**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 06 23:59:57 2005 Feb 07 01:06:10 pong Feb 07 01:08:49 prpplague, regarding grass shacks, I was referring the one I live in. Because for some reason, some folks on the US Mainland seem to think Hawaii isnt part of the US (..."back in the states...") and that we live in grass shacks; etc, etc. Feb 07 02:21:18 Wait a minute... Feb 07 02:21:34 kas11, what do you mean the S3 board wont work with the Xilinx tools directly? Feb 07 02:22:15 I've been using my S3 board with ONLY the Xilinx tools. I dont have any of the Digilent stuff installed. Feb 07 03:39:12 is everyone asleep? Feb 07 04:31:19 Hey Feb 07 04:31:29 hey! Feb 07 04:31:32 wb Feb 07 04:31:35 Thaks Feb 07 04:31:37 Thanks Feb 07 04:32:31 Did anyone run into you? Feb 07 04:32:39 huh? Feb 07 04:32:45 or over you? Feb 07 04:32:52 ? Feb 07 04:33:01 nothing broken? Feb 07 04:33:11 Ohh Feb 07 04:33:13 Sort of Feb 07 04:33:21 oh oh Feb 07 04:33:23 Got injured Feb 07 04:33:26 ouch Feb 07 04:33:33 Nothing major but couldn't ski Feb 07 04:33:45 oh rats! Feb 07 04:33:45 That sucks. Feb 07 04:33:58 Yeah. Especially since it was the first day... Feb 07 04:34:09 oh no! Feb 07 04:34:17 Yep Feb 07 04:34:56 So basically I went on a 1 week skiing holiday with about 1.5 hours of skiing :) Feb 07 04:35:08 argh Feb 07 04:35:12 Our surf forecaster got totally taken out of service by a high speed boarder couple weeks ago. 5 broken ribs, 3 in multiple places. Punctured lung. Feb 07 04:35:19 Ouch Feb 07 04:35:26 I'l glad your injuries arent serious. Feb 07 04:35:42 (ka6sox, that was pat) Feb 07 04:35:43 I've not broken any bones thankfully. Just done something to my foot which makes it hurt Feb 07 04:35:51 that is why I stay at home this season...I know too many people who are having trouble with Skiing Feb 07 04:36:35 Apparently a couple of weeks ago there was some avalanche as they had a memorial thing for 7 ski instructors Feb 07 04:37:34 Wow... thats quite a few for a single event. Feb 07 04:37:36 The memorial involving a bunch of 60 ski instructors running up the olympic run with full gear on, drinking for 2 hours and then skiing back down whilst holding a flaming torch Feb 07 04:37:51 I don't think the 2 hours of drinking was actually part of the official plan :) Feb 07 04:38:01 Hmm. Feb 07 04:38:10 This sounds like Australia Day in Whistler. Feb 07 04:38:14 heh Feb 07 04:38:34 A bunch of crazy aussies riding down the mountain wearing only the aussie flag. Feb 07 04:38:44 And doing it again. Feb 07 04:38:46 and again. Feb 07 04:38:58 until you freeze to death? Feb 07 04:39:12 Beer is your friend? Feb 07 04:39:41 ah. the amazing abilities of alcohol to make you think that it's not cold, you're an amazing dancer/singer and that you're invulnerable Feb 07 04:39:43 I dunno, I think I saw the same guy do the same run 4 times. Thats just plain crazy Feb 07 04:40:12 well...whilst you have been gone we have discovered a way to get cracking on programming with some speed. Feb 07 04:40:17 Cool Feb 07 04:40:26 I should go on more holidays then Feb 07 04:40:29 minimal HW and GPL software. Feb 07 04:40:35 ah? Feb 07 04:40:50 it would have gone faster had you been here. Feb 07 04:40:55 :) Feb 07 04:41:32 ah. i see what you're doing Feb 07 04:41:48 oh? are you reading logs? Feb 07 04:41:51 The FTDI chip being some sort of programmable uC with USB support? Feb 07 04:41:53 No. Wiki Feb 07 04:42:10 the FTDI chip is a USB to serial converter Feb 07 04:42:18 Okay... Feb 07 04:42:22 What does the serial -> JTAG? Feb 07 04:42:30 Or you able to bitbang the JTAG interface? Feb 07 04:42:42 its 2 channel so one is programmed to be a USB to JTAG (it has a MPSSE module) Feb 07 04:43:10 ah okay Feb 07 04:43:19 and the other channel is programmed into FIFO mode which I will pick up with a CPLD and use to control voltages on the interface and pinouts. Feb 07 04:43:26 I keep forgetting what that acronym means. Feb 07 04:43:35 FIFO? Feb 07 04:43:43 or MPSSE Feb 07 04:43:49 Multi Protocol Synch Serial Engine Feb 07 04:43:53 Accordig to FTDI anyway Feb 07 04:44:00 thats the one. Feb 07 04:44:03 Many Pretty Super Skinny.... Feb 07 04:44:05 oh Feb 07 04:44:08 yeah that. Feb 07 04:44:22 The FTDI chip isn't programmable then. Everything seems to exist on the PC side? Feb 07 04:44:49 for starters we will use our own *hosts* to drive it. Feb 07 04:45:12 eventually moving to embedded boxes that are programmed to do debugging. Feb 07 04:45:22 (using the same USB = jtag dongle. Feb 07 04:45:29 Embedded boxes? Feb 07 04:46:07 NSLU2 for instance... Feb 07 04:46:11 ah right okay Feb 07 04:46:22 telnet NSLU2; put something.img Feb 07 04:46:32 jtag_put Feb 07 04:46:40 or some other such creative name. Feb 07 04:47:17 anybody tried this yet? :) Feb 07 04:47:21 or setup a trap on the JTAG lines and watch for it..when it comes in report back over telnet. Feb 07 04:48:05 anybody tried what yet? Feb 07 04:48:32 Tried it out with the FTDI chip Feb 07 04:48:51 we just cooked up this hairbrained scheme friday nite...I was up half the bloody night not able to sleep thinking about how to implement it. Feb 07 04:49:00 heh Feb 07 04:49:14 someone pointed out a serial-usb adapter that has the right part in it. Feb 07 04:49:27 if I can find one I'll try it. Feb 07 04:49:32 I'm just curious about how fast it can go Feb 07 04:49:34 (find one locally that is) Feb 07 04:49:43 5.6mb/sec Feb 07 04:49:45 Tell me what it is and I'll have a look here for one Feb 07 04:49:51 accordint to doco, it can to 1/2 the host speed. Feb 07 04:49:58 ah okay Feb 07 04:50:31 so setting the divisor to 0 should make it go at 5.5Mb/s. Feb 07 04:51:07 that is close to what I was hoping for...6mb/sec Feb 07 04:51:23 http://www.usbgear.com/USB-to-serial-adapter-cable/usb-serial-adapter.html Feb 07 04:51:38 Thats a rebadged *something*. Feb 07 04:51:47 so I was looking for one that looked like that. Feb 07 04:52:21 you need the dual one. Feb 07 04:52:28 that has the right chip Feb 07 04:52:45 Tiersten: FTDI is just up the road from you. Feb 07 04:53:52 Maybe he can h ook us up. Feb 07 04:54:10 (for < $7.5 USD/ea) Feb 07 04:54:25 up the road? Feb 07 04:54:26 just grab the 125 out of charing cross. Feb 07 04:57:09 Future Technology Devices International. Limited 373 Scotland Street, Glasgow G5 8QB, United Kingdom. Feb 07 04:57:18 heh Feb 07 04:57:25 Up the road for about 12 hours or so Feb 07 04:57:28 just pop on up there... Feb 07 04:57:42 Anything >2 hours is getting far for UK Feb 07 04:57:57 naw..on the 125 its only 7hrs Feb 07 04:58:32 so anything further than Birmingham is too far. Feb 07 04:58:50 I think anything north of London is far and I live in London :) Feb 07 04:59:18 I think nothing of hopping in the Car and heading to Las Vegas or San Francisco or San diego Feb 07 04:59:35 LV 8hrs, SF 6hrs, SD 5hrs Feb 07 04:59:38 Yeah but your country is rather bigger Feb 07 04:59:57 true...bout as big as my state. Feb 07 05:00:00 Dude, If I drive for 6hrs, I've driven around the island at least 3 times. Feb 07 05:00:00 You can put the entire island into your state Feb 07 05:00:04 heh Feb 07 05:00:26 Who needs to drive? Just stick your head out the window and shout Feb 07 05:00:28 I don't know if I want the orkneys Feb 07 05:00:43 or Mull. Feb 07 05:01:27 well...I've committed to designing and building a board for this little adventure. Feb 07 05:01:57 No UBE involving a USB->Serial dongle ripped apart with lots of wires everywhere connecting it to a CPLD? Feb 07 05:02:17 and the CPLD is Dead Bug Style. Feb 07 05:02:48 You found a 5V one for dyoung to have to wedge a 244 in there as well? ;) Feb 07 05:03:09 nope.... a *real* board with the CPLD and FTDI + the correct connectors. Feb 07 05:03:58 heh Feb 07 05:04:05 Where you going to get the FTDI chips though? Feb 07 05:04:05 kas11 found a '244 with boundry scan. Feb 07 05:04:25 there is a US distributer here in CA. Feb 07 05:04:29 uh? somebody actually designed a 244 chip with boundary scan?! Feb 07 05:04:36 TI Feb 07 05:04:36 Why?! Feb 07 05:04:51 Yeah but still.... Feb 07 05:04:59 who knows! Feb 07 05:05:15 We going to get a 7404 with full JTAG interface now? :) Feb 07 05:05:30 * ka6sox-away ducks. Feb 07 05:05:53 244? Feb 07 05:05:57 someone say 244? Feb 07 05:05:59 it'd be interesting to see a logic board with every chip wired up into a massive JTAG chai Feb 07 05:06:05 n Feb 07 05:06:46 something BCT8244 Feb 07 05:06:48 I"ve come close...over 50% of the board I'm working on is JTAG enabled. Feb 07 05:07:02 heh Feb 07 05:07:24 I've no idea what a BCT8244 is Feb 07 05:07:36 minimum quantity 50; but its still < $300USD Feb 07 05:08:54 http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/sn74bct8244a.html Feb 07 05:09:03 Tiersten, its the JTAG enabled '244 Feb 07 05:09:06 ah Feb 07 05:09:31 makes sense now Feb 07 05:09:39 in an odd sorta way. Feb 07 05:09:57 It's so you can add boundary scan to some random device/chip Feb 07 05:09:58 okay its 5:09am here and I haven't been to bed yet. Feb 07 05:10:05 Go to bed! Feb 07 05:10:09 Or fly here Feb 07 05:10:16 It's 13:10 Feb 07 05:11:25 by the time I got there it would be 9:30 Feb 07 05:11:58 But you'd be sorted for tomorrow morning :) Feb 07 05:12:17 true. Feb 07 05:13:32 Got my mac mini now Feb 07 05:13:57 wow...all of us are getting them. Feb 07 05:14:18 It's the slower one though. The UK Apple store don't have any of the faster ones Feb 07 05:14:39 No wifi, bluetooth or superdrive as I don't need it Feb 07 05:14:55 Not that I had the option anyway :) Not without waiting another 4 weeks for it to appear in stock Feb 07 05:15:01 true. Feb 07 05:15:04 enjoy! Feb 07 05:15:05 I have a mini now too Feb 07 05:15:13 The XP machine bit it. Feb 07 05:15:17 so I got a Mini. Feb 07 05:15:19 if you have OSX questions I'll be happy to sort them out. Feb 07 05:15:21 Thats all ka6sox's fault. Feb 07 05:15:26 heh Feb 07 05:15:29 Soo.... who wants to use a mini as a JTAG debugger? :) Feb 07 05:15:37 I do! Feb 07 05:15:45 it *can* be done. Feb 07 05:15:49 I got the slower one too Feb 07 05:15:54 ka6sox told me it was quieter. Feb 07 05:15:55 so did I. Feb 07 05:16:01 It'd be the first JTAG debugger with a UI that doesn't look nasty Feb 07 05:16:06 You can overclock it Feb 07 05:16:10 yeah Feb 07 05:16:14 lol! Feb 07 05:16:14 I'm not going to. Feb 07 05:16:20 Not tried with mine and don't know about the temperature issues Feb 07 05:16:23 jacques pointed out a link to that. Feb 07 05:16:31 but I like my quiet fan. Feb 07 05:16:38 I gotta get some sleep..you guys are getting me going. Feb 07 05:16:44 heh Feb 07 05:16:45 Night Feb 07 05:16:46 Unless i import a 700MB AVI file in which case it gets REAL noisy. Feb 07 05:16:49 nite! Feb 07 05:16:52 night. Feb 07 05:16:55 y Feb 07 05:16:58 thanks guys. Feb 07 05:17:14 Tiersten: when I make up the dongles do you want one? Feb 07 05:17:22 Sure Feb 07 05:17:44 very good....almost got 10...that is the min order. Feb 07 05:17:46 According to http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/prod/dialspace/town/pipexdsl/q/aqza37/macmini/index.html 1.42GHz works fine and no noticeable temp increase Feb 07 05:17:52 (from the board house) Feb 07 05:17:56 wow, we have at least 5 users. Feb 07 05:18:23 I think we have 6 confirmed or maybe 7 Feb 07 05:18:25 I thought you were gonna bundle these with the other board? Feb 07 05:18:30 I'll check with kas tommorrow. Feb 07 05:18:59 me, you, tiersten, [g2], bewoolie, prpplague.... Feb 07 05:19:15 jacques would probably be interested. Feb 07 05:19:25 to avoid the 45min penalty. Feb 07 05:19:31 Assuming they're not too wildly expensive, I'll take a couple to make up the minimum order quantity Feb 07 05:19:34 45 minute penalty?? Feb 07 05:19:53 45minute penalty to write a nslu2 bootloader. Feb 07 05:19:57 heh Feb 07 05:20:01 when you stuff it up. ;-) Feb 07 05:20:08 Only if you're doing RedBoot Feb 07 05:20:12 ooh Feb 07 05:20:13 for proto I'm trying to get them <$50 Feb 07 05:20:20 Bewoolie here has a 16k bootloader Feb 07 05:20:27 I need to ask jacques if he is interested. Feb 07 05:20:43 if we say jacuqes enough he'll reply Feb 07 05:20:55 as his computer is going "bink! Bink! bink!" Feb 07 05:20:55 bing Feb 07 05:21:08 heh Feb 07 05:21:15 lol! Feb 07 05:21:16 I turned that feature off in the end Feb 07 05:21:23 everythign is funny at this hour. Feb 07 05:21:33 0321 HST. Feb 07 05:21:36 You lot kept going on "I wonder if Tiersten is around. Maybe Tiersten is here... or maybe Tiersten isn't..." Feb 07 05:21:36 Time to Sleep Feb 07 05:21:39 and it went bing bing bing Feb 07 05:21:50 Both of you go to sleep! Feb 07 05:22:01 Yes sir. Feb 07 05:22:09 back +8hrs. Feb 07 05:22:14 Yes Sir! Three Bags full! Feb 07 05:22:18 :) Feb 07 05:22:32 back in 2.5hrs Feb 07 05:22:38 2.5? Feb 07 05:22:57 I have a Dermatologist appointment tommorrow at 9am. Feb 07 05:23:01 ah Feb 07 05:23:15 get them to do something about the bags under your eyes from only sleeping 2.5 hours :) Feb 07 05:23:23 anyway, shoo before it's only 2 hours! Feb 07 05:23:28 thanks Feb 07 05:23:40 if you see jacques ask him if he wants to play. Feb 07 05:23:44 k Feb 07 05:23:55 ttfn Feb 07 05:24:00 Bye Feb 07 05:24:12 ttfn? Feb 07 05:24:16 talk to.... ?? Feb 07 05:24:19 ta ta for now Feb 07 05:24:26 oh. Feb 07 05:24:27 heh Feb 07 05:25:00 hmm. the service manual for the mini has been leaked Feb 07 05:25:10 you want it? Feb 07 05:25:13 we have it. Feb 07 05:25:16 I've got it :) Feb 07 05:25:20 Just downloaded it Feb 07 05:25:24 cool Feb 07 05:25:31 and don't forget the special *tool" Feb 07 05:25:35 I have it on a ka6sox machine. Feb 07 05:25:35 heh Feb 07 05:25:46 I cant believe theres a apple part number for the "tool". Feb 07 05:26:01 I actually found the one! Feb 07 05:26:07 Nice of them to tell you how to sharpen your own putty knife if you don't want to buy the super special Apple branded presharpened one :) Feb 07 05:26:08 okay im' gone...poof Feb 07 05:26:14 "But if you didnt buy the tool, get a putty knife and sharpen it as shown in figure x" Feb 07 05:26:30 yeah Feb 07 05:26:43 Tiersten, did you take yours apart yet? Feb 07 05:26:53 Nope. Not yet Feb 07 05:26:58 I'm not THAT bad. Give me a day or so :) Feb 07 05:27:08 are you going to run it on OSX or Linux? Feb 07 05:27:12 Adding 512MB was the best thing I ever did. Feb 07 05:27:21 OSX probably Feb 07 05:27:25 adding 1GB is even better. Feb 07 05:27:27 :) Feb 07 05:27:45 the 1GB Module is $220 now from crucial. Feb 07 05:27:47 yeah. the 256MB that comes with it from all accounts is inadquate Feb 07 05:27:53 totally Feb 07 05:28:06 bah...going to sleep. Feb 07 05:28:10 nite all! Feb 07 05:28:39 tiersten, fink is your friend. Feb 07 05:29:44 I think I popped my mini open within 4 hours of buying it. ;-) Feb 07 05:30:33 :) Feb 07 05:30:53 I don't know why I'm so restrained this time around. Usually I've cracked it open just after I power it up Feb 07 05:31:02 On occasion, I've opened things before powering it up... Feb 07 05:31:02 I was a bit suprised at how much force I had to apply to the putty knife to m ake it come apart. Feb 07 05:31:20 I almost took it apart before initial power on. Feb 07 05:31:25 Looks like there are quite a lot of clips holding it together Feb 07 05:31:40 but these guys talked me out of that. So I turned it on first. Feb 07 05:31:45 heh Feb 07 05:32:10 Yeah, numerous little fiddly clips. Feb 07 05:32:24 putting it back together is kind of a pain. Feb 07 05:33:51 nighty. Feb 07 05:33:52 night Feb 07 09:51:44 * beewoolie-away yawns Feb 07 10:04:54 beewoolie: argh that lineo blob patch sucks Feb 07 10:44:35 Tiersten: ping Feb 07 10:48:04 ? Feb 07 10:48:17 just checking in on you and mini. Feb 07 10:48:25 ah. not done anything with it today Feb 07 10:48:29 Still clearing my email backlog Feb 07 10:48:45 oh...I don't blame you. Feb 07 10:48:46 Mailing lists accounted for nearly 2000 emails Feb 07 10:49:02 thank god for procmail... Feb 07 11:08:06 sor that spam! Feb 07 11:08:29 Yeah. I use spamassassin Feb 07 11:08:45 same here Feb 07 11:09:07 Apparently dspam is better Feb 07 11:09:27 * ka6sox wonders if it works with Qmail. Feb 07 11:09:46 dunno. I use postfix Feb 07 11:12:14 its amazing what you get with the Slug...ethernet/2ea USB2 and if you are willing to slightly hack...JTAG and Serial. Feb 07 11:13:38 Not sure you can call JTAG a feature for interfacing to other equipment Feb 07 11:21:10 probably not. Feb 07 11:43:40 prpplague: you got it. Feb 07 11:45:07 ka6sox: the slug is pretty compelling. I'm thinking of replacing my one big server with a couple of these to handle the internet facing services. spares are cheap:-) Feb 07 11:46:44 yep Feb 07 11:52:57 beewoolie: currently reworking them Feb 07 11:53:55 prpplague: I'm adding CF support to APEX. Feb 07 12:32:30 beewoolie: lovely Feb 07 12:32:40 beewoolie: you gonna use fat fs? Feb 07 12:33:14 prpplague: first thing is to get the cf driver. The fs drivers will sit on top of that. I haven't looked at the available fat code, but it is a good best since I know it is simple. Feb 07 12:33:41 beewoolie: yea, the fat stuff is pretty easy Feb 07 12:33:51 beewoolie: i just finished testing my mmc code Feb 07 12:34:08 prpplague: did you write a driver for apex? Feb 07 12:34:43 beewoolie: negative Feb 07 12:34:54 beewoolie: still haven't been able to boot apex on our 79520 board Feb 07 12:35:23 It's probably a RAM init issue. If you'd like to send me one, I'll take a look. Feb 07 12:36:00 i doubt the boss would go for that, thanks anyway Feb 07 12:36:57 beewoolie: we'll either be going with a custom bootloader or with blob Feb 07 12:38:34 beewoolie: just too many issues that would need to be resolved with apex Feb 07 12:44:37 <[g2]> beewoolie, ping Feb 07 12:44:47 [g2]: gnop Feb 07 12:44:57 [g2]: what up dog Feb 07 12:45:03 <[g2]> :), can a bug you with a simple kernel startup question ? Feb 07 12:45:10 certainly. Feb 07 12:45:12 <[g2]> thx Feb 07 12:45:49 <[g2]> I've changed ZRELADDR to the proper place, but it appears that after uncompressing the kernel hangs Feb 07 12:45:58 <[g2]> no other output comes out Feb 07 12:46:15 Hmm... Let me look at something... Feb 07 12:46:39 <[g2]> so I'm wondering if the serial device in my kernel is wrong (which may be possible) or if there is something relating to the start address that needs to be tweaked Feb 07 12:47:16 [g2]: There are lots of ways to attack this. First, there is a special serial device used befor ethe kernel boots Feb 07 12:47:26 I think it's in debug.S or head.S. Feb 07 12:47:48 <[g2]> I saw the #if DEBUG stuff in head.S Feb 07 12:47:58 If you are seeing the Uncompressing.... then the decompressor must have a valid UART setup Feb 07 12:48:17 That's where the other one is. In the decompressor. Feb 07 12:48:22 <[g2]> RedBoot> exec Feb 07 12:48:22 <[g2]> Using base address 0x00218000 and length 0x0009991c Feb 07 12:48:22 <[g2]> Uncompressing Linux........................................... done, booting the kernel. Feb 07 12:48:27 <[g2]> that's what I see Feb 07 12:48:36 Usually, then, the problem is that the kernel isn't able to start for some othe rreason. Feb 07 12:48:40 What is the target? Feb 07 12:49:01 <[g2]> 920T based it's a CIRRUS ep9302 Feb 07 12:49:32 OK ZRELADDRESS must be the base address of the executing kernel. Where is RAM on it? Feb 07 12:49:34 <[g2]> I've got a running kernel but I'm trying to mix and match kernels Feb 07 12:49:52 You said you changed ZRELADDRESS. Why? Feb 07 12:50:19 <[g2]> because its different between the Cirrus dev board and this board Feb 07 12:50:33 Can you be more specific? Feb 07 12:51:13 <[g2]> by two boards are a Cirrus 9301 dev board, and a ts-7200 which is a 9302 Feb 07 12:51:31 Let me more precise. Why change the kernel base address? Feb 07 12:51:55 <[g2]> the embeddedarm ppl tweaked the layout of stuff from the reference design so it doesn't match Feb 07 12:52:19 <[g2]> they load there kernel at the different address Feb 07 12:52:32 There ought not ever be a reson to move the kernel in memory....as you probably know. Feb 07 12:52:32 <[g2]> 0x218000 versus 0x8000 Feb 07 12:53:02 Ah, now that's probably a real issue. That means that memory has moved. It is important to make sure that ram is where you think it should be. Feb 07 12:53:33 0x8000 is the standard kernel offset because it gives room for the page tables. Feb 07 12:53:39 <[g2]> beewoolie, nod. nod. Feb 07 12:53:57 <[g2]> I'm probably not relocating the RAM base addr properly Feb 07 12:53:58 You moved the kernel to 0x21800000? Feb 07 12:54:14 <[g2]> 0x02180000 Feb 07 12:55:12 Hmm. that seems odd. Feb 07 12:55:24 Where is SDRAM? Feb 07 12:55:43 <[g2]> I'll have to check Feb 07 12:56:00 You cannot change the relocation address without telling the kernel to link at that address. Feb 07 12:56:33 In other words, textaddr should be the same. Feb 07 12:56:34 <[g2]> I just patched the ZRELADDR and built with that Feb 07 12:56:52 check the load address of the kernel with readelf. Feb 07 12:57:00 <[g2]> nod. Feb 07 12:57:11 <[g2]> Okay. THX Feb 07 12:57:23 Do you have JTAG? Feb 07 12:57:29 <[g2]> no. Feb 07 12:57:39 <[g2]> not yet, that'd be pretty helpful :) Feb 07 12:58:08 You can do a lot with an led and lots of patience. And, you can save heaps of time with a good jtag emulator. Feb 07 12:58:50 <[g2]> nod. Feb 07 13:02:31 heh Feb 07 13:02:42 ka6sox: you know what I'm sayin Feb 07 13:03:01 yep Feb 07 13:03:11 headed out to a quick lunch Feb 07 13:03:33 [g2], are you working with a ts7200 or that ts7250 ? Feb 07 13:11:27 <[g2]> dyoung-zzzz, ts-7200 Feb 07 13:11:33 <[g2]> the 200Mhz 9302 Feb 07 13:11:46 <[g2]> i'm trying to test the maverick crunch stuff Feb 07 13:15:30 <[g2]> dyoung-zzzz, it's basically the same without the CF slot Feb 07 13:15:46 <[g2]> I think I've got the 16MB flash and 32MB memory Feb 07 13:21:03 prpplague: CF driver works. Now for fat. Feb 07 13:21:13 beewoolie: that was quick Feb 07 13:21:22 ;-) Feb 07 13:21:34 beewoolie: which platform are you using? Feb 07 13:21:40 prpplague: that's why I get the big bucks. Feb 07 13:21:49 prpplague: This is on the LPD79524. Feb 07 13:21:56 beewoolie: ahh Feb 07 13:22:43 prpplague: It's kinda wierd because of changes in the CPU. The CPU does some shenanigans with 16 bit memory regions such that it shifts the address lines once for 16 bit and twice for 32 bit. Feb 07 13:23:07 yea Feb 07 13:23:15 i've seen that on other platforms Feb 07 13:23:42 The hassle is that the LPD interface isn't wired correctly for this. Feb 07 13:24:08 In fact, LPD doesn't wire their interface correctly for anything. LEXAR cards, for example, don't work with their design. Feb 07 13:24:23 yea, i really don't like the lpd stuff Feb 07 13:24:42 prpplague: Does blob have a fat driveR? Feb 07 13:24:56 beewoolie: the latest cvs does based on the changelog Feb 07 13:25:10 What I've got doesn't. Feb 07 13:27:14 * prpplague looks Feb 07 13:27:44 ahh i mis read Feb 07 13:27:53 looks to be just ext2 Feb 07 13:29:03 yea, its ext2 not fat Feb 07 13:29:38 Well, fat is actually still useful. I think I'm going to start with that. Feb 07 13:32:50 beewoolie: yea, i was planning to go with fat as well Feb 07 13:34:02 beewoolie: any major changes between 1.0.16 and 1.0.19? Feb 07 13:34:15 I've been adding a lot of documentation Feb 07 13:34:36 when there's something really big, like fat, I'll roll the minor number. Feb 07 13:36:46 hmm, 1.0.19 doesn't even build for me Feb 07 13:40:32 beewoolie: you prefer doing you asm code from inside c? Feb 07 13:40:49 prpplague: what doesn't work in 1.0.19? Feb 07 13:41:29 prpplague: and yes, the asm inside the C code lets the compiler perform some optimization. It sometimes does some dumb things, but it's been, overall, better than I can do by hand. Feb 07 13:42:05 seems much harder to follow Feb 07 13:43:28 src/mach-lh7952x/cpuinfo.c: In function `cpuinfo_report': Feb 07 13:43:29 src/mach-lh7952x/cpuinfo.c:44: `BOOT_PBC' undeclared (first use in this function) Feb 07 13:43:29 src/mach-lh7952x/cpuinfo.c:44: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once Feb 07 13:43:29 src/mach-lh7952x/cpuinfo.c:44: for each function it appears in.) Feb 07 13:47:23 Looks like another missing constant. I really need to make a test target to build all targets... Feb 07 13:51:25 prpplague: try 1.0.20 Feb 07 13:53:02 ok Feb 07 13:53:54 prpplague: The cf driver is in there, but it doesn't have config data for the 79520. Feb 07 13:55:08 yea, it built that time Feb 07 13:59:21 dyoung-zzzz: are you really awake or just mumble? Feb 07 14:09:28 -around. Feb 07 14:11:58 ok Feb 07 14:31:30 <[g2]> dyoung-zzzz, Ok so the 7250 is NAND based and different that way :) Feb 07 14:32:17 yah Feb 07 14:32:27 Bigger is Better? Feb 07 14:35:23 <[g2]> just different, different price point and capabilities Feb 07 14:35:34 <[g2]> classic engineering trade-offs Feb 07 16:42:32 ka6sox I do want to play Feb 07 16:44:12 jacques, okay your on the list! Feb 07 16:44:31 thanks! Feb 07 16:56:55 BTW, I don't have my client beeping, tho is does change the color of the tab when someone says my name. Feb 07 16:58:41 dyoung-web, boing Feb 07 16:59:33 4-20ma Feb 07 16:59:43 quick and dirty way to get to 0-5V ? Feb 07 16:59:57 250ohm resistor? Feb 07 17:03:45 I think so..let me look again. Feb 07 17:04:04 most sources are 24V Feb 07 17:23:48 the ftdi stuff that I have is in openjtag cvs now and it seems open for business Feb 07 17:33:31 <[g2]> kas11, what's the module name ? Feb 07 17:33:43 <[g2]> ftdi didn't work :) Feb 07 17:33:47 openjtag Feb 07 17:35:56 <[g2]> does all that stuff build ? Feb 07 17:37:01 cvs and me don't get along very well...I prolly should have entered a better name on the import command line Feb 07 17:38:20 I have no idea...won't do exactly what we need to do anyhow since it isn't jtag specific...but it does give a reasonable starting point Feb 07 17:39:34 dyoung-web: did you get my answer? Feb 07 17:39:50 nope Feb 07 17:40:31 hmmm...let me check...I must not be licking it right. Feb 07 17:43:19 its 5/.02 Feb 07 17:52:07 I need hardware ;) Feb 07 17:53:58 <[g2]> kas11, do you have the USB Complete book ? Feb 07 17:55:40 no, I don't Feb 07 17:57:25 <[g2]> I haven't developed any usb drivers Feb 07 17:57:34 <[g2]> I've used a few though :) Feb 07 18:03:15 between the libusb and libftdi, I think we have what we need to talk to the h/w...jtag specific code perhaps from jtag-0.5.1 for the app Feb 07 18:04:11 at this point, it makes way more sense than it ought to...that may be my ignorance showing tho ;) Feb 07 18:04:16 pull it all together....toss it about. Feb 07 18:04:25 and add salad dressing. Feb 07 18:12:40 I like thousand island. Feb 07 18:13:39 Bleu Cheeze for me. Feb 07 18:14:26 I am more of a Ceasar salad sorta gal Feb 07 18:15:36 notice I didn't specify what kind of dressing... Feb 07 18:15:50 I must say I am getting warm, fuzzies from the code I am seeing Feb 07 18:16:02 saucey Feb 07 18:30:59 anyone else for adding a 50 cent rs232 interface to the dongle to do USB to Serial? Feb 07 18:36:57 okay I sucessfully checked out the openjtag module. Feb 07 18:46:24 Any verizon prl experts here/ Feb 07 18:57:24 kas11: whatever for? Feb 07 18:59:33 a good test of the code. Feb 07 19:07:21 I have various things around that have rs232 hardwired...raw serial will be available on the jtag connectors tho so it isn't a huge deal Feb 07 19:13:33 dyoung: I will do the release from home in an hour or 2..it isn't quite right (I missed somethings. Feb 07 19:13:43 back later **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 07 23:34:50 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 07 23:36:04 2005 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 07 23:40:37 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 07 23:42:03 2005 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 07 23:45:28 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 07 23:48:04 2005 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 07 23:59:56 2005