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Feb 22 18:03:12 <jprvita> denkenz: there no API for SMS yet?
Feb 22 18:05:03 <denkenz> jprvita: There are
Feb 22 18:05:15 <jprvita> which one is it?
Feb 22 18:05:36 <denkenz> org.ofono.SmsManager
Feb 22 18:05:42 <denkenz> It might not be in doc/ yet
Feb 22 18:06:00 <jprvita> it's not
Feb 22 18:06:15 <denkenz> Just look at src/sms.c, the API is trivial
Feb 22 18:06:25 <jprvita> and also, it doesn't show up when I connect to a modem
Feb 22 18:06:27 <denkenz> two signals for incoming case and SendMessage for outgoing
Feb 22 18:06:30 <jprvita> shouldn't it?
Feb 22 18:06:42 <denkenz> Depends, maybe your modem doesn't support SMS
Feb 22 18:06:56 <denkenz> Or more likely it needs to be quirked
Feb 22 18:07:05 <jprvita> quirked?
Feb 22 18:07:26 <denkenz> Yes, some modems don't exactly follow the spec, so we quirk them in the SMS driver
Feb 22 18:07:33 <jprvita> it's my mobile phone, so it does support SMS..  I don't know if it exports this through bt
Feb 22 18:08:18 <denkenz> So do you get something 
Feb 22 18:08:19 <denkenz> static void at_sms_not_supported(struct ofono_sms *sms)
Feb 22 18:08:21 <denkenz> {
Feb 22 18:08:22 <denkenz>         ofono_error("SMS not supported by this modem.  If this is in error"
Feb 22 18:08:24 <denkenz>                         " please submit patches to support this hardware");
Feb 22 18:08:25 <denkenz>         ofono_sms_remove(sms);
Feb 22 18:08:27 <denkenz> }
Feb 22 18:08:28 <denkenz> Do you get that message? If you do, then you need a quirk
Feb 22 18:08:43 <jprvita> hum, workaround it....  thanks google define :)
Feb 22 18:08:44 <padovan> jprvita: you'll need the SAP plugin for that.
Feb 22 18:08:46 <jprvita> let me see
Feb 22 18:09:19 <denkenz> For SMS you don't 'need' SAP, but you do need at least SPP
Feb 22 18:09:33 <denkenz> It most likely won't work over HFP
Feb 22 18:10:25 <jprvita> denkenz: hum, I don't get that message..  it should show up when setting Powered=1 right?
Feb 22 18:10:49 <denkenz> jprvita: So lets start at the beginning, which modem driver are you using
Feb 22 18:11:24 <jprvita> none I guess, just HFP
Feb 22 18:11:42 <denkenz> so as I said, HFP driver does not provide SMS capability
Feb 22 18:12:03 <denkenz> It is not in the spec, if you want SMS you need to connect up to the SPP profile, not HFP
Feb 22 18:12:08 <jprvita> right, so I need to enable another driver through modem.conf I guess
Feb 22 18:12:37 <denkenz> Yes, you can do 'rfcomm connect' type magic and then use generic driver with modem.conf
Feb 22 18:14:03 <jprvita> hum, I guess I can use the g1, since my phone is a g1 :)
Feb 22 18:14:48 <denkenz> what the g1 provides over bluetooth is different from what it provides over raw serial
Feb 22 18:15:18 <denkenz> I think g1 driver assumes raw serial, but feel free to try it
Feb 22 18:17:37 <jprvita> raw serial you mean USB? I can use that while there is no BT support
Feb 22 18:17:59 <jprvita> my final goal is to write a little test app for sending / receiving SMS
Feb 22 18:18:21 <denkenz> No, g1 driver is used to run raw on the g1
Feb 22 18:18:26 <denkenz> Not over USB or Bluetooth
Feb 22 18:18:41 <denkenz> So I've no idea whether it will actually work that way
Feb 22 18:19:07 <denkenz> jprvita: And I've actually done this before with my Sony Ericssons
Feb 22 18:20:06 <denkenz> jprvita: The proper way to do this might be to redo the BlueZ Serial proxy in a HandsfreeAgent type way
Feb 22 18:20:19 <denkenz> Then create a special SMS-over-Bluetooth modem driver
Feb 22 18:20:30 <jprvita> wow...
Feb 22 18:21:13 <denkenz> That way we can actually do a nice app that will work as well as the Apple SMS over Bluetooth one
Feb 22 18:21:24 <jprvita> so there is still a long path to go for total bluetooth control
Feb 22 18:21:55 <denkenz> It is actually trivial, most of the code is simply copy-paste from HFP
Feb 22 18:22:45 <jprvita> other than SMS over BT and SAP, what else are we missing?
Feb 22 18:23:15 <jprvita> so we can have an app to fully control a mobile phone over bluetooth
Feb 22 18:23:33 <denkenz> Define fully control
Feb 22 18:24:34 <jprvita> hehe, you are the oFono guy, not me :)
Feb 22 18:24:59 <denkenz> I don't know what you're trying to accomplish though
Feb 22 18:25:22 <jprvita> but I guess file transfer, phonebook acess, SMS, HFP, some configurations maybe..
Feb 22 18:25:40 <jprvita> pretty much like the nokia phone tools for windows
Feb 22 18:25:44 <denkenz> Biggest issue is that all of these are separate protocols
Feb 22 18:25:55 <jprvita> yep, I know..
Feb 22 18:26:08 <denkenz> Whereas PC Suite cheats and has just one protocol ;)
Feb 22 18:26:47 <jprvita> yes, I've read something about that too when trying to use gnokki a long time ago
Feb 22 18:27:33 <denkenz> So for file transfer you have to use OBEX FTP, phonebook you need to use PBAP, SMS -> SPP, HFP you know
Feb 22 18:27:41 <jprvita> (or whatever they call a gnome app to try to to something with phones)
Feb 22 18:27:49 <denkenz> So I count 4 rfcomm connections already
Feb 22 18:29:12 <jprvita> right
Feb 22 18:30:52 <jprvita> so, going back to the SMS subject, how is the easiest way to test SMS send/receive? I have a G1, a N900, a huawei USB 3G modem, and another 3G modem available here
Feb 22 18:31:47 <denkenz> The 3G modem is the easiest
Feb 22 18:32:37 <denkenz> I think marcel managed to send smses with his huawei before
Feb 22 18:33:02 <jprvita> I see there is a huawei driver under plugins
Feb 22 18:33:25 <denkenz> Yes and that one even provides sms + appropriate quirk
Feb 22 18:33:34 <denkenz> Which other 3G modem do you have?
Feb 22 18:33:37 <jprvita> is there some doc or so to get started on how to connect to it?
Feb 22 18:33:54 <denkenz> For USB ones generally just 'plug in'
Feb 22 18:34:08 <jprvita> I'm trying to check with the other guy here, that other one is not mine
Feb 22 18:34:11 <denkenz> You might have to mess with ofono udev rules to get it recognized
Feb 22 18:34:19 <jprvita> but I can use it for testing
Feb 22 18:34:37 <denkenz> see plugins/ofono.rules
Feb 22 18:34:46 <denkenz> It has a huawei rule, but see if it is sufficient
Feb 22 18:34:52 <jprvita> ok
Feb 22 18:35:18 <jprvita> I've managed to use it with network manager once, for internet access 
Feb 22 18:35:31 <jprvita> so I guess it will be recognizes
Feb 22 18:35:35 <jprvita> recognized 
Feb 22 18:35:37 <denkenz> NetworkManager has a similar udev rules setup
Feb 22 18:35:52 <jprvita> good
Feb 22 18:39:37 <jprvita> so, both modems are huawei, one of them is a E220 and for the other one we'll have to wait until tomorrow, I left it at home..
Feb 22 18:40:40 <jprvita> but I'll keep you informed of my progress here and I can write the docs for SmsManager
Feb 22 23:28:14 <tmzt> denkenz: jprvita: you could expose the real modem over rfcomm on your g1
Feb 22 23:28:26 <tmzt> but you'd have to stop rild-service first
Feb 22 23:39:39 <dilinger> hm
Feb 22 23:40:53 <dilinger> it looks like ofono has an EmergencyNumbers property that lists local emergency numbers on the VoiceCallManager interface.. but afaict, there's no indication that a specific VoiceCall is connected to an emergency PSAP.  is my understanding of that correct?
Feb 22 23:41:38 <dilinger> looks like the isimodem driver has stuff like CALL_MODE_EMERGENCY for that sort of thing, but i guess it doesn't do anything w/ them?
Feb 22 23:42:30 <dilinger> is the idea that one matches the number dialed against the list of emergency numbers in VoiceCallManager to determine if the call is an emergency call?
Feb 22 23:42:56 <denkenz> oFono doesn't care that a call is an emergency call today
Feb 22 23:43:14 <denkenz> There's simply no point as the modem does it anyway
Feb 22 23:44:08 <dilinger> right, but if the UI wants to know..
Feb 22 23:44:16 <denkenz> So the UI can do the matching
Feb 22 23:44:20 <dilinger> okay
Feb 22 23:44:57 <denkenz> This part is still very gray area, some modems have "extra" emergency numbers not listed on the SIM
Feb 22 23:45:31 <denkenz> So if you pick some random modem you might be in an emergency call without knowing it
Feb 22 23:46:44 <dilinger> heh
Feb 22 23:46:48 <dilinger> lovely
Feb 22 23:47:41 <denkenz> Which is why I'm not adding any sort of emergency call properties until we sort out any vendor specifics that we might be able to utilize
Feb 23 01:53:55 <ygu5_ubuntu> denkenz: Can we talk about the udev part of Huawei em770 modem?
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