bootloaders work with yocto/oe? Mar 06 11:11:03 mort: usually only on a board specific or loader specific level, becuase those things are usually... board specific :) Mar 06 13:58:20 I THINK I need 100 sq ft.. (seems like a lot..) Mar 06 13:58:26 I need to remeasure to be sure Mar 06 13:58:54 fray: for documenting firmware and bootloaders? :P Mar 06 14:00:39 crap completely wrong window Mar 06 14:00:51 (measuring for tile in my bathroom) lol Mar 06 14:01:47 fray: guessed something like it but i totally couldn't let the opportunity pass Mar 06 14:02:12 lol Mar 06 14:02:36 :) Mar 06 14:02:44 So I need 8 boxes of tiles @ 66.63 a box.. yikes Mar 06 14:03:15 my condolences. Mar 06 14:03:36 it's better then the marble tile I found last night that was $163 a square foot.. :P Mar 06 14:03:44 this stuff is only $6.89 a square foot Mar 06 14:04:25 (6.7 m^2 for the rest of the world is the wall size in my tub) Mar 06 14:04:56 i like marble. Mar 06 14:05:00 buy once, cry one. Mar 06 14:05:02 and a box has .9 m^2 of tile in it for USD 66.63 a box Mar 06 14:05:05 once, even. Mar 06 14:05:29 flooring I have is vinyl, but has a marble pattern on it.. (and a WHOLE lot cheaper) Mar 06 14:05:54 I'm thinking in the tub area, I'll do an accent with some actual marble, some sort of mosaic.. but I still have to determine the size of colors.. Mar 06 14:06:34 (rest of the room is wood trim and paint.. so cheaper then tile for sure.. and a lot easier to install!) Mar 06 14:07:45 hmm. I'll have to look into some of that for my bathroom. Unfortunately the subfloor seems quite un-level so something like that would probably be much easier to install than ceramic tile. Mar 06 14:07:46 fray: do i come off as sufficiently arrogant if i point out that my bathroom floors and window panes are actually blue pearl marble? :P Mar 06 14:09:42 LetoThe2nd: nice. Is it recent construction? Mar 06 14:09:57 georgem: 2012 IIRC Mar 06 14:10:00 LetoThe2nd na, you just like marble.. :) Mar 06 14:10:07 cool Mar 06 14:10:25 I was looking at a 'Biltmore' marble originally, but out of the budget for the second bathroom in the house.. Mar 06 14:10:54 so going to tile instead for the shower, and wainscoting for the wall.. should save me about $1000-$2000 doing it this way Mar 06 14:11:02 My bathroom is quite large. I suspect marble would cost $20k USD to do the floor. Mar 06 14:11:14 but I did install a European (Italian actually) radiator in the room... Mar 06 14:11:18 maybe it's cheaper than I'm thinking Mar 06 14:12:06 lol, this is a SMALL bathroom, only 86"x60" (36 sq ft, or 3.4 m^2) Mar 06 14:12:42 yeah my bathrooms are actually quite small. we were like "this is not real estate to spend time in, so lets keep it small" Mar 06 14:12:51 8.2 m^3 in volume Mar 06 14:13:23 (US always uses floor space, not volume.. but I know some countries everything is measured by volume for the room) Mar 06 14:13:37 ours has a shower, spa tub, double vanities all that stuff plus a toliet room with a separating door. Mar 06 14:14:17 floor is really crappy linoleum right now Mar 06 14:14:19 The before: https://kernel.crashing.org/fray/Upstairs_Bathroom/Webster,%20February%2013,%202020/IMG_1888.jpeg Mar 06 14:15:06 (from that picture, the door is actually moving to the right side of the hallway wall, instead of where it is now.. always bugs be that you are basically walking into the toilet to the room, then have to walk around it.. I'm fixing that) Mar 06 14:15:08 that's about the size of the bathroom in my last house that I put ceramic tile in. Mar 06 14:15:32 I've got a 1950's inwall medicine cabinet/mirror for above the sink.. Mar 06 14:15:46 but using the same toilet, sink and tub that you see in that picture Mar 06 14:15:56 ...and my new radiator... Mar 06 14:16:03 I agree with you on the toilet placement Mar 06 14:16:18 * LetoThe2nd feels awesome. successfully diverted #oe into a bathroom discussion. Mar 06 14:16:19 https://kernel.crashing.org/fray/Upstairs_Bathroom/Webster,%20March%202,%202020/IMG_1941.jpeg Mar 06 14:16:26 back to wörk for me. Mar 06 14:16:30 (and completely by accident as well) Mar 06 14:16:50 (this all started cause teh 1920's era cast iron plumbing had to be replaced..) Mar 06 14:17:31 I love the character of older houses but yikes, a lot of work. Mar 06 14:17:45 I live (in american standards) in an old house.. was originally built in 1880's, maybe torn down and rebuilt in 1900.. then added onto several times, 1920's, 1940's, 1960's and 1980's.. Mar 06 14:18:25 georgem ya, the window isn't frameed properly.. so the buidler needs to construct a proper header above the window.. and the floor structure needs some additional support added.. Mar 06 14:18:33 yeah, that's very old by American standards. I suspect you live on the East coast? Mar 06 14:19:12 Midwest.. Minnesota Mar 06 14:19:26 the mockup of the wainscotting and sink: Mar 06 14:19:27 https://kernel.crashing.org/fray/Upstairs_Bathroom/Webster,%20March%201,%202020/IMG_1937.jpeg Mar 06 14:19:31 ah ok. I'm in Kansas City area. There are very few properties that old here. Mar 06 14:19:40 (my office is on the other side of that wall) Mar 06 14:19:59 so there are plans to fill the wall with insulation as a sound deadening.. Mar 06 14:20:05 fray: sounds very much like you are into pain. of a very specific kind. Mar 06 14:20:21 ya.. I've found a number of things wrong with this place.. Mar 06 14:20:44 (for the last picture) if you go directly left of the picture is our guest bedroom, which until recently we never used.. Mar 06 14:20:57 because from edge to center of the room was a 6+" drop.. Mar 06 14:21:33 the room was only 12 feet wide, 3.7m .. with a 6" (152 mm) drop.. Mar 06 14:22:05 I had to open the ceiling of the room below it, lift the floor (as much as the house would allow), then strengthen the structure, and put the ceiling back together.... Mar 06 14:22:10 The place my MIL used to have in Montreal was similar age and the guest bedroom we stayed in when visiting pretty insane tilt to it. Mar 06 14:22:23 had a* Mar 06 14:22:33 (did that about 2 years ago).. took me all summer for a SMALL area.. but now the floor is solid, and the overall drop is less then 1 inch (25mm) Mar 06 14:22:58 ya, I never felt the room was unsafe to walk in.. but it wasn't comfortable.. so we never used it Mar 06 14:23:23 the structure I found was 2x6 over a 14 foot span.. (room is only 12 feet, but it goes a bit beyond that room) Mar 06 14:23:42 modern code says 2x10 is required for that span.. but 2x8 was allowed until the late 90's.. Mar 06 14:24:14 after lifting it, I added 2x8's to one side of the old joists, and 3x4 plywood to the other side.. "glued and screwed".. then put blocking between the joists.. it really is solid now.. Mar 06 14:24:38 but just the lifting took me a month. since I had to go -slowly-, as to not break anything.. Mar 06 14:25:20 wow Mar 06 14:26:36 http://kernel.crashing.org/~fray/floor/Pages/27.html Mar 06 14:27:02 that is a picture with the temporary support still in place, floor up to it's final height and the 2x8 and 3/4" plywood added.. (blocking was still missing in that photo) Mar 06 14:27:33 http://kernel.crashing.org/~fray/floor/Pages/11.html Mar 06 14:28:01 that is what I found when I took down the ceiling.. the joinsts are on the left.. they just nailed 2x4's to them (right) to make a flat ceiling, but never actually fixed the problem above.. Mar 06 14:28:10 I couldn't figure out how the floor was so bad, yet the ceiling was good below Mar 06 16:05:20 we all know, temporary can become permanent Mar 06 17:25:03 armpit: I always borrow money temporarily Mar 06 19:46:39 Jin^eLD: regarding the stm32mp1 boards: i know Marex has been working with one lately Mar 06 19:46:51 "there are few things as permanent as a temporary solution" Mar 06 19:47:41 Jin^eLD: ask Marex about getting openocd working with it ;-) Mar 06 20:33:03 khem: saw my message? Mar 07 00:02:39 dl9pf: no **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 07 03:03:04 2020