**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 02 23:59:56 2005 Aug 03 06:11:53 VoodooZ_Work: so increased CPU overhead would presumably be an issue? Aug 03 06:12:08 argh, wce :/ Aug 03 06:12:14 hehe Aug 03 08:32:58 ok.. i got apex in flash.. it's jumping to the monitor.. unfortunately linux still does not boot. Aug 03 08:33:17 I get this on the last line before it just locks up 'Uncompressing Linux.......................................................... d.' Aug 03 08:33:37 i manually copied 0x60010+0xffff0 to 0x00008000 Aug 03 08:33:44 it's trying to boot from there. Aug 03 08:34:28 beewoolie, i'm going to bed now.. if you have any ideas.. i'd appreciate it. (i remember you mentioning that it might be timing, I have a 266Mhz slug). Aug 03 08:34:36 is that easily fixed? Aug 03 08:37:17 actually i just got it working.. i copied 0x50060000 to 0x01000000 and then did go 0x01000000 Aug 03 08:37:19 it boots.. Aug 03 08:37:33 but not with my kernel environment (like mem128 etc). Aug 03 08:39:44 BTW. i copied 0x7a0000 bytes (originally an openslug bin around 8388kb) Aug 03 08:41:44 this is my printenv Aug 03 08:41:44 apex> printenv Aug 03 08:41:45 cmdline *= console=ttyS0,115200n8 root=/dev/mtdblock4 rw rootfstype=jffs2 mem=128M@0x00000000 init=/linuxrc Aug 03 08:41:45 bootaddr *= 0x00008000 Aug 03 08:41:46 startup *= copy nor:0x60010+0xffff0 0x00008000; Aug 03 08:42:32 this is my version (the important bits) Aug 03 08:42:37 apex => mem:0x00200000+0xc064 (49252 bytes) Aug 03 08:42:38 env => nor:128k+64k Aug 03 08:42:38 Services: Aug 03 08:42:38 memory: Aug 03 08:42:39 0x00000000 0x08000000 (128 MiB) Aug 03 08:42:41 nor: 8MiB total 32B write buffer Aug 03 08:42:43 region 0: 64 blocks of 131072 (0x20000) bytes Aug 03 08:42:45 cpu: id 0x690541f1 ctrl 0xf8 cpsr 0x200000d3 Aug 03 08:44:49 night everyone... sleep time for me. Aug 03 10:28:35 kas11!!!! Aug 03 10:28:48 hi Karen..how are you doing??? Aug 03 10:35:03 hiya ka6sox-office...can't complain...how goes it on the left coast? Aug 03 10:36:06 I can truely say I don't live on North America...I live in the Pacific.... Aug 03 10:36:50 just got back from a month in the Balkans Aug 03 10:37:45 omi...Balkans, eh... Aug 03 10:38:33 yep..its beautiful Aug 03 10:38:34 yeah, I fergot...you look east to see the left coast*lol* Aug 03 10:38:57 yep....I live 100miles *west* of Los Angeles Aug 03 10:39:22 did the last Hurricaine give you fits? Aug 03 10:40:05 hehe Aug 03 10:40:39 nope...was a couple hundred miles offshore when it went by...so we just got rain...and we can do 5-10 inches a day 'round here with no problem Aug 03 10:41:02 doesn't even wake up the gaters Aug 03 10:41:35 kas11: you in florida? Aug 03 10:41:46 nah...but I can look out the back window and see a 8'er most any time anyhow Aug 03 10:43:45 * prpplague guess george or alabama Aug 03 10:43:52 georga Aug 03 10:44:08 well fsck, cant spell worth anything today Aug 03 10:45:33 prpplague...yeah, just north of Tampa Aug 03 10:47:08 * prpplague is barbados right now Aug 03 10:47:45 uh huh...I remember hearing you were going tropical Aug 03 10:48:04 or at least exotic ;) Aug 03 14:14:58 beewoolie: did you scrollback. Aug 03 14:15:10 had a few questions. where is the history url? Aug 03 15:18:53 landslide: beewoolie-afk hasn't been here since before your questions last night Aug 03 16:27:48 i had the kernel boot rwhitby... Aug 03 16:28:06 though I had to tweak it, and it's not right i'm sure of that. Aug 03 16:28:12 but it was booting though apex. Aug 03 17:20:42 landslide-wk: Hey, I'm back. Aug 03 18:47:52 hey beewoolie Aug 03 18:49:51 Hey man. Aug 03 18:49:59 landslide-wk: erm, hey Aug 03 18:50:09 Somethings wrong since I'm not being ping'd/ Aug 03 18:51:56 tee hee Aug 03 18:51:57 beewoolie-afk, consider yourself pinged... ;) Aug 03 18:52:00 That tickles. Aug 03 18:52:43 landslide-wk: Do you have any Q's about getting your fatslug booting properly? Aug 03 19:43:19 beewoolie: sorry, on another machine... ok i managed to get the fatslug to boot.. but not like the documentation says Aug 03 19:43:51 what i did was move the entire 0x50060000 into 0x01000000 and then types go 0x01000000 Aug 03 19:43:54 it booted into linux then. Aug 03 19:44:08 if I try and boot with the startup... it fails when decompressing the kernel. Aug 03 19:44:35 i remember you said there was some clock issues in apex... my slug is 266Mhz so that might be related? Aug 03 19:48:37 i also tried the copy commands which are on the apex wiki... there were 2 copy nor: commands instead of the default startup.. it did change in that it got to 'done decompressing the kernel' however the kernel did not boot. Aug 03 19:48:46 i pasted the configuration in irc from home last night. Aug 03 19:49:04 what is the url for the log? i'll find what i wrote. Aug 03 20:05:10 landslide-wk: First of all. I've got an de-underclocked slug and it boots fine with APEX. Aug 03 20:05:55 landslide-wk: You also should understand that APEX isn't going to reinitialize SDRAM since you're running from SDRAM. Aug 03 20:06:43 landslide-wk: I wonder if you can boot OK with an APEX that only thinks there's 32MB of SDRAM. In that case, both redboot and apex should see the same version of memory. Aug 03 20:07:48 landslide-wk: I looked at the SDRAM init and I don't think that there is anything different for 128MB other than the organization of the rows and colums of SDRAM. Aug 03 20:08:18 Still, there isn't much I can do about making sure that the SDRAM init is correct if you don't run from FLASH. Aug 03 20:08:29 landslide-wk: If you are feeling gutsy, there is one thing you can try. Aug 03 20:08:42 You can write APEX into flash at a place different from redboot. Aug 03 20:09:12 Then, when you jump to it, APEX will perform a complete initialization of the system. Aug 03 20:10:32 landslide-wk: BTW, when your message includes my handle, I'll get a beep so I know someone is trying to contact me. Aug 03 20:10:58 If my handle is beewoolie-afk and you put beewoolie in the message I won't get the beep Aug 03 20:26:56 landslide-wk: BTW, it isn't clear from your description what you are doing. Are you jumping to the kernel? or are you using the boot command? There is an important difference. The boot command configures the atags array which passes the memory map to the kernel. Aug 03 22:17:35 beewoolie: Did you ever look into why the Sercomm-provided RedBoot doesn't seem to setup the ATAGs array? Aug 03 22:50:26 beewollie: it's actually running from flash right now. Aug 03 22:50:30 i replaced redboot already. Aug 03 22:51:32 beewoolie: i can get the kernel to execute by using the 'go' command after moving the kernel from flash into 0x01000000. Aug 03 22:51:57 beewoolie: if I use the boot command it will not execute. it crashes either while uncompressing the kernel or immediately after. Aug 03 22:52:56 so i'm effectively booting linux with no ATAG's with the kernel running completely in SDRAM. Aug 03 23:18:33 Jacmet: I don't think I understand your question. Redboot doesn't setup atags because...it doesn't. The folks who ported the kernel back then weren't very keen on adhering to convention. Aug 03 23:19:11 landslide-wk: Can you show me the output from APEX after it starts? Aug 03 23:19:28 landslide-wk: The best way would be to send it in email. Aug 03 23:20:16 ok what's your e-mail i'll send it when i get home. Aug 03 23:20:24 it's calling the startup script. Aug 03 23:20:29 landslide-wk: Also, it is important that you run the kernel from SDRAM. You *can* execute the kernel directly from flash, but it requires a custom setup. The kernel decompressor assumes that there is RAM available after the compressed kernel image. Aug 03 23:20:34 if that is what you are wondering. Aug 03 23:21:09 landslide-wk: There are a couple of other things to look at. Aug 03 23:21:32 ok. Aug 03 23:21:38 For example, is the version in SDRAM the same as the version in flash? The checksum command is handy for that. Aug 03 23:21:46 i'll check that. Aug 03 23:22:09 There is nothing magic about addres 0x01000000 except that that is a place in SDRAM that redboot permits us to use. Aug 03 23:22:31 it would be helpful to see the startup log as well as the output of the version command. Aug 03 23:22:31 is there a log of the irc ? Aug 03 23:22:40 I don't know. Aug 03 23:22:42 i pasted it last night. Aug 03 23:22:44 I'm a primitive users Aug 03 23:23:00 You can use pastebin, too. Aug 03 23:23:03 hehe. from old irc2 days. Aug 03 23:23:07 pastebin.ca Aug 03 23:23:13 ok. Aug 03 23:23:37 i'll have a look tonight. what time to you usually get on/ Aug 03 23:23:40 i'll be home in 2 hours. Aug 03 23:23:46 it must be early morn for you? Aug 03 23:24:46 11pm Aug 03 23:25:03 You have a 2hr commute? Aug 03 23:25:06 he's a littl behind me.... Aug 03 23:25:20 like 26 minutes Aug 03 23:25:41 1 hr usually and that's driving Aug 03 23:25:42 strange since I'm west of him. Aug 03 23:25:46 sydney traffic is pathetic. Aug 03 23:25:47 And you thought that Cali was laid back. Aug 03 23:26:13 beewoolie, it is...but I live in the pacific...not on NOrth America. Aug 03 23:26:26 i'll e-mail you the details when i get home. Aug 03 23:26:32 landslide-wk: k Aug 03 23:26:49 ka6sox: I thought you lived near LA. Did your house float into the ocean? Aug 03 23:26:54 so you actually wrote apex from the ground up? Aug 03 23:26:59 man that is impressive. Aug 03 23:28:00 landslide-wk: an act of desperation. Aug 03 23:28:16 beewoolie, I live 100miles west of LA Aug 03 23:28:31 I think that the only piece I didn't write is the xmodem receiver. I have my own code, but it's larger because it handles traffic in both directions. Aug 03 23:28:49 hehe. awesome. Aug 03 23:28:53 ka6sox: that would be west of catalina, no? Aug 03 23:29:00 yes Aug 03 23:29:09 i remember you saying the networking is working. is that for the slug or another device? Aug 03 23:29:13 catalina is southeast of me. Aug 03 23:29:29 Not the farallons... Aug 03 23:32:20 farallons are north. Aug 03 23:32:20 ka6sox: Channel islands? Aug 03 23:32:31 yes..near the Channel Islands. Aug 03 23:32:40 Santa Cruz is due south Aug 03 23:33:06 San Miguel is southwest and Anacapa is south east Aug 03 23:34:04 ka6sox: It's not on the google map I'm looking at. Aug 03 23:34:16 It's a little scarce on place names. Aug 03 23:35:12 landslide-wk: I have a stack and a couple of drivers. The NPE is a problem because it requires the very-difficult-intel-access-library. Aug 03 23:35:13 Santa Barbara Aug 03 23:35:44 ka6sox: Right. I thought you were saying that you lives 100miles due west. Aug 03 23:38:15 downtown LA to SBA is within 1 degree of due west Aug 03 23:38:53 at least that is what my GPS tells me. Aug 03 23:39:14 That one degree makes a difference when I'm on the ground. Aug 03 23:39:30 oooh yeah Aug 03 23:39:39 you could be swimming Aug 03 23:40:06 one day I was down at the harbor when they brought it a 25' Great White. Aug 03 23:40:28 Brought it in dead? And did what with it? Aug 03 23:41:02 it got caught up and it was dead... Aug 03 23:41:14 dunno where it went...maybe to the taxidermist Aug 03 23:41:41 I *think* that it is hanging in the Natural History museum on the pier. Aug 03 23:43:32 google maps make it easy to see the clear-cuts in the forest. Aug 03 23:46:37 depends on when they were taken. Aug 03 23:48:59 To be sure, the maps are old. Still, there are loads of them on the olympic peninsula. Aug 03 23:49:29 http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=48.198591,-124.415359&spn=0.250445,0.601433&t=h&hl=en Aug 03 23:50:41 with as much rain as that place gets it should grow back toon. Aug 03 23:50:43 er soon. Aug 03 23:51:11 Well, yeah. Trees are weeds in this part of the country. it's the wildlife that suffers most. Aug 03 23:52:12 I hear your parties up there get pretty wild. Aug 03 23:52:38 Yeah. Naked fire dancing. Aug 03 23:52:48 Hot naked fire dancing. Aug 03 23:53:40 * ka6sox takes off his tin foil hat and pads off to bed after checking the kidlet Aug 03 23:53:59 nitey nite Aug 03 23:54:32 nitey nite... Aug 03 23:55:33 beewoolie: It doesn't? Current CVS does atleast - I don't know about the sercomm version Aug 03 23:56:22 Jacmet: Lots of the early arm ports were sloppy. I think that the ixp port hard coded all of the parameters in the kernel instead of depending on the boot loader. Aug 03 23:58:29 beewoolie: As far as I can see it's done correctly in packages/hal/arm/arch/current/src/redboot_linux_exec.c Aug 03 23:58:59 beewoolie: and the BOOT_PARAMS correctly looks at 0x100 - but there's just garbage there :/ Aug 03 23:59:02 Is that the version of the code that shipped on the slug? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 03 23:59:56 2005