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Dec 16 03:52:17 <denkenz> holtmann:
Dec 16 03:52:18 <denkenz> AT+CGREG?                                                                       
Dec 16 03:52:20 <denkenz> +CGREG: 2,1,"99EC","00001A11",3                                                 
Dec 16 03:52:21 <denkenz>                                                                                 
Dec 16 03:52:23 <denkenz> OK                                                                              
Dec 16 03:52:24 <denkenz> AT+CREG?                                                                        
Dec 16 03:52:26 <denkenz> +CREG: 2,4                                                                      
Dec 16 03:52:27 <denkenz>                                                                                 
Dec 16 03:52:29 <denkenz> OK                                                                              
Dec 16 03:52:30 <denkenz> AT+COPS?                                                                        
Dec 16 03:52:32 <denkenz> +COPS: 0,0,"T-Mobile",0                                                         
Dec 16 03:52:33 <denkenz>                                                                                 
Dec 16 03:52:35 <denkenz> OK                                                                              
Dec 16 03:52:36 <denkenz> AT+CGCLASS?                                                                     
Dec 16 03:52:38 <denkenz> +CGCLASS: "CG"                                                                  
Dec 16 03:52:39 <denkenz>                                                                                 
Dec 16 03:52:41 <denkenz> OK                                             
Dec 16 04:58:33 <zhenhua> denkenz: how can I use phonesim from command line, without ofono?
Dec 16 05:02:44 <martin_lab> holtmann, command netstat -nr,  gw shows right ip;  netstat -r,   gw shows "localhost". why the gw is resolved to "localhost"? And the dhcp return value has sent to your mail.   
Dec 16 05:04:29 <holtmann> martin_lab: Really. Just post netstat -nr here.
Dec 16 05:45:12 <holtmann> Check with nslookup, dig and host to see what your IP resolves to and why and who does it.
Dec 16 05:45:32 <martin_lab> holtmann, ok, no problem. 
Dec 16 10:00:02 <daniele_athome> hi! I would like to know if there is some backend interface for developing a message storage
Dec 16 10:00:47 <daniele_athome> or should I simply listen to gsm signals for incoming sms in an external daemon?
Dec 16 13:28:20 <akiniemi> Why does the CBS manager need a "Powered" property?
Dec 16 13:41:45 <daniele_athome> akiniemi, maybe to indicate its status of activation?
Dec 16 14:45:04 <akiniemi> daniele_athome: yeah, but what does that mean?
Dec 16 14:48:42 <akiniemi> There seems to be a couple of things missing from the SIM API...
Dec 16 14:49:21 <akiniemi> First, we should add an API for SIM locks (for querying status and removing)
Dec 16 14:52:20 <akiniemi> Also, if the SIM is somehow borked, should there be a SIM Manager to report that error case?
Dec 16 15:40:02 <denkenz> akiniemi: Don't we already have such an API?
Dec 16 15:40:48 <denkenz> query_password, send_password, reset_password, change_password,lock,query_locked
Dec 16 15:41:34 <denkenz> daeniele_athome: Please use history plugin, it has callbacks for messages being sent/received
Dec 16 15:41:49 <denkenz> daniele_athome: You can stuff them into a db of your choice
Dec 16 15:47:29 <denkenz> akiniemi: And yes we still need a sim not inserted / sim broken state, however there is no standard for this, so feel free to propose something
Dec 16 16:16:33 <daniele_athome> denkenz, thank you, I was just reading that code :)
Dec 16 16:26:42 <denkenz> holtmann: What's the verdict on Martin's patch?
Dec 16 16:27:16 <holtmann> That patch is just fine. We need to fake the Netmask value.
Dec 16 16:27:56 <holtmann> There is no point in having ConnMan do the heavy lifting in calculating the Netmask since we already know it.
Dec 16 16:32:57 <denkenz> holtmann: Ok, in the future do you expect all plugins to do this?
Dec 16 16:33:06 <denkenz> holtmann: Or just the ones we know the netmask?
Dec 16 16:33:37 <holtmann> I expect plugins to give us a netmask. If not we can only set 255.255.255.255.
Dec 16 16:33:57 <holtmann> However the netmask is only important for devices that are real Ethernet devices like MBM.
Dec 16 16:34:08 <denkenz> There are modems that provide only IP and DNS btw
Dec 16 16:34:12 <holtmann> The HSO for example we don't care. It is point-to-point anyway.
Dec 16 16:34:15 <denkenz> Not even gw/netmask
Dec 16 16:34:53 <denkenz> Nod, ok, just checking
Dec 16 16:35:07 <holtmann> This is a special case for MBM. Normally you would expect a point-to-point network interface. Then netmask and gateway doesn't matter at all. We just route to the interface.
Dec 16 16:35:27 <holtmann> However with "real" Ethernet interfaces we have to have it.
Dec 16 16:35:58 <holtmann> If we could turn MBM into doing a point-to-point interface, then I would do that, but that breaks DHCP.
Dec 16 16:36:25 <holtmann> In theory it would work, but we tried it with WiMAX and it causes more problems than it does any good.
Dec 16 16:36:56 <denkenz> Ok, sounds good to me, I will apply it then
Dec 16 17:33:56 <balrog-kun> denkenz: do you think different phase cards can have imsi collisions or why should we cache per phase?
Dec 16 17:34:21 <denkenz> balrog-kun: Suppose you have a 2G card and a 3G card in your laptop
Dec 16 17:34:42 <denkenz> balrog-kun: The 3G card will always use the 3G UICC, 2G card will use the 2G part of the UICC
Dec 16 17:34:55 <denkenz> They still share same IMSI, but physically different files
Dec 16 17:35:38 <balrog-kun> denkenz: wait, a 2G SIM and a 3G SIM?
Dec 16 17:35:53 <denkenz> The UICC contains 2 'SIMs' in it
Dec 16 17:36:08 <denkenz> a 3G for 3G devices, and a 2G backward compatible one for 2G devices
Dec 16 17:36:43 <balrog-kun> is that possible? and by UICC do you mean the physical card?
Dec 16 17:37:09 <balrog-kun> afaik there's one imsi per one physical SIM and it can only be phase 2 or 3
Dec 16 17:37:19 <balrog-kun> not both
Dec 16 17:40:13 <denkenz> I'm pretty sure it is
Dec 16 17:42:24 <balrog-kun> how would the card know what file type to return for EFecc? the modem would need to tell it
Dec 16 17:43:16 <denkenz> it does
Dec 16 17:43:21 <denkenz> it selects the UICC or something else
Dec 16 17:46:45 <denkenz> Get a 3G SIM and try it
Dec 16 17:47:09 <denkenz> It will return a fixed EFecc for 3G and a transparent for EFecc in a 2G
Dec 16 17:47:19 <denkenz> So there are physically two different stores
Dec 16 17:47:19 <balrog-kun> yeah, i should get one but they don't have them here,
Dec 16 17:47:34 <balrog-kun> i wonder if the two versions of the files are kept in sync some way
Dec 16 17:47:44 <balrog-kun> or are there effectively two files on the sim
Dec 16 17:47:48 <balrog-kun> they*
Dec 16 17:47:50 <denkenz> That is something I'm not sure of, probably up to the modem
Dec 16 17:47:57 <denkenz> most likely no
Dec 16 17:53:38 <balrog-kun> denkenz: would it make sense to have .read_file_info return the phase?
Dec 16 17:54:21 <denkenz> try it, seems reasonable
Dec 16 17:54:30 <balrog-kun> ok
Dec 16 18:10:35 <denkenz> balrog-kun: And get yourself some 3G sims, maybe a trip to Germany is in order ;)
Dec 16 20:14:57 <denkenz> holtmann: So I figured out a way to get the IP address on the MD300
Dec 16 20:15:13 <denkenz> holtmann: Unfortunately don't know how to get the DNS 
Dec 17 02:50:25 <tmzt> holtmann: is there still a distinction beetween tun and tap in linux as far as point to point goes?
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