**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 05 23:59:56 2005 Aug 06 15:44:16 rwhitby: bing. Aug 06 15:44:41 rwhitby: in case you read this later, I want to update you on the apex and compiler stuff. Aug 06 15:45:06 * dyoung watches intently Aug 06 15:45:47 It looks like 3.4.4 doesn't build APEX properly. I have suspicions as to the cause of the problem. Unfortunately, 3.4.4 also builds significantly larger binaries than 3.4.1. Aug 06 15:45:59 So, even if I fixed the problem, I'm disinclined to support it. Aug 06 15:46:15 I'm going to try the 4.0 series to see if there is an improvement. Aug 06 15:46:28 brave man. Aug 06 15:46:32 So, to make it clear: APEX does not build with gcc-3.4.4 Aug 06 15:46:35 dyoung: hi Aug 06 15:46:40 morning Aug 06 15:46:47 it doesn't take much to try a compiler. Aug 06 15:47:04 What's new dyoung? Aug 06 15:47:08 true, just effort to get it compiled in the frst place. Aug 06 15:47:20 cross-tool makes it easy. Aug 06 15:47:28 I think I may have tried 4.0 and it failed to build. Aug 06 15:47:40 I don't have much patience with it. Aug 06 15:47:53 If cross-tool doesn't work, I don't go any further. Aug 06 15:48:01 Me neither. I've become old, cranky, and grouchy Aug 06 15:48:22 I like to think of it as specialization. Aug 06 16:04:27 hmm, maybe so. Aug 06 16:05:39 at least now I know I wasnt hallucinating when apex didnt build/work right for me using the OE compiler. Aug 06 16:07:54 think they changed the default options for > 3.4.1 ? Aug 06 16:08:21 * dyoung dunnos Aug 06 16:10:49 jacques: Huh? Aug 06 16:11:10 I used cross-tool to build my 3.4.4 compiler. I don't think this is an OE issue. Aug 06 16:11:54 I'd be suspicious of APEX particularly, except that all of the fancy assembler is executed before the initial program prompt. Aug 06 16:12:03 After you see apex>, it's all simple C code. Aug 06 16:12:15 Still, I may need to look at this more closely. Aug 06 16:12:17 I meant I wonder why it's generating larger binaries - it almost sounds like they changed some compile option Aug 06 16:12:30 It is interesting to note that cross-tool doesn't support 3.4.4 for arm. Aug 06 16:12:37 I wouldn't expect this within a series (gcc 3.4.x) Aug 06 16:12:44 Who is 'they'? Aug 06 16:12:48 beewoolie-afk, ah that *is* interesting Aug 06 16:12:59 they == gcc devs Aug 06 16:13:10 Well, the compiler changes every release. Aug 06 16:13:34 I have seen some interesting changes to the code stream from the 3.4.4 compiler. I expected the binaries to be smaller. Aug 06 16:13:44 hmm Aug 06 16:14:52 http://kegel.com/crosstool/crosstool-0.38/buildlogs/ Aug 06 16:15:43 not sure what to make of it - three entries for gcc-3.4.4 Aug 06 16:15:43 cgcc-3.4.4 Aug 06 16:15:43 glibc-2.3.5 Aug 06 16:15:43 binutils-2.15 Aug 06 16:15:43 linux-2.6.8 Aug 06 16:15:47 hdrs-2.6.11.2 Aug 06 16:15:56 armv5b-softfloat Aug 06 16:16:48 BIAB Aug 06 16:17:56 jacques: It isn't in the demo-arm.sh script which I have taken to mean that it doesn't work for some reason. Perhaps that's a mistaken conclusion. Aug 06 16:39:53 beewoolie-afk: thx for the update - dyoung and jacques are the experts on compile toolchains for nslu2-linux, so you're talking to the right people instead of me :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 06 23:59:57 2005