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Apr 30 02:13:41 <beewoolie> [g2]: missed em.  Came in second in the poker tourney.  Won by buy in, but not the big enchilada.
Apr 30 02:13:59 <dyoung> Woo.
Apr 30 02:14:08 <dyoung> Enough to buy a Revvie?
Apr 30 15:41:18 <[g2]> hey beewoolie-akf 
Apr 30 15:41:25 <beewoolie-akf> yo
Apr 30 15:41:43 <[g2]> how goes my pal ?
Apr 30 15:41:57 <beewoolie> I've got opie running.  Make me really rilly happy.
Apr 30 15:42:13 * [g2] does the happy dance :)
Apr 30 15:42:20 * beewoolie celebrates
Apr 30 15:42:35 <[g2]> cool.... so oe built ?
Apr 30 15:42:37 <beewoolie> There are a few issues to resolve, the screen blanks and doesn't restore, and other little things.
Apr 30 15:42:41 <beewoolie> God no.
Apr 30 15:42:50 <beewoolie> I gave up on OE a long time ago.
Apr 30 15:42:58 <beewoolie> I'm using Make scripts for the time being.
Apr 30 15:43:18 <beewoolie> I've also built most of gpe, but I got tired of resolving dependencies.
Apr 30 15:43:23 <[g2]> you've got that make sniffer right ?
Apr 30 15:43:33 <beewoolie> Moreover, it is meant for larger systems than what I've got.
Apr 30 15:43:36 <beewoolie> Make sniffer?
Apr 30 15:43:55 <[g2]> the make that recorded all the file accesses ?
Apr 30 15:44:13 <beewoolie> Uh, no.  I'm not sure what that would be.
Apr 30 15:44:19 * [g2] may just be confused
Apr 30 15:45:11 <[g2]> so you'll be all ready to play with OpenJTAG and the RV soon eh ? :)
Apr 30 15:46:39 <beewoolie> Soon.  I've got the cleanup at this point.  I need to be able to build an image of reasonable size so that the SEs can demo the platform.
Apr 30 15:46:50 <beewoolie> Should be about a week, I think.
Apr 30 15:52:51 <beewoolie> [g2]: How is the 042?  Any line on serial?
Apr 30 16:27:50 <[g2]> beewoolie, sorry I was on the other computer ! :(
Apr 30 16:28:28 <[g2]> the RV 042 and 082 are quite interesting
Apr 30 16:29:02 <[g2]> My soldering has improved alot and don't hose things up, however it doesn't get serial access yet
Apr 30 16:29:09 <beewoolie> What's your goal.
Apr 30 16:29:36 <[g2]> well I wanted to get to the bootloader and shell
Apr 30 16:29:51 <[g2]> and a funny thing happened on trying to get serial working :)
Apr 30 16:31:39 <[g2]> beewoolie, in searching for the proper pin connections, I ran across the two backdoors on the the box
Apr 30 16:31:59 <[g2]> 1) straight to the bootloader from the network
Apr 30 16:32:23 <[g2]> 2) to an application via telnet from the network and then to a shell
Apr 30 16:32:43 <[g2]> so the boxes are really pretty open
Apr 30 16:33:03 <[g2]> I had switchbox 4.11 running from the shell
Apr 30 16:33:10 <[g2]> I chrooted onto /
Apr 30 16:33:14 <[g2]> via the switchbox
Apr 30 16:35:19 <[g2]> So the 082 runs a 533 which is quite zippy
Apr 30 16:35:47 <[g2]> the 042 @ 266 is quite zippy compared to the slug, but similar to the Avila board
Apr 30 16:36:01 <beewoolie> Interesting.
Apr 30 16:36:07 <beewoolie> What kernel are they running?
Apr 30 16:36:25 <[g2]> they are running 2.4.19-rmk1-openrg
Apr 30 16:36:29 <[g2]> iirc
Apr 30 16:38:37 <[g2]> Linux version 2.4.19openrg-rmk6-ds1 (root@localhost.localdomain) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release/MontaVista)) #2 Wed Nov 3 16:32:07 CST 2004
Apr 30 16:38:55 <[g2]> ok... I was kinda close :)
Apr 30 16:38:58 <beewoolie> Interesting.
Apr 30 16:39:19 <beewoolie> Is the bootloader redboot?
Apr 30 16:39:28 <[g2]> I don't think so
Apr 30 16:39:44 <[g2]> but maybe
Apr 30 16:40:54 <[g2]> I think they are booting directly to an ecos application
Apr 30 16:41:08 <[g2]> or maybe just an application
Apr 30 16:41:37 <beewoolie> Hmm.  So they boot ecos and then linux.
Apr 30 16:41:56 <[g2]> I read something about that in my search for the proper pin setup..  Some smart guy noticed the same messages twice while booting
Apr 30 16:42:59 <[g2]> So.... my next trick is to reload the kernel live from memory :)
Apr 30 16:43:44 <[g2]> either that or get the serial port working and get APEX on there
Apr 30 16:44:15 <beewoolie> Well, APEX should work.
Apr 30 16:44:42 <[g2]> well it an ixp425 so it might need to be tweaked a little
Apr 30 16:45:16 <[g2]> also I'll need serial or JTAG as a fall back in case something doesn't work properly
Apr 30 16:49:34 <beewoolie> Hmm.  Shouldn't be necessary.  There are only real differences in the extra cores.
Apr 30 16:50:25 <[g2]> maybe.. Well probably find out real soon
Apr 30 16:50:58 <[g2]> I feel like I'm quite close on the serial
Apr 30 16:51:06 <beewoolie> koo
Apr 30 16:53:27 <[g2]> I'll probably download a full root fs and run programs from there for a while, there are some options for reflashing from the bootloader
Apr 30 16:53:47 <[g2]> however, I think you can nuke yourself from either the bootloader or the running image
Apr 30 16:57:11 <beewoolie> It would be ideal if you could load a new image into memory while it is running.
Apr 30 16:58:46 <beewoolie> it would also be an interesting data point to see if APEX runs on this device.
Apr 30 16:58:52 <beewoolie> Although, there is no USB.
Apr 30 17:17:22 <[g2]> beewoolie, well, there's a minipci header on the 42
Apr 30 17:17:37 <beewoolie> More soldering for you.
Apr 30 17:17:42 <[g2]> I think one could solder on a header and then there are converters
Apr 30 17:17:51 <beewoolie> Indeed.
Apr 30 17:18:01 <[g2]> like minipci to regular pci and you could plug in any 3.3 pci card
Apr 30 17:18:35 <[g2]> I don't know how hard it is to solder on the header, but it's at a clean clear spot
Apr 30 17:18:37 <beewoolie> I was mainly comenting on the fact that there is a test for APEX.
Apr 30 17:18:48 <beewoolie> In this case, network connectivity is the important part.
Apr 30 17:19:04 <beewoolie> It may be a job for solder paste.
Apr 30 17:20:46 <[g2]> hey Tiersten how hard is it to solder on a minipci header to something that's a do not install ?
Apr 30 17:43:18 <dyoung> [g2] hows serial?
Apr 30 17:43:38 <[g2]> serial is so-so, I got side tracked
Apr 30 17:43:38 <dyoung> [g2] poke arond on the candidate connector and look for the +3.3V
Apr 30 17:43:52 <[g2]> I did I've got VCC and GND all checked out
Apr 30 17:44:10 <[g2]> things seemed to be working a little but  I think it was noise
Apr 30 17:44:19 <dyoung> in addition the the vcc, there should be another o ne +3.3V or so.
Apr 30 17:44:35 <[g2]> I saw two 3.3
Apr 30 17:44:43 <dyoung> Cool, youre set.
Apr 30 17:45:04 <[g2]> not yet.... for serial, but there are two network backdoors
Apr 30 17:45:09 <[g2]> 1 to the bootloader
Apr 30 17:45:21 <[g2]> 1 to an app which leads to a shell
Apr 30 17:45:41 <[g2]> So I had switchbox 4.11 executing in a chroot last nihgt
Apr 30 17:45:44 <dyoung> oh weird.  so you like telnet revvie (someport) to start something?
Apr 30 17:46:19 <[g2]> if you setup ther arp addr statically, you can just telnet 192.168.1.1 and power on the box
Apr 30 17:46:32 <[g2]> you'll connect right into the boot loader
Apr 30 17:46:54 <dyoung> cool.
Apr 30 17:46:54 <[g2]> one can tftp an image and reflash from there
Apr 30 17:47:21 <[g2]> I was poking around a little in there, then I opened up the backdoor telnet
Apr 30 17:47:38 <[g2]> that gets you in to the same app, but there a shell command
Apr 30 17:47:52 <[g2]> that gets you to busybox v0.50 shell :)
Apr 30 17:48:02 <dyoung> whoa, thats pretty.... uh... Antiquated.
Apr 30 17:48:11 <[g2]> I've been in on both the 042 and 082
Apr 30 17:48:18 <[g2]> the 082 is a 533 Mhz BTW
Apr 30 17:48:21 <dyoung> are they both the 533?
Apr 30 17:48:26 <[g2]> and 16MB flash
Apr 30 17:48:35 <[g2]> nope the 042 is 266 @ 8MB flash
Apr 30 17:49:00 <[g2]> both have 32MB, but the 082 has pads laid out but no itstall
Apr 30 17:49:06 <[g2]> install
Apr 30 17:49:10 <dyoung> so the 082 might make a nice native compile mafchine for ixp's.
Apr 30 17:49:28 <dyoung> through nfs or something.
Apr 30 17:49:39 <[g2]> nod
Apr 30 17:49:49 <[g2]> have you ever used nbd ?
Apr 30 17:49:53 <dyoung> whats it cost?  $300?
Apr 30 17:50:05 <[g2]> iirc $266 ?
Apr 30 17:50:07 <dyoung> I was waiting for nbd to mature more.
Apr 30 17:50:33 <dyoung> I had most of it working on a nslu2 at one point....
Apr 30 17:50:41 <dyoung> but something wasnt quite right.
Apr 30 17:50:49 <dyoung> and you cant swap usinb nbd
Apr 30 17:51:21 <jacques> what's this 082 thingie? sounds interesting
Apr 30 17:51:26 <[g2]> that's what I needed to do
Apr 30 17:51:58 <[g2]> I was trying to mount a swap partition with the avila since I was chrooted into a nfs partition on the Gigabit
Apr 30 17:53:58 <dyoung> It may be resolved by now.
Apr 30 17:54:06 <dyoung> linksys Rv082
Apr 30 17:54:24 <dyoung> Revvie.  OpenRV.
Apr 30 17:54:33 <dyoung> it's a flowing name.
Apr 30 17:55:20 <jacques> cool, I just found it on the linksys site 
Apr 30 17:55:34 <jacques> looking at the gpl page I see several tarballs for models I don
Apr 30 17:55:39 <jacques> 't recognize
Apr 30 17:55:41 <dyoung> btw, the NBD page says youre supposed to be able to swap; but I was having issues...
Apr 30 17:55:58 <jacques> yeah I thought nbd was supposed to be better for swap than nfs
Apr 30 17:56:29 <dyoung> I spent < 2hrs looking at it, and the possibility that I wasnt licking it right is high.
Apr 30 17:57:52 <jacques> anyone else think linksys' site sucks ass?
Apr 30 17:58:12 * dyoung raises his hand.
Apr 30 17:59:33 <jacques> ig you search on a model number it doesn't even find the product
Apr 30 18:06:47 <jacques> interesting, I wonder why a wireless range expander needs to run linux
Apr 30 18:06:54 <jacques> must be more cmplex than I thought
Apr 30 18:21:26 <dyoung> it didnt cost anyone to develop the software?
Apr 30 18:21:41 <dyoung> I'm assuming its doing some sort of WDS.
Apr 30 18:23:32 <beewoolie> bbl
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