**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 15 07:19:38 2005 Aug 15 11:16:03 <[g2]-away> ep1220, hey! Aug 15 11:16:29 [g2]-away: btw... do you know how I can test the ram on the slug in APEX? Aug 15 11:17:04 <[g2]-away> I'd fill one area and read it back Aug 15 11:17:20 <[g2]-away> I'd probably write a small program and just load it and run it from APEX Aug 15 11:17:28 ah, exactly... Aug 15 11:17:28 <[g2]-away> it really depends on what you are trying to do Aug 15 11:17:45 I'm trying to figure out where (or if) it is my memory that fails Aug 15 11:18:04 <[g2]-away> how much ? Aug 15 11:18:31 segfaults on a regular basis, oopses once in a while Aug 15 11:18:47 <[g2]-away> @ what address Aug 15 11:18:52 no idea Aug 15 11:18:57 <[g2]-away> and did you boot with only 32MB ? Aug 15 11:19:15 <[g2]-away> you can just pass mem=32MB@0x00000000 Aug 15 11:19:17 Yeah, I had the problem before switching to apex as well Aug 15 11:19:43 <[g2]-away> do you get anything on the serial ? Aug 15 11:20:03 everything I normally would get, I'd say Aug 15 11:20:17 <[g2]-away> I mean when it oopses or segfaults :) Aug 15 11:20:26 yeah, I get the oops Aug 15 11:20:43 <[g2]-away> what's the address ? Aug 15 11:21:34 hmm.. dunno.. but I have output from one oops at http://slugbug.nslu2-linux.org/bug.php?op=show&bugid=260&PHPSESSID=58a1ef6bc045adb75043eeb3478f57d9 Aug 15 11:21:47 argh, why'd it include session id? Aug 15 11:23:18 To be sure, I dedeunderclocked it Aug 15 11:23:25 or reunderclocked Aug 15 11:23:27 ;) Aug 15 14:50:42 [g2]-away: Can you figure out anything from the oops? Aug 15 20:13:48 [g2]: You're reasonably familiar with the memory map of the slug.. Is it possible to exclude the entire second half of the memory? Would that exclude one of the mem chips, or are they interleaved? Aug 15 20:14:23 <[g2]> interleaved as in 16-bits from each chip Aug 15 20:15:10 hmm.. so "disabling" one of the chips isn't what one would call easy Aug 15 20:15:28 <[g2]> nope Aug 15 20:16:05 <[g2]> but you could probably do byte/half-word writes on 0-1, 4-5, .... Aug 15 20:16:15 <[g2]> or 2-3, 6-7, .... Aug 15 20:16:22 and see which one is faulty? Aug 15 20:16:33 <[g2]> it might help isolate it Aug 15 20:16:52 Ok. I'll need to enlist the help of some skilled asm programmer though ;) Aug 15 20:17:18 <[g2]> actually, hooking up JTAG would be the best Aug 15 20:17:30 <[g2]> I don't know if you can enable Thumb mode. Aug 15 20:18:27 well, I'm in no way jtag-enabled :( Aug 15 20:19:28 I don't have to recompile apex to change the kernel command line, do I? Aug 15 20:20:36 <[g2]> nope Aug 15 20:20:47 <[g2]> just boot ....... Aug 15 20:21:03 <[g2]> boot root=.... Aug 15 20:21:08 If I can disable say.. 8mb, that might be enough... If the errors are in that part of the memory, that is Aug 15 20:21:33 <[g2]> which 8mb ? Aug 15 20:21:47 the last Aug 15 20:22:05 <[g2]> that's easy mem=56M@0x0... Aug 15 20:22:26 uh, 24M@0x0..., I assume? ;) Aug 15 20:23:17 <[g2]> nod... if is not a fat slug Aug 15 20:23:50 the 0x0... where do I get that from? Aug 15 20:25:41 <[g2]> it's 0x00000000 Aug 15 20:25:48 <[g2]> starting at 0 Aug 15 20:26:03 Memory: 24MB = 24MB total Aug 15 20:26:03 Memory: 22476KB available (1590K code, 150K data, 80K init) Aug 15 20:26:08 <[g2]> :) Aug 15 20:26:20 ok... Let's see if that makes any difference ;) Aug 15 20:27:23 Is it possible to *store* the commandline ? Aug 15 20:28:46 <[g2]> it is but I haven't played with it Aug 15 20:28:59 ok, I'll try to figure it out Aug 15 20:28:59 <[g2]> you can just changed the default cmd line and rebuild/reflash APEX Aug 15 20:29:14 <[g2]> Did you save off a copy of your Redboot Aug 15 20:29:28 *cough* no Aug 15 20:30:01 <[g2]> did you overwrite the second block ? (Block 1) Aug 15 20:30:21 not if I have to do that manually Aug 15 20:30:35 <[g2]> how did you put APEX in there ? Aug 15 20:30:50 <[g2]> dd if=apex of=/dev/mtdblock0 ? Aug 15 20:31:01 I ran apex from redboot, and flashed with the @apex stuff Aug 15 20:31:03 two simple lines Aug 15 20:31:16 $apex maybe it was Aug 15 20:31:36 <[g2]> ok.. I haven't done that Aug 15 20:31:38 So I would assume block 1 isn't erased Aug 15 20:31:54 <[g2]> probably not, but I don't know Aug 15 20:32:15 <[g2]> you can check if it's the same as on all the other nslu2s Aug 15 20:35:31 it would appear that there still is parts of redboot left Aug 15 20:35:32 /home/snowel/work/redboot/packages/devs/eth/intel/npe/v1_0/src/osServices/IxOsBuffPoolMgt.c Aug 15 20:36:00 dd if=mtdblock of=/test ; strings /test Aug 15 20:36:21 <[g2]> well that might be the whole flash Aug 15 20:36:44 512k Aug 15 20:36:57 hmm Aug 15 20:37:04 <[g2]> hmmm.... :) Aug 15 20:37:05 but if I understand apex correctly... Aug 15 20:37:43 I can poweron, stop apex before it boots, erase the two first blocks, then reflash apex Aug 15 20:38:19 <[g2]> I usually just reflash from linux Aug 15 20:38:35 <[g2]> scp image /root/foo.img Aug 15 20:38:50 <[g2]> dd if=foo.img of=/dev/mdtblock0 Aug 15 20:38:54 <[g2]> but ymmv Aug 15 20:38:56 apex> erase nor:0 Aug 15 20:38:57 apex> copy $apex nor:0 Aug 15 20:39:21 <[g2]> that should work, but I havn't done it that way Aug 15 20:39:29 It worked like a charm Aug 15 20:39:37 I'm impressed by the ease of use ;) Aug 15 20:39:38 <[g2]> I keep a copy of Redboot around Aug 15 20:39:51 Well, it's kinda late for that for me now ;) Aug 15 20:39:57 <[g2]> then I just dd if=reboot of=/dev/mtdblock0 Aug 15 20:40:16 <[g2]> actually it may not be Aug 15 20:40:28 <[g2]> you may be able to just overwrite the first 128K Aug 15 20:40:34 <[g2]> which is probably identical for everyone Aug 15 20:40:54 well.. why should I? Aug 15 20:40:56 <[g2]> but you are in a little no-man's land Aug 15 20:41:02 <[g2]> it's up to you Aug 15 20:41:16 <[g2]> you did the copy before ? Aug 15 20:41:30 no, did it just now Aug 15 20:41:37 so I got a mix of apex and redboot :P Aug 15 20:41:59 <[g2]> yeah.. me too it only overwrites the first block Aug 15 20:42:08 <[g2]> but reboot overwrites both Aug 15 20:42:39 hmm Aug 15 20:42:41 odd Aug 15 20:42:59 bzip2 fails in exactly the same way Aug 15 20:43:22 <[g2]> hmm... interesting Aug 15 20:43:34 I'm wondering if that is actually a tar/bzip2 problem Aug 15 20:44:06 <[g2]> what's the md5sum/sha1 on the file ? Aug 15 20:44:15 <[g2]> does it match the servers version ? Aug 15 20:44:21 same as I've got in my downloads dir Aug 15 20:44:27 (which works ok) Aug 15 20:44:36 <[g2]> which tar/bzip2 ? Aug 15 20:44:38 <[g2]> busybox ? Aug 15 20:44:57 no Aug 15 20:45:06 tar and bzip2 ;) Aug 15 20:45:20 <[g2]> talk to the build mgr :) Aug 15 20:45:24 <[g2]> heh Aug 15 20:45:27 :P Aug 15 20:45:39 gonna try repeating it on my stable slug Aug 15 20:45:44 <[g2]> well time for me to get some sleep Aug 15 20:46:08 <[g2]> GL look for me tomorrow if you've got any more questions Aug 15 20:46:42 will do Aug 15 20:48:41 There are some important differences between the environment and aliases. Environment variables are restricted to a list that is defined when APEX is built. New environment variables may not be declared Aug 15 20:48:55 I read that as "you can't change environment variables" Aug 15 20:49:02 but that was wrong ;) Aug 15 20:49:36 <[g2]> heh Aug 15 20:49:43 <[g2]> cheers Aug 15 20:49:46 ;) Aug 15 20:57:13 hmm Aug 15 20:57:18 why doesn't apex like this: setenv cmdline console=ttyS0,115200 root=/dev/mtdblock4 rw rootfstype=jffs2 init=/linuxrc mem=24M@0x00000000 noirqdebug Aug 15 20:57:26 Unrecognized variable or environment Aug 15 21:05:14 maybe you need some quotes Aug 15 21:06:20 Tried that as well :( Aug 15 21:06:36 The example is almost identical Aug 15 22:30:24 test Aug 15 22:30:37 hello Aug 15 22:30:54 I just pinged Tom, but he's not responding to me either Aug 15 22:30:55 Just making sure this works. thanks. Aug 15 22:31:17 I'm his wife...I'm in N. California right now Aug 15 22:31:34 Just ran across this channel and was testing to see if I'm getting out Aug 15 22:31:43 I figured that out Aug 15 22:31:49 hi marina Aug 15 22:31:56 Hi there Aug 15 22:32:05 he had told me that he was bach'ing it this weekend Aug 15 22:32:05 I'm the guy who was with tom at lwe Aug 15 22:32:48 here he comes.... Aug 15 22:32:50 heh, he actually was at LinuxWorld in San Francisco and I came up to meet up with him but he had to go home on an emergency computer crash so I had to do my thing up here without him. Aug 15 22:32:55 His loss :) Aug 15 22:33:09 What did you do to find him? Aug 15 22:33:19 yeah he wasn't happy that he had to go home to fix a down server Aug 15 22:33:32 ByronT-Away: Are you the one who lives in Alabama? Aug 15 22:33:40 yes, that's me Aug 15 22:33:52 Ah coool. Thanks for your Albania support! Aug 15 22:34:07 you're welcome Aug 15 22:34:11 I'm still meaning to send out a letter with a report of the trip. Have been swamped since our return. Aug 15 22:34:42 Well I got to see my brother and grandmother this weekend. Will be home Wed. night. I'm sure he will be entertained with "geek stuff" :) Aug 15 22:35:04 I'm sure you guys keep him quite busy. Now if he will just remember to work... Aug 15 22:35:04 hehe Aug 15 22:35:23 I found this channel on a list on my grandmother's computer Aug 15 22:35:25 that's a four letter word around here.... Aug 15 22:35:26 You're going away, you say? Then he'll have no excuse :D Aug 15 22:35:56 I am away :) Aug 15 22:36:13 He can geek out all he wants till i get home ;) He even has a vacation from his son Aug 15 22:36:20 nice Aug 15 22:36:25 We'll keep him busy ;) Aug 15 22:36:27 For who :) Aug 15 22:36:33 Welcome Aug 15 22:36:35 marina? Aug 15 22:36:35 For us ;-) Aug 15 22:36:43 hi Marina! Aug 15 22:36:51 I see you have met NAiLzZz Aug 15 22:36:51 I've become acquainted with all your friends you were trying to hide from me Aug 15 22:36:52 hey! go away Aug 15 22:37:01 we're having fun chatting with your wife Aug 15 22:37:04 yes Aug 15 22:37:06 NAiL, is in Norway Aug 15 22:37:08 * NAiL is from Norway, btw ;) Aug 15 22:37:09 heh Aug 15 22:37:21 Abut you Aug 15 22:37:22 he he Aug 15 22:37:37 ByronT, time for bed!... Aug 15 22:37:37 And who's the Brit? Aug 15 22:37:39 j/k Aug 15 22:37:45 brit? Aug 15 22:37:47 Tiersten Aug 15 22:37:53 innit? Aug 15 22:37:56 ya Aug 15 22:38:05 yeah, it is... I just finished up making another serial cable, and testing it Aug 15 22:38:30 hi marina Aug 15 22:38:32 Gotta go... Going to learn how to drive (as if I didn't already know) Aug 15 22:38:36 Tom, I have a couple questions for you. We can go off channel Aug 15 22:38:38 Hi there Aug 15 22:38:45 marina, it was nice to chat with you, you're more than welcome to come visit us anytime (even if Tom says you can't) Aug 15 22:38:57 * NAiL agrees with ByronT Aug 15 22:38:58 ha! Aug 15 22:39:02 HA. Thanks! Aug 15 22:39:15 <- is heading to bed.... Aug 15 22:39:16 marina, sorry for giving Tom an excuse to do even more geek stuff than he would normally :-) Aug 15 22:39:18 I always find his channels. He never hides them well enough :) Aug 15 22:39:35 rwhitby-web, is the project leader. Aug 15 22:39:37 Goodnight, ByronT Aug 15 22:39:39 he's in Oz Aug 15 22:39:55 goodnight to you too, marina Aug 15 22:39:58 Ah cool Aug 15 22:40:00 * ByronT is away -( zzZZZzz )- at 12:35a -( P:On / L:Off )- Aug 15 22:40:04 he's a wizard as well ;) Aug 15 22:40:05 I want to go to Australia someday Aug 15 22:40:11 BTW, make sure you keep all that cash that I keep PayPal'ing you - Tom doesn't deserve to get his hands on it :-) Aug 15 22:40:38 Boy that's for sure!! Aug 15 22:40:47 or forward it to a starving student in cold Norway :-P Aug 15 22:41:04 I just noticed you are making deposits into the account. Problem is, it's always linked to something on the credit card I have to worm out of Tomm ;) Aug 15 22:41:17 (who just had a lovely breakfast with newly baked bread and stuff) Aug 15 22:41:18 worm! I told you straight away! Aug 15 22:41:30 I'll put the money in my Tahiti fund if it's not linked to some electronic purchas. Send any time! Aug 15 22:41:44 NOT Aug 15 22:42:04 We are now about to have a cyber-fight. Anyone care to make bets? :) Aug 15 22:42:16 my bets are on marina Aug 15 22:42:22 My money's on marina too Aug 15 22:42:22 ya..me too. Aug 15 22:42:38 I'm the responsible one in the family :) Aug 15 22:42:41 Tom's the engineer Aug 15 22:42:47 rofl Aug 15 22:42:56 ow ow owwww Aug 15 22:42:56 the two are contradictory ... Aug 15 22:42:58 ugh, I've gotta go.. now that the fun is starting ;) Aug 15 22:43:05 Oops, I'd better be nice so the money will keep coming :) Aug 15 22:43:07 enjoy driving. Aug 15 22:43:17 I will Aug 15 22:43:20 Don't go Aug 15 22:43:23 (try to avoid pedestrians) Aug 15 22:43:37 You'll get more points if you nail pedestrians Aug 15 22:43:41 "if you don't like the way NAiL drives...stay off the sidewalk" Aug 15 22:43:42 hahaha Aug 15 22:44:00 What country are you from NAiL Aug 15 22:44:04 Norway Aug 15 22:44:10 still in Norway Aug 15 22:44:11 Ah very nice Aug 15 22:44:14 Trondheim Aug 15 22:44:18 I told you that. Aug 15 22:44:24 when we flew over it. Aug 15 22:44:34 We were in Kopenhavn recently Aug 15 22:44:48 ka6sox: you're still thinking that marina listens to anything you say .... ;-) Aug 15 22:45:00 um....guess not. Aug 15 22:45:06 Not after last night ;) Aug 15 22:45:18 oooh, sordid details? Aug 15 22:45:19 too much information .... Aug 15 22:45:31 We mystery shop and he "swore" he filled out an online form but I never saw it :) Aug 15 22:45:37 Ugh, gotta be in the city in 10 :( Aug 15 22:45:55 bye folks Aug 15 22:45:55 Have a good day! Aug 15 22:46:00 you too Aug 15 22:46:05 bye NAiL Aug 15 22:47:53 Still there Tom?\ Aug 15 22:48:06 Oh oh, I scared him off Aug 15 22:48:54 yep Aug 15 22:49:11 marina: A big thanks from the project on supporting Tom and allowing him to help us out :-) Aug 15 22:49:13 bye NAiL Aug 15 22:49:33 No problem Aug 15 22:50:02 I hope your spending is weekly project salary wisely .... Aug 15 22:50:14 ... spending his .... Aug 15 22:50:15 He seems to be learning a lot and even getting some paid work from it too Aug 15 22:50:24 ha Aug 15 22:50:44 Just tell me which deposits in Paypal are salary and I will happily spend it :0 Aug 15 22:50:49 ...usualy on bills... Aug 15 22:51:00 Tahiti Fund is what she calls it. Aug 15 22:51:26 I'll probably never get to Tahiti but maybe australia someday Aug 15 22:51:33 No, he specifically asked that his salary be paid into a different paypal account .... toms_slush_fund@hide_it_from_marina.org Aug 15 22:51:35 * ka6sox would like that. Aug 15 22:52:44 Ah, not a secret anymore. thanks for the URL Aug 15 22:53:58 All I have to do is go into his office and count computers and I'll know more money came in ;) Aug 15 22:54:26 don't look under the counter Aug 15 22:54:35 oops...gave it away Aug 15 22:54:47 I'll see what's stored in the oven ; Aug 15 22:55:23 Rod is the one who rides herd on this bunch.... Aug 15 22:56:33 I see Aug 15 22:57:50 well, it's like herding cats .... Aug 15 22:59:19 most of the time they go in the same direction..or at least some sembilance Aug 15 23:00:13 oops - that's my home machine Aug 15 23:00:50 ah, thought you had a clone Aug 15 23:00:50 oops Aug 15 23:03:25 he's baaaaack Aug 15 23:03:28 miau dropped out for some reason ... Aug 15 23:03:34 hmmm. Aug 15 23:03:45 right at my rotate-logs time ... Aug 15 23:03:53 ah. Aug 15 23:07:09 we should show marina the pictures of Slug Central. Aug 15 23:07:36 Oh boy... Aug 15 23:07:55 now If I can just remmeber the URL. Aug 15 23:07:57 I see a lot of penguins Aug 15 23:09:05 http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/slug-central Aug 15 23:11:28 contrast that with this: http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/gastronomic Aug 15 23:11:37 there's a webcam on the right hand side now too :-) Aug 15 23:11:54 Are those your products? Aug 15 23:12:14 yeah..his babies (well..the electronic kind) Aug 15 23:13:04 heh\ Aug 15 23:13:05 http://www.rwhitby.net/elise.html <- my other baby :-) Aug 15 23:14:43 that ones cuter. Aug 15 23:15:58 Cute baby Aug 15 23:16:18 Toom i tought you'd say the electronic one was better Aug 15 23:17:14 Tom, aren't you happy you left this channel on Nonna's irc list? That's how I fiound you Aug 15 23:17:32 ya...I thought so. Aug 15 23:17:41 I was warned by the gang that you were here. Aug 15 23:18:37 hi odoc Aug 15 23:18:58 hi Aug 15 23:19:07 * rwhitby-web is still trying to get his head around ka6sox's mum (or mum-in-law) having an IRC list ... Aug 15 23:19:13 Warned huh Aug 15 23:19:37 well, we told him his mistress was here, and he came right over ... Aug 15 23:19:37 No, 89 year old GRANDMOTHER Aug 15 23:20:01 And what was he doing before he camme over?? Aug 15 23:20:11 He obviously wasn't with said mistress ;) Aug 15 23:20:19 talking to his other mistress on another channel :-) Aug 15 23:20:26 nope...I was um...um.... Aug 15 23:20:34 watching TV Aug 15 23:20:45 the PGA tournament highlights. Aug 15 23:21:04 We have no TV Aug 15 23:21:24 he never said he was at the house :-) Aug 15 23:21:24 San Diego is coming in tonight. Aug 15 23:22:07 Hmmm Aug 15 23:22:16 I think he's at home. He's been using my computer Aug 15 23:23:07 I *have* to be here...because I printed from your computer..and I havent' got the slug remote printing yet. Aug 15 23:25:21 aha Aug 15 23:25:36 Tom slug remote prints from mistress's house in Albania Aug 15 23:25:43 Pretends to be home Aug 15 23:26:32 Well Tom, I must go to bed Aug 15 23:28:29 night marina Aug 15 23:28:41 thanks for dropping by :-) Aug 15 23:28:43 It's great meeting you. Aug 15 23:28:44 nite Marina Aug 15 23:28:52 see Marina..they do exist Aug 15 23:29:14 no, we're a figment of Tom's imagination .... Aug 15 23:29:26 I knew rwhitby-away did because I keep seeing deposits to the paypal account. Keep'em coming even if you don't buy anything :) Aug 15 23:29:27 Got a birth announcement for Andrew....and a picture....He's a King...thats for sure Aug 15 23:29:35 heh Aug 15 23:29:45 What color hair Aug 15 23:30:40 Night Tom and everyone Aug 15 23:30:52 not much hair..pretty fuzzy Aug 15 23:30:58 but maybe brown. Aug 16 00:51:35 * NAiL didn't hit anything Aug 16 00:52:11 woo hoo.... Aug 16 00:52:22 guess the sidewalks are safe now. Aug 16 00:52:43 once again ;) Aug 16 00:53:20 neet Aug 16 00:53:33 my badslug has oopsed while I was out driving Aug 16 00:53:40 it's not exactly loaded with services Aug 16 00:53:51 ah. Aug 16 00:57:22 Now, if I could just disable one of the mem chips... Aug 16 00:58:11 Oh well... I've sent a mail to a tv repair shop that has soldered for me before.. See what they want for the job of replacing them Aug 16 00:58:26 I think I've got some working chips somewhere Aug 16 00:59:05 That is, if it is the memory that is failing, of course Aug 16 01:01:04 Anyone know where beewoolie is, btw? Aug 16 01:03:28 i haven't seen him in what seems like a long time Aug 16 01:03:53 ~seen beewoolie Aug 16 01:03:53 jacques: i haven't seen 'beewoolie' Aug 16 01:03:53 beewoolie <~beewoolie@florence.buici.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openjtag, 12d 12m 17s ago, saying: 'rwhitby-treo: yo. I'm building a new toolchain.'. Aug 16 01:03:55 According to jbot, 12 days Aug 16 01:11:17 oh, gotta dig apex. My slug boots so fast I hardly notice it ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 16 02:59:56 2005