**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 09 23:59:56 2005
Mar 10 02:07:36 <beewoolie-away> Tiersten_: ping?
Mar 10 02:12:48 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: hye
Mar 10 02:12:50 <prpplague> hey
Mar 10 02:12:54 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: whats cookin?
Mar 10 02:13:05 <beewoolie-away> prpplague: Started on the BSP portion of the show.
Mar 10 02:13:39 <beewoolie-away> prpplague: Also, you may notice that I eliminated all of the redudndant nor flash code and am using a single driver for all of them.
Mar 10 02:14:26 <beewoolie-away> prpplague: How bout with you?
Mar 10 02:17:28 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: still hacking away at the mmc/spi stuff
Mar 10 02:17:57 <beewoolie-away> Is it working?
Mar 10 02:18:05 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: on of our 79520 board layouts had a bad mmc socket layout
Mar 10 02:18:20 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: yea sorta
Mar 10 02:18:30 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: i'm able to read data off the card
Mar 10 02:18:37 <beewoolie-away> Cool.
Mar 10 02:18:43 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: but haven't added the hooks for the fat fs yet
Mar 10 02:18:58 <beewoolie-away> Does the mmc card have a partition table?
Mar 10 02:19:09 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: yea
Mar 10 02:19:53 <beewoolie-away> Ah.  Then it should be cake.
Mar 10 02:20:11 <beewoolie-away> Just change the string in the fat driver to say mmc: instead of cf:
Mar 10 02:20:46 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: but i need to have the same function calls
Mar 10 02:21:14 * prpplague checks for the latest apex version
Mar 10 02:21:16 <beewoolie-away> Huh?  There are only four.  open, read, wrote, close, seek.  OK, five.
Mar 10 02:21:37 <prpplague> right, gotta add those so they are the same as the cf
Mar 10 02:21:59 <beewoolie-away> all drivers use the same calls.
Mar 10 02:22:17 <prpplague> right
Mar 10 13:09:02 <ka6sox-office> purl seen dyoung-web
Mar 10 13:09:04 <purl> dyoung-web <www-data@dyoung.nslu2-linux> was last seen on IRC in channel #openjtag, 3d 1h 18m 35s ago, saying: '"Keeping the woman waiting is like asking for death".'.
Mar 10 15:19:01 <ka6sox-away> ~seen jacques
Mar 10 15:19:02 <qbot> jacques is currently on #openjtag
Mar 10 15:19:03 <purl> jacques is currently on #openjtag #intimate #nslu2-linux #oe #elinux #handhelds.org
Mar 10 15:19:16 <ka6sox-away> what..not idling?
Mar 10 15:19:25 <ka6sox-away> ~lart qbot
Mar 10 15:19:25 * purl tries to shut qbot up
Mar 10 15:19:26 * qbot whacks ka6sox-away with the cluebat
Mar 10 15:20:57 * kas11 whacks qbot and purl for disturbing her slumber
Mar 10 15:22:25 * kas11 thinks it sad when one is so easily entertained by bots
Mar 10 15:24:16 <jacques> ka6sox-away, looking for me?
Mar 10 15:26:26 <ka6sox-away> hi there.
Mar 10 15:26:47 <ka6sox-away> I have a question about Shuttles...
Mar 10 15:27:41 <ka6sox-away> I'm looking into a replacement for my aging PIII-800 server and want to know what you think about using a Shuttle as a server with Raid1...
Mar 10 15:29:16 <jacques> it's hard to generalize about them since they are all different
Mar 10 15:29:51 <jacques> some should work fine for that
Mar 10 15:33:15 <ka6sox-away> I'm thinking about a Nforce3/939 board.
Mar 10 15:33:49 <jacques> don't wanna wait for the nforce4 huh?
Mar 10 15:34:06 <jacques> heck, a few days ago you were saying you're going to wait for the dual core chips to come out
Mar 10 15:34:37 <ka6sox-away> I'm afraid that if something goes I'll have to panic buy...
Mar 10 15:35:04 <jacques> a couple friends of mine build the nforce3 shuttles as game machines
Mar 10 15:35:11 <jacques> AFAIK they are really happy with them
Mar 10 15:35:25 <jacques> dunno if they are doing raid on them tho
Mar 10 15:36:56 <ka6sox-away> okay
Mar 10 15:37:39 <jacques> hmmm
Mar 10 15:37:52 <jacques> tho I thought the nforce3 shuttle was a socket7xx board
Mar 10 15:37:55 <kas11> everything I have heard about using the onboard h/w raid controllers is bad
Mar 10 15:38:05 <ka6sox-away> :(
Mar 10 15:39:01 <jacques> ok
Mar 10 15:39:04 <jacques> they have both
Mar 10 15:39:13 <jacques>  	SN95G5 is socket939 nforce3 ultra
Mar 10 15:39:41 <jacques> SN85G4 is socket754
Mar 10 15:40:17 <ka6sox-away> the 95G5 is the one I was thinking about.
Mar 10 15:42:16 <jacques> has sata raid according to the shuttle page
Mar 10 15:47:17 <kas11> http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/print/sempron-2600.html for some info on later 754/939 processors
Mar 10 15:54:23 <ka6sox-away> reading\
Mar 10 15:54:59 <ka6sox-away> I really want a 90nm version...a lot lower power consumption.
Mar 10 15:55:16 <ka6sox-away> and in C&Q it ought to do fairly well...
Mar 10 15:55:36 <jacques> the article seems to be mostly about the semprons
Mar 10 15:55:41 <jacques> not 64bit
Mar 10 15:56:08 <ka6sox-away> yeah...and it doesn't support C&Q
Mar 10 15:56:28 <jacques> what's that?
Mar 10 15:56:34 <ka6sox-away> cool and Quiet.
Mar 10 15:56:39 <jacques> ah
Mar 10 15:56:46 <ka6sox-away> a underclocked mode for power/heat savings.
Mar 10 15:56:50 <kas11> yeah...but it is interesting to see how little larger L2 cache is doing for most things
Mar 10 15:56:58 <ka6sox-away> I noticed that.
Mar 10 15:58:25 <kas11> one of the places I was looking the other day pointed out how much difference various DIMM modules made too...even from the same manufacturer
Mar 10 15:58:48 <ka6sox-away> oh? how so? (always the curious one)
Mar 10 15:59:29 <kas11> mostly that you needed to look closely at the latency specs
Mar 10 15:59:41 <kas11> let me see if I can find that article
Mar 10 16:00:06 <ka6sox-away> C>R?
Mar 10 16:01:10 <kas11> http://www.digital-daily.com/cpu/amd-athlon64-winchester
Mar 10 16:02:57 <jacques> hmm looks like wasn't originally written in english
Mar 10 16:04:20 <ka6sox-away> Russian I think.
Mar 11 00:16:25 <kas11> for cooling, CNPS7000 or 7700 if your mb/case is big enough are essentially silent...7700cu has 120 mm fan that runs 2000 rpm max... 2 lbs of copper
Mar 11 00:16:26 <ka6sox-away> well...it is interesting about the memory settings.
Mar 11 00:16:53 <ka6sox-away> I wonder if I could get a Flower to work on that CPU.
Mar 11 00:17:03 <ka6sox-away> 2.5# of copper.
Mar 11 00:17:40 <kas11> the CNPSs are round like an inverted bell
Mar 11 00:18:09 <ka6sox-away> url?
Mar 11 00:19:30 <kas11> I have a 3100 on my xp2500 that thinks it is a 3200...idles at 31c...never see it over 40...and the temp sensor is thermally coupled to the bottom on the cpu so the readings are about as accurate as you can get out of that type system
Mar 11 00:20:48 <ka6sox-away> none of my macs have a CPU fan..except the heat pipe on the iBook.
Mar 11 00:20:48 <kas11> http://www.zalmanusa.com/usa/product/view.asp?idx=146&code=005009
Mar 11 00:20:57 <ka6sox-away> thanks
Mar 11 00:21:10 <kas11> there is a all cu one somewhere there too
Mar 11 00:22:09 <kas11> http://www.zalmanusa.com/usa/product/view.asp?idx=145&code=005
Mar 11 00:22:54 <kas11> I have had SLKs too....Zalman beats them hands down
Mar 11 00:23:47 <kas11> this is FL...so high ambients go with the territory
Mar 11 00:24:02 <ka6sox-away> Zalman has a "Flower" that is pretty "cool"
Mar 11 00:24:18 <kas11> CNPS is easy to clean too
Mar 11 00:25:30 <kas11> these are like the flower but fins are bent sideways rather than in a fan....but the design of all of them is really kewl
Mar 11 00:25:50 <ka6sox-away> ya
Mar 11 00:25:59 <ka6sox-away> jacques: what do you think?
Mar 11 00:26:11 <jacques> about what?
Mar 11 00:26:25 <kas11> but you can't mount the CNPS on all mbs...need the 4 holes and nothing in the keep away zone
Mar 11 00:26:27 <ka6sox-away> cooling.
Mar 11 00:26:48 <ka6sox-away> I really need to read a good article on C&Q
Mar 11 00:26:52 <jacques> if you;re thinking about a shuttle it's moot
Mar 11 00:27:01 <ka6sox-away> to see if I'm OTL.
Mar 11 00:27:05 <ka6sox-away> true.
Mar 11 00:27:24 <ka6sox-away> I'm assuming that it has the same cooling arraingement as the case we have for nudibranch.
Mar 11 00:27:28 <kas11> yeah...shuttle means use their cooler
Mar 11 00:30:05 <ka6sox-away> in the FN85 there are 2 versions..one supports C&Q and the other doesn't
Mar 11 00:31:41 <ka6sox-away> okay so its all about the MOBO and Bios.
Mar 11 00:31:42 <kas11> I will say I can't hear cpu fans here cuz the 7200 rpm drives make a lot more noise
Mar 11 00:37:59 <ka6sox-away> Jacques: what socket is on the 3200+ we got for nudibranch?
Mar 11 00:40:43 <kas11> the original A64 3200+ is a 754
Mar 11 00:40:59 <ka6sox-away> this is an Athlon XP
Mar 11 00:41:48 <kas11> ahhhh...socket A was 462, I think
Mar 11 00:44:01 <kas11> g'nite, y'all
Mar 11 00:45:54 <ka6sox-away> nite
Mar 11 01:33:17 <ka6sox-away> jacques, http://www.zalmanusa.com/usa/product/view.asp?idx=64&code=020
Mar 11 01:33:20 <ka6sox-away> totally silent
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 11 23:59:57 2005