**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 03 02:59:57 2010 Sep 03 03:18:43 balrog-k1n: See how it works out Sep 03 13:19:42 usb 6-1: Product: HUAWEI Mobile Sep 03 13:19:42 usb 6-1: Manufacturer: ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ Sep 03 13:19:43 usb 6-1: SerialNumber: ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ Sep 03 13:19:48 :( Sep 03 13:52:06 Hmm.. Wonder if the messaging agents should be global and not per modem? Sep 03 14:41:05 akiniemi: What do you think of doing the reduced set this way: Sep 03 14:41:05 http://pastebin.ca/1931805 Sep 03 14:41:48 That way you can just add your reduced table, add a new function for it and call utf8_to_gsm_with_table Sep 03 14:42:11 And the enum can be added after INVALID Sep 03 14:43:20 akiniemi: Btw, someone (maybe even you?) already suggested global agents at some point Sep 03 14:43:29 It is a bit nasty to do that though Sep 03 14:56:06 pessi: I see what you mean, they added 10 new locking/single shift tables since last I looked ;) Sep 03 16:56:38 denkenz: they also threw backwards compatibility out the window starting with Portuguese Sep 03 16:57:11 With the new tables, it's impossible to fall back gracefully Sep 03 17:14:48 akiniemi: I didn't read in enough detail, why do you say that? Section #? Sep 03 17:16:32 And we should try to avoid trying every single combination, that gets funny fast Sep 03 17:17:13 denkenz: Portuguese moves characters around, so the character at the same point in the default table is no longer "similar" Sep 03 17:18:15 But whatever, this is overall just a dumb idea. It should only be enabled in the encoding side if requested by regulators Sep 03 17:22:05 akiniemi: The spec even says this too Sep 03 17:22:16 akiniemi: So maybe main.conf is a good idea for this one Sep 03 17:22:35 denkenz: might be. Except for default/reduced. Sep 03 17:22:42 Perhaps a separate property to enable reduced charset Sep 03 17:22:50 Hah, we're on the same page for once ;) Sep 03 17:22:50 denkenz: nod Sep 03 17:23:08 denkenz: :) Sep 03 17:23:17 denkenz: and pessi has a point, too Sep 03 17:23:50 about? Sep 03 17:23:50 we should probably take the dialect as a hint, then first try with default tables, then with the hinted dialect Sep 03 17:24:02 Yeah, I agree, I was thinking the same Sep 03 17:24:10 we should always try default first, then fallback Sep 03 17:24:27 Yeah. Sep 03 17:25:08 Gets tricky with reduced on + national dialect Sep 03 17:25:26 default -> reduced -> national? Sep 03 17:25:35 default -> reduced | national? Sep 03 17:25:57 reduced right now is just default with translit Sep 03 17:26:37 I know, but in effect it translates some national letters into english Sep 03 17:26:59 so some message in portugese might encode fine in either reduced or national Sep 03 17:27:04 which one do we pick ;) Sep 03 17:27:58 we could make a reduced version Sep 03 17:28:10 of each dialect Sep 03 17:28:40 yuck Sep 03 17:28:55 "And that's when the combinatorial explosion fried my CPU your Honor" Sep 03 17:30:32 The only idea I'm coming up with is to disable the Reduced property when main.conf indicates a dialect Sep 03 17:30:57 Might be sucky for the UI... Sep 03 17:31:42 maybe not; just have an Alphabet property that becomes read-only Sep 03 17:32:24 arguably the user shouldn't see it at that point Sep 03 17:32:32 so just making it disappear is better IMO Sep 03 17:32:33 not easy to find out that it's now read-only though without trying Sep 03 17:33:46 It is then much easier for the UI to say, "Oh, reduced not available, lets not show that tick box" Sep 03 17:34:04 Agree Sep 03 17:34:34 It seems I need to work on the patches some more. ;) Sep 03 17:35:52 nod, at least we have a decent direction until we figure out something better Sep 03 18:11:06 denkenz: Do we wanna try to get some release going? Sep 03 18:41:33 holtmann: We should Sep 03 19:00:14 I haven't been following all details this week. So anything pending? Sep 03 19:04:32 Nothing's pending Sep 03 19:04:55 This release is a doozie though Sep 03 19:24:41 denkenz: Okay then. Let we work through that tree and get it released. Sep 03 19:24:53 It is way too big of a release anyway :( Sep 03 19:25:36 Not the biggest we've done, but up there Sep 03 19:26:22 Btw. I have the Huawei that can do voice over USB, but man these are crap. Sep 03 19:26:31 The firmware crashes even on AT+CLAC. Sep 03 19:26:55 You're not supposed to list all commands ;) Sep 03 19:27:33 Exactly it lists 40 or so and then crashes ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 04 02:59:57 2010