**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 23 23:59:56 2005
May 24 00:16:04 <dyoung-zzzz> Someone should invent a refrigerator that doesnt freeze up every other year.
May 24 00:34:49 <ka6sox-away> heh
May 24 00:34:54 <ka6sox-away> but ya your right.
May 24 03:45:40 <prpplague> slughead.*
May 24 03:46:58 <prpplague> escargot-linux.*
May 24 03:48:20 <prpplague> slug-city.*
May 24 03:49:05 <prpplague> slug-homeless.* "will work for slugs"
May 24 03:51:06 <prpplague> sluggage.*
May 24 03:52:01 <prpplague> slug-farmer.*
May 24 03:54:58 <prpplague> dassluginstein.*
May 24 03:56:03 <prpplague> slug-a-rific.*
May 24 03:58:13 <prpplague> slugfever.*
May 24 04:12:22 <dyoung-zzzz> hahahahahaha
May 24 04:12:28 <dyoung-zzzz> I missed the bulk of that.
May 24 04:12:36 <dyoung-zzzz> Slughead is good.
May 24 04:12:45 <[g2]> Slughead ?
May 24 04:12:57 <dyoung-zzzz> I was grumbling that all the good slugnames were taken.
May 24 04:13:08 <dyoung-zzzz> prpplague just noted a pile of them.
May 24 04:13:15 <dyoung-zzzz> slug-city.*
May 24 04:13:29 <dyoung-zzzz> Sluggage isnt bad.
May 24 04:14:18 <[g2]> Hey you've got title to one of the best slug names there is
May 24 04:14:20 <dyoung-zzzz> jaqcues had a good one too. doslugsdreamof.us .
May 24 04:14:29 <dyoung-zzzz> I do?
May 24 04:14:34 <[g2]> yeah
May 24 04:14:42 <dyoung-zzzz> Whicih one?
May 24 04:14:44 <[g2]> slug creator
May 24 04:14:49 <dyoung-zzzz> oh yeah.  heh.
May 24 04:15:08 <dyoung-zzzz> :)
May 24 04:15:10 <prpplague> didn't like any of my sluggestions?
May 24 04:15:12 <dyoung-zzzz> Slugmaster
May 24 04:15:27 <prpplague> hehe
May 24 04:15:30 <dyoung-zzzz> I liked the sluggestions.
May 24 04:15:40 <[g2]> and jacques is Slug EMT
May 24 04:15:50 <[g2]> or Slug Doctor
May 24 04:16:04 <[g2]> Slug revivor
May 24 04:16:04 <jacques> and [g2] is slugdestroya
May 24 04:16:28 <[g2]> slug sacrificer
May 24 04:16:32 <jacques> heh
May 24 04:16:55 <[g2]> Allan offered to send the board back to me yesterday
May 24 04:17:00 <prpplague> [g2]: uuuu, i can see the logo for that one
May 24 04:17:47 <[g2]> I guess you could call me bare metal slug guy :)
May 24 04:18:55 <[g2]> Have you guys played with the new turnup much ?
May 24 04:19:00 * prpplague has a #%^#$%^ load of work to do today
May 24 04:19:15 <[g2]> jb did a bunch of work there
May 24 04:19:51 <prpplague> turnup?
May 24 04:20:16 <[g2]> it's a script for OpenSlug for installing to the hd or flash stick
May 24 04:20:23 <prpplague> ahh
May 24 04:20:27 <[g2]> as in turn up proceedure
May 24 04:20:48 <[g2]> these guys tease me about Vegtables
May 24 04:22:10 <prpplague> ahh
May 24 04:27:35 <prpplague> [g2]: i don't know why projects get names of things like dogs, vegtables, and planets, i want something that sounds cool, like strippers names, drinks, and cool travel locations
May 24 04:28:50 <prpplague> "yes we are working on a secret project called, tequilla sunrise"
May 24 04:29:13 <prpplague> now doesn't that sound like a hot project
May 24 04:29:21 <dyoung-zzzz> Brandy?  Candy?
May 24 04:29:43 <dyoung-zzzz> I cant think of the stereotypical stripper name.
May 24 04:29:55 <prpplague> hehe
May 24 04:30:03 <dyoung-zzzz> Denali?
May 24 04:30:05 <prpplague> fantasia is probably the most common
May 24 04:30:45 <dyoung-zzzz> What time is it anyways.
May 24 04:30:51 <dyoung-zzzz> holy crap.
May 24 04:30:53 <prpplague> 7:21am here
May 24 04:31:17 <dyoung-zzzz> Wasted the evening defrosting the fridge.
May 24 04:31:27 <prpplague> lovely
May 24 04:31:28 <dyoung-zzzz> But I have cold beer now. :-)
May 24 04:31:36 <prpplague> ahh, life is good
May 24 04:32:58 <jacques> savanna
May 24 04:33:07 <prpplague> ahh yea, i've heard that one alot
May 24 04:33:14 <prpplague> :D
May 24 04:33:19 <jacques> :-D
May 24 04:35:55 <dyoung-zzzz> Ah that one sounds famliar.
May 24 04:36:09 <dyoung-zzzz> Tammi?
May 24 04:36:59 <[g2]> Hey no picking on Tammi
May 24 04:37:08 <jacques> lol
May 24 04:37:26 <dyoung-zzzz> "Follow the Savannah procedure to strip your slug of linksys closedness"
May 24 04:38:20 <[g2]> There's a Japanese guy named Tammi who's probably the most badass SW/HW engineer I ever known in the last 25 years
May 24 04:39:06 <dyoung-zzzz> Tami?
May 24 04:39:13 <dyoung-zzzz> tammi is not valid japanese.
May 24 04:39:13 <[g2]> Tamiji
May 24 04:39:29 <dyoung-zzzz> Cool.
May 24 04:39:49 <dyoung-zzzz> Its nice knowing soem badasses.
May 24 04:40:12 <[g2]> I talked to him several years ago 
May 24 04:41:00 <[g2]> You probably seen or used all those high end protocol testers from Spirelent and whoever bought them
May 24 04:41:17 <dyoung-zzzz> Spirent.
May 24 04:41:23 <[g2]> yeah...
May 24 04:41:26 <dyoung-zzzz> Thet absorbed Adtech.
May 24 04:41:32 <[g2]> yeah.
May 24 04:41:40 <[g2]> all those set of companies
May 24 04:41:50 <jacques> anyone heard anything bad about bk 3.2.4 ?
May 24 04:41:58 <[g2]> nope
May 24 04:42:24 <dyoung-zzzz> I know a middle manager at Adtech/Spirent honolulu.  I was gonna bug them about reworking stuff for me.
May 24 04:42:33 <jacques> `k
May 24 04:42:56 <[g2]> Well Tammy was doing something like a 24 port 10 Gig E switch and was fixing the testing boxes along the way :)
May 24 04:43:43 <[g2]> because nobody had ever hook up as many boxes or at such speeds
May 24 04:43:50 <dyoung-zzzz> Cool.
May 24 04:44:01 <dyoung-zzzz> GigE is pretty stinkin fast.
May 24 04:44:15 <[g2]> iirc that was 10 G
May 24 04:44:29 <[g2]> big Iron
May 24 04:44:45 <[g2]> terrabit backplane stuff
May 24 04:44:47 <dyoung-zzzz> I understood the meaning, I just cant type.
May 24 04:44:54 <[g2]> Ah...
May 24 04:45:04 <[g2]> but GigE is still fast
May 24 04:45:18 <dyoung-zzzz> or rather my fingers go mcuh slower than the brain.
May 24 04:45:24 <[g2]> I'm trying to get tweaked out at home here
May 24 04:45:40 <[g2]> I think my AMD64 rig is the sweet spot
May 24 04:45:53 <dyoung-zzzz> [g2] there are a lot of companies that make modularized logic analysers with USB interfaces.
May 24 04:46:14 <dyoung-zzzz> The cheap one was the one I mentioend earlier.
May 24 04:46:39 <[g2]> I'm looking for cheap, fast, wide :)
May 24 04:46:58 <[g2]> cheap & fast will work to start :)
May 24 04:47:00 <dyoung-zzzz> "cheap" is $7500 for the full 500Mhz.
May 24 04:47:09 <dyoung-zzzz> with that channel configuration.
May 24 04:47:19 <dyoung-zzzz> How many channels do you really need?
May 24 04:47:21 <[g2]> I heard a 3K number for 500Mhz
May 24 04:47:31 <[g2]> I'm trying to verify that
May 24 04:47:32 <dyoung-zzzz> Initially?
May 24 04:47:55 <dyoung-zzzz> because if you need only 12ch, you can get 500Mhz for < $1k
May 24 04:48:20 <[g2]> The guy I talked to "thought" it was 128 channels
May 24 04:48:49 <dyoung-zzzz> For $3k?  Thats cheap/
May 24 04:48:51 <[g2]> but I'm still waiting to talk to the guy
May 24 04:49:01 <[g2]> the HW guy not the SW guy
May 24 04:49:37 <[g2]> so the 500Mhz < $1k where ?
May 24 04:49:38 <dyoung-zzzz> You could get the Tek, but honestly, I'd rather get a car with Cool A/C.
May 24 04:50:19 <dyoung-zzzz> um...
May 24 04:50:26 <dyoung-zzzz> it was a celtic word...
May 24 04:50:45 <dyoung-zzzz> oh yeah.  www.saelig.com
May 24 04:50:54 <[g2]> that's funny how your mind remembers....
May 24 04:51:17 <[g2]> uumm.... yeah Loki dot com
May 24 04:53:29 <dyoung-zzzz> hmm, that website doesnt have the product I had in mind.  There was an article in some magazine recently about a new product from them which is 12ch 500Mhz.
May 24 04:54:10 <[g2]> they've got some 5 and 10 G sample boxes
May 24 04:54:33 <[g2]> that's be cool, 10 G samples
May 24 04:54:54 <dyoung-zzzz> I've never used their stuff before, but it gets decent reviews. 
May 24 04:55:11 <dyoung-zzzz> I was thinking about a USBee ZX but this box kind of kicks its ass.
May 24 10:53:49 <ep1220> ka6sox-office: Hi
May 24 11:19:02 <[g2]-away> ep1220, hey!
May 24 11:19:32 <ep1220> [g2]-away: hello
May 24 11:19:49 <ep1220> I evaluated the FTDI
May 24 11:19:58 <[g2]> ep1220, you big dog!
May 24 11:20:07 <[g2]> How did it go ?
May 24 11:20:20 <ep1220> It is good at unidirectional tansfer (e.g. fast download)
May 24 11:20:49 <ep1220> there it comes clsoe to 5Mbit
May 24 11:21:16 <ep1220> it gets slow when one needs polling for a handshake
May 24 11:21:30 <ep1220> in this mode only 1kWords are possible.
May 24 11:21:52 <[g2]> So reading out is slow ?
May 24 11:22:18 <ep1220> No reading can be done fast as well.
May 24 11:22:40 <ep1220> but downloading + handshake is slow.
May 24 11:22:50 <ka6sox-office> ep1220, been on overload with work.
May 24 11:23:11 <ep1220> ka6sox-away: no problem.
May 24 11:23:42 <ka6sox-office> I would much rather be playing with this stuff than the work stuffs I"ve been doing
May 24 11:24:23 <ep1220> ka6sox-office: I bet,..  But i guess we all have to earn money ...
May 24 11:25:28 <ep1220> ka6sox-office: Just to let you know: I could install GEDA on SUSE
May 24 11:26:08 <ep1220> ka6sox-office: Just let me know when You have more time
May 24 11:26:54 <ep1220> [g2]: I also fiddled with the Digilent.
May 24 11:27:12 <ep1220> I can download my own software into the USB
May 24 11:27:30 <ep1220> I also uploaded the original firmware.
May 24 11:27:38 <ep1220> is inside the EEPROM
May 24 11:27:42 <[g2]> ep1220 is the MAN !
May 24 11:28:01 <[g2]> three cheers for ep1220 !!
May 24 11:28:12 <ep1220> too much honor
May 24 11:30:02 <ka6sox-office> ep1220, sounds good~
May 24 11:30:24 <[g2]> ep1220, you are making good progress
May 24 11:30:47 <ka6sox-office> has anybody looked at the FT2232 code?
May 24 11:31:34 <ka6sox-office> ~seen beewoolie-afk
May 24 11:31:51 <ka6sox-office> ~seen beewoolie
May 24 11:32:00 <purl> beewoolie-afk <~beewoolie@florence.buici.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openjtag, 7d 18h 18m 58s ago, saying: 'Just found it.  thx'.
May 24 11:32:01 <purl> beewoolie <~beewoolie@florence.buici.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openjtag, 6d 18h 7m 56s ago, saying: 'uboot appears to use bulk.'.
May 24 11:32:18 <ep1220> I used the Windows JTAG library for writing some routines for speed measurment
May 24 11:32:27 <ka6sox-office> ~seen beewoolie-away
May 24 11:32:28 <purl> beewoolie-away <~beewoolie@florence.buici.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openjtag, 26d 12h 54m 45s ago, saying: 'ka6sox-away: what you guys got cookin?'.
May 24 11:32:40 <ka6sox-office> so about 6 days ago....
May 24 11:32:50 <ep1220> Then I used a USB monitor and LA to verify what is going on 
May 24 11:33:10 <ep1220> Is just as documented in the FTDI app note.
May 24 11:33:38 <ka6sox-office> somebody wrote a FT2232 kernel driver and library.
May 24 11:33:50 <ep1220> Yes, Linux 2.6 is said to include a FTDI driver.
May 24 11:34:07 <ep1220> but i believe RS232 only.
May 24 11:34:15 <ka6sox-office> for the 232/245 or the 2232?
May 24 11:34:40 <ep1220> the 2232 appears as 2 232 devices
May 24 11:34:46 <ka6sox-office> k
May 24 11:34:53 <ka6sox-office> so the bitbang mode needs work.
May 24 11:35:22 <ep1220> Yes. Adding JTAG is not complicated.
May 24 11:35:45 <ep1220> a mode switch, plus sending the correct commands
May 24 11:36:44 <ep1220> Where I expect timing bottlenecks:
May 24 11:37:13 <ep1220> In a debugger: Writing back modified data (e.g registers)
May 24 11:37:48 <ep1220> 2) when one does a FLash Programming thru bit-banging adress/data in the JTAG chain
May 24 11:38:31 <ka6sox-office> well..we are using one of the biggest BSDL's I've seen with the Xscale.
May 24 11:38:53 <ka6sox-office> so timing could become and issue with 498bits.
May 24 11:39:50 <ep1220> The problem is not the size of the chain.
May 24 11:40:02 <ep1220> But it gets slow when one has to change directions
May 24 11:40:15 <ka6sox-office> okay.
May 24 11:40:52 <ep1220> e.g read back if Flash cell is programmed
May 24 11:41:09 <ep1220> here i would expect not more than 1000Words/sec
May 24 11:41:25 <ka6sox-office> very slow.
May 24 11:41:49 <ep1220> It can be done faster when the XScale does the programming.
May 24 11:42:20 <ep1220> DOwnloading into RAM can be ~350KBytes/sec
May 24 11:43:50 * ka6sox-office wonders if we can download a program into RAM and cause the Xscale to execute it.
May 24 11:44:12 <ep1220> No need for RAM. You can downlaod into the Xscale Cache.
May 24 11:45:11 <ka6sox-office> interesting thing.
May 24 11:48:26 <ep1220> You guys are primarily on Xscale ?
May 24 11:50:14 <ka6sox-office> this came as an offshoot of the nslu2-linux project
May 24 11:50:16 <ka6sox-office> hi kas11 
May 24 11:50:37 <kas11> hey ka6sox-office ;)
May 24 11:51:10 <ep1220> ka6sox-office: I see, On ARM and MIPS this solution will be a lot slower
May 24 11:51:19 <ep1220> (unless RAM is workign there)
May 24 11:51:48 <ka6sox-office> ah...
May 24 11:51:55 <ka6sox-office> this is all very good help..
May 24 11:52:00 <ka6sox-office> kas11, how are you doing?
May 24 11:52:26 <[g2]> ep1220, so you can download right into the cache ?
May 24 11:52:40 <ep1220> g2: yes.
May 24 11:52:49 <[g2]> APEX is only 16K :)
May 24 11:52:56 <ep1220> And then run there
May 24 11:53:08 <kas11> doing ok here, ka6sox-office...mucking about with Ubuntu and wondering why it seems so broken
May 24 11:53:41 <ep1220> g2: the debug mini cache is only 2K
May 24 11:53:42 <[g2]> I think beewoolie would wet himself over downloading straigh into the on-board cache and letting things rip
May 24 11:54:01 <ep1220> g2: but You also can downlaod in the "full" cache.
May 24 11:54:13 <[g2]> right the L1 cachce
May 24 11:54:24 <[g2]> L1 instruction cache
May 24 11:54:33 <ep1220> g2: but might have to be carefull about side-effects
May 24 11:55:01 <[g2]> Absolutely, but beewoolie's our man
May 24 11:58:27 <ep1220> g2: I too think: there are interesting things possible ;-)
May 24 11:59:59 <[g2]> I love working with all the incredible doer's out there !
May 24 12:05:22 <kas11> vnc on ubuntu uses 25% of the CPU and is slowwwwwww....but at least the desktop works right unlike Fedora...
May 24 12:05:39 <ka6sox-office> kas11, ubuntu is nice..but I like Kubuntu...(no flames please)
May 24 12:05:48 <ka6sox-office> back in a few...lunchtime.
May 24 12:06:17 <kas11> uh huh...the kde thing...
May 24 12:07:19 <ka6sox-office> just got used to it.
May 24 12:07:44 <kas11> on Fedora, in full screen it was hard to tell whether I was on the main box or vnc
May 24 12:08:03 <ka6sox-office> fast eh?
May 24 12:08:04 <[g2]> You guys burn DVDs at all ?
May 24 12:08:12 <ka6sox-office> data or  video?
May 24 12:08:15 <[g2]> data
May 24 12:08:28 <[g2]> but your a MAC guy :)
May 24 12:08:33 <ka6sox-office> yes...I'm burning them right now (
May 24 12:08:37 <ka6sox-office> on linux)
May 24 12:09:00 <[g2]> what SW do you use ?
May 24 12:09:01 <kas11> I see why....3.9mbps is being xfered constantly....sheeesh
May 24 12:09:30 <ka6sox-office> let me look...its a background process on the backup machine.
May 24 12:09:35 <[g2]> kas11, need to move to jumbo frames :)
May 24 12:09:36 * kas11 is too poor to buy a dvd burner
May 24 12:09:52 <[g2]> ha!
May 24 12:10:02 <ka6sox-office> a patched version of cdrecord
May 24 12:10:32 <[g2]> Ok... and do you use mkisofs or is there some other equivalent
May 24 12:10:52 <kas11> uh huh...or at least GigE if i am gonna stick with this vnc server/viewer...which is unlikely from what I am seeing now
May 24 12:11:27 <ka6sox-office> [g2] I'll have to check when I get back from my lunch meeting...back in 1hr
May 24 12:11:57 <kas11> ok...too cheap too...-o loop is my friend
May 24 12:14:54 <kas11> I do like synaptic tho...sure beats yum or up2date
May 24 12:16:18 <kas11> and I won't even mention emerge ... /me ducks :)
May 24 12:17:15 <[g2]> or apt-get
May 24 12:20:40 <kas11> yeah...seems silly to install a giu desktop and then expect users to use command line tools or a mickey mouse ncurses interface
May 24 12:51:59 <ka6sox-office> [g2], its growisofs.
May 24 12:52:19 <[g2]> ka6sox-away, THX
May 24 12:52:24 <ka6sox-office> np
May 24 12:52:49 <[g2]> I guess that's the isofs extentions that allow > 700MB iso's
May 24 12:53:33 <[g2]> so cdrecord (with patches for the big size) and growisofs will do it
May 24 13:02:11 <ka6sox-office> phone..brb
May 24 13:17:26 <ka6sox-office> [g2] yes that is all.
May 24 13:18:43 <[g2]> ka6sox-away, ever see dvdrecord ?
May 24 13:19:13 <[g2]> ka6sox-office, ever see dvdrecord ?
May 24 13:20:39 <ka6sox-office> no...we have been using cdrecord since we started out with cdrw backkup media and switched to dvd media.
May 24 13:25:47 <kas11> anyone know what to do to mount a Fedora ext3 filesystem on Ubuntu
May 24 13:27:25 <kas11> puttting it in fstab coause complaints about newer tools needed...which I guess is why I am looking for another distro...well that and Seth Nickel
May 24 13:27:51 <[g2]> mount -t ext3 /dev/.... /mntpoint
May 24 13:28:12 <kas11> s/coase/causes...dyslexia is my middle name
May 24 13:28:56 * ka6sox-office is lysdexic
May 24 13:29:50 <kas11> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
May 24 13:29:50 <kas11>        missing codepage or other error
May 24 13:30:37 <kas11> that comes from mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/tmp
May 24 13:30:52 <[g2]> sounds like it doesn't like /dev/hda1's format
May 24 13:31:26 <[g2]> are you running Breezy Badger or the Hoary release ?
May 24 13:31:41 <kas11> I expect it is RH claiming ownership of the WDS
May 24 13:32:05 <kas11> Whole Damn Sandbox (tm)
May 24 13:32:48 <kas11> Hoary....Breezy is too broken for me to fix at this point...still learning Debian 101 now
May 24 13:34:24 <kas11> none of the init scripts seem to be starting a vnc server...which is puzzling me atm...altho it is working albeit very slowly
May 24 13:35:46 <kas11> so I wanna look at Fedora...but I can't mount the @#$%^ filesysystem....an constant reboots ain't the answer
May 24 13:36:46 <kas11> I better jet over to #ubuntu b4 ka6sox bans me tho *lol*
May 24 13:38:12 <ka6sox-office> the reason I don't support Fedora is that it seems to just be a Beta test site for RHEL
May 24 13:38:43 <ka6sox-office> there seems to be very little community input except for bug reports.
May 24 13:39:45 <kas11> a rolling beta at that...but I have to give them credit...in 2 yrs I have only seen an ooops on test releaqses and never a lockup...I can make Hoary l386 lockup on command
May 24 13:40:31 <kas11> yeah, RH is running the whole show...and if you don't like their patches, tough
May 24 13:40:32 <ka6sox-office> heh
May 24 13:41:36 <kas11> but they insist on breaking the desktop...I  am sickup and fed of doing bonobo-slay
May 24 13:42:36 <ka6sox-office> RH or Ubuntu?
May 24 13:42:53 <kas11> of course, the desktop is solely a place to display a pretty picture...and Goddess help you if you want to fix Mime or edit a menu
May 24 13:43:26 <ka6sox-office> heh
May 24 13:43:32 <kas11> RH...the desktop works very,very well on Ubuntu they way I use it anyhow
May 24 13:44:50 <kas11> I like to put shotcuts on my desktop so I can find things...suffering from senility as I do...
May 24 13:46:05 <kas11> sure wish someone would figure out how to automagically put a favicon on the desktop tho..26 little globes is boring
May 24 13:55:49 <kas11> duh...appears to be another inotify gotcha on i386...mounting works fine on AMD64 if you actually tell it the proper filesystem type...note to karen:/boot is ext2, dummy
May 24 13:56:08 <ka6sox-office> lol!
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