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Feb 13 12:00:14 <beewoolie> Ping?
Feb 13 12:02:24 <prpplague> ding
Feb 13 12:03:43 <beewoolie> Hey, prpplague 
Feb 13 12:03:51 <beewoolie> Do you know anything about poenslug firmware?
Feb 13 12:04:10 <beewoolie> I'm wondering if we can use ext3 filesystems on attached devices.
Feb 13 12:05:16 <prpplague> beewoolie: sorry not familair with the slug, i've not picked up one yet
Feb 13 12:05:30 <beewoolie> You should be kicked from the channel.
Feb 13 12:05:56 <prpplague> why? the channel topic is about open jtag tools and bootloaders
Feb 13 12:06:05 <prpplague> doesn't say anything about slug
Feb 13 12:09:30 <prpplague> beewoolie: btw, there is a post linuxdevices.com forum with someone wanting to know about linux support for the lh79524/5 support
Feb 13 12:10:30 * beewoolie still trying to get prplague to take a joke
Feb 13 12:12:18 <prpplague> ohhh, sorry
Feb 13 12:12:23 * prpplague is doped up
Feb 13 12:12:31 <prpplague> i have the flu and strep throat
Feb 13 12:12:32 <beewoolie> I don't see the posting.
Feb 13 12:13:42 <prpplague> http://www.linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=sbc&Post=293&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session=
Feb 13 12:16:34 <dyoung-zzzz> Its supposed to.
Feb 13 12:17:01 <prpplague> dyoung-zzzz: hey
Feb 13 12:17:09 <prpplague> dyoung-zzzz: whats cookin?
Feb 13 12:17:34 <dyoung-zzzz> beewoolie was asking earier if openslug is supposed to read/format ext3
Feb 13 12:17:49 <beewoolie> prpplague: Found it.  Replied.
Feb 13 12:18:02 <beewoolie> dyoung-zzzz: That was me.  Is it supported?
Feb 13 12:18:08 <prpplague> dyoung-zzzz: hehe, yea, "whats cookin?" is kind southern slang for "hows it going?"
Feb 13 12:18:36 <dyoung-zzzz> Whats not cookin' is my breakfast.
Feb 13 12:18:42 <dyoung-zzzz> damn I'm hungry.
Feb 13 12:19:07 <prpplague> hehe
Feb 13 12:19:50 <beewoolie> CHICKEN!
Feb 13 12:19:54 <prpplague> hmm, the schematic label "L" is for an inductor right?
Feb 13 12:19:56 * beewoolie likes chicken
Feb 13 12:20:18 <dyoung-zzzz> Bok Bok Bok.
Feb 13 12:20:30 <beewoolie> We're having trouble getting the openslug firmare to recognize an ext3 drive.
Feb 13 12:20:39 <beewoolie> prpplague: yeah.  henry's.
Feb 13 12:20:46 <dyoung-zzzz> Really?
Feb 13 12:20:49 <dyoung-zzzz> Interesting.
Feb 13 12:21:15 <dyoung-zzzz> beewoolie, Did my email make any sense?
Feb 13 12:21:29 <dyoung-zzzz> about enable-ing of the network interface...
Feb 13 12:21:30 <prpplague> hmm, is there a good way to measure the value for an inductor?
Feb 13 12:21:51 <dyoung-zzzz> with a inducto-meter??
Feb 13 12:22:07 <dyoung-zzzz> ok I made that up...
Feb 13 12:22:14 <dyoung-zzzz> usually with a LC meter.
Feb 13 12:22:40 <prpplague> nm, found http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/discuss.cgi?noframes;read=333510
Feb 13 12:26:14 <beewoolie> dyoung-zzzz: Yeah.  I replied to the email.  The funny thing is that the MHz rating doesn't seem to matter.
Feb 13 12:26:32 <beewoolie> I'll have to pour over the redboot code more carefully.
Feb 13 12:26:49 <dyoung-zzzz> Didnt check mail yet..  Checking..
Feb 13 12:26:58 <dyoung-zzzz> My main diagnostic for thath is the light doesnt coem on.
Feb 13 12:27:02 <beewoolie> prpplague: Inductors are frequency domain devices.
Feb 13 12:27:14 <prpplague> beewoolie: yea, reading about them now
Feb 13 12:27:15 <beewoolie> You can measure the device with a function generator.  
Feb 13 12:27:36 * prpplague runs to the store to grab a few pieces parts for hacking on juiceboc
Feb 13 12:27:39 <prpplague> bbiaf
Feb 13 12:28:55 <dyoung-zzzz> /dev/slug is how we trick the kernel into executing linuxrc before init.
Feb 13 12:29:25 <dyoung-zzzz> anything thats not ram0 would work.
Feb 13 12:30:35 <beewoolie> Hmm.  The kernel is supposed to execute linuxrc first.  You can pass a parameter to the kernel telling it the name of the init program.
Feb 13 12:30:47 <beewoolie> Something like init=/etc/linuxrc
Feb 13 12:31:09 <beewoolie> I'm getting this.
Feb 13 12:31:14 <beewoolie> VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev 08:10.
Feb 13 12:31:14 <beewoolie> FAT: bogus logical sector size 20487
Feb 13 12:31:32 <beewoolie> But the device is formatted ext3.
Feb 13 12:32:09 <dyoung-zzzz> redboot doesnt pass the cmdline properly.  /dev/slug exist(ed) for the unslung variant to help minimize the changes to the factory firmware.  Yes I know its kind of a hack.
Feb 13 12:32:21 <dyoung-zzzz> mount -t ext3 ... ?
Feb 13 12:32:53 <beewoolie> If we are using a new kernel, we can make it do the right thing.  Besides, we can set the init= parameter in the compiled-in command line.
Feb 13 12:33:03 <dyoung-zzzz> I agree.
Feb 13 12:33:34 <beewoolie> I can mount the device fine, but I want the slug to recognize it when I insert the USB drive.
Feb 13 12:33:51 <beewoolie> What I don't get is what is running this automounter.
Feb 13 12:34:08 <beewoolie> Is it USB_Detect?
Feb 13 12:36:54 <dyoung-zzzz> oh wait if you see USB_Detect, youre using Unslung or factory firmware.
Feb 13 12:37:27 <dyoung-zzzz> and in that case, the linksys firmware execpts the drive to be formatted a specific way.
Feb 13 12:37:52 <dyoung-zzzz> in which case you need to disable USB_Detect and various other things to make it mount a single partited drive.
Feb 13 12:41:17 <beewoolie> Right.  I just figured that out.  I think we'll put openslug on it.
Feb 13 12:52:35 <Tiersten> *yawn*
Feb 13 12:52:36 <Tiersten> Hi all
Feb 13 13:02:14 <ka6sox-away> morning Tiersten...first time I got up about the same time as you!
Feb 13 13:03:52 <Tiersten> got up?
Feb 13 13:03:55 <Tiersten> I've been up for about 12 hours
Feb 13 13:03:58 <Tiersten> I'm just yawning :)
Feb 13 13:04:46 <ka6sox-away> Tiersten, oh...
Feb 13 13:05:43 <dyoung-zzzz> Hmm, sitting here isnt making me any less hungry.
Feb 13 13:05:50 <dyoung-zzzz> maybe I should get up and get food.
Feb 13 13:07:20 <dyoung-zzzz> Compusa NSLU2 $80 AMIR.
Feb 13 13:07:30 <Tiersten> Whats the deal with MIR?
Feb 13 13:07:38 <Tiersten> Just sounds like a PITA
Feb 13 13:07:41 <dyoung-zzzz> $10 Linksys $10 Compusa.
Feb 13 13:07:45 <dyoung-zzzz> It is a PITA.
Feb 13 13:07:46 <Tiersten> Also I keep hearing of people who mail it in and then never get anything
Feb 13 13:07:52 <dyoung-zzzz> Right.
Feb 13 13:08:04 <dyoung-zzzz> because its up the person mailing it to harass the vendor.
Feb 13 13:08:12 <dyoung-zzzz> MIR is a big industry here.
Feb 13 13:08:40 <Tiersten> ahh
Feb 13 13:08:51 <Tiersten> they probably "accidently" lose a few rebates as well
Feb 13 13:08:52 <dyoung-zzzz> by floating the "rebate" money in slush fund there companies are making millions.
Feb 13 13:09:20 <dyoung-zzzz> Right, and there is an assumption that people will forget about that rebate they mailed in for 2 months ago.
Feb 13 13:09:26 <dyoung-zzzz> "May take up to 10 weeks"
Feb 13 13:10:12 <dyoung-zzzz> At that price, its still cheaper at amazon.
Feb 13 13:10:19 <Tiersten> and less hassle
Feb 13 13:18:04 <ka6sox-away> I wish I knew the sales numbers on the Slug...hope it doesnt' go away for a while (unless it gets improved)
Feb 13 13:28:04 <Tiersten> on a side note, I was reading an article in a AV magazine and they mentioned a bunch of other NAS devices
Feb 13 13:28:15 <Tiersten> A lot of the other ones seem to run Windows for embedded devices (soemthing like that)
Feb 13 13:28:58 <Tiersten> I think they mentioned the NAS boxes from iomega, dell and somebody else
Feb 13 13:29:12 <Tiersten> I'm curious about the big linksys NAS which has HDs in it actually
Feb 13 13:29:26 <Tiersten> Wonder if it's based on the same platform as the NSLU2.  Quite a bit more expensive however
Feb 13 13:32:06 <dyoung-zzzz> the somehting something 80?
Feb 13 13:32:24 <Tiersten> dunno.  it's a big cube thing but I can't find it on their website anymore
Feb 13 13:32:38 <Tiersten> http://www.linksys.com/products/
Feb 13 13:32:43 <Tiersten> the pic in the NAS icon
Feb 13 13:32:55 <dyoung-zzzz> EPG80 I think it was?
Feb 13 13:33:01 <Tiersten> but they don't have anything in that section that looks like that
Feb 13 13:33:02 <dyoung-zzzz> That one is linux based.
Feb 13 13:33:07 <Tiersten> possibly
Feb 13 13:33:12 <Tiersten> The others are EFG120 and EFG250
Feb 13 13:34:06 <dyoung-zzzz> the EFG120 has a linux source package in their GPL Section
Feb 13 13:34:11 <Tiersten> ah
Feb 13 13:34:14 <dyoung-zzzz> http://www.linksys.com/support/gpl.asp
Feb 13 13:34:38 <Tiersten> still not released R29 it seems
Feb 13 13:36:25 <Tiersten> gah.  14th feb tomorrow
Feb 13 13:40:37 <dyoung-zzzz> What an Evil Day.
Feb 13 13:42:54 <Tiersten> Yep
Feb 13 13:42:59 <Tiersten> An evil money draining day
Feb 13 13:46:11 <jacques> not for those of us who are single :-)
Feb 13 13:46:23 <Tiersten> heh
Feb 13 13:47:31 <dyoung-zzzz> I'm part of that club too; but it doesnt make the day any less evil.  
Feb 13 13:47:57 <dyoung-zzzz> At least we dont have to pay the $$ penalty.
Feb 13 13:48:26 <jacques> the $$ is the least of it in my experience  :-\
Feb 13 13:49:15 <dyoung-zzzz> mornign [g2]
Feb 13 13:49:45 <[g2]> hey alternate-bootloader :)
Feb 13 13:50:21 <[g2]> dyoung-zzzz, You know what we *REALLY* need to do now :)
Feb 13 13:50:34 <dyoung-zzzz> Uh...
Feb 13 13:50:38 <dyoung-zzzz> wake up?
Feb 13 13:50:45 <[g2]> switch to the proper machine id, and boot Unslung and OpenSlug :)
Feb 13 13:52:25 <Tiersten> :p
Feb 13 13:52:35 <Tiersten> I've got to pay the tax
Feb 13 13:55:38 <[g2]> Tiersten, did you load APEX too ?
Feb 13 13:55:56 <Tiersten> Nah.  I'm talking about the valentine's day tax not the reflashing tax :)
Feb 13 13:56:08 <ka6sox-away> Valentine's day Tax?
Feb 13 13:56:12 <Tiersten> yeah
Feb 13 13:56:15 <Tiersten> $$$$
Feb 13 13:56:28 <ka6sox-away> Sending flowers and candy?
Feb 13 13:56:35 <Tiersten> Dinner and all that
Feb 13 13:56:44 <ka6sox-away> oh.
Feb 13 13:56:46 <Tiersten> I should try APEX at some point.  I'll have to get the BDI from work though
Feb 13 13:56:49 <[g2]> hey at least you have a girlfriend !
Feb 13 13:57:17 <ka6sox-away> I took my wife out Friday.
Feb 13 13:57:23 <ka6sox-away> probalby Monday too.
Feb 13 13:57:47 <[g2]> We went out today
Feb 13 14:07:21 <dyoung> VDT.
Feb 13 14:07:26 <dyoung> is that sorta like VAT?
Feb 13 14:08:20 <ka6sox-away> yeah..something like that
Feb 13 14:08:39 * prpplague returns
Feb 13 14:14:13 <kas11> for you mac mini types, there is a decent article about dual booting debian linked on /.
Feb 13 14:14:28 <Tiersten> ya.  saw it before.  /. is being slow :)
Feb 13 14:14:49 <ka6sox> mmmm...mini
Feb 13 14:14:57 <Tiersten> mmmm... overclocked mini....
Feb 13 14:15:48 <ka6sox> as long as it isn't a wimpy's mini
Feb 13 14:16:05 <Tiersten> wimpy's mini?
Feb 13 14:16:14 * kas11 still waiting for G5 upgrade
Feb 13 14:17:38 <ka6sox> we had some little mini burgers when I was in surrey in 1993
Feb 13 14:17:46 <Tiersten> ohh
Feb 13 14:17:50 <Tiersten> Wimpy as in the fast food place
Feb 13 14:17:51 * kas11 expects to look like Smurfette whilst holding breath for same
Feb 13 14:17:57 <ka6sox> yes
Feb 13 14:19:12 <kas11> ka6sox dongle progressing?
Feb 13 14:19:39 <ka6sox> this weekend I was at a linux conference being a Slug Evangelist.
Feb 13 14:20:56 <kas11> it take that as a *rsn* ;)
Feb 13 14:21:28 <ka6sox> I'm finishing up a board for dyoung and then its next up on the plate.
Feb 13 14:22:56 <kas11> n/p...just curious...
Feb 13 14:24:16 <kas11> I am still considering the implications of fiddling with the Digilent board...what happens when you brick your jtag interface?
Feb 13 14:26:04 <ka6sox> then you are in trouble (but shouldnt' happen much)
Feb 13 14:29:23 <kas11> no telling what I can break when I make a serious effort...fxload and friends are way too tempting
Feb 13 14:30:40 <Tiersten> Brick the JTAG interface?  As in the CPLD or the FTDI chip?
Feb 13 14:31:59 <kas11> the Digilent board has a 68013 on it with an unknown eeprom
Feb 13 14:36:09 <kas11> EzUSB doesn't see it though...and I am curious to see what makes it tick...too curious for my own good
Feb 13 14:37:35 <Tiersten> Whats 68013?
Feb 13 14:38:35 <kas11> CY7C68013...a Cypress Ez USB FX2 chip
Feb 13 14:38:58 <Tiersten> Ohh
Feb 13 14:40:08 <kas11> I'm curious to know if the s/w is really in the eeprom or is downloaded as needed
Feb 13 14:41:04 <Tiersten> I thought the Cypress USB uCs were programmed at manufacture?
Feb 13 14:42:21 <kas11> from what I've read, the preferred way to deal with them is to have s/w in the driver downloaded...makes for an easy undate
Feb 13 14:42:33 <Tiersten> ah.  not looked too closely
Feb 13 14:44:49 <kas11> but the internal 8051 is programmable...I just don't want to muck about too much without being sure I can restore the default configuration
Feb 13 14:45:26 <Tiersten> Tried asking digilent?
Feb 13 14:45:32 <kas11> Digilent only supplied Windows s/w and dlls for it...not of much interest to me
Feb 13 14:45:41 <Tiersten> Whats the USB chip for anyway?
Feb 13 14:46:12 <kas11> g2 talked with them...I didn't get the impression they were terribly forthcoming about it
Feb 13 14:46:20 <kas11> USB to jtag
Feb 13 14:48:29 <kas11> works fine with Digilent s/w...but the Xilinx tools don't see it...pita for have to genrerate the files and then switch...and they support slightly different file formats...it works but isn't convenient
Feb 13 14:50:45 <Tiersten> ah yeah.  they won't release stuff about that
Feb 13 14:50:53 <Tiersten> they sell it as a cable as well I think
Feb 13 14:52:06 <kas11> uh huh...I expect the cable is very similar if not functionally identical
Feb 13 14:52:48 <Tiersten> probably the same but just with the chip on a tiny PCB
Feb 13 14:55:41 <kas11> yep....the cable just needs the 68013, the eeprom and dampers...USB connector would take up more board space that the rest of the stuff
Feb 13 16:44:46 <beewoolie> Tiersten: We're not yet ready to be running APEX.  Apparently, there is some init for the NPE that the boot loader needs to do.
Feb 13 16:46:24 <Tiersten> Oh.  I wasn't going to run it properly.  Just to test and play about with it.
Feb 13 16:48:27 <beewoolie> Do you have a BDI with xscale fw?
Feb 13 16:48:43 <Tiersten> Afraid not
Feb 13 16:48:53 <Tiersten> Got access to a BDI but not with the XScale firmware
Feb 13 16:48:56 <ka6sox> I do.
Feb 13 16:49:04 <ka6sox> but time is very short for me right now.
Feb 13 16:49:11 <ka6sox> so I need to do targetted things.
Feb 13 16:49:26 <beewoolie> You do?  I wonder if there is a way for me to ...borrow...the xscale fw for the BDI?
Feb 13 16:50:36 <beewoolie> It would make it really easy for me to finish APEX.
Feb 13 16:51:13 <ka6sox> dunno about that..would have to ask work.
Feb 13 16:51:47 <Tiersten> Only so much you can do with the blinking LED debugging method ;0
Feb 13 16:51:53 <Tiersten> ;)
Feb 13 16:52:28 <beewoolie> We've gotten pretty far with what we've got.  I've added some serial port debug code, too, but it looks like it's messed up the register allocation.
Feb 13 16:52:57 <beewoolie> ka6sox: Any help will be appreciated.
Feb 13 16:53:16 <ka6sox> okay.
Feb 13 16:54:20 <ka6sox> dyoung: ping
Feb 13 16:54:41 <ka6sox> I'm trying to get a layout done today and partially suceeding.
Feb 13 17:21:40 <beewoolie> ka6sox: nice
Feb 13 17:24:06 <ka6sox> the Linux Desktop isn't quite there...after playing with OSX for so long.
Feb 13 17:24:20 <ka6sox> is Win95 imho.
Feb 13 17:24:31 <ka6sox> s/is/its
Feb 13 17:44:25 <beewoolie> Have you all seen this?  http://www.wxplotter.com/ft_nq.php
Feb 13 17:44:35 <beewoolie> I'll tell you my score after you've taken it.
Feb 13 18:50:38 <ka6sox> weird...92%...I don't consider myself *that* nerdy!
Feb 13 19:34:32 <ka6sox> bewoolie: 92%
Feb 13 19:43:17 <ka6sox> rather beewoolie-away: 92%
Feb 13 19:50:29 <beewoolie-away> 92% complete on the schematic
Feb 13 19:50:32 <beewoolie-away> ?
Feb 13 19:52:13 <ka6sox> on your link
Feb 13 19:53:42 <kas11> gawd...I knew this place was a bad influence
Feb 13 19:55:23 <kas11> it was prolly knowing Mn that did me in
Feb 13 20:01:00 <ka6sox> I'mm sure it was.
Feb 13 20:01:34 <ka6sox> enjoying this Albanian Merlot...
Feb 13 20:04:40 <kas11> that it should be "Supreme Nerd Goddess" only adds to my resentment ;)
Feb 13 20:05:22 <ka6sox> what percentage kas11?
Feb 13 20:05:29 <kas11> 95
Feb 13 20:05:59 <kas11> I am enjoying some of Juan Valdez's finest
Feb 13 20:06:26 <kas11> but only cuz i am out of DDP
Feb 13 20:06:40 <ka6sox> I'm enjoying some of Meritan Baraku's finest
Feb 13 20:08:00 * ka6sox looks over at the stack of Cases of DDP in my larder
Feb 13 20:08:05 <kas11> altho I haven't seem juan in years...perhaps the cocaine mafia shot him alone with the rest
Feb 13 20:08:34 <kas11> email me over  one, pleeeeease ;)...I am in withdrawal
Feb 13 20:10:13 <kas11> ....maybe if I had lied about my age...this is disturbing and perplexing
Feb 13 20:10:24 <beewoolie-away> Ah.  Ok.  I got 97%.
Feb 13 20:10:36 <ka6sox> you and I are in the same catagory age wise.
Feb 13 20:11:06 <kas11> Beewoolie is indeed an ubergeek ;)
Feb 13 20:11:16 <ka6sox> notice I didn't say *which* group.
Feb 13 20:11:29 <beewoolie-away> I think I know how to get a higher score.  I can't help thinking about it.
Feb 13 20:11:42 <beewoolie-away> It's my competitive nature.
Feb 13 20:11:59 <kas11> I checked 'already taking a long dirt nap" for the age category
Feb 13 20:12:20 <beewoolie-away> I'm gonna sine off so I can make my way home.  
Feb 13 20:12:22 <beewoolie-away> tee hee
Feb 13 20:12:27 <ka6sox> bye beewoolie-away 
Feb 13 20:12:33 <beewoolie-away> Gotta get that NPE initialized.
Feb 13 20:12:35 <ka6sox> drive safe
Feb 13 20:12:37 <beewoolie-away> ttfn
Feb 13 20:12:43 <kas11> I was going for a low score...I even admitted that the office was clean
Feb 13 20:13:52 <kas11> poor guy as been sucked into the ixp morass
Feb 13 20:29:48 <ka6sox> yeah..
Feb 13 20:44:01 <ka6sox> does anybody have any knowledge about Athlon64?
Feb 13 20:46:39 <kas11> I have one...but I have never struggled thru the stack of .pdfs i have
Feb 13 20:47:31 <kas11> I am running i386 stuff on it now...it is a very fast x86
Feb 13 20:49:16 <kas11> I dual booted FC2 for a while but ended up not using the x86-64 side much cuz plugins didn't work, libs had a tendency to get confused, etc...
Feb 13 20:51:57 <dyoung> pong
Feb 13 20:55:42 <dyoung> holy crap
Feb 13 20:55:53 <dyoung> my nerd score was 96.
Feb 13 20:56:41 <kas11> I'm feeling better now ;)
Feb 13 21:30:49 <ka6sox> Merlot in a Sippy Cup...unspillable.
Feb 13 21:30:50 <ka6sox> :)
Feb 13 22:00:16 <dyoung> anyone have a part cross reference handy?
Feb 13 22:00:21 <dyoung> TOP225Y ?
Feb 13 22:10:19 <ka6sox> looking..is this part dead?
Feb 13 22:16:04 <dyoung> let the smoke out.
Feb 13 22:16:19 <dyoung> I'm nearly positive this is it.
Feb 13 22:16:24 <dyoung> the only thing that is.
Feb 13 22:16:34 <dyoung> Thi is fro a Proxima SV1
Feb 13 22:16:58 <dyoung> I think its the front end for the SMPS and may provide switching too.
Feb 13 22:23:16 <ka6sox> okay
Feb 13 22:26:32 <dyoung> Power Integration Inc.  TopSwitch-II family - 3 terminal off line PWM Switch.
Feb 13 22:26:48 <dyoung> It sounds expensive.
Feb 13 22:28:48 <ka6sox> shouldn't be
Feb 13 22:29:01 <ka6sox> maybe $8 or so..looking at alternatives.
Feb 13 22:30:56 <dyoung> tahnks,  I cant find a source!
Feb 13 23:45:32 <ka6sox> no second source that I was able to find here...but I have better manuals in my Lab.
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