**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 17 02:59:56 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 17 06:31:16 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 17 06:31:40 2010 Jan 17 20:57:33 how far is ofono away from allowing telephony on n900 if i may ask? Jan 17 21:02:19 josch: You need to ask Aki or Remi for it. I never really tried it. However it might be possible to already make phone calls. Jan 17 21:02:57 With a recent kernel and the phonet-usb driver you can try it on your desktop. Just plug the N900 into your desktop and select PC Suite mode. oFono will be capable to detecting Nokia Phonet devices. Jan 17 21:03:48 well i would want to run it on the device itself Jan 17 21:03:53 dont have a n900 though Jan 17 21:03:55 It is possible to make phone calls Jan 17 21:04:18 But to get audio routed right probably the old stack should be running, at least that was the case 2 weeks ago. Jan 17 21:04:21 akiniemi: ping :) Jan 17 21:04:37 oh rly :( Jan 17 21:05:44 i was talking to mer guys right now and from their pov it's fairly easy to boot a vanilla debian debootstrap for example - if phonecalls are possible with ofono i wanted to try it out in there Jan 17 21:06:33 on the om devices audio routing is done by alsa - how should that be different on n900? Jan 17 21:06:35 josch: ask Jebba, he was the one the most interested: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Ofono Jan 17 21:07:26 yes i was told about Jebba in #mer Jan 17 21:07:48 he is in #mer but not online atm Jan 17 22:37:06 josch: n900 uses pulseaudio Jan 17 22:41:38 tmzt: you mean maemo uses pulseaudio Jan 17 22:43:36 no, n900 requires certain processing be done in userspace Jan 17 22:43:46 currently only pulseaudio has that code Jan 17 22:44:42 meh :( Jan 17 22:45:55 tmzt: are those features only in n900 pulseaudio or an upstream feature Jan 17 22:58:11 The N900 exports a character device driver from the kernel. That has the pure GSM audio stream. And that is processed via PulseAudio. Jan 17 22:59:00 I am not sure how much the PluseAudio plugin for the N900 has to talk to csd (the N900 telephony stack) or if it is independent. Jan 17 22:59:42 ah now i see Jan 17 23:00:13 The driver for that should be somewhere in the OMAP kernel tree btw. Jan 17 23:00:28 I never looked for it. Jan 17 23:00:47 hrm.. Jan 17 23:00:51 The PulseAudio changes should have been made public. Not really sure about that. Jan 17 23:01:14 You would have to ask the Nokia guys for real details. Jan 17 23:02:55 since pulse audio is LGPL i dont worry abut the code being public or not because in the end it has to :) Jan 17 23:04:05 i would be only worried about the involvment of csd ;) Jan 17 23:04:49 With LGPL the changes have to made public. If it is implement as a plugin, it doesn't have to. Only GPL would enforce that. Jan 17 23:05:19 sure Jan 17 23:05:29 That is the reason why oFono is GPL. We don't wanna have binary code being executed in our process context. Jan 17 23:05:40 i have to talk to some n900 owkners for that Jan 17 23:06:19 I have two of them, but no time too look into this. So can't really help you here. Jan 17 23:06:21 *owners Jan 17 23:06:47 np i will find one :)  Jan 17 23:06:56 thx for your infos :) Jan 17 23:07:00 Sure. Jan 17 23:08:05 some good news for htc devices, we should have an alsa driver soon Jan 17 23:08:22 thanks to gnutoo and leviathan Jan 17 23:08:30 alsa_qdsp and asoc driver Jan 17 23:30:00 tmzt: Nice stuff. Jan 18 00:36:27 josch: maemo extra/extra-dev repo already has ofono/ofono-dev. you can try it on N900. but i am not sure about audio part. Jan 18 00:37:02 g1 driver? Jan 18 00:47:50 no, isi driver Jan 18 00:48:28 g1 driver isn't packaged? Jan 18 00:48:59 no, i think all is packaged. but isi is enabled automatically Jan 18 00:52:01 okay, that's fine Jan 18 00:52:15 I think g1 will work without changes for me Jan 18 00:52:27 at least basic phone calls Jan 18 01:06:43 zhenhua: i'm not interested in running it on maemo but on a free distro - jebba from #mer already said he will try it on mer and fedora to see about the audio Jan 18 01:07:53 it's also packaged for mer I think Jan 18 01:08:06 and it's in debian i know Jan 18 01:08:27 but building from source on the device is also no big deal Jan 18 01:15:23 right Jan 18 01:18:23 josch: we have already know that ofono could run on ubuntu or fedora to have a voicecall. but audio is a problem Jan 18 01:18:58 josch: you need to talk with akiniemi for how to route audio to pc Jan 18 01:19:37 i dont need to route it to a pc host - i want to play it on the device :) Jan 18 01:20:25 carrying my notebook around to make voicecalls reminds me of the early times in openmoko when we could only do calls by ssh-ing to the device :) Jan 18 01:21:09 then i think http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Ofono already have all you need :-) Jan 18 01:22:06 read it :) Jan 18 01:22:40 as said the same gui already told me he is caring about the audio issue soon Jan 18 01:25:06 who will take care about the audio part? Jan 18 01:26:30 jebba Jan 18 01:26:38 at least he will investigate it Jan 18 01:28:14 okay, but nokia's libfeedback plugin is close source. Jan 18 01:28:27 what is libfeedback? Jan 18 01:28:37 pulseaudio plugins Jan 18 01:29:02 didnt know about it - its not listed here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages Jan 18 01:29:03 sorry, should be libplayback Jan 18 01:29:23 ah that one is :) Jan 18 01:29:27 libplayback-1-0 Jan 18 01:29:29 right Jan 18 01:29:48 man that suxx hard :/ Jan 18 01:30:01 seems me buying that device has to wait now Jan 18 01:30:17 heh Jan 18 01:30:54 but with csd daemon, we can have voicecall out even using ofono to make a call Jan 18 01:31:50 but what does that give me? Jan 18 01:32:07 i'm still not able to replace the propri part then Jan 18 01:36:10 asterisk? Jan 18 01:36:31 farsight? Jan 18 01:36:58 yeah but for that i dont need a device with gsm Jan 18 01:37:11 i can just get a n800 or other handheld then Jan 18 01:38:50 well, holtmann said there's a gsm audio stream Jan 18 01:38:58 either of those should be able to handle it Jan 18 01:44:03 is that so? Jan 18 01:45:07 with changes of course Jan 18 01:45:13 but I don't mean voip Jan 18 01:45:51 well i certainly lack the knowledge in that area so for me it's still waiting until someone does it :/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 18 02:59:56 2010